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June 13, 2013

Have We Reached the Tipping Point?

By David E. Petzal

As the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson once observed, societies can keep people in check only up to a point. When more people than the cops can handle get cheesed off about something it can cause the dissolution of a large and well established police state (the U.S.S.R.), at least three revolutions (American, French, and Russian) and issue-based insurrections too numerous to count. Did anyone drive 55 mph when Jimmy Carter told us to? Did anyone pass up a drink during Prohibition? Did anyone foreswear the reefer because Nancy Reagan told us to just say no?

Now, we may be on the verge of a new era when firearms laws may be collapsing under the weight of consumer demand. In Maine, the state police are so buried under concealed-carry applications (and Maine is not a pain in the ass about this) that it can take 150 days to receive your permit. In Maryland, during the first four months of 2013, the state police had received more than 57,000 applications for guns—more than had come in during 2008 to 2011. The backlog currently stands at 26,547.

This is because we have been assured over and over by people whom we do not believe that no one wants to take our guns. These assurances are coming from the first American president to condemn his fellow citizens to death without charges or a trial, Congressmen who knew we were being spied on but chose to keep quiet until the story broke, and our endlessly amusing Vice President. Gun owners behold this bunch and say, “Are you s**tting me? I’m buying an AR today!”

Where will this all go? During World War II, when strict rationing was supposedly in place for things like tires, meat, gasoline, and coffee, there arose two classes of buyers. One stood in line, saved their coupons, and mostly did without, and the other bought on the black market, no coupons, no limits, no lines. We may see something like this among gun buyers. It will be fun to watch.

And: I would like to take this occasion to apologize to whoever at the NSA is reading my e-mails (I don’t use the phone) for the dullness of my correspondence. I’d like to give you something racier and more seditious, but I’m old and tired, and the best I can manage is a week’s worth of e-mails to Bill Heavey on how to install a red-dot sight on a Smith & Wesson Model 41.

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from aferraro wrote 2 days 5 hours ago

Politicians who think they can ignore supply and demand will fail. Weather it's liberals trying to restrict guns or my own party's silly continuation of the drug war. It's just a question of how much damage they do to the country before the inevitable happens.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 days 5 hours ago

I hope this country doesn't forget for a long time (as long as it takes to repay trillions of wasteful spending) what liberal pinheads do when vested with power. No patriotism, no values, no beliefs other than political "correctness” as the Progressive Left ideology comes unglued.

It’s sad the American Masses swallowed the attacks on religion, on God in our school, on abortion regulation, on immigration control, on an attempt to socialize health care through ObamaCare, on failed foreign policy, and even murder of our men in Benghazi and IRS abuse.
It took trying to take their guns to wake them up and to move.

I should be happy my fellows finally saw the scam but think how close it came to losing a country. Very sad commentary on values in the country. And even sadder commentary on how and what these left wing scumbags would try to destroy a nation.

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from RonDak wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

Because the Republican led country is so much better. Thousands killed in unnecessary war, holier-then thou attitudes that led to limited research on stem cells, homophobic policy, a collapsed economy. Oh yeah, and no money wasted at all. Everything they spent on was perfect. No waste at all. Did you know that Iraq was actually free. Who knew?

You are viewing the world through a very limited point of view Mark-1. Get out and listen to other points of view. Start a discussion.

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from berniedog wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

It's not about being liberal or conservative (I often find myself on both sides depending on the issue), but what it's about is common sense. The problem being, there is a major lack of it in our country and our leaders.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

Bin Laden is the only guy I can recall who was condemned to death without trial. Hardly a citizen! We shoot rats, gophers, raccoons, and other vermin. That mass murderer scum bag doesn't even rate as vermin in my book. Anyway, people get killed in wars without a trial. That's usually the way they are conducted. And this is a "war on terrorism." Or so sayeth George W. Bush.

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from smccardell wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

It's not about left or right, dem or repub, educated or uneducated... It's the people, Mom and Pops, Senators, Congressmen, Businessmen, who think it perfectly acceptable, out of fear, to sacrifice that we we have fought and died for. Sadly it seems one day we will have to fight and die for them again, but this time it will be against our own Country instead of a foreign nation...

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from bubbaman44 wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

I believe that we have indeed reached a tipping point, especially in regards to home state. Current Maryland law states that once the mandatory waiting period of 7 days has passed, firearms dealers can use their own judgement and release the gun to the buyer whether the background check has come in or not. More and more gun dealers are releasing guns before the background checks have come in. What we are seeing is law abiding gun owners finally standing together, both retailers and buyers. I believe Maryland will see more and more of its residents hard earned money spent in gun friendly states, and as a result continue to lose both residents and subsequent tax revenue.

