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May 31, 2013

Gun Fight Friday: Walking Guns for Deer and Hogs

By Phil Bourjaily

We have one more week of Marlins, then we’ll give some other guns a chance. However, after the 336 crushed the Model 94 Winchester in last week’s voting I am eager to see what happens in today’s Gun Fight. It’s an asymmetrical matchup: the Marlin 1894c squares off against a Glock 10mm pistol. Which is the better walking gun for pigs and whitetails?

Introduced in 1894, the Marlin lever carbine was chambered for a variety of handgun rounds but today it comes in .357 magnum/.38 special only. Ballistically, as Greg Hart points out, the 18.5-inch barrel supercharges the .357 magnum velocity-wise, making a cartridge already effective to 50 yards or so even more effective. It’s light at six pounds and it holds a lot of cartridges. And, as a bonus, you can load it with 38 special for inexpensive, low-recoil practice or plinking.

The Glock 20 dates to 1991 and it is not going to win a beauty contest with the 1894c. It is lighter and handier than any carbine and it holds 15 rounds which should be enough for anything. Handguns are – I find anyway – a lot harder to shoot straight than any long gun, although a dot sight does make it much easier. Still you would have to practice, pick your shots, and limit your range with this rig or you might have a very angry pig on your hands.
 
Lynn Nelson’s Glock/Lone Wolf Model 20 10mm

Custom Glock/Lone Wolf Model 20, 10mm long slide with 6" stainless barrel.Topped with a Burris Fast-Fire II red dot which is recessed in the Lone Wolf stainless frame.

It is my preference as a side arm for hunting whitetails and Russian hogs in southern Arkansas. Packs a big punch with 180 grain JHP's and 200 grain HCFNGC lead bullets. Paired with a 15 round magazine it is very comfortable to shoot, and is more accurate than I can ever be. Fits comfortably in my Yaqui Slide holster for all day wear. Just awesome!
 
And...kudos to Phil for giving me the idea from his piece on the S&W .357 with Burris Fast-Fire II red dot from a year or two back. —Lynn Nelson
 
Greg Hart’s .357 Marlin 1894c

This is my go-to gun for deer and pigs. In the densely wooded, hilly terrain I typically hunt, its small size makes it easy to carry and point quickly. At short ranges it really doesn't give up much to a .30-30 and the longer barrel really makes the .357 cartridge come to life, typically picking up another 400 FPS or so.
 
It has a capacity of 9+1 rounds and the lever action allows for fairly quick follow up shots, if need be. Ammo is inexpensive, and there is a wealth of data and components available for reloading.

Finally, being a pistol cartridge, I can practice with it at any indoor handgun range. —Greg Hart
 
Which is it: classic carbine or “plastic” pistol for deer and pigs?

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from deadeyedick wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

After doing a quick check in my reloadinmg manuals the .357 magnum with 180 gr. nosler partition bullets can be loaded to much higher velocities than the 10mm. the 10mm comes in around 1150 -1200 fps while the 357 can be loaded up past 1700 (rifles and t/c pistols only)with a significant increase with energy. I'll take the rifle everytime

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from RJ Arena wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I agree with you deadeyedick, plus the added accuracy you get from a rifle. and in any hunting application it is placement, not how fast you can spray ammo.

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from HogBlog wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I'll make a big No Vote on this one. Maybe I'm hamstrung by personal bias, but I'm simply not a fan of handgun cartridges in a rifle... especially not for hog hunting. The exception might be something in the .500S&W or .50AE.

As far as the 10mm, it could work under the right conditions, but it becomes marginal really quickly... too quickly for my tastes. Hogs aren't bulletproof, and they're not grizzly bears, but they can really take some killing.

If you have no better options, then I guess either of these choices will be OK. But there are better options for hogs.

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from Tim Platt wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I'm not hunting hogs with a pistol unless I have a pack of dogs. I don't even like hunting them with a muzzle loader. I have a friend who has the same Marlin in .357 Mag and he has taken a lot of deer with it, and never experienced any problems.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

It really pained me to have to choose between my two favorite firearms manufacturers, but in the end I had to choose the Marlin. I can drive to the Glock factory from where I live and buy any make or model straight from Glock, but there is just something about a .357 magnum rifle that gets me excited! I just wish Marlin still made their .41 magnum rifle, or this might be an inspiration for Marlin to make a 10mm rifle! mmm...probably not!

