



May 23, 2013
Q&A: David E. Petzal Answers Your Questions About Reloading, Sectional Density of Bullets, and Anniversary Gifts
By David E. Petzal
Q: What is the most demanding game animal for a rifleman?
—Cole Karsins, Pine Bluff, Arkansas
A: Your question is vague and imprecise. You need to focus. In terms of which North American big-game animal have I seen the most lead flung at in vain, it’s the antelope. That’s because they’re small, and always in the open, and people think you have to shoot at them from a long way off. The highest number of consecutive misses at one goat that I know of is 19, at a yearling buck that was 100 yards away.
Q: What would you suggest for a newbie looking to reload? I'm leaning toward a setup from Hornady, but it's a pretty intimidating step.
-Creek Chub, from the Gun Nuts blog
A: All the equipment out there is good. What you need to do first is find an experienced handloader who will answer the hundred and one questions that will come up the first day, and thereafter. Find someone who has all 10 fingers and is willing to share his knowledge.
Q: I don't know what to get my wife for our anniversary, a .280 Remington or a cedar chest. Your choice?
—Jesse Bratton, Ephraim, Utah
A: On one hand, it’s tough to fold up blankets and store them in a .280 Remington. On the other, the effective range of a cedar chest is what, across the room? I vote for the .280.
Q: Why do hunters care about the sectional density of a bullet, which relates to its ability to penetrate only if the bullet remains cylindrical? Because rifle bullets mushroom on impact, isn't sectional density irrelevant?
—Bammer, from the Gun Nuts blog
A: Hunters need to care about something, just as baseball fans need to care about batting averages, or football fanatics about quarterback efficiency ratings. Sectional density is as silly and worthless a concern as any I can think of, so it does very nicely. Personally, I don’t pay any attention to it.
Q: What do you think of hearing enhancers? My hearing aids are not made for the subtle sounds of game animals.
—Leon Cox, Madison, Ohio
A: I have lots of experience here. What you don’t want is the kind of hearing enhancers you get for $40 over the counter. What you do want is the kind you get at an audiologist, who will make a mold of your ear so the things fit your ear canal, and therefore work. Mine are made by Magnum Ear. I think they cost around $1,000 when I got them, and I could not hunt without them. They let you hear all the little noises but block out rifle noise.
Q: Is there any reason to choose a standard .270 over a .270 WSM? What are the best barrel lengths for each?
—Ryan Peterson, Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada
A: I can think of one reason to choose the latter over the former—200 fps more velocity. I can think of the following reasons to go with a standard .270: a cheaper and far wider selection of ammo, longer barrel life, less kick, less muzzle blast, and the final one, the fact that a standard .270 does just fine with a 22-inch barrel, but a .270 WSM needs 2 inches more tube to make any sense.
From the May, 2013 issue of Field & Stream
Comments (24)
Loved every second of this read.
Is Dave on vacation? Reruns from the rag are appearing on my computer, must be a glitch. Either that or he was taken out by a drone... hmmmm the 380 yard miss is starting to make more sense.
I knew he was getting too political for the current state of our union. I guess an IRS audit just wasn't enough to intimidate the nasty old ba$tard.
So Dave you were antelope hunting with McManus? Everyone make it home in one piece?
Probably the most physically demanding North American game animal would have to be just about any of the wild sheep (native species). I always wanted to shoot one. Now that I have the time and money I no longer have the need for the meat. And I don't hold with shooting something just to shoot it. Damned shame I'm so principled. Always wanted to go to Africa too. Sigh!
Ontario Honker,
Why not send some of your money my way and I'll go hunt Africa for you since I have neither money, or principles.
I don't know where hizzoner DEP chases antelope, but I've never had to shoot any further than about 150 yards.
Sectional density became a hot item when Jim Carmichel was shilling his 6.5 Panther/.260 Remington. Full metal jacketed 160-grain 6.5's did indeed penetrate the skulls of elephants. But you won't be shooting solids in North America, and not in that bullet weight. And once the bullet expands, SD changes. There you go.
John Barsness always liked to write about the longest shot he ever made at antelope; with his grandmother's plain vanilla Remington Model 722 in .257 Roberts. 427 yards I think. It's 400+ definitely, with a 7 at the end.
And John's .257 Roberts always shot varmint weight bullets at 3,500 fps and deer hunting bullets at 3,000 fps. And if your .257 isn't making the same velocities, JB would like to see your rifles!
Enjoyed with a few chuckles but especially about the hearing protection.
Ontario Honker and principled hunters everywhere - something to think about...
1) When you keep game meat for human consumption, the valuable nutrients from the carcass end up in your septic tank and drain field, never to be seen or used again.
