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May 24, 2013

Gun Fight Friday: Battle of the Lever Actions

By Phil Bourjaily

Two American icons square off in this week’s Gunfight Friday: Dave Hurteau’s Winchester Model 94 vs. T. Edward Nickens’s Marlin 336. Both are chambered for the classic (or “obsolete,” depending on how you see these things) .30-30 Winchester, so caliber isn’t at issue here—just this: Which of these two great lever actions do you prefer?

The 94, invented by John Browning, is perhaps the most instantly recognizable and famous deer rifle of all time. If the recognition factor and “millions sold” are the sole criteria, it wins here in a walk.

However, although the 336 debuted in 1948, you could argue that it is really a Marlin 1893 3.0 and every bit as venerable as the Model 94. The Marlin is a side-ejecting design that makes it a much simpler rifle to scope than the top-ejecting 94. Newer models, like Eddie’s, come in rust-resistant stainless steel.

Dave Hurteau’s Pre-64 Model 94

I’m sure I don’t have to pull out all that stuff about the 94’s reputation as the American deer rifle and all the millions sold and the “taken-more-deer-than-any-other-rifle-in-history” bit. While I do like the 336 (I owned one in .35 Rem for many years), the 94 is the far lovelier gun, and there's none nimbler in the deer woods. Where the Winchester is waifish and graceful and leaps to your shoulder, the Marlin is, well, what my Aunt would call a "sturdy looking girl." She ain't bad-looking, as I've said before, but she has man hands. Yes, the 336 takes a scope easily, but I'm okay with the fact that my pre-64 was designed for iron sights (with none of the apologies that came later) for men who stalk close.

But you can forget all that. Because today's fight, alas, comes down to one glaring, gaudy, avert-your-eyes thing: Stainless steel.

Now, I don't want to be accused of hitting too fat a pitch here, so I'm just going to say this last thing and leave it at that: A classic lever is for killing deer while basking in an aura of old-timey mystique. And stainless steel, much as it pains me to say so, naturally repels old-timey mystique. There. --DH

Eddie Nickens’s Marlin 336

This is a go-anywhere gun. At a hair over 38 inches, I can toss it in a canoe, strap it to a pop-up blind, and shoulder the whole rig and thread it through greenbrier vines. Nothing beats it for treestand portability—not to mention pointability. It’s no beanfield rifle, but I don’t take it to beanfields. I hunt it in some pretty thick country. The glass is Bushnell’s Elite 3200 with the Firefly reticle. That scope seems to suck every available photon out of the twilight air, and I very much appreciate the fat crosshair posts—very handy in the thick Southern swamps I often hunt.

As far as Hurteau’s Model 94—length, weight, calibers are all pretty similar. One major difference: The Marlin is hundreds of dollars cheaper, and no less reliable. And another: I don’t like a straight-grip stock. But that’s just me, and I’m always right. --TEN
 
While I am glad to give Hurteau another chance to compete after the drubbing I gave him in last week’s 20-gauge turkey gun matchup, Gunfight Friday is not supposed to be about our guns—it’s supposed to belong to your guns. We have gotten a few photo submissions but would love more. Send a brief paragraph and a profile picture of your gun against a plain background (couches, tabletops, and beds all count as “plain”) to FSGunNuts@gmail.com.

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from Roderick K. Purcell wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I've got one of each. My heart says Winchester but my head voted Marlin. I'm addicted to a low power scope and favor the side eject. But I may change my mind and vote again later...

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

If it weren't for the stainless steel, I think the Marlin would definitely be the more attractive gun with its pistol grip, fine wood, and genuine checkering. I'm sorry, but I find Dave's gun to be the real "plain jane" in this case. I also don't like straight grip stocks. Besides being more acceptable for scopes, the Marlin levers are, as they have always been advertised, "dry as a duck's back" and that is a worthwhile attribute, especially for guys like me who prefer tracking in snow. The snow usually is not all on the ground and much of it falls off the trees/brush onto me and my gun. A Model 94, or any of Browning's lever action designs for that matter, would get full of water or ice in those conditions. Not good.

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from Blackdog1100 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The grip, the scope, the side ejection and the price...too much to overcome.

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from RJ Arena wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Call me crazy, but I shoot my marlin left-handed and love the way it ejects to the right in to the open side pocket in my vest,(not my original plan, but it works well) no need to pick up the empty's on the ground. I had many years ago a Winchester 94 30-30, it just did not feel right, so I stayed away from Lever-action for many years, now I can't shoot enough with my Marlin. I made a few changes, a big loop lever and a Skinner sight, it is now my favorite gun!!!!

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from Gtbigsky wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The 336 get my vote. As stated above the pistol grip and side ejection override historical significance.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I'm partial because I cut my whitetail teeth with a Winchester 94 Trapper. It was a deer killer in the thick, NC swamps and pine woods. I would hesitate to go 100 yards or more with it, but that's not what it was made for. The old girl is in semi-retirement now, as several years of bouncing around behind the seat of my pickup have finally knocked the sights loose. I'll get them replaced, eventually, and look forward to carrying her in the cedars and mesquite of the Texas Hill Country.

By the way, with a traditional lever gun in a short-range caliber like 30-30, I'm iron sights or nothing, so the ability to scope the 336 means nothing to me.