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from SMC1986 wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

Current estimates on MD wait times are over 100 days. And no that is not for a carry permit, that is for a "regulated weapons" purchase. As bubba mentioned some dealers are doing limited 8th day releases. The rush is to buy everything you need prior to the new law being implemented on Oct 1. Especially since the state is yet to release guidance on how to obtain a permit once the law goes into effect. I fear MD gun buyers are in for years of pain due to this. Hopefully we will prevail in court.

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from CL3 wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

It's not the Statue of Security standing in the harbor, it's the Statue of LIBERTY.

Now get back to your "Reality TV" shows...

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

Ontario, Obama has used drones to kill four American citizens so far. No trial, no charges. Eric Holder says it would hypothetically be legal to kill Americans on American soil with drones. This is the Attorney General who is supposed to be policing Obama and keeping things like phone tapping and targeting by the IRS from happening.

Fun to watch? Buy the ticket, take the ride Dave...
“Freedom is something that dies unless it's used.”
― Hunter S. Thompson

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from Steward wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

...there is some discussion about whether a natural-born citizen who goes to another country and attacks American forces or American interests has, through his actions voluntary revoked his citizenship. I can't name the laws, but it is one thing I have been hearing about. Using drones on Americans in America? Think again. Any laws that apply to personal property,search and seizure, etc, should apply to the use of drones.

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from Safado wrote 2 days 2 hours ago

Any post that uses a Hunter S. Thompson quote must be read. My personal favorite is: "When the going gets wierd the wierd get going".
I agree with Dave I do think we have reached a tipping point. I recently bought a stripped AR lower so that I legally build one (through grandfathering the lower) if a ban becomes the law. I really don't want one but I don't like the government telling me I can't have one!I just heard that the Nut Job that just shot up Santa Monica College may have built his AR because legally he could not buy one!
Regarding using drones on Americans:
An "American" that fights against Americans on foreign soil is a traitor! I thought the punishment for treason during wartime was death! If he's on the field of battle who cares whether he gets a trial. That's from someone most people on this site would consider liberal.

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from CL3 wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

"In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are f***ed until we can put our acts together: Not necessarily to Win, but mainly to keep from Losing Completely." - HST

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from labrador12 wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

I think people should remember that back in the 1960s and 1970s when there were riots in the cities and big anti-war demonstrations things were calmer than today. At any point in those days anyone could walk into a hardware or sporting goods store and buy as much ammo, or any gun that he wanted to buy. I can't help wondering why the government seems to be ramping up its attacks on people who support the Constitution? Why aren't the people in the IRS, and the EPA, and the Justice Dept being fired over their transgressions? Is it because the WWII guys are gone and the government thinks we are all wussies?

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from FirstBubba wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

DEP

Bombs.
Terrorist.
Jihad.
Plot.
Islam.

Now they'll read your post!
No thanks necessary! LOL!

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from RJ Arena wrote 2 days 53 min ago

I'll tell you the tipping point, my brother in N.J. sent me a link about a guy pulled over by the authorities, he had a 3" knife in his pocket(which they called a "dagger") and a 10' knife in his car(which they called a "machete") and they arrested him on weapons charges!!!He did not threaten anyone, it does not matter, the way the laws are written in that state, the police can claim any thing is a weapon if they choose.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 2 days 27 min ago

If anyone wants to know if those nerds in the White house and Capital (including Congress) will tell the truth just ask them if they have ever broken the law. You will know right off whether or not they will tell the truth.

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from 99explorer wrote 1 day 23 hours ago

It's time to clean out the barn.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 day 22 hours ago

True most of the Americans killed were terrorists, yet still citizens and therefore subject to due process of the law. But one was a 16 year old boy who was born in Denver and was killed because his father had taken up with Al Qaeda, yet he had not seen his father in two years and had no terrorist ties. He was killed two weeks after his father.

Obama adviser Robert Gibbs actually defended the killing by saying that the boy should have had a more responsible father. Tipping point anyone?

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from buckstopper wrote 1 day 21 hours ago

It was actually Tricky Dicky Nixon that gave us the 55mph highway speeds, 68 degree heat, cold water washing and long gas lines during the Arab oil embargo in 1973. Carter gave us long gas lines in '77 with the "Windfall Profits Tax" and 21% interest rates in '80. Same 'ol, same 'ol clowns in power now gonna fix everything they screwed up.....yeah right! Good thing I bought up bricks of .22's long time ago. Ain't got much hope but change is a comin'.

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from miller73 wrote 1 day 20 hours ago

i am completely fed up with the liberals! saying there gonna fix everything but all they do is screw things up!!! 1776 is gonna come again in the next few years!!

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from coachsjike wrote 1 day 19 hours ago

what happens when too many wolves populate an area? the food supply runs out and they eventually feed on each other! or sometimes a hunter has to come in to thin out the pack. either way this needs to happen before things get better.