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from jhjimbo wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I do not like either one for hogs. My vote is 'present'
If the rifle was in a .44 or .45 it would be my pick.

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from nehunter92 wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I’m going to go with the Marlin here. I have to agree with HogBlog when it comes to handgun cartridges in rifles, I’ll take a fully stocked rifle any day over a handgun. The Marlin is simply more versatile in terms of range, ammo selection, and just about any useful factor in a hunting situation. While I have yet to hunt any Hogs, what I know about them suggests you want put them down quick. Given this information, the power and precision of a rifle over a handgun isn’t just preferable, it’s necessary.
That said, if I were to be wild hog hunting, I would probably bring something a tad more powerful than the Marlin, and have the Glock as a sidearm. As I primary weapon, I find the Glock to be somewhat limited. Given its true application as a backup weapon however, the Glock would be more useful than the Marlin in the long run. I fail to see why anyone would want to use a pistol cartridge right off the bat, other than perhaps for added challenge, in which case, kudos. If the Marlin .357 is “almost as good” as the 30-30, why not just get the 30-30 and have the greater flexibility (not to mention widespread commercial availability) of a purpose built hunting cartridge?

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from cb bob wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I prefer a rifle over a handgun for hunting. I'm just more comfortable with a rifle.

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from Anhinga wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Desert Eagle 50 or 44 as pistol compared to 44 or 45 lever gun would be a better comparison, in my opinion. I'd carry the rifle as primary weapon and the auto as back-up.
However, for 'close-up hogs' my son is partial to 55 gr. soft points from his AR. Plenty of rapid firepower in a short carbine with a red dot sight. He took 4 from one sounder at daylight one morning this spring as he waited for the group to 'surround' him (10 to 20 yds) before he opened up. Got off seven rounds before they were in the brush and out of sight. Only one round didn't hit a hog!

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from Robert Dawson wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

It's less difficult to accurately shoot a rifle than a pistol. Either weapon would excel for self defense. But the pistol would holster easier :)

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from Steve Ford wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I have (just about) the same Glock, only mine has a compensator screwed on to the 6+" barrel.
When I hunted Russian Boar with dogs in the Carmel Hills as a lad, you didn't have time to swing a rifle once they busted out of the manzanita and poison oak. A Blackhawk was the weapon of choice in those days. But sitting on a large rock or low tree limb was prudent also.

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from jhjimbo wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I was in the Middle-East hunting hogs with drivers/beaters. One guy had a 12ga with OOBuck and he was charged by a pig. He got off 2 shots and the pig ran right over him - leaving him with a big gash on his calf on the way by. I was a Medic for the group and got him to the Hospital where he spent the next few weeks with a bad infection and almost lost his lower leg.
My thinking for pigs is: hunt from an elevated position or use something that can flatten one.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I really like this blog idea. I think the Glock would be fun to hunt with and I definitely would pick it up once and a while as a novelty. However, pig hunting is often a game of multiple animals, which may be big and toothy. The rifle gets the pick here for me. The Glock would be an excellent backup. I wouldn't underestimate the .357 Magnum out of a rifle barrel, especially with excellent bullets like the Buffalo Bore hard-cast or the Barnes XPBs. Incidentally, I would have probably picked this Marlin over the 336 in the last battle.

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from Greg Merryman wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I guess if money is no object, this is a fair fight. But for my money, I'll take the Marlin. .357 vs 10mm, ammo alone is going to make the choice.