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from AJMcClure wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Our Win 94 has groves cut for a scope, but Winchester cut them poorly and as a result the scope base has to have a shim in it, and has had some accuracy issues likely related to the scope, but inability to cut parallel lines is a problem, while the Marlin 1895 I have which is similar to the 336 is also poorly finished with razor sharp edges that have to be filed off. With that said the 94 has a smoother action, but a stainless marlin is an all round wonderful tool, and a gem that is without a scope, once you put a scope on it you might as well hunt with a Tikka in 7mm Rem mag. Practice with your lever action staying on target as you lever another round in and you'll never miss your bolt action. Cheers.

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from idahoguy101 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The story doesn't mention prices. I prefer my Savage 99 to either but YMMV...

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from James Kelt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a Winchester model 94 chambered in 32 Winchester special. I have to say its one of my favorite deer rifles especially when shooting ballistic tip rounds. As far as the top eject, I have a side mounted Leupold scope which gives me the option of iron or optic sights. Iron when still hunting optics when in the stand!

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from James Kelt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a Winchester model 94 chambered in 32 Winchester special. I have to say its one of my favorite deer rifles especially when shooting ballistic tip rounds. As far as the top eject, I have a side mounted Leupold scope which gives me the option of iron or optic sights. Iron when still hunting optics when in the stand!

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from Proverbs wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I've got both of these....in more than one caliber. Both are lovely to look at, lovely to hold. But work the actions, and the Marlins are slicker.

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from jjas wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

While the Winchester my be "prettier", I'll take the "chunkier" Marlin.....

The Marlin is built like a tank and easier to mount optics on (and my aging eyes tell me I need optics)......

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from Recoil Rob wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a quite a few of each. You need to have a reason to collect things and so I have two 94's from my birth year, 1955, and two 336's from 1955. One of each is stock, mint and the other of each is 98%, the 94 wears a period Leupold Detacho Mount Scout scope set up and the Marlin wears a period Kollmorgan 2.5X. All 4 are 30-30's

I also have a Model 64 Deluxe in .32 Win. and a 1980 Marlin in .35 Rem. w/ shortened barrel and scout scope setup.

Finally, just about 3 hours ago the UPS man came by with a 1950 336 in .35 Rem.

94's with iron sights just carry better but they are noisy to jack a round into the chamber. Marlins , though a bit sturdier, are smoother, easier to clean (the bolt comes out easily facilitating cleaning from the breech) and Marlins come in .35 Rem. That's my choice.

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from FirstBubba wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

When the Winchester and Marlin came out, the Winchester could be had for a month's wage for a cowboy, about $15!
The Marlin was a bit more expensive, $20 to $25. Therefore the Winchester outsold Marlin!
I cut my teeth and took my first whitetail with my grandfather's Marlin 336Rc.it now sits in my closet.
I just HAD to vote Marlin!

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from Happy Myles wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

As a young boy, I listened to debates regarding the merits of the Winchester versus the Marlin, knowing I could not afford either one. A family friend, a retired merchant marine captain, gave me an old, second hand Savage Model 99 in 30-30 caliber. I was a bit chagrined, but hid my disappointment, as I sort of wished it was a Winchester 94. Sixty five years later, I realize how lucky I was to get the 99. These are all benchmark rifles.

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from jhjimbo wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

My Winchester 30-30 was mfg. 1958, my Marlin 336 is from the 1990's. I have also had Marlins in .450Marlin and .444.
My vote went to the Winchester. Probably because i started hunting with it although i did occasionally borrow my Uncles .35Marlin. I could move through areas with the Winchester'94 so thick sometimes all you saw were legs. Never had a problem with snow or rain although i have had a bunch of snow fall down my neck more than once. Fast pointing, smooth action and accurate, When given a choice, I will favor the Winchester Model '94 .

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from CCMJS wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have one of each and love them both.

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from JPMNTMAN wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a winchester and the model I have allows for a top mounted scope and ejects at an angle. As for looks have to go with the Winchester all the way\

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from bscrandall wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Each gun is dependable. There's no question about that. But for me, I've always loved the 336.

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from elmer f. wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Stainless or not, I will take a Marlin (a REAL Marlin, not a Rem-lin) over a Winchester 94 any and every day. I like the look & feel of the Marlin better, it is MUCH easier to disassemble and clean, and the action works smoother. with just a little work, the trigger can be made every bit as nice as a bolt action gun (ok, more than a little work). i have no idea how many rounds have been thru my Marlin (my brother has the Winchester), but time and wear has done her no harm. years ago, a scope was not an issue, but it is now. and the Marlin definitely has the nod there. I have no problem with anyone owning any gun. and the Win 94 is no exception. it's just not my cup of tea.

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from LeadHead wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I gotta say Hurteau did a sorry job defending his "far prettier" gun (prettier in his eyes, maybe). His comment about not liking the stainless steel has got to be the most non-relevant, weak argument as to why the Winchester is better than the Marlin. If he indeed "owned a 336 in .35 Rem for many years", you would think he would realize that there have been far more specimens of the 336 produced in blue steel rather than stainless. And even if that were not the case, are you telling me that he's going to argue that the Winchester is a better gun because in his mind it's prettier? Really? How compelling! Makes me wanna run right out and buy 2 of 'em, NOT.
Oh, and as to his comment about the '94 being "graceful" and "waifish", what guy wants a "waifish" gun when he's out in the woods? What he's admitting without coming right out and saying it is that the Marlin is built a lot tougher. And it truly is. The whole gun (except some of the minor action parts) is (and always has been) built from drop-forged steel and it's built to take a beating. The pre-'64 Winchester was built pretty well, but after 1964 they began stamping a lot of their parts to "cheap-out" and reduce costs, and it came back to bite them in the rear. I like a gun that's designed for "man's hands", considering the fact I am in fact a man.