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from Longbeard wrote 1 day 19 hours ago

Dave Petzal quoting Hunter Thompson...now I've seen everything!

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 day 18 hours ago

"Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom or security."

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from Wapiti wrote 1 day 17 hours ago

At the risk of revealing myself to be an HST nerd, the true quote is, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." If things don't change, we are truly headed for weird times.

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from Treestand wrote 1 day 14 hours ago

Ditto~~99E
Its way past the time to clean out the Barn!Its time to thin-out the Wolf Pack.

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from MReeder wrote 1 day 12 hours ago

I think we may be at the tipping point of seeing a new political party being born; either by reconstituting the GOP or by splitting away from it and reforming along more libertarian lines.
I've always said that I'm a Republican only because anarchism isn't socially acceptable and the Libertarian Party isn't electorally viable. But when establishment figures in the GOP like Boehner are angered more about a leak that revealed everyone's 4th Amendment rights are being trampled on than he is about the dismemberment of the 4th Amendment, it doesn't leave you much of anywhere to go. Based on polls, at least 85-percent if not 90-percent of the GOP rank & file, and about 2/3 of independents, are up in arms; literally and figuratively. Either the GOP will follow new leaders like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz or regular voters will follow them out the door.
My original political hero was Barry Goldwater, and that's the kind of person we need right now. Someone who will keep us militarily strong but only intervene somewhere when our genuine national interests are a stake; who will adhere to the WHOLE Constitution and the original intent of the Founders, rather than what some politicians or judges trying to chart a course around it reinterpret it to say; and someone with genuine principles who will tell the truth, let the chips fall where they may and put an end to the classified secrecy that is proving to the real, last refuge of scoundrels.
The very first thing someone like that should do is disassemble that data information-gathering monstrosity they're building in Utah brick-by-brick, and let it go back to being mule deer habitat. This is America, not the old USSR, and we don't need the equivalent of the KGB to keep us "safe." Intentions have nothing to do with it. Give any central government that kind of power and you can absolutely guarantee it will be abused, and your liberty eroded.

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from rock rat wrote 1 day 11 hours ago

Sounds like you should have taken Nancy's advice.

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

Not everything is solved at the voting booth or the courtroom...from time to time the tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

That's what happened in 1776!

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from jim in nc wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

DEP:
Obama may be the first to order a hit on a specific American, but my father (a JAG officer) told me that there were a few US citizens in both the Wehrmacht and the Japanese army in WWII. Did FDR or the Uniform Code of Military Justice accord them due process? Maybe, vis-a-vis Al Quaeda et al., we should apply military rules of engagement, not civil judicial practice.

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from brhall wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

I am very thankful that we live in a country where we can vote the leaders out of office instead of having to take up arms against them.

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from tom warner wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

The entire discussion we are having in our country and in this thread has been caused by our massively simpleminded reaction and over-reaction to 9/11. The word stupidity does not begin to characterize it. This debacle might be said to have changed our entire culture in awful ways. I find it difficult to believe that our politicians could have been so inept: and that so many Americans could be so blind as to have bought into their ham-fisted response to a crime perpetrated what amounted to a tiny handful of common criminals. Our nation is now in the hands of lunatics to whom common sense is a unfamiliar term and now threaten to destroy everything we have come to think America means,...or once meant. These people are the true terrorists. Tipping point? We passed that long ago. Bin Laden has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

Gees, I can't believe someone would ding that fellow with red ink for saying he's thankful for the vote! Some of you wannabe revolutionaries talk a real big game without ever having been able to play it before. When you have to watch your loved ones die or worse yet, have to kill someone else's, it doesn't take long for it to register that fixing things with violence only makes for a worse situation than what you've got now. But by then it's too late.

My dad would never talk about his experiences in the South Pacific during WWII. Few true heroes will. Because a true hero is bothered by killing other people. At least after the fact. As soldiers they are trained to not think about killing or think about it in a positive way when they are doing it. But when it's all over and done with the inhumanity comes back to haunt. I knew many men who saw combat in the Vietnam War who afterwards stayed in the military because they couldn't face up to their inhumanity. I know a young man who is back in Afghanistan now for his third tour for the same reason. His dad is my best friend and he is so concerned about that fella. Not for his safety so much as for his mental health. But civil wars are the worst. They leave massive scars that don't go away for hundreds of years and often lead to the end of a country or a culture. And people without an identity have no hope and no reason. That is the most dangerous situation in the world. You guys really haven't a clue. The vote is the ONLY option outside of self-destruction.

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

We call our 1776 conflict the "Revolutionary War".
In fact it was a civil war.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

To Jim in NC: To the best of my knowledge, if you are an American citizen who puts on the uniform of a belligerent nation and swears an oath to defend it, all bets are off. You are officially an enemy combatant, and that's the end of it.