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from pcspecht wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Really??? Like . . . really??? 10mm??? Sure you didn't mean . . . I don't know. . .41 mag. maybe?? This is just . . . The word "dumb" comes as a kinder version of the others that leap to mind.
Enough already with the Marlin's. Yes, there a fine platform. Yes, they have been around awhile. Yes, a lot of people have one. .......... But enough already. How about putting it up against a real "Brush" gun? How about the Ruger .44 Carbine perhaps the best brush popper ever made or any pump or auto 12ga? Slug or buck..... You want a pistol, try it against the Ruger .41 Blackhawk. You have heard of "apples for apples"??
Who makes these unrealistic choices and match ups? From some of the lopsided, mismatched pairings that have appeared here it would not surprise me to see a future blog about "The use of the .458 Alaskan rifle for barking squirrels". That would fit right in on this down hill slope.
As I have made my living and feed my family over the years by guiding and hunting I may be taking this more seriously than it is intended. If I have missed the joke please forgive me. I had thought that this was a more serious forum for those serious about their sport and livelihood. Instead it seems that it's more about the dumb thing humans can do or think about.
I'll continue to check in on this Blog. For the most part the writing is good and in general the subject matter is in step with the sport. But when I comes to these match up's I'm thinking it needs to be tightened up and made for the real world.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I wouldn't use a .357 to kill any game animal that I really cared about killing. And to think of walking around in the bush after hogs and armed with nothing but a pistol ... well, that sends shivers up my spine. I take a few chances when I'm hunting but I'm always prepared for the worst. My "chances" do not include going less-than-prepared! We have whipped the dead horse on here countless times about the virtues, or rather lack thereof, of carrying a "backup" pistol, especially when hunting something that's dangerous. By the time one can drop the killing gun (presumably it has somehow become dysfunctional?) and draw a handgun, it's lights out anyway.

I can't stand Glocks of any ilk and though the Marlin might do "okay" as a deer gun, in my opinion the range of .357 is too limited for it to be useful for that purpose even if it is shot out of a rifle barrel. I expect that the hunter would too often have opportunities for 150-200 yard shots that he would too often try to make with that gun. Carry something perhaps less decorative that can kill deer close range AND out there a ways if the need arises.

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from Red Angus wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I went with the Marlin, largely because it's the same calibre as my revolver, that way I wouldn't have another calibre to keep in stock. Another reason for me to go with the Marlin is I've always wanted a lever action rifle. I have nothing against any of the Glocks, I just would not want to spend the money it would take to practice enough with a 10mm to get good enough to try hunting with one.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Specht: Yes, I think you are taking things too seriously. Hopefully, Gunfight Friday will continue for quite some time (if there's enough participation from the crowd). So, yes, I expect there will be some obscure match ups. Otherwise there's liable to be a shortage of writing material without a lot of duplication, which is not very interesting. I didn't think the lightweight turkey gun showdown was so bad. I actually learned quite a bit. But hey, I don't know it all already. As to this episode, I'm trying to picture guys out hunting hogs with pistols and sort-of high powered rifles. Maybe it works, I don't know. Haven't tried it and doubt that I will. But I don't mind listening to someone who does it another way even if I have my doubts about it. We're on here to exchange ideas and perspectives.

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from elmer f. wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

given the choice, i will take a long gun over a pistol for taking game any day. they are inherently much more accurate, easier to aim and shoot well. and in a self defense situation, that becomes even more critical. a wild bore with one charge can kill you. it is not going to kill you instantly (for the most part), but severing an artery in the field is a death sentence, that will be carried out within 10 minutes. i find carrying a pistol is quite comforting, especially in either an urban jungle, or in the woods. pistols are great tools. they are just not as effective in MOST PEOPLES hands (mine included), as a rifle is. since adding a sling to the Marlin would make it a no hands carry, like the pistol, the Marlin is a no brainer.

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from pennhunter wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I have a Marlin 1894FG in .41 Mag setup with a Burris scout scope, SWEET. Talk about a walkin around gun. To me it's worth it's weight in gold. It should knock a big pig over with a 240 grain hard cast lead bullit. I am a handgun hunter too and have a TC Encore setup with a 10" 41 mag barrel.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Like most opinions here, I choose the marlin. I do however carry a .357 Ruger as a sidearm and not as a primary weapon. My "camp guns" are a pair of lever carbines; one a .45 Colt caliber Rossi, and other a .44 mag Black Shadow Win.94; BOTH of which I shoot the Leverevolution ammo. It's accurate in both guns and both have taken deer quite cleanly. I would be confident taking either one for hogs. A rifle, even in a pistol caliber, would be my 1st choice over a handgun for hunting...IMO

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from RJ Arena wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

@Ralph the Rifleman, have you tried hard cast bullets? I like the Leverevolution on longer shots, but I prefer the heavy hard cast in general, I find they feed better than the leverevolution and knockdown anything they hit.