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from bastranger wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I bought my 336C used in 1970. The walnut stock is one of the prettiest pieces of wood I've seen in my 70 years. Mounted a 2.5X Weaver on a Weaver tilt-off mount. I've never looked back. It has taken every deer I've killed and although I've never actually tilted the scope off in the field, I'm satisfied with it. I prefer the looks of the pistol grip over the straight stock and yes, price was an issue when I bought it. I'd love to also own the 94 for purely sentimental reasons, but it'd likely never get carried afield.

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from Scott Faille Jr. wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

My number one go to rifle is a Marlin 336 chambered in .444. A low powered scope like 1.5x power to -3.5x power and Hornady Lever Revolution ammo make it perfect for here in the north east. It is heck of a brush gun and still will get the job done out to 150 yards.

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from Red Angus wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I went with the Marlin, because, as stated above, it is built heavier, and I much prefer the side eject. While I don't own either, I have handled both models and prefer the Marlin.

Suggestion for an upcoming gunfight, how about hunting handguns? Whether it would be revolver's, break-action, or semi-auto's doesn't matter specifically. I just think it would be a neat subject to try in one of the upcoming Fridays.

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from Tepcro wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a model 94 that my grandpa handed down and now to me.
That 30-30 is a fine firearm and is perfect for a saddle gun, and it is also good in tight brush.
I have other firearms for long flat shots, but this gun is a gun for it's own purposes.(ranching, hunting in close brush and thick trees.)
A 30-30 is really about a 100-200 yard gun. So WHY do I need a scope? The scope messes it up for a saddle gun and I can shoot through iron sights up to 200 yards faster and easier.
If I need light gathering so that I can see the animal I am shooting... well maybe I should wait for light.
If I were in a tree stand, I wouldn't be needing a scope....
I could go on but will refrain.
The Winchester model 94 is a great cowboy/saddle gun.
In defence of the Marlin, the stainless would be more durable in the saddle on a rainy day.
BUT, it's still a Marlin. Nuff said!

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I hate stainless steel so it was a no brainer. If the gun had been blued I would have chosen the 336. I had one with a gold trigger a long time ago and used no scope, you really don't need one for 50 yard shots and I was used to shooting .22's with iron sights.

I love the Winchester 94 but the stupid button under the lever that acts as a safety drives me crazy. I hold my guns very gently and having to squeeze the lever while I shoot is a recipe for a quick miss...

I can deal with the lever better than the stupid shiny gun. Hell if I can see it from 100 yards the deer can see it from 1,000.....

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

idahoguy,
I like my Savage 99 better, too. But we wanted to go with the classic matchup. As for price, it's true that a new 94 is insanely more expensive (around $1,300) than a new 336C ($500-600), but I got mine for about $450 used, and there are lots of old, reasonably priced 94s out there.

Leadhead,
Now, now. Don't get all worked up. Of course my old 336 in .35 Rem was blued; I wouldn't dream of owning a stainless lever. You see, I'm not making an argument for the 94 over the 336. I'm making an argument for my 94 over Eddie's 336, which is stainless.

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from RandyMI wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

OK, Mr. Nickens…. Of the Winchester or Marlin choice, I choose Marlin. However, there is a better(IMHO)option…. You can’t touch this! Savage M-99 Brushgun. And don’t worry about the straight grip. This grip is a handful!
The grooved forend also gives full & fast control. Lots of punch, too, with the obsolete but available .358 Winchester cartridge.

If I do want a regular, curved pistol grip I’ll just use the .308 Win. sister to this M-99. Same setup with the tip-off scope that I prefer. If one really wants only a .30-30 they are also available though much older iron.

Regards & best wishes,
RandyMI

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from Blue Ox wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Marlin 336, hands down.
I have one in .32 special, with plenty of deer and a few hogs under its belt.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I bought my 30-30 94 for $200. There are millions of them out there... I like the small grip and fore end. I almost bought one in .44 mag 30 years ago as my primary deer rifle. Got a 30-06 instead. Armslist has a 94 in .44 mag like new, less than 40 rounds fired $650 right now.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

After 40+ years of using and carrying one, I have to vote for the '94. More LH friendly, easier to manage out of a pickup truck or a saddle scabbard, and who needs a scope when you have a Lyman tang sight?

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from smokey0347 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have several Marlins in my collection. My first Marlin was a 39 Golden .22 that I wish I still had. Still have 2 Model 60's that my grandsons use for squirrels. Also have an 1894 in .357 for Cowboy Action Shooting (and hunting), an 1895 in .45-70 and an old 336 in .375 Winchester Big Bore. Had a Winchester 94 on .30 - .30. Sold it about a week later. Didn't like the way it fit me, the way it shot r nothing about that gun. Give me a Marlin any day.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I like the look of a Winchester better, but the one I had never shot any bullet over 110 grains well, and altho it made a nice groundhog gun with 110 gr Speer varminters it was useless for deer, barely hitting a pie plate at 100 yds W/ 150 gr bullets. the lighter bullets cloverleafed at the same yardage!