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from omarfishesalot wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

well said Ontario Honker, for them the war is all well and good but then a family memeber dies and they begin to regret it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

Labrador12,
Well said, sir!

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 4 hours ago

There are many countries in the World where uprising against a repressive government is all but impossible because the populations have been completely disarmed...North Korea, Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe, and China are typical examples.

For now, America is an exception.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 1 day 4 hours ago

Excellent essay, Mr. Petzal, one of your best ever.

In this light, let us ponder for a moment the actions of our all-American senator, Diane Feinstein. This is the person who, on the one hand, openly intends (and has attempted) to deprive every American of his or her firearms. This is also the same person who, on the other hand, and as head of the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee, openly supports our Government and its intelligence agencies, in their collective efforts to invade the privacy of every American, ignore (and erase) the 4th Amendment, read our emails, collect anything we write on the internet and monitor our phones, as well as look the other way when the Director of National Intelligence commits perjury during a congressional hearing--e.g., when Mr. Clapper made his "least untruthful statement."

Just how un-American can a sitting U.S. Senator be? Just how un-American--as in unconstitutional, unethical, invasive, dirty, illegal and underhanded--can our Government--and its intelligence agencies--be toward the very citizens that Government (and its agencies--and its President) are required by rule of law to serve, to protect and obey?

Mr. Petzal, perhaps The Tipping Point has already been reached in many things in our country.

TWD

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

T.W. Davidson
Precisely! How about government "officials" giving us their most truthful statements instead - the whole truth and nothing but the truth - and not giving us "It depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

We have our free speech attacked by the IRS and the person responsible (and whose salary we are still paying while she goes on vacation)pleads the 5th.

This tipping point has long since turned into an avalanche!

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from Safado wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

Wapiti,
Thank you and I stand corrected!

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from jim in nc wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

DP: Quite true. So how would you categorize Anwar al-Awlaki--enemy combatant/fair game or citizen owed due process?

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from stjohn52 wrote 1 day 32 min ago

Misters Petzal and Heavey exchanging emails (about anything!)... where's the link for the download?
Or do I have to ask the NSA for the transcript?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 day 23 min ago

jim in nc,
I'll answer that for Petzal:
Anwar al-Awlaki = Target

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from SoCalGunNut wrote 1 day 21 min ago

"you can't have 100 per cent security and also then have 100 per cent privacy" - Obama

Between the two I'll take 100% privacy, thank you very much.

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from elmer f. wrote 23 hours 42 min ago

well, i would rather trust a wolf to watch my kids for the weekend, than i would trust our government to do ANYTHING that is actually GOOD for this country. the current batch of so called "politicians" are as trustworthy, as any venomous viper in the world. in fact, they really do remind me of each other. we have a very good reason to fear these "people". they want our guns, so they can do much more dastardly things than they are already doing. and what they are doing now is really enough to be called TREASON. i can not say that each and every individual in Washington dc, is guilty of treason, but i would be willing to bet that the devil is a very, happy camper up there! if the Founding Fathers were alive, you would not be able to see across any street there either. there would be so much smoke from the black powder, that not even the White House would have clean air to breathe. i am in no way stating that "We, The People", should be at war with the current administration. but, i am very surprised it has not happened already. i know there are many a good man in this country, and an equal amount of good women. however, not a one of them are even ABLE to run for ANY political arena in the big league. "they", have kept that from happening for many, many years. no one of any virtue, will ever hold a high office in this land, until the political machine that is now running this country, has been disassembled, and demolished..

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from swatjob357 wrote 22 hours 42 min ago

I want all you guys on my side when the s*#t hits the fan and I believe it will not be long.
The regime seems to be dead set to destroy our constitution and it will not be long before the people will rebel!

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from Gunny Bob wrote 16 hours 47 min ago

You simpletons! The NSA monitors anti-Obamanista blogs such as this and now all of you who were not already being monitored are sure as hell being monitored now. Only a buffoon would post anything here.

Oh, wait...

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from nc30-06 wrote 7 hours 28 min ago

I will take the freedom to provide my own security. There is no security without freedom.

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from RJ Arena wrote 5 hours 49 min ago

It was funny the Obama quote, no one called him on the 100% security line,(everyone is focusing on the liberty line) since when have we had 100% security? and has he proposed anything that would provide that? I think it was typical yo what he says- it sounds good when he says it, but it doesn't mean very much.
Tell me, how safe does it make you feel to have to take off your shoes to get on a plane?
I have a very simple security answer- no carry on larger than a small bag(that can be searched easily), profile the hell out of fliers-if we are being attack by grannies from Finland, then that is who you profile. If it is young men from Muslim countries, than so be it.
do not apologize!!!! and you do not have to IF YOU ARE CONSISTENT!!!!!