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from Zermoid wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

No Contest, Semi auto handguns and rifles aren't allowed for hunting in PA, Marlin wins by default.

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from ozarkghost wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I like the idea of hunting boar with a handgun but I would have to be in a stand secure from a ground attack and be with at least one hunting partner, just for safety. Otherwise give me a rifle.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 46 weeks 19 hours ago

Pennhunter, ya sellin'?

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from Carney wrote 46 weeks 19 hours ago

5 - 6 years ago, a local gun store had a barely used Marlin 1894 for about $395. I didn't buy it then thinking I could afford it better in the not too distant future...

That was a mistake.

Within months they started wearing price tags of $500, $600, $700... Stainless models are over a thousand.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 46 weeks 14 hours ago

Hey RJ
I have read a few articles about hard cast bullets for pistols, but have not used them as yet. I have, however; Used the Buffolo Bore hard casts in my .45/70 Marlin, I think they are made to punch holes in brick walls!

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from Proverbs wrote 46 weeks 23 min ago

Speaking from experience with just about every modern lever action, my absolute favorite is my 1894c (357/38) that was brand new in 1983. Back then they came with beautiful stocks and ivory spacers. I've used mine for whitetail and regularly on coyote calling stands where once it took three yotes that came running in together. The 1894c operates slicker than any other lever action I've ever touched and points like a wand. You can pump 10 rounds downrange in about 5 seconds with practice. Once you fire one it is hard to put down because it is an absolute joy to use.

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from donntom wrote 45 weeks 6 days ago

Great test, great comments. How about a test between a .40 cal pistol, (say a sig p229) and a Ruger PC-4?

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from pennhunter wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

To mspl8sdcntryboy, in the words of Toolman Taylor, I don't think so Tim. I use hardcast in the TC, the Marlin likes Sierra 210gr. From 0 to 75yds just shoot. Wher I hunt there won't be a shot over 75 unless I hunt an open field.

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from Tim Platt wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

I am right there with you pennhunter. I have hunted deer in the hills of Tennessee for over 30 years, my closest guesstimate is that I have killed about 100 deer and I have only shot at one deer that I can say for sure was over 100 yards away. I killed her offhand with a muzzleloader as I topped a ridge and had a treestand on my back.

The average deer is taken at 16 yards here, according to the TWRA. A .357 will do. We outlawed killing hogs last year, they think the hunting season just motivates people to ship in illegal animals. I had to drive three hours to find one anyway...

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from ishawooa wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

The only two hogs I ever shot were directly below my deer stand about 35 and 36 years ago. My old M-27 8 3/8 with a 125 Sierra worked fine on both occasions requiring one head shot each. I shot a Marlin .357 back in the eighties when a friend acquired one. I thought it was a very neat gun and really liked it as I do all Marlins. I just didn't see a need for the '94 Marlin in Wyoming. Sure wish I had bought one back then as it was hard to beat for sheer close up plinking pleasure.

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from Treestand wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

Some one has been looking in to my Gun Safe!
I have Too 1894 Marlins one in 41Mag/C and 44Mag/P,a Ruger flat-top 41mag,Glock M/30 in 10mm. Never had much use for the Marlin 357Mag,I found the 41 or 44Magnum would do a better job in deep woods and swamps of Florida.
As for the Hand Guns the Glock/30 packs better then the 41Mag Ruger and the M-1894P(16.5)Bbl totes better then the 1894C(20")It all comes down to What works best for YOU.