I now have a Marlin and it likes 180 gr bullets, giving a respectable sub 1 inch group at 100 yds with Remington corelocks.

So I had to vote for the Marlin for functionality over aesthetics.

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from deadeyedick wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I voted for the 94 There is just something special about the look and feel of a 94 winchester. The gun was never really designed for scope use and putting a scope on it seems to detract from the clean lines of the rifle itself. Of couse I am talking about the older version not the junk winchester turned out after 1964.

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from shane wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I'll try not to let my .32 Special and .35 Remington chamberings pull my bias too much. Say they were both .30-30s...everything in me wants to say 94 is "cooler", and it is, but the .336 is technically better. It's more accurate, it's a stronger action, yet it's still no slouch in the looks or handling departments. I guess it wins.

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

One other thing that you didn't mention is that the 336 doesn't rattle as much or in other words the action is tighter.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

The Marlin, but not in stainless. I've had both but I only really had the marlin (30-30) because I bought it from a cash-strapped brother-in-law and sold it back to him 8 years later. My 94 is in 25/35 which is a sweet little gun, though not a thumper by any means. The marlin is much sturdier and as Sarge said, it didn't rattle at all. If I was looking for another lever-gun, it would be a Marlin in .35 remington. My father has about a thousand rounds of that cal.that he will never use.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I have one of each. The Marlin is a better fitting rifle and the action is much smoother.

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from Jay Jensen wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Both guns are great but the 94 is a classic american rifle.

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from Tmmytomato wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Was looking for a 30-30 for my daughter in Missouri and after talking with hunters familiar with shooting in heavy brush and after handling both the Marlin and Winchester and working the actions I readily chose the Marlin. She killed her first deer the first season with a single shot and was pleased as could be - as was I. The Marlin has much smoother and quieter action and is a very well built rifle.

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from nc30-06 wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I bought my Marlin 336C for my dad's birthday and Christmas present when I was 16. I got tired of him having to borrow a rifle to go deer hunting every year. I gave it to him early so he could use it that year. Good thing I did. He passed away the following May. Now it is mine and I will own it till I die. Wonderful rifle. Mine is blue with the old style real nice walnut stocks.

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from Neil J. Selbicky wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I'll vote for the 94 in 30-30. That is what I started out with. Just right for a 12 year old in the chaparral and oak hills of central California. With a rifle sling and iron sights it was light, rugged and easy to carry. This was a rifle to teach a young deer hunter how to shoot safe and straight.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

SAVAGE 99EG .308

Enough said! !

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from PbHead wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Gee Phil, this one was like having an answer to your loving, passionate, brunette haired wife when she comes home as a blonde and you are asked which you prefer.

To All: Have a great Memorial Day

PS Marlin for me.

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from Treestand wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

Love the lines on the Win 94 but you just can't the Marlin 336 for dependability with or with-out a scope.

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from focusfront wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

Have both; unlike some posters here, I think these guns are as modern as tomorrow in the woods for deer or pigs. My 336 shoots straighter (bigger bullet, too: .35 cal), but my 94 Trapper w/ red dot shoulders quicker. So it's close. I would pick the 336 here because it is stainless, not in spite of it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

99's are the only centerfire lever guns that I own, so I do not feel qualified and unbiased to vote for either.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

I have owned one of each. My heart said Winchester, and that's the way I voted. I also like that wide hammer spur.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

I'll take the Winchester every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The 1894 is simply more agile and more carry-friendly. Sure, you can mount a scope on the Marlins (and the 1894 angle-ejects) but that isn't what a lever gun is about. At least in my reckoning, a lever-gun is for quick work at close range. A short LOP, short barrels and a straight stock are the ticket for that role. Not to mention that the 1894 is more truck and horse friendly. I'd prefer a Trapper model with a ghost ring and no cross-bolt safety, but Hurteau's classic would work splendidly.

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from jhjimbo wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

Nothing handles like a Model 1894 Winchester, nothing.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

"94, got to stick to the reasons these levers were built.Up close big game. If you want a scope get a bolt action. the "94" is American history.Don't change a thing! Even the Lord wouldn't recognize Moses without a beard.

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from mncowboy wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

I have 1 of each plus a Henry and a mossberg 464. I would prefer the Henry shoots more accurate, more heft and it looks so much more (special). I like the Marlin for all the reasons everyone else mentioned, side ejection, scope and little more accurate. Least favorite is Mossberg. But if I could have only 1 it would be the Winchester hands down, no logical reason other then I Love the Winchester and all the Hoopla that goes with it. Besides the Henry is just to nice lookin of a gun to trapes thru the woods and snow with.

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from AZsparrow wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

I've always preferred the Marlin 336's, own several, but have no issues with the Winchester '94 either really. I might add I do prefer the somewhat older rifles, not really a fan of the stainless versions, and love the rifle in the ".35 Rem" caliber over the .30-30. I also never put a scope on any of my Marlins either, seems non-traditional sacrilege somehow to me, ha!