2) When a trophy consists of horns and skull or hide and the carcass is left in the field, the nutrients are spread over the land by nature's clean-up crews to fertilize the land for future generations.
3) Which is the better outcome? Which is the greater waste?
Dave, when you going to build that 30 caliber Thunder****** ?
What I figured, the optimal sight in would be about 450 yards. At 200 & 300 yards, it would be 4.2 inches high still within MOP!
Like to be dar to see this!
kudukid: "Nutrients" don't just disappear in the septic tank. Most are leached into the soil in the same manner that they are if a carcass is left in the field or when my dog craps on the back yard. The septic system just ensures that nutrients are dispersed safely with harmful bacteria regulated in a controlled environment, something that doesn't always happen with a carcass left in the field.
Kudukid,
That is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. The nutrients from game animals, if taken for meat end up in more that just the sewer. Nutrient from the guts and bones are left in the field and the amino acids, calories and saturated fat are taken in by anyone who consumes the animals muscles.
Ontario Hunter:
Nutrients "leached into the soil" are leached 2 feet under. Guts and bones left in the field are utilized as nutrients in a very short time...not so the meat consumed by us, which is buried forever in our drain fields.
When your dog craps in the fields, that is immediately available to the surroundings.
Hopefully, treated sewage ends up as fertilizer somewhere, but that is not nearly as efficient as being re-used at the point of origin.
Gtbigsky:
Is it really ridiculous or just something you never thought of before? I'm well aware of the universally accepted idea that if a food source of game isn't consumed by people, it is considered a terrible waste. Couldn't it also be a waste if not returned where it came from. Generally the nutrients contained in our sewers is not a good thing when it reaches the outside environment.
And I thought that missing 3 different coyotes at 100 yards was bad...
Dave,
I've used Walker Game Ears for about 15 years. They've sense changed hands and parts are becoming hard to get. Like you, I won't hunt without the best hearing protection for what little hearing I have left. Thank you for mentioning Magnum Ear. I never heard of them, but I plan on getting a set.
The Game Ears are mainly behind the ear. I'm thinking more about in the ear. Are you wearing in the ear, or behind the ear. I'm curious what style you're using, and why you picked that one.
Thanks,
mikeb
Some days I wake up with a ringing in my ears and it stays all day. Will the electronic devices do anything for this or should I quit eating a pound of bacon for dinner?
Regarding the question about a proper anniversary gift for the wife - Good God man, guns and cedar chests are great, but give her some fine jewelry; or take her on a trip. She might actually believe you still think she is special.
OFF topic: why do custom 1911 makers/builders and 1911 mass-production factories like Kimber, Springfield Armory, etc. prefer the 'classic 1911' straight mainspring housing and long trigger over the US Army's own '1911A1' curved mainspring and short trigger? Didn't the Army mandate the changes to A1 for a reason?
$1,000 for hearing aid....or $250.00 for Game ear..Hmmmm
New Gun or loss of hearing..Hmmm, I vote for a New Gun, may be the new Rem 1911R1 Carry...Hmmmmm.
Teaching a 13 year old girl to shoot using a Remington
model 552 in 22LR. Is it best to start by using iron
sights or a scope?
Catfish,
Post your question under the 'answers' tab on the main page and you will get a lot more response.
Start with irons. Sort of like learning to drive a manual transmission before driving an automatic. You may not need to do it all the time, but you may someday. Irons are more fun with a .22 anyway......
Does anyone know why David P. prefers the heavier for caliber 150 grain bullet for the .280 instead of the more popular 140 grain? I'm sure he has a reason but I have not heard him mention it. I get great accuracy with 140 grain bullets and wonder what the 150 does better that offsets the loss of velocity, even though it is not a lot. I don't see David making the same statement about a 140 grain for the .270. Would like to know what his thinking is.
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Ontario Honker,
Why not send some of your money my way and I'll go hunt Africa for you since I have neither money, or principles.
Is Dave on vacation? Reruns from the rag are appearing on my computer, must be a glitch. Either that or he was taken out by a drone... hmmmm the 380 yard miss is starting to make more sense.
I knew he was getting too political for the current state of our union. I guess an IRS audit just wasn't enough to intimidate the nasty old ba$tard.
So Dave you were antelope hunting with McManus? Everyone make it home in one piece?
Kudukid,
That is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. The nutrients from game animals, if taken for meat end up in more that just the sewer. Nutrient from the guts and bones are left in the field and the amino acids, calories and saturated fat are taken in by anyone who consumes the animals muscles.
Loved every second of this read.
I don't know where hizzoner DEP chases antelope, but I've never had to shoot any further than about 150 yards.