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from Treestand wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

*TWO*

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from Shellcracker wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Having lived around wild pigs most of my life, I've had about 99% of them run away at first sight of me. The one that got pissed didnt get close enough before i got back into the truck. If I was going on a walk and was worried about an occasional or maybe never boar attack, i'd want a handgun. That way I can hold onto a tree limb with one hand while I shoot with the other. Obviously a rifle is more accurate, but I'd like to have a hand free to climb if not both to secure myself up a limb before I unholstered a sidearm to take careful aim at the stationary and waiting pig below....Also, as far as caliber goes you can kill pigs with either one. A 10mm bullet is not going to bounce off, neither is a .45, .44, 9mm, .357, .38 spl etc..........If I was stomping around trying to find a pig or a deer, I'd bring a 12 gage shotgun with #1 buck, but that isnt one of the choices. For dedicated pig hunting, i'm carrying a .45-70 or slugs in my .870 pump with a low power 1.35-5x slug scope set on 1.35. Basically you have one chance at an accurate first shot and then its going to be a tangle of dust, flying pig, human legs doing some sort of panic dance, trees, spinning sight picture etc........

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Pennhunter, you must be Al"never sell" Borland!

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from CCMJS wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Marlin now stands undefeated in the gunfights.

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from Longrifle wrote 45 weeks 3 days ago

A pistol is best used to aid in retrieving the rifle you foolishly left behind.

Have never hunted hogs, but I believe any time you are going to take a poke at something that may poke back you should use enough gun!

Would take the rifle, with a sling so I could sling it and climb with both hands!

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from RJ Arena wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I agree with you deadeyedick, plus the added accuracy you get from a rifle. and in any hunting application it is placement, not how fast you can spray ammo.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Like most opinions here, I choose the marlin. I do however carry a .357 Ruger as a sidearm and not as a primary weapon. My "camp guns" are a pair of lever carbines; one a .45 Colt caliber Rossi, and other a .44 mag Black Shadow Win.94; BOTH of which I shoot the Leverevolution ammo. It's accurate in both guns and both have taken deer quite cleanly. I would be confident taking either one for hogs. A rifle, even in a pistol caliber, would be my 1st choice over a handgun for hunting...IMO

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from Tim Platt wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I'm not hunting hogs with a pistol unless I have a pack of dogs. I don't even like hunting them with a muzzle loader. I have a friend who has the same Marlin in .357 Mag and he has taken a lot of deer with it, and never experienced any problems.

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from jhjimbo wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I do not like either one for hogs. My vote is 'present'
If the rifle was in a .44 or .45 it would be my pick.

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from jhjimbo wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I was in the Middle-East hunting hogs with drivers/beaters. One guy had a 12ga with OOBuck and he was charged by a pig. He got off 2 shots and the pig ran right over him - leaving him with a big gash on his calf on the way by. I was a Medic for the group and got him to the Hospital where he spent the next few weeks with a bad infection and almost lost his lower leg.
My thinking for pigs is: hunt from an elevated position or use something that can flatten one.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I really like this blog idea. I think the Glock would be fun to hunt with and I definitely would pick it up once and a while as a novelty. However, pig hunting is often a game of multiple animals, which may be big and toothy. The rifle gets the pick here for me. The Glock would be an excellent backup. I wouldn't underestimate the .357 Magnum out of a rifle barrel, especially with excellent bullets like the Buffalo Bore hard-cast or the Barnes XPBs. Incidentally, I would have probably picked this Marlin over the 336 in the last battle.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Specht: Yes, I think you are taking things too seriously. Hopefully, Gunfight Friday will continue for quite some time (if there's enough participation from the crowd). So, yes, I expect there will be some obscure match ups. Otherwise there's liable to be a shortage of writing material without a lot of duplication, which is not very interesting. I didn't think the lightweight turkey gun showdown was so bad. I actually learned quite a bit. But hey, I don't know it all already. As to this episode, I'm trying to picture guys out hunting hogs with pistols and sort-of high powered rifles. Maybe it works, I don't know. Haven't tried it and doubt that I will. But I don't mind listening to someone who does it another way even if I have my doubts about it. We're on here to exchange ideas and perspectives.

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from Carney wrote 46 weeks 19 hours ago

5 - 6 years ago, a local gun store had a barely used Marlin 1894 for about $395. I didn't buy it then thinking I could afford it better in the not too distant future...