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from ram49651 wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

Petal was wrong,anyone who has to scope a 30-30 is a "primitive life form".Anyone shooting over 100 yds.w/ a 30-30 needs to have there head examined. If you really think you need a scope try an optometrist first. My first deer rifle when I turned 14 in Up North Mich. was a 94 manf. in 1932 handed down to me by one of my great uncles. Used it until 1984 when I bought into the scoped 30-30 craze,where I bought a 336 and had it scoped at a local gun shop. The owner had retired from U.S.A.F. After 20 years as master armorer. It did not shoot any straiter than the 94. Sold it in 1992 and bought my first 30-06. Thank God I got smart. Of all the lever guns I have owned the most accurate is still my fathers mod.99 in 303 savage. Rested on a bench w/ iron sights it can darn near bring in 1 M.O.A. Guess they just knew how to build em in 1917. Have had a couple of other 94's but they were newer and not to the spec. of the older mods. If this lopsided contest is about practicality and modern conveniences than the 336 wins hands down but if you want to know how it was in the "old days" when one shot might cost two days pay then you cannot use anything but a 94. My vote , Winchester

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 15 hours ago

Actually this contest is about choosing an old 94 against a scoped, stainless steel 336 which seems to have escaped just about everyone. Is it bad that I wish it was Friday night again so we could have two more contenders? Bad for me, good for the website!

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from Matthew Clark wrote 1 week 6 days ago

I don't know why everyone is arguing about which one of these is better, everyone knows the best lever gun ever made is a Savage 99.....at least I think so. ;)

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from Bryan Hemmerle wrote 1 week 6 days ago

although my scoped camo 336 with see through mounts has it all over my open sight Winchester NRA centennial rifle on paper, I can shoot the 94 better even though it isn't scoped. I don't know why....it just shoots better. I hunted with nothing but that 94 from 12-20 when I bought an A-bolt. But i'm glad I have both and would rather hunt any day with either than go to work!

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from ram49651 wrote 1 week 4 days ago

Mr. Petal,my sincerest appologies for misspelling your name. The rest I stand by.

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from Blackdog1100 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The grip, the scope, the side ejection and the price...too much to overcome.

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from FirstBubba wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

When the Winchester and Marlin came out, the Winchester could be had for a month's wage for a cowboy, about $15!
The Marlin was a bit more expensive, $20 to $25. Therefore the Winchester outsold Marlin!
I cut my teeth and took my first whitetail with my grandfather's Marlin 336Rc.it now sits in my closet.
I just HAD to vote Marlin!

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from Happy Myles wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

As a young boy, I listened to debates regarding the merits of the Winchester versus the Marlin, knowing I could not afford either one. A family friend, a retired merchant marine captain, gave me an old, second hand Savage Model 99 in 30-30 caliber. I was a bit chagrined, but hid my disappointment, as I sort of wished it was a Winchester 94. Sixty five years later, I realize how lucky I was to get the 99. These are all benchmark rifles.

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from bscrandall wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Each gun is dependable. There's no question about that. But for me, I've always loved the 336.

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from RJ Arena wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Call me crazy, but I shoot my marlin left-handed and love the way it ejects to the right in to the open side pocket in my vest,(not my original plan, but it works well) no need to pick up the empty's on the ground. I had many years ago a Winchester 94 30-30, it just did not feel right, so I stayed away from Lever-action for many years, now I can't shoot enough with my Marlin. I made a few changes, a big loop lever and a Skinner sight, it is now my favorite gun!!!!

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from Gtbigsky wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The 336 get my vote. As stated above the pistol grip and side ejection override historical significance.

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from Proverbs wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I've got both of these....in more than one caliber. Both are lovely to look at, lovely to hold. But work the actions, and the Marlins are slicker.

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from elmer f. wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Stainless or not, I will take a Marlin (a REAL Marlin, not a Rem-lin) over a Winchester 94 any and every day. I like the look & feel of the Marlin better, it is MUCH easier to disassemble and clean, and the action works smoother. with just a little work, the trigger can be made every bit as nice as a bolt action gun (ok, more than a little work). i have no idea how many rounds have been thru my Marlin (my brother has the Winchester), but time and wear has done her no harm. years ago, a scope was not an issue, but it is now. and the Marlin definitely has the nod there. I have no problem with anyone owning any gun. and the Win 94 is no exception. it's just not my cup of tea.

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from Red Angus wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I went with the Marlin, because, as stated above, it is built heavier, and I much prefer the side eject. While I don't own either, I have handled both models and prefer the Marlin.

Suggestion for an upcoming gunfight, how about hunting handguns? Whether it would be revolver's, break-action, or semi-auto's doesn't matter specifically. I just think it would be a neat subject to try in one of the upcoming Fridays.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I hate stainless steel so it was a no brainer. If the gun had been blued I would have chosen the 336. I had one with a gold trigger a long time ago and used no scope, you really don't need one for 50 yard shots and I was used to shooting .22's with iron sights.

I love the Winchester 94 but the stupid button under the lever that acts as a safety drives me crazy. I hold my guns very gently and having to squeeze the lever while I shoot is a recipe for a quick miss...

I can deal with the lever better than the stupid shiny gun. Hell if I can see it from 100 yards the deer can see it from 1,000.....

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

idahoguy,
I like my Savage 99 better, too. But we wanted to go with the classic matchup. As for price, it's true that a new 94 is insanely more expensive (around $1,300) than a new 336C ($500-600), but I got mine for about $450 used, and there are lots of old, reasonably priced 94s out there.

Leadhead,
Now, now. Don't get all worked up. Of course my old 336 in .35 Rem was blued; I wouldn't dream of owning a stainless lever. You see, I'm not making an argument for the 94 over the 336. I'm making an argument for my 94 over Eddie's 336, which is stainless.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

After 40+ years of using and carrying one, I have to vote for the '94. More LH friendly, easier to manage out of a pickup truck or a saddle scabbard, and who needs a scope when you have a Lyman tang sight?

