



June 11, 2013
Upland Shotguns: Thoughts on Barrel Length
By Phil Bourjaily

Once a year I shoot my sporting clays gun—a Miroku Charles Daly with 32-inch barrels—on a two-day charity preserve pheasant hunt. The stock is fitted to me and the long, heavy barrels move inevitably to the birds. It’s almost impossible to miss with it.
Longer barrels are easier to shoot with, especially on any kind of crossing bird. Most of my hunting guns now have 28-inch barrels, which seems like a good compromise length. Of course, barrel wall thickness varies and two guns with 28-inch barrels can have very different balance, but in general they have a little bit of weight forward that makes them easier to shoot. In fact, chances are I will shoot a gun pretty well if I pick it up and it feels too heavy in the muzzle.
I have one featherweight, short barreled gun, a SKB 100 with very light 26-inch barrels that are closer to 25 inches in length. And, I hunted quite a bit with a 6-pound, 12 gauge, 24-inch barreled Benelli UltraLight when those guns were new.
Short-barreled, muzzle-light guns are great in heavy cover because they balance far enough back that they are easy to carry with your trigger hand on the grip while you fend off branches with your front hand. Most brush shots are going-away chances where there is not much need to swing the gun. Short-barreled guns are fine for that type of shooting. When you do encounter a genuine crossing target, you have to consciously put the barrel of a muzzle-light gun where it needs to go, which is difficult in the field and very difficult on a skeet field.
Short, light guns are faster-handling, which is an overrated quality. They are much less fatiguing to carry, though, and that can matter a lot. Speed with a shotgun is not a question of how fast you can move a gun, but how quickly you can acquire the target with your eyes, and whether you can trust your eyes and hands to make the shot without you trying to double-check and make sure regardless of the length of your gun’s barrels.
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I hunt with a 30" barrel. Heavy to carry, but works real well.
Right on mark with this one Phil,
I have one of those SKB 100's, great in the grouse woods but you really have to focus on pushing the muzzle past the bird before pulling the trigger when using this gun for pheasants. I have an 1187 in 20 gauge with a 26 inch barrel, it seems to float past the bird or target all on its on, all I have to do is pull the trigger :)
Gun choice at this time is a Franchi Highlander s/s 20 gauge with 26 inch barrels. Moves very similar to the 1187 but seems easier to carry in the field, especially in the grouse woods !
I hunt with a 24" barreled Citori upland 12 gauge. It really is a great field gun that's perfect in brush for all the reasons stated by Mr. Bourjaily.
The main downside to such a short barreled gun is all the "stage coach robber" ribbing you must endure at the skeet range. The perfect defense to such ribbing is to remind the gun club rats that no one goes hunting to practice for the skeet range -- or simply to comment that all the clays they break "look tasty."
With all due respect I have to take exception to some of what Phil writes. Quick reaction times are critical in the Uplands, especially with grouse and woodcock. I believe its important being able to get a shot off. For me this calls for light weight and over all gun BALANCE. Phil seems to lightly touch on Balance.
Light weight is a function of barrel length However; BALANCE is a product of the shooter physic. I’m certain shotgun BALANCE could be written in great volumes & detail. But I think the rule of thumb would be shoot as long of a barrel as you can as a shooter keeping that fluid follow through swing, but not causing undue fatigue carrying the gun afield.
Double guns can and should use longer barrel lengths. Pumps and Auto should use comparatively shorter barrels since the longer receivers affect BALANCE.
Also I believe 20-ga and smaller can and should use longer barrels than 12 and 16.
Hope this helps the blog.
26". 26".
That's what I shoot at ducks, geese, doves and pheasant.
12 or 20, it doesn't matter!
My preference only!
26". 26".
That's what I shoot at ducks, geese, doves and pheasant.
12 or 20, it doesn't matter!
My preference only!