That was a mistake.

Within months they started wearing price tags of $500, $600, $700... Stainless models are over a thousand.

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from Proverbs wrote 46 weeks 23 min ago

Speaking from experience with just about every modern lever action, my absolute favorite is my 1894c (357/38) that was brand new in 1983. Back then they came with beautiful stocks and ivory spacers. I've used mine for whitetail and regularly on coyote calling stands where once it took three yotes that came running in together. The 1894c operates slicker than any other lever action I've ever touched and points like a wand. You can pump 10 rounds downrange in about 5 seconds with practice. Once you fire one it is hard to put down because it is an absolute joy to use.

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from deadeyedick wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

After doing a quick check in my reloadinmg manuals the .357 magnum with 180 gr. nosler partition bullets can be loaded to much higher velocities than the 10mm. the 10mm comes in around 1150 -1200 fps while the 357 can be loaded up past 1700 (rifles and t/c pistols only)with a significant increase with energy. I'll take the rifle everytime

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

It really pained me to have to choose between my two favorite firearms manufacturers, but in the end I had to choose the Marlin. I can drive to the Glock factory from where I live and buy any make or model straight from Glock, but there is just something about a .357 magnum rifle that gets me excited! I just wish Marlin still made their .41 magnum rifle, or this might be an inspiration for Marlin to make a 10mm rifle! mmm...probably not!

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from nehunter92 wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I’m going to go with the Marlin here. I have to agree with HogBlog when it comes to handgun cartridges in rifles, I’ll take a fully stocked rifle any day over a handgun. The Marlin is simply more versatile in terms of range, ammo selection, and just about any useful factor in a hunting situation. While I have yet to hunt any Hogs, what I know about them suggests you want put them down quick. Given this information, the power and precision of a rifle over a handgun isn’t just preferable, it’s necessary.
That said, if I were to be wild hog hunting, I would probably bring something a tad more powerful than the Marlin, and have the Glock as a sidearm. As I primary weapon, I find the Glock to be somewhat limited. Given its true application as a backup weapon however, the Glock would be more useful than the Marlin in the long run. I fail to see why anyone would want to use a pistol cartridge right off the bat, other than perhaps for added challenge, in which case, kudos. If the Marlin .357 is “almost as good” as the 30-30, why not just get the 30-30 and have the greater flexibility (not to mention widespread commercial availability) of a purpose built hunting cartridge?

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from cb bob wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I prefer a rifle over a handgun for hunting. I'm just more comfortable with a rifle.

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from Steve Ford wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I have (just about) the same Glock, only mine has a compensator screwed on to the 6+" barrel.
When I hunted Russian Boar with dogs in the Carmel Hills as a lad, you didn't have time to swing a rifle once they busted out of the manzanita and poison oak. A Blackhawk was the weapon of choice in those days. But sitting on a large rock or low tree limb was prudent also.

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from Red Angus wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I went with the Marlin, largely because it's the same calibre as my revolver, that way I wouldn't have another calibre to keep in stock. Another reason for me to go with the Marlin is I've always wanted a lever action rifle. I have nothing against any of the Glocks, I just would not want to spend the money it would take to practice enough with a 10mm to get good enough to try hunting with one.

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from elmer f. wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

given the choice, i will take a long gun over a pistol for taking game any day. they are inherently much more accurate, easier to aim and shoot well. and in a self defense situation, that becomes even more critical. a wild bore with one charge can kill you. it is not going to kill you instantly (for the most part), but severing an artery in the field is a death sentence, that will be carried out within 10 minutes. i find carrying a pistol is quite comforting, especially in either an urban jungle, or in the woods. pistols are great tools. they are just not as effective in MOST PEOPLES hands (mine included), as a rifle is. since adding a sling to the Marlin would make it a no hands carry, like the pistol, the Marlin is a no brainer.

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from pennhunter wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I have a Marlin 1894FG in .41 Mag setup with a Burris scout scope, SWEET. Talk about a walkin around gun. To me it's worth it's weight in gold. It should knock a big pig over with a 240 grain hard cast lead bullit. I am a handgun hunter too and have a TC Encore setup with a 10" 41 mag barrel.