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from smokey0347 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have several Marlins in my collection. My first Marlin was a 39 Golden .22 that I wish I still had. Still have 2 Model 60's that my grandsons use for squirrels. Also have an 1894 in .357 for Cowboy Action Shooting (and hunting), an 1895 in .45-70 and an old 336 in .375 Winchester Big Bore. Had a Winchester 94 on .30 - .30. Sold it about a week later. Didn't like the way it fit me, the way it shot r nothing about that gun. Give me a Marlin any day.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I have one of each. The Marlin is a better fitting rifle and the action is much smoother.

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from focusfront wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

Have both; unlike some posters here, I think these guns are as modern as tomorrow in the woods for deer or pigs. My 336 shoots straighter (bigger bullet, too: .35 cal), but my 94 Trapper w/ red dot shoulders quicker. So it's close. I would pick the 336 here because it is stainless, not in spite of it.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

I'll take the Winchester every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The 1894 is simply more agile and more carry-friendly. Sure, you can mount a scope on the Marlins (and the 1894 angle-ejects) but that isn't what a lever gun is about. At least in my reckoning, a lever-gun is for quick work at close range. A short LOP, short barrels and a straight stock are the ticket for that role. Not to mention that the 1894 is more truck and horse friendly. I'd prefer a Trapper model with a ghost ring and no cross-bolt safety, but Hurteau's classic would work splendidly.

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from jhjimbo wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

Nothing handles like a Model 1894 Winchester, nothing.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I'm partial because I cut my whitetail teeth with a Winchester 94 Trapper. It was a deer killer in the thick, NC swamps and pine woods. I would hesitate to go 100 yards or more with it, but that's not what it was made for. The old girl is in semi-retirement now, as several years of bouncing around behind the seat of my pickup have finally knocked the sights loose. I'll get them replaced, eventually, and look forward to carrying her in the cedars and mesquite of the Texas Hill Country.

By the way, with a traditional lever gun in a short-range caliber like 30-30, I'm iron sights or nothing, so the ability to scope the 336 means nothing to me.

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from idahoguy101 wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

The story doesn't mention prices. I prefer my Savage 99 to either but YMMV...

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from jjas wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

While the Winchester my be "prettier", I'll take the "chunkier" Marlin.....

The Marlin is built like a tank and easier to mount optics on (and my aging eyes tell me I need optics)......

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from Recoil Rob wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a quite a few of each. You need to have a reason to collect things and so I have two 94's from my birth year, 1955, and two 336's from 1955. One of each is stock, mint and the other of each is 98%, the 94 wears a period Leupold Detacho Mount Scout scope set up and the Marlin wears a period Kollmorgan 2.5X. All 4 are 30-30's

I also have a Model 64 Deluxe in .32 Win. and a 1980 Marlin in .35 Rem. w/ shortened barrel and scout scope setup.

Finally, just about 3 hours ago the UPS man came by with a 1950 336 in .35 Rem.

94's with iron sights just carry better but they are noisy to jack a round into the chamber. Marlins , though a bit sturdier, are smoother, easier to clean (the bolt comes out easily facilitating cleaning from the breech) and Marlins come in .35 Rem. That's my choice.

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from jhjimbo wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

My Winchester 30-30 was mfg. 1958, my Marlin 336 is from the 1990's. I have also had Marlins in .450Marlin and .444.
My vote went to the Winchester. Probably because i started hunting with it although i did occasionally borrow my Uncles .35Marlin. I could move through areas with the Winchester'94 so thick sometimes all you saw were legs. Never had a problem with snow or rain although i have had a bunch of snow fall down my neck more than once. Fast pointing, smooth action and accurate, When given a choice, I will favor the Winchester Model '94 .

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from CCMJS wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have one of each and love them both.

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from bastranger wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I bought my 336C used in 1970. The walnut stock is one of the prettiest pieces of wood I've seen in my 70 years. Mounted a 2.5X Weaver on a Weaver tilt-off mount. I've never looked back. It has taken every deer I've killed and although I've never actually tilted the scope off in the field, I'm satisfied with it. I prefer the looks of the pistol grip over the straight stock and yes, price was an issue when I bought it. I'd love to also own the 94 for purely sentimental reasons, but it'd likely never get carried afield.

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from Scott Faille Jr. wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

My number one go to rifle is a Marlin 336 chambered in .444. A low powered scope like 1.5x power to -3.5x power and Hornady Lever Revolution ammo make it perfect for here in the north east. It is heck of a brush gun and still will get the job done out to 150 yards.

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from Tepcro wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a model 94 that my grandpa handed down and now to me.
That 30-30 is a fine firearm and is perfect for a saddle gun, and it is also good in tight brush.
I have other firearms for long flat shots, but this gun is a gun for it's own purposes.(ranching, hunting in close brush and thick trees.)
A 30-30 is really about a 100-200 yard gun. So WHY do I need a scope? The scope messes it up for a saddle gun and I can shoot through iron sights up to 200 yards faster and easier.
If I need light gathering so that I can see the animal I am shooting... well maybe I should wait for light.
If I were in a tree stand, I wouldn't be needing a scope....
I could go on but will refrain.
The Winchester model 94 is a great cowboy/saddle gun.
In defence of the Marlin, the stainless would be more durable in the saddle on a rainy day.
BUT, it's still a Marlin. Nuff said!