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from wisc14 wrote 2 hours 18 min ago

it's amazing how brainwashed extremist republicans and extremist liberals are! that is the problem with this country.

if you like to hunt and fish on wild, pristine public lands like me then you are pretty much screwed. extreme liberals want to take away guns and would love nothing more than to close off public lands to hunting and recreational shooting. extreme republicans see public lands as only good if they are plunged and raped for energy extraciton or for mining of materials. if it can't be mined then sell it to some rich guy!

problem is most of the people we are voting in are extremists

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from buckhunter wrote 2 sec ago

Dave, There is one thing about your essay which has me puzzled. Why is Heavey putting red dot sights on his Mod 41? Is the poor man losing his eyesight or does he just dislike the gun that much?

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from berniedog wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

It's not about being liberal or conservative (I often find myself on both sides depending on the issue), but what it's about is common sense. The problem being, there is a major lack of it in our country and our leaders.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 days 5 hours ago

I hope this country doesn't forget for a long time (as long as it takes to repay trillions of wasteful spending) what liberal pinheads do when vested with power. No patriotism, no values, no beliefs other than political "correctness” as the Progressive Left ideology comes unglued.

It’s sad the American Masses swallowed the attacks on religion, on God in our school, on abortion regulation, on immigration control, on an attempt to socialize health care through ObamaCare, on failed foreign policy, and even murder of our men in Benghazi and IRS abuse.
It took trying to take their guns to wake them up and to move.

I should be happy my fellows finally saw the scam but think how close it came to losing a country. Very sad commentary on values in the country. And even sadder commentary on how and what these left wing scumbags would try to destroy a nation.

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from smccardell wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

It's not about left or right, dem or repub, educated or uneducated... It's the people, Mom and Pops, Senators, Congressmen, Businessmen, who think it perfectly acceptable, out of fear, to sacrifice that we we have fought and died for. Sadly it seems one day we will have to fight and die for them again, but this time it will be against our own Country instead of a foreign nation...

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from labrador12 wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

I think people should remember that back in the 1960s and 1970s when there were riots in the cities and big anti-war demonstrations things were calmer than today. At any point in those days anyone could walk into a hardware or sporting goods store and buy as much ammo, or any gun that he wanted to buy. I can't help wondering why the government seems to be ramping up its attacks on people who support the Constitution? Why aren't the people in the IRS, and the EPA, and the Justice Dept being fired over their transgressions? Is it because the WWII guys are gone and the government thinks we are all wussies?

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from 99explorer wrote 1 day 23 hours ago

It's time to clean out the barn.

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from aferraro wrote 2 days 5 hours ago

Politicians who think they can ignore supply and demand will fail. Weather it's liberals trying to restrict guns or my own party's silly continuation of the drug war. It's just a question of how much damage they do to the country before the inevitable happens.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

Ontario, Obama has used drones to kill four American citizens so far. No trial, no charges. Eric Holder says it would hypothetically be legal to kill Americans on American soil with drones. This is the Attorney General who is supposed to be policing Obama and keeping things like phone tapping and targeting by the IRS from happening.

Fun to watch? Buy the ticket, take the ride Dave...
“Freedom is something that dies unless it's used.”
― Hunter S. Thompson

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from MReeder wrote 1 day 12 hours ago

I think we may be at the tipping point of seeing a new political party being born; either by reconstituting the GOP or by splitting away from it and reforming along more libertarian lines.
I've always said that I'm a Republican only because anarchism isn't socially acceptable and the Libertarian Party isn't electorally viable. But when establishment figures in the GOP like Boehner are angered more about a leak that revealed everyone's 4th Amendment rights are being trampled on than he is about the dismemberment of the 4th Amendment, it doesn't leave you much of anywhere to go. Based on polls, at least 85-percent if not 90-percent of the GOP rank & file, and about 2/3 of independents, are up in arms; literally and figuratively. Either the GOP will follow new leaders like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz or regular voters will follow them out the door.
My original political hero was Barry Goldwater, and that's the kind of person we need right now. Someone who will keep us militarily strong but only intervene somewhere when our genuine national interests are a stake; who will adhere to the WHOLE Constitution and the original intent of the Founders, rather than what some politicians or judges trying to chart a course around it reinterpret it to say; and someone with genuine principles who will tell the truth, let the chips fall where they may and put an end to the classified secrecy that is proving to the real, last refuge of scoundrels.
The very first thing someone like that should do is disassemble that data information-gathering monstrosity they're building in Utah brick-by-brick, and let it go back to being mule deer habitat. This is America, not the old USSR, and we don't need the equivalent of the KGB to keep us "safe." Intentions have nothing to do with it. Give any central government that kind of power and you can absolutely guarantee it will be abused, and your liberty eroded.