Sectional density became a hot item when Jim Carmichel was shilling his 6.5 Panther/.260 Remington. Full metal jacketed 160-grain 6.5's did indeed penetrate the skulls of elephants. But you won't be shooting solids in North America, and not in that bullet weight. And once the bullet expands, SD changes. There you go.
John Barsness always liked to write about the longest shot he ever made at antelope; with his grandmother's plain vanilla Remington Model 722 in .257 Roberts. 427 yards I think. It's 400+ definitely, with a 7 at the end.
And John's .257 Roberts always shot varmint weight bullets at 3,500 fps and deer hunting bullets at 3,000 fps. And if your .257 isn't making the same velocities, JB would like to see your rifles!
Enjoyed with a few chuckles but especially about the hearing protection.
Dave, when you going to build that 30 caliber Thunder****** ?
What I figured, the optimal sight in would be about 450 yards. At 200 & 300 yards, it would be 4.2 inches high still within MOP!
Like to be dar to see this!
Ontario Hunter:
Nutrients "leached into the soil" are leached 2 feet under. Guts and bones left in the field are utilized as nutrients in a very short time...not so the meat consumed by us, which is buried forever in our drain fields.
When your dog craps in the fields, that is immediately available to the surroundings.
Hopefully, treated sewage ends up as fertilizer somewhere, but that is not nearly as efficient as being re-used at the point of origin.
Gtbigsky:
Is it really ridiculous or just something you never thought of before? I'm well aware of the universally accepted idea that if a food source of game isn't consumed by people, it is considered a terrible waste. Couldn't it also be a waste if not returned where it came from. Generally the nutrients contained in our sewers is not a good thing when it reaches the outside environment.
And I thought that missing 3 different coyotes at 100 yards was bad...
Dave,
I've used Walker Game Ears for about 15 years. They've sense changed hands and parts are becoming hard to get. Like you, I won't hunt without the best hearing protection for what little hearing I have left. Thank you for mentioning Magnum Ear. I never heard of them, but I plan on getting a set.
The Game Ears are mainly behind the ear. I'm thinking more about in the ear. Are you wearing in the ear, or behind the ear. I'm curious what style you're using, and why you picked that one.
Thanks,
mikeb
Some days I wake up with a ringing in my ears and it stays all day. Will the electronic devices do anything for this or should I quit eating a pound of bacon for dinner?
Regarding the question about a proper anniversary gift for the wife - Good God man, guns and cedar chests are great, but give her some fine jewelry; or take her on a trip. She might actually believe you still think she is special.
OFF topic: why do custom 1911 makers/builders and 1911 mass-production factories like Kimber, Springfield Armory, etc. prefer the 'classic 1911' straight mainspring housing and long trigger over the US Army's own '1911A1' curved mainspring and short trigger? Didn't the Army mandate the changes to A1 for a reason?
$1,000 for hearing aid....or $250.00 for Game ear..Hmmmm
New Gun or loss of hearing..Hmmm, I vote for a New Gun, may be the new Rem 1911R1 Carry...Hmmmmm.
Teaching a 13 year old girl to shoot using a Remington
model 552 in 22LR. Is it best to start by using iron
sights or a scope?
Catfish,
Post your question under the 'answers' tab on the main page and you will get a lot more response.
Start with irons. Sort of like learning to drive a manual transmission before driving an automatic. You may not need to do it all the time, but you may someday. Irons are more fun with a .22 anyway......
Does anyone know why David P. prefers the heavier for caliber 150 grain bullet for the .280 instead of the more popular 140 grain? I'm sure he has a reason but I have not heard him mention it. I get great accuracy with 140 grain bullets and wonder what the 150 does better that offsets the loss of velocity, even though it is not a lot. I don't see David making the same statement about a 140 grain for the .270. Would like to know what his thinking is.
Probably the most physically demanding North American game animal would have to be just about any of the wild sheep (native species). I always wanted to shoot one. Now that I have the time and money I no longer have the need for the meat. And I don't hold with shooting something just to shoot it. Damned shame I'm so principled. Always wanted to go to Africa too. Sigh!
Ontario Honker and principled hunters everywhere - something to think about...
1) When you keep game meat for human consumption, the valuable nutrients from the carcass end up in your septic tank and drain field, never to be seen or used again.
2) When a trophy consists of horns and skull or hide and the carcass is left in the field, the nutrients are spread over the land by nature's clean-up crews to fertilize the land for future generations.
3) Which is the better outcome? Which is the greater waste?
kudukid: "Nutrients" don't just disappear in the septic tank. Most are leached into the soil in the same manner that they are if a carcass is left in the field or when my dog craps on the back yard. The septic system just ensures that nutrients are dispersed safely with harmful bacteria regulated in a controlled environment, something that doesn't always happen with a carcass left in the field.
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