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from Blue Ox wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Marlin 336, hands down.
I have one in .32 special, with plenty of deer and a few hogs under its belt.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I like the look of a Winchester better, but the one I had never shot any bullet over 110 grains well, and altho it made a nice groundhog gun with 110 gr Speer varminters it was useless for deer, barely hitting a pie plate at 100 yds W/ 150 gr bullets. the lighter bullets cloverleafed at the same yardage!

I now have a Marlin and it likes 180 gr bullets, giving a respectable sub 1 inch group at 100 yds with Remington corelocks.

So I had to vote for the Marlin for functionality over aesthetics.

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from deadeyedick wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I voted for the 94 There is just something special about the look and feel of a 94 winchester. The gun was never really designed for scope use and putting a scope on it seems to detract from the clean lines of the rifle itself. Of couse I am talking about the older version not the junk winchester turned out after 1964.

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from shane wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

I'll try not to let my .32 Special and .35 Remington chamberings pull my bias too much. Say they were both .30-30s...everything in me wants to say 94 is "cooler", and it is, but the .336 is technically better. It's more accurate, it's a stronger action, yet it's still no slouch in the looks or handling departments. I guess it wins.

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

One other thing that you didn't mention is that the 336 doesn't rattle as much or in other words the action is tighter.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

The Marlin, but not in stainless. I've had both but I only really had the marlin (30-30) because I bought it from a cash-strapped brother-in-law and sold it back to him 8 years later. My 94 is in 25/35 which is a sweet little gun, though not a thumper by any means. The marlin is much sturdier and as Sarge said, it didn't rattle at all. If I was looking for another lever-gun, it would be a Marlin in .35 remington. My father has about a thousand rounds of that cal.that he will never use.

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from Jay Jensen wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Both guns are great but the 94 is a classic american rifle.

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from Tmmytomato wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Was looking for a 30-30 for my daughter in Missouri and after talking with hunters familiar with shooting in heavy brush and after handling both the Marlin and Winchester and working the actions I readily chose the Marlin. She killed her first deer the first season with a single shot and was pleased as could be - as was I. The Marlin has much smoother and quieter action and is a very well built rifle.

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from nc30-06 wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I bought my Marlin 336C for my dad's birthday and Christmas present when I was 16. I got tired of him having to borrow a rifle to go deer hunting every year. I gave it to him early so he could use it that year. Good thing I did. He passed away the following May. Now it is mine and I will own it till I die. Wonderful rifle. Mine is blue with the old style real nice walnut stocks.

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from Neil J. Selbicky wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I'll vote for the 94 in 30-30. That is what I started out with. Just right for a 12 year old in the chaparral and oak hills of central California. With a rifle sling and iron sights it was light, rugged and easy to carry. This was a rifle to teach a young deer hunter how to shoot safe and straight.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

SAVAGE 99EG .308

Enough said! !

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from PbHead wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

Gee Phil, this one was like having an answer to your loving, passionate, brunette haired wife when she comes home as a blonde and you are asked which you prefer.

To All: Have a great Memorial Day

PS Marlin for me.

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from Treestand wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

Love the lines on the Win 94 but you just can't the Marlin 336 for dependability with or with-out a scope.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

"94, got to stick to the reasons these levers were built.Up close big game. If you want a scope get a bolt action. the "94" is American history.Don't change a thing! Even the Lord wouldn't recognize Moses without a beard.

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from Roderick K. Purcell wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I've got one of each. My heart says Winchester but my head voted Marlin. I'm addicted to a low power scope and favor the side eject. But I may change my mind and vote again later...

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

If it weren't for the stainless steel, I think the Marlin would definitely be the more attractive gun with its pistol grip, fine wood, and genuine checkering. I'm sorry, but I find Dave's gun to be the real "plain jane" in this case. I also don't like straight grip stocks. Besides being more acceptable for scopes, the Marlin levers are, as they have always been advertised, "dry as a duck's back" and that is a worthwhile attribute, especially for guys like me who prefer tracking in snow. The snow usually is not all on the ground and much of it falls off the trees/brush onto me and my gun. A Model 94, or any of Browning's lever action designs for that matter, would get full of water or ice in those conditions. Not good.

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from AJMcClure wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

Our Win 94 has groves cut for a scope, but Winchester cut them poorly and as a result the scope base has to have a shim in it, and has had some accuracy issues likely related to the scope, but inability to cut parallel lines is a problem, while the Marlin 1895 I have which is similar to the 336 is also poorly finished with razor sharp edges that have to be filed off. With that said the 94 has a smoother action, but a stainless marlin is an all round wonderful tool, and a gem that is without a scope, once you put a scope on it you might as well hunt with a Tikka in 7mm Rem mag. Practice with your lever action staying on target as you lever another round in and you'll never miss your bolt action. Cheers.

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from James Kelt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a Winchester model 94 chambered in 32 Winchester special. I have to say its one of my favorite deer rifles especially when shooting ballistic tip rounds. As far as the top eject, I have a side mounted Leupold scope which gives me the option of iron or optic sights. Iron when still hunting optics when in the stand!

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from James Kelt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a Winchester model 94 chambered in 32 Winchester special. I have to say its one of my favorite deer rifles especially when shooting ballistic tip rounds. As far as the top eject, I have a side mounted Leupold scope which gives me the option of iron or optic sights. Iron when still hunting optics when in the stand!