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from CL3 wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

It's not the Statue of Security standing in the harbor, it's the Statue of LIBERTY.

Now get back to your "Reality TV" shows...

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from RJ Arena wrote 2 days 53 min ago

I'll tell you the tipping point, my brother in N.J. sent me a link about a guy pulled over by the authorities, he had a 3" knife in his pocket(which they called a "dagger") and a 10' knife in his car(which they called a "machete") and they arrested him on weapons charges!!!He did not threaten anyone, it does not matter, the way the laws are written in that state, the police can claim any thing is a weapon if they choose.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 1 day 4 hours ago

Excellent essay, Mr. Petzal, one of your best ever.

In this light, let us ponder for a moment the actions of our all-American senator, Diane Feinstein. This is the person who, on the one hand, openly intends (and has attempted) to deprive every American of his or her firearms. This is also the same person who, on the other hand, and as head of the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee, openly supports our Government and its intelligence agencies, in their collective efforts to invade the privacy of every American, ignore (and erase) the 4th Amendment, read our emails, collect anything we write on the internet and monitor our phones, as well as look the other way when the Director of National Intelligence commits perjury during a congressional hearing--e.g., when Mr. Clapper made his "least untruthful statement."

Just how un-American can a sitting U.S. Senator be? Just how un-American--as in unconstitutional, unethical, invasive, dirty, illegal and underhanded--can our Government--and its intelligence agencies--be toward the very citizens that Government (and its agencies--and its President) are required by rule of law to serve, to protect and obey?

Mr. Petzal, perhaps The Tipping Point has already been reached in many things in our country.

TWD

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from swatjob357 wrote 22 hours 42 min ago

I want all you guys on my side when the s*#t hits the fan and I believe it will not be long.
The regime seems to be dead set to destroy our constitution and it will not be long before the people will rebel!

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from CL3 wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

"In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are f***ed until we can put our acts together: Not necessarily to Win, but mainly to keep from Losing Completely." - HST

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from Longbeard wrote 1 day 19 hours ago

Dave Petzal quoting Hunter Thompson...now I've seen everything!

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 day 18 hours ago

"Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom or security."

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from Wapiti wrote 1 day 17 hours ago

At the risk of revealing myself to be an HST nerd, the true quote is, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." If things don't change, we are truly headed for weird times.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 day 23 min ago

jim in nc,
I'll answer that for Petzal:
Anwar al-Awlaki = Target

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from SoCalGunNut wrote 1 day 21 min ago

"you can't have 100 per cent security and also then have 100 per cent privacy" - Obama

Between the two I'll take 100% privacy, thank you very much.

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from bubbaman44 wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

I believe that we have indeed reached a tipping point, especially in regards to home state. Current Maryland law states that once the mandatory waiting period of 7 days has passed, firearms dealers can use their own judgement and release the gun to the buyer whether the background check has come in or not. More and more gun dealers are releasing guns before the background checks have come in. What we are seeing is law abiding gun owners finally standing together, both retailers and buyers. I believe Maryland will see more and more of its residents hard earned money spent in gun friendly states, and as a result continue to lose both residents and subsequent tax revenue.

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from SMC1986 wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

Current estimates on MD wait times are over 100 days. And no that is not for a carry permit, that is for a "regulated weapons" purchase. As bubba mentioned some dealers are doing limited 8th day releases. The rush is to buy everything you need prior to the new law being implemented on Oct 1. Especially since the state is yet to release guidance on how to obtain a permit once the law goes into effect. I fear MD gun buyers are in for years of pain due to this. Hopefully we will prevail in court.

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from Safado wrote 2 days 2 hours ago

Any post that uses a Hunter S. Thompson quote must be read. My personal favorite is: "When the going gets wierd the wierd get going".
I agree with Dave I do think we have reached a tipping point. I recently bought a stripped AR lower so that I legally build one (through grandfathering the lower) if a ban becomes the law. I really don't want one but I don't like the government telling me I can't have one!I just heard that the Nut Job that just shot up Santa Monica College may have built his AR because legally he could not buy one!
Regarding using drones on Americans:
An "American" that fights against Americans on foreign soil is a traitor! I thought the punishment for treason during wartime was death! If he's on the field of battle who cares whether he gets a trial. That's from someone most people on this site would consider liberal.

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from FirstBubba wrote 2 days 1 hour ago

DEP

Bombs.
Terrorist.
Jihad.
Plot.
Islam.

Now they'll read your post!
No thanks necessary! LOL!