I have several "short-barreled" shotguns as well as a couple of 28 and 30 inch ones. I believe a long barreled shotgun gives one a 'longer' sighting plane for distant shots at overhead, passing migratory birds; ducks, geese, and dove high hard ones, where tracking flight with the shotgun is what most do. However, for many of us that are 'point-and-shoot' gunners, "short" scatterguns may be the preferred weapon as they are (seem?) quicker to get on the target. One drawback to short barreled shotguns is muzzle blast in the close confines of a duck/goose blind.
My preference has always been for 24-26" barrels for quail and other flushing birds and 28" for everything else. A 26" barrel SXS always seems to balance perfectly in the hands, but I like a little shorter barrel on pump guns for quail because of the longer receiver.
I agree completely with Phil about 28" barrels for crossing targets. Never saw any reason for anything shorter, or longer, for that matter.
I inherited an 1100 from my wife's grandfather many moons ago and it had the shortest barrel made. It was an early 60's model and I swear it was 24" but I guess they only made 26" and longer... anyways it was improved cylinder and so I bought a 30" barrel with the ventilated rib and screw in choke tubes because I wanted to hunt turkey and ducks.
I found out I could hit better with the long barrel even in close quarters and on fast shots. I am not small or big, six feet even and the 30" barrel is just right. I even gave the shorter barrel to my father in law.
I am in agreement with Phil, bigger is better.... just ask my wife. ha ha ha.....
O'did I hear an RF4C fly over my house?
(Ruby Ridge)
Besides, who needs a shotgun!
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jm5RJYkdYss
Shooting Grouse in Alaska with the exception of Ptarmigan, why waste shotgun ammo. You can walk right up and pop'em in the head with a 22 pistol (Stupid birds)
additional: Think US Gun Makers like putting on short barrels to make gun lighter. Tough finding a 12-ga in USA weighs less than 7-lbs unless the shooter goes custom.
I believe 7-lbs is ideal weight for a field shotgun.
Benelli Ultra Light weighs 6 pounds.
Franchi AL 48 weighs 5 1/2 pounds.
Browning Citori Lightning Feather 6 pounds 3 ounces.
I handed down my Citori Hunter w/ 26" bbl to my oldest son. I wouldn't tell him this but I wish I had it back. Best shotgun that ever fit me, shoots like a dream.
I have always been able to shoot my 870 3" mag 12 gauge with 30" barrel much better than my Browning Light Twelve with 28" barrel. The Remington seems to be much heavier but to be honest I have never weighed my guns. I mostly use the Browning when pheasant hunting even though I shoot the 870 better. The latter has a full choke and often that smokes the birds a bit too much. The Browning has fixed modified. However, towards the end of the season when its cold and the birds are bunched up in the sage brush and spooky, I'll switch back to the 870. By then the shots are as often as not out there a ways. I always attributed the difference between how I shoot the two guns to their weight. Seems it might be barrel length?
My brother loaned me his el-cheapo Russian made K-Mart O/U six years ago when I first started re-hunting birds in Montana. It was a fairly heavy gun and I believe it had 28" barrels but I could not hit crap with that thing. Learning to fumble with two triggers probably had more to do with this gun's failure in my hands than weight or barrel length.
Oops. Should written; Tough finding a 12-ga *MADE*in USA weighing less than 7-lbs unless the shooter goes custom.
Sorry. ....Proof reading skills suck.
That's really good advice on barrel length, but what about the other end of a shotgun, the stock. perhaps you can use this on the tv show. what is good fit ? How does one find a factory made gun that is a close fit ? I've seen most people(including myself) throw a shotgun to their shoulder in the store does that really tell us anything ? How would a person find measure him or herself for proper fit. Does a person really need a perfect fit ?
I agree that the choice of barrel length, indeed the choice of entire gun, will have a lot to do with the kind of upland hunting one plans on doing. Early season pheasants over a good pointing dog works well with a heavier gun like an O/O with a longer barrel. The hunter is usually set up and has lots of time to pull and shoot. It's about as close as one can get to shooting trap in the field. But hunting with flushers is an entirely different game, even early in the season. Certainly by the end of the season when the roosters are spooky one is going to be looking at mostly unexpected snap shooting. A heavier smooth swinging gun might just be too slow for the job. Something lighter, quicker pointing, and/or with a tighter choke would probably work better.