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from JPMNTMAN wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I have a winchester and the model I have allows for a top mounted scope and ejects at an angle. As for looks have to go with the Winchester all the way\

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from LeadHead wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I gotta say Hurteau did a sorry job defending his "far prettier" gun (prettier in his eyes, maybe). His comment about not liking the stainless steel has got to be the most non-relevant, weak argument as to why the Winchester is better than the Marlin. If he indeed "owned a 336 in .35 Rem for many years", you would think he would realize that there have been far more specimens of the 336 produced in blue steel rather than stainless. And even if that were not the case, are you telling me that he's going to argue that the Winchester is a better gun because in his mind it's prettier? Really? How compelling! Makes me wanna run right out and buy 2 of 'em, NOT.
Oh, and as to his comment about the '94 being "graceful" and "waifish", what guy wants a "waifish" gun when he's out in the woods? What he's admitting without coming right out and saying it is that the Marlin is built a lot tougher. And it truly is. The whole gun (except some of the minor action parts) is (and always has been) built from drop-forged steel and it's built to take a beating. The pre-'64 Winchester was built pretty well, but after 1964 they began stamping a lot of their parts to "cheap-out" and reduce costs, and it came back to bite them in the rear. I like a gun that's designed for "man's hands", considering the fact I am in fact a man.

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from RandyMI wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

OK, Mr. Nickens…. Of the Winchester or Marlin choice, I choose Marlin. However, there is a better(IMHO)option…. You can’t touch this! Savage M-99 Brushgun. And don’t worry about the straight grip. This grip is a handful!
The grooved forend also gives full & fast control. Lots of punch, too, with the obsolete but available .358 Winchester cartridge.

If I do want a regular, curved pistol grip I’ll just use the .308 Win. sister to this M-99. Same setup with the tip-off scope that I prefer. If one really wants only a .30-30 they are also available though much older iron.

Regards & best wishes,
RandyMI

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

I bought my 30-30 94 for $200. There are millions of them out there... I like the small grip and fore end. I almost bought one in .44 mag 30 years ago as my primary deer rifle. Got a 30-06 instead. Armslist has a 94 in .44 mag like new, less than 40 rounds fired $650 right now.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 weeks 3 days ago

99's are the only centerfire lever guns that I own, so I do not feel qualified and unbiased to vote for either.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 weeks 2 days ago

I have owned one of each. My heart said Winchester, and that's the way I voted. I also like that wide hammer spur.

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from mncowboy wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

I have 1 of each plus a Henry and a mossberg 464. I would prefer the Henry shoots more accurate, more heft and it looks so much more (special). I like the Marlin for all the reasons everyone else mentioned, side ejection, scope and little more accurate. Least favorite is Mossberg. But if I could have only 1 it would be the Winchester hands down, no logical reason other then I Love the Winchester and all the Hoopla that goes with it. Besides the Henry is just to nice lookin of a gun to trapes thru the woods and snow with.

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from AZsparrow wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

I've always preferred the Marlin 336's, own several, but have no issues with the Winchester '94 either really. I might add I do prefer the somewhat older rifles, not really a fan of the stainless versions, and love the rifle in the ".35 Rem" caliber over the .30-30. I also never put a scope on any of my Marlins either, seems non-traditional sacrilege somehow to me, ha!

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from ram49651 wrote 2 weeks 1 day ago

Petal was wrong,anyone who has to scope a 30-30 is a "primitive life form".Anyone shooting over 100 yds.w/ a 30-30 needs to have there head examined. If you really think you need a scope try an optometrist first. My first deer rifle when I turned 14 in Up North Mich. was a 94 manf. in 1932 handed down to me by one of my great uncles. Used it until 1984 when I bought into the scoped 30-30 craze,where I bought a 336 and had it scoped at a local gun shop. The owner had retired from U.S.A.F. After 20 years as master armorer. It did not shoot any straiter than the 94. Sold it in 1992 and bought my first 30-06. Thank God I got smart. Of all the lever guns I have owned the most accurate is still my fathers mod.99 in 303 savage. Rested on a bench w/ iron sights it can darn near bring in 1 M.O.A. Guess they just knew how to build em in 1917. Have had a couple of other 94's but they were newer and not to the spec. of the older mods. If this lopsided contest is about practicality and modern conveniences than the 336 wins hands down but if you want to know how it was in the "old days" when one shot might cost two days pay then you cannot use anything but a 94. My vote , Winchester

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 weeks 15 hours ago

Actually this contest is about choosing an old 94 against a scoped, stainless steel 336 which seems to have escaped just about everyone. Is it bad that I wish it was Friday night again so we could have two more contenders? Bad for me, good for the website!

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from Matthew Clark wrote 1 week 6 days ago

I don't know why everyone is arguing about which one of these is better, everyone knows the best lever gun ever made is a Savage 99.....at least I think so. ;)

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from Bryan Hemmerle wrote 1 week 6 days ago

although my scoped camo 336 with see through mounts has it all over my open sight Winchester NRA centennial rifle on paper, I can shoot the 94 better even though it isn't scoped. I don't know why....it just shoots better. I hunted with nothing but that 94 from 12-20 when I bought an A-bolt. But i'm glad I have both and would rather hunt any day with either than go to work!

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from ram49651 wrote 1 week 4 days ago

Mr. Petal,my sincerest appologies for misspelling your name. The rest I stand by.

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