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 day 22 hours ago

True most of the Americans killed were terrorists, yet still citizens and therefore subject to due process of the law. But one was a 16 year old boy who was born in Denver and was killed because his father had taken up with Al Qaeda, yet he had not seen his father in two years and had no terrorist ties. He was killed two weeks after his father.

Obama adviser Robert Gibbs actually defended the killing by saying that the boy should have had a more responsible father. Tipping point anyone?

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from buckstopper wrote 1 day 21 hours ago

It was actually Tricky Dicky Nixon that gave us the 55mph highway speeds, 68 degree heat, cold water washing and long gas lines during the Arab oil embargo in 1973. Carter gave us long gas lines in '77 with the "Windfall Profits Tax" and 21% interest rates in '80. Same 'ol, same 'ol clowns in power now gonna fix everything they screwed up.....yeah right! Good thing I bought up bricks of .22's long time ago. Ain't got much hope but change is a comin'.

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

Not everything is solved at the voting booth or the courtroom...from time to time the tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

That's what happened in 1776!

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from brhall wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

I am very thankful that we live in a country where we can vote the leaders out of office instead of having to take up arms against them.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

Gees, I can't believe someone would ding that fellow with red ink for saying he's thankful for the vote! Some of you wannabe revolutionaries talk a real big game without ever having been able to play it before. When you have to watch your loved ones die or worse yet, have to kill someone else's, it doesn't take long for it to register that fixing things with violence only makes for a worse situation than what you've got now. But by then it's too late.

My dad would never talk about his experiences in the South Pacific during WWII. Few true heroes will. Because a true hero is bothered by killing other people. At least after the fact. As soldiers they are trained to not think about killing or think about it in a positive way when they are doing it. But when it's all over and done with the inhumanity comes back to haunt. I knew many men who saw combat in the Vietnam War who afterwards stayed in the military because they couldn't face up to their inhumanity. I know a young man who is back in Afghanistan now for his third tour for the same reason. His dad is my best friend and he is so concerned about that fella. Not for his safety so much as for his mental health. But civil wars are the worst. They leave massive scars that don't go away for hundreds of years and often lead to the end of a country or a culture. And people without an identity have no hope and no reason. That is the most dangerous situation in the world. You guys really haven't a clue. The vote is the ONLY option outside of self-destruction.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

To Jim in NC: To the best of my knowledge, if you are an American citizen who puts on the uniform of a belligerent nation and swears an oath to defend it, all bets are off. You are officially an enemy combatant, and that's the end of it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

Labrador12,
Well said, sir!

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

T.W. Davidson
Precisely! How about government "officials" giving us their most truthful statements instead - the whole truth and nothing but the truth - and not giving us "It depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

We have our free speech attacked by the IRS and the person responsible (and whose salary we are still paying while she goes on vacation)pleads the 5th.

This tipping point has long since turned into an avalanche!

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from Safado wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

Wapiti,
Thank you and I stand corrected!

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from elmer f. wrote 23 hours 42 min ago

well, i would rather trust a wolf to watch my kids for the weekend, than i would trust our government to do ANYTHING that is actually GOOD for this country. the current batch of so called "politicians" are as trustworthy, as any venomous viper in the world. in fact, they really do remind me of each other. we have a very good reason to fear these "people". they want our guns, so they can do much more dastardly things than they are already doing. and what they are doing now is really enough to be called TREASON. i can not say that each and every individual in Washington dc, is guilty of treason, but i would be willing to bet that the devil is a very, happy camper up there! if the Founding Fathers were alive, you would not be able to see across any street there either. there would be so much smoke from the black powder, that not even the White House would have clean air to breathe. i am in no way stating that "We, The People", should be at war with the current administration. but, i am very surprised it has not happened already. i know there are many a good man in this country, and an equal amount of good women. however, not a one of them are even ABLE to run for ANY political arena in the big league. "they", have kept that from happening for many, many years. no one of any virtue, will ever hold a high office in this land, until the political machine that is now running this country, has been disassembled, and demolished..

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from Gunny Bob wrote 16 hours 47 min ago

You simpletons! The NSA monitors anti-Obamanista blogs such as this and now all of you who were not already being monitored are sure as hell being monitored now. Only a buffoon would post anything here.

Oh, wait...

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from nc30-06 wrote 7 hours 28 min ago

I will take the freedom to provide my own security. There is no security without freedom.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 2 days 27 min ago

If anyone wants to know if those nerds in the White house and Capital (including Congress) will tell the truth just ask them if they have ever broken the law. You will know right off whether or not they will tell the truth.

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from miller73 wrote 1 day 20 hours ago

i am completely fed up with the liberals! saying there gonna fix everything but all they do is screw things up!!! 1776 is gonna come again in the next few years!!

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from Treestand wrote 1 day 14 hours ago

Ditto~~99E
Its way past the time to clean out the Barn!Its time to thin-out the Wolf Pack.