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from ozarkghost wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I like the idea of hunting boar with a handgun but I would have to be in a stand secure from a ground attack and be with at least one hunting partner, just for safety. Otherwise give me a rifle.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 46 weeks 14 hours ago

Hey RJ
I have read a few articles about hard cast bullets for pistols, but have not used them as yet. I have, however; Used the Buffolo Bore hard casts in my .45/70 Marlin, I think they are made to punch holes in brick walls!

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from pennhunter wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

To mspl8sdcntryboy, in the words of Toolman Taylor, I don't think so Tim. I use hardcast in the TC, the Marlin likes Sierra 210gr. From 0 to 75yds just shoot. Wher I hunt there won't be a shot over 75 unless I hunt an open field.

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from Shellcracker wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Having lived around wild pigs most of my life, I've had about 99% of them run away at first sight of me. The one that got pissed didnt get close enough before i got back into the truck. If I was going on a walk and was worried about an occasional or maybe never boar attack, i'd want a handgun. That way I can hold onto a tree limb with one hand while I shoot with the other. Obviously a rifle is more accurate, but I'd like to have a hand free to climb if not both to secure myself up a limb before I unholstered a sidearm to take careful aim at the stationary and waiting pig below....Also, as far as caliber goes you can kill pigs with either one. A 10mm bullet is not going to bounce off, neither is a .45, .44, 9mm, .357, .38 spl etc..........If I was stomping around trying to find a pig or a deer, I'd bring a 12 gage shotgun with #1 buck, but that isnt one of the choices. For dedicated pig hunting, i'm carrying a .45-70 or slugs in my .870 pump with a low power 1.35-5x slug scope set on 1.35. Basically you have one chance at an accurate first shot and then its going to be a tangle of dust, flying pig, human legs doing some sort of panic dance, trees, spinning sight picture etc........

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from CCMJS wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Marlin now stands undefeated in the gunfights.

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from HogBlog wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I'll make a big No Vote on this one. Maybe I'm hamstrung by personal bias, but I'm simply not a fan of handgun cartridges in a rifle... especially not for hog hunting. The exception might be something in the .500S&W or .50AE.

As far as the 10mm, it could work under the right conditions, but it becomes marginal really quickly... too quickly for my tastes. Hogs aren't bulletproof, and they're not grizzly bears, but they can really take some killing.

If you have no better options, then I guess either of these choices will be OK. But there are better options for hogs.

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from Anhinga wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Desert Eagle 50 or 44 as pistol compared to 44 or 45 lever gun would be a better comparison, in my opinion. I'd carry the rifle as primary weapon and the auto as back-up.
However, for 'close-up hogs' my son is partial to 55 gr. soft points from his AR. Plenty of rapid firepower in a short carbine with a red dot sight. He took 4 from one sounder at daylight one morning this spring as he waited for the group to 'surround' him (10 to 20 yds) before he opened up. Got off seven rounds before they were in the brush and out of sight. Only one round didn't hit a hog!

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from Robert Dawson wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

It's less difficult to accurately shoot a rifle than a pistol. Either weapon would excel for self defense. But the pistol would holster easier :)

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from Greg Merryman wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I guess if money is no object, this is a fair fight. But for my money, I'll take the Marlin. .357 vs 10mm, ammo alone is going to make the choice.

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from RJ Arena wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

@Ralph the Rifleman, have you tried hard cast bullets? I like the Leverevolution on longer shots, but I prefer the heavy hard cast in general, I find they feed better than the leverevolution and knockdown anything they hit.

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from Zermoid wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

No Contest, Semi auto handguns and rifles aren't allowed for hunting in PA, Marlin wins by default.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 46 weeks 19 hours ago

Pennhunter, ya sellin'?

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from donntom wrote 45 weeks 6 days ago

Great test, great comments. How about a test between a .40 cal pistol, (say a sig p229) and a Ruger PC-4?