For pheasants I prefer a 28 or 30 inch barrel of normally encountered wall thickness. Of course a 26 will work and so will a 32-34 trap gun. The heavy guns with big shells make for a tiring day walking. Decades ago down south all my buddies and I shot 26 inch IC at gentleman Bob. In the trees, briars, and sedge fields nothing seemed to be better as quick shots were all that was presented. One of the deadliest quail shots I even hunted with fired a Win M-59 from the hip. I never witnessed anyone else who could successfully get a limit of quail from such a unusual firing posture. He and his wife were the interior decorators of Graceland so Elvis was also pleased with Sim's work plus they shot togather a few times. Yep Elvis was a gun nut.
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I have several "short-barreled" shotguns as well as a couple of 28 and 30 inch ones. I believe a long barreled shotgun gives one a 'longer' sighting plane for distant shots at overhead, passing migratory birds; ducks, geese, and dove high hard ones, where tracking flight with the shotgun is what most do. However, for many of us that are 'point-and-shoot' gunners, "short" scatterguns may be the preferred weapon as they are (seem?) quicker to get on the target. One drawback to short barreled shotguns is muzzle blast in the close confines of a duck/goose blind.
That's really good advice on barrel length, but what about the other end of a shotgun, the stock. perhaps you can use this on the tv show. what is good fit ? How does one find a factory made gun that is a close fit ? I've seen most people(including myself) throw a shotgun to their shoulder in the store does that really tell us anything ? How would a person find measure him or herself for proper fit. Does a person really need a perfect fit ?
I hunt with a 30" barrel. Heavy to carry, but works real well.
Right on mark with this one Phil,
I have one of those SKB 100's, great in the grouse woods but you really have to focus on pushing the muzzle past the bird before pulling the trigger when using this gun for pheasants. I have an 1187 in 20 gauge with a 26 inch barrel, it seems to float past the bird or target all on its on, all I have to do is pull the trigger :)
Gun choice at this time is a Franchi Highlander s/s 20 gauge with 26 inch barrels. Moves very similar to the 1187 but seems easier to carry in the field, especially in the grouse woods !
I hunt with a 24" barreled Citori upland 12 gauge. It really is a great field gun that's perfect in brush for all the reasons stated by Mr. Bourjaily.
The main downside to such a short barreled gun is all the "stage coach robber" ribbing you must endure at the skeet range. The perfect defense to such ribbing is to remind the gun club rats that no one goes hunting to practice for the skeet range -- or simply to comment that all the clays they break "look tasty."
With all due respect I have to take exception to some of what Phil writes. Quick reaction times are critical in the Uplands, especially with grouse and woodcock. I believe its important being able to get a shot off. For me this calls for light weight and over all gun BALANCE. Phil seems to lightly touch on Balance.
Light weight is a function of barrel length However; BALANCE is a product of the shooter physic. I’m certain shotgun BALANCE could be written in great volumes & detail. But I think the rule of thumb would be shoot as long of a barrel as you can as a shooter keeping that fluid follow through swing, but not causing undue fatigue carrying the gun afield.
Double guns can and should use longer barrel lengths. Pumps and Auto should use comparatively shorter barrels since the longer receivers affect BALANCE.
Also I believe 20-ga and smaller can and should use longer barrels than 12 and 16.
Hope this helps the blog.
26". 26".
That's what I shoot at ducks, geese, doves and pheasant.
12 or 20, it doesn't matter!
My preference only!
26". 26".
That's what I shoot at ducks, geese, doves and pheasant.
12 or 20, it doesn't matter!
My preference only!
My preference has always been for 24-26" barrels for quail and other flushing birds and 28" for everything else. A 26" barrel SXS always seems to balance perfectly in the hands, but I like a little shorter barrel on pump guns for quail because of the longer receiver.