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from jim in nc wrote 1 day 8 hours ago

DEP:
Obama may be the first to order a hit on a specific American, but my father (a JAG officer) told me that there were a few US citizens in both the Wehrmacht and the Japanese army in WWII. Did FDR or the Uniform Code of Military Justice accord them due process? Maybe, vis-a-vis Al Quaeda et al., we should apply military rules of engagement, not civil judicial practice.

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from tom warner wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

The entire discussion we are having in our country and in this thread has been caused by our massively simpleminded reaction and over-reaction to 9/11. The word stupidity does not begin to characterize it. This debacle might be said to have changed our entire culture in awful ways. I find it difficult to believe that our politicians could have been so inept: and that so many Americans could be so blind as to have bought into their ham-fisted response to a crime perpetrated what amounted to a tiny handful of common criminals. Our nation is now in the hands of lunatics to whom common sense is a unfamiliar term and now threaten to destroy everything we have come to think America means,...or once meant. These people are the true terrorists. Tipping point? We passed that long ago. Bin Laden has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 6 hours ago

We call our 1776 conflict the "Revolutionary War".
In fact it was a civil war.

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from omarfishesalot wrote 1 day 5 hours ago

well said Ontario Honker, for them the war is all well and good but then a family memeber dies and they begin to regret it.

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from kudukid wrote 1 day 4 hours ago

There are many countries in the World where uprising against a repressive government is all but impossible because the populations have been completely disarmed...North Korea, Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe, and China are typical examples.

For now, America is an exception.

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from jim in nc wrote 1 day 3 hours ago

DP: Quite true. So how would you categorize Anwar al-Awlaki--enemy combatant/fair game or citizen owed due process?

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from stjohn52 wrote 1 day 32 min ago

Misters Petzal and Heavey exchanging emails (about anything!)... where's the link for the download?
Or do I have to ask the NSA for the transcript?

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from RJ Arena wrote 5 hours 49 min ago

It was funny the Obama quote, no one called him on the 100% security line,(everyone is focusing on the liberty line) since when have we had 100% security? and has he proposed anything that would provide that? I think it was typical yo what he says- it sounds good when he says it, but it doesn't mean very much.
Tell me, how safe does it make you feel to have to take off your shoes to get on a plane?
I have a very simple security answer- no carry on larger than a small bag(that can be searched easily), profile the hell out of fliers-if we are being attack by grannies from Finland, then that is who you profile. If it is young men from Muslim countries, than so be it.
do not apologize!!!! and you do not have to IF YOU ARE CONSISTENT!!!!!

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from wisc14 wrote 2 hours 18 min ago

it's amazing how brainwashed extremist republicans and extremist liberals are! that is the problem with this country.

if you like to hunt and fish on wild, pristine public lands like me then you are pretty much screwed. extreme liberals want to take away guns and would love nothing more than to close off public lands to hunting and recreational shooting. extreme republicans see public lands as only good if they are plunged and raped for energy extraciton or for mining of materials. if it can't be mined then sell it to some rich guy!

problem is most of the people we are voting in are extremists

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from buckhunter wrote 2 sec ago

Dave, There is one thing about your essay which has me puzzled. Why is Heavey putting red dot sights on his Mod 41? Is the poor man losing his eyesight or does he just dislike the gun that much?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

Bin Laden is the only guy I can recall who was condemned to death without trial. Hardly a citizen! We shoot rats, gophers, raccoons, and other vermin. That mass murderer scum bag doesn't even rate as vermin in my book. Anyway, people get killed in wars without a trial. That's usually the way they are conducted. And this is a "war on terrorism." Or so sayeth George W. Bush.

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from Steward wrote 2 days 3 hours ago

...there is some discussion about whether a natural-born citizen who goes to another country and attacks American forces or American interests has, through his actions voluntary revoked his citizenship. I can't name the laws, but it is one thing I have been hearing about. Using drones on Americans in America? Think again. Any laws that apply to personal property,search and seizure, etc, should apply to the use of drones.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 day 19 hours ago

what happens when too many wolves populate an area? the food supply runs out and they eventually feed on each other! or sometimes a hunter has to come in to thin out the pack. either way this needs to happen before things get better.

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from rock rat wrote 1 day 11 hours ago

Sounds like you should have taken Nancy's advice.

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from RonDak wrote 2 days 4 hours ago

Because the Republican led country is so much better. Thousands killed in unnecessary war, holier-then thou attitudes that led to limited research on stem cells, homophobic policy, a collapsed economy. Oh yeah, and no money wasted at all. Everything they spent on was perfect. No waste at all. Did you know that Iraq was actually free. Who knew?

You are viewing the world through a very limited point of view Mark-1. Get out and listen to other points of view. Start a discussion.

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