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from Tim Platt wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

I am right there with you pennhunter. I have hunted deer in the hills of Tennessee for over 30 years, my closest guesstimate is that I have killed about 100 deer and I have only shot at one deer that I can say for sure was over 100 yards away. I killed her offhand with a muzzleloader as I topped a ridge and had a treestand on my back.

The average deer is taken at 16 yards here, according to the TWRA. A .357 will do. We outlawed killing hogs last year, they think the hunting season just motivates people to ship in illegal animals. I had to drive three hours to find one anyway...

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from ishawooa wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

The only two hogs I ever shot were directly below my deer stand about 35 and 36 years ago. My old M-27 8 3/8 with a 125 Sierra worked fine on both occasions requiring one head shot each. I shot a Marlin .357 back in the eighties when a friend acquired one. I thought it was a very neat gun and really liked it as I do all Marlins. I just didn't see a need for the '94 Marlin in Wyoming. Sure wish I had bought one back then as it was hard to beat for sheer close up plinking pleasure.

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from Treestand wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

Some one has been looking in to my Gun Safe!
I have Too 1894 Marlins one in 41Mag/C and 44Mag/P,a Ruger flat-top 41mag,Glock M/30 in 10mm. Never had much use for the Marlin 357Mag,I found the 41 or 44Magnum would do a better job in deep woods and swamps of Florida.
As for the Hand Guns the Glock/30 packs better then the 41Mag Ruger and the M-1894P(16.5)Bbl totes better then the 1894C(20")It all comes down to What works best for YOU.

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from Treestand wrote 45 weeks 5 days ago

*TWO*

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 45 weeks 4 days ago

Pennhunter, you must be Al"never sell" Borland!

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from Longrifle wrote 45 weeks 3 days ago

A pistol is best used to aid in retrieving the rifle you foolishly left behind.

Have never hunted hogs, but I believe any time you are going to take a poke at something that may poke back you should use enough gun!

Would take the rifle, with a sling so I could sling it and climb with both hands!

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from pcspecht wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Really??? Like . . . really??? 10mm??? Sure you didn't mean . . . I don't know. . .41 mag. maybe?? This is just . . . The word "dumb" comes as a kinder version of the others that leap to mind.
Enough already with the Marlin's. Yes, there a fine platform. Yes, they have been around awhile. Yes, a lot of people have one. .......... But enough already. How about putting it up against a real "Brush" gun? How about the Ruger .44 Carbine perhaps the best brush popper ever made or any pump or auto 12ga? Slug or buck..... You want a pistol, try it against the Ruger .41 Blackhawk. You have heard of "apples for apples"??
Who makes these unrealistic choices and match ups? From some of the lopsided, mismatched pairings that have appeared here it would not surprise me to see a future blog about "The use of the .458 Alaskan rifle for barking squirrels". That would fit right in on this down hill slope.
As I have made my living and feed my family over the years by guiding and hunting I may be taking this more seriously than it is intended. If I have missed the joke please forgive me. I had thought that this was a more serious forum for those serious about their sport and livelihood. Instead it seems that it's more about the dumb thing humans can do or think about.
I'll continue to check in on this Blog. For the most part the writing is good and in general the subject matter is in step with the sport. But when I comes to these match up's I'm thinking it needs to be tightened up and made for the real world.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

I wouldn't use a .357 to kill any game animal that I really cared about killing. And to think of walking around in the bush after hogs and armed with nothing but a pistol ... well, that sends shivers up my spine. I take a few chances when I'm hunting but I'm always prepared for the worst. My "chances" do not include going less-than-prepared! We have whipped the dead horse on here countless times about the virtues, or rather lack thereof, of carrying a "backup" pistol, especially when hunting something that's dangerous. By the time one can drop the killing gun (presumably it has somehow become dysfunctional?) and draw a handgun, it's lights out anyway.

I can't stand Glocks of any ilk and though the Marlin might do "okay" as a deer gun, in my opinion the range of .357 is too limited for it to be useful for that purpose even if it is shot out of a rifle barrel. I expect that the hunter would too often have opportunities for 150-200 yard shots that he would too often try to make with that gun. Carry something perhaps less decorative that can kill deer close range AND out there a ways if the need arises.

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