I agree completely with Phil about 28" barrels for crossing targets. Never saw any reason for anything shorter, or longer, for that matter.
I inherited an 1100 from my wife's grandfather many moons ago and it had the shortest barrel made. It was an early 60's model and I swear it was 24" but I guess they only made 26" and longer... anyways it was improved cylinder and so I bought a 30" barrel with the ventilated rib and screw in choke tubes because I wanted to hunt turkey and ducks.
I found out I could hit better with the long barrel even in close quarters and on fast shots. I am not small or big, six feet even and the 30" barrel is just right. I even gave the shorter barrel to my father in law.
I am in agreement with Phil, bigger is better.... just ask my wife. ha ha ha.....
O'did I hear an RF4C fly over my house?
(Ruby Ridge)
Besides, who needs a shotgun!
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jm5RJYkdYss
Shooting Grouse in Alaska with the exception of Ptarmigan, why waste shotgun ammo. You can walk right up and pop'em in the head with a 22 pistol (Stupid birds)
additional: Think US Gun Makers like putting on short barrels to make gun lighter. Tough finding a 12-ga in USA weighs less than 7-lbs unless the shooter goes custom.
I believe 7-lbs is ideal weight for a field shotgun.
Benelli Ultra Light weighs 6 pounds.
Franchi AL 48 weighs 5 1/2 pounds.
Browning Citori Lightning Feather 6 pounds 3 ounces.
I handed down my Citori Hunter w/ 26" bbl to my oldest son. I wouldn't tell him this but I wish I had it back. Best shotgun that ever fit me, shoots like a dream.
I have always been able to shoot my 870 3" mag 12 gauge with 30" barrel much better than my Browning Light Twelve with 28" barrel. The Remington seems to be much heavier but to be honest I have never weighed my guns. I mostly use the Browning when pheasant hunting even though I shoot the 870 better. The latter has a full choke and often that smokes the birds a bit too much. The Browning has fixed modified. However, towards the end of the season when its cold and the birds are bunched up in the sage brush and spooky, I'll switch back to the 870. By then the shots are as often as not out there a ways. I always attributed the difference between how I shoot the two guns to their weight. Seems it might be barrel length?
My brother loaned me his el-cheapo Russian made K-Mart O/U six years ago when I first started re-hunting birds in Montana. It was a fairly heavy gun and I believe it had 28" barrels but I could not hit crap with that thing. Learning to fumble with two triggers probably had more to do with this gun's failure in my hands than weight or barrel length.
Oops. Should written; Tough finding a 12-ga *MADE*in USA weighing less than 7-lbs unless the shooter goes custom.
Sorry. ....Proof reading skills suck.
I agree that the choice of barrel length, indeed the choice of entire gun, will have a lot to do with the kind of upland hunting one plans on doing. Early season pheasants over a good pointing dog works well with a heavier gun like an O/O with a longer barrel. The hunter is usually set up and has lots of time to pull and shoot. It's about as close as one can get to shooting trap in the field. But hunting with flushers is an entirely different game, even early in the season. Certainly by the end of the season when the roosters are spooky one is going to be looking at mostly unexpected snap shooting. A heavier smooth swinging gun might just be too slow for the job. Something lighter, quicker pointing, and/or with a tighter choke would probably work better.
For pheasants I prefer a 28 or 30 inch barrel of normally encountered wall thickness. Of course a 26 will work and so will a 32-34 trap gun. The heavy guns with big shells make for a tiring day walking. Decades ago down south all my buddies and I shot 26 inch IC at gentleman Bob. In the trees, briars, and sedge fields nothing seemed to be better as quick shots were all that was presented. One of the deadliest quail shots I even hunted with fired a Win M-59 from the hip. I never witnessed anyone else who could successfully get a limit of quail from such a unusual firing posture. He and his wife were the interior decorators of Graceland so Elvis was also pleased with Sim's work plus they shot togather a few times. Yep Elvis was a gun nut.
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