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February 13, 2012

Carp Angling is Not the Next Big Thing

by John Merwin

Back in 2006, I wrote the following in our print edition: “Casting a fly for carp is like dragging a piece of fried chicken through the local senior center. If it looks good and moves slowly enough, something will eventually try to gum it to death.”

Some people (including me) thought that was very funny. Others--notably some who fly fish for carp--were offended. As writers invariably try to elicit some reaction, my carp comment was pretty successful. But even now, as back then, I am still the anti-carp.

So imagine my surprise--or was it disgust--to see in yesterday’s New York Times a column by Chris Santella about how carp are a worthy and popular fly-fishing target. Our own and otherwise illustrious Fly Talk blogger Kirk Deeter was quoted extensively in support of the carp fly-fishing philosophy. Deeter and I have argued this in person over dinner (and with good humor) and probably will again. Meanwhile, let’s take another look at the whole carp thing. 

First, I admit to a deep personal bias. When I was first learning to fish in the 1950s, carp were widely regarded as a trash fish--meaning garbage with fins. So I adopted the attitude of my mentors and to a large degree still feel that way.

On the other hand, carp are extremely intelligent fish, much more so than trout or bass, for example. They are wily, skittish, and very challenging to catch on a fly or by any other means. They are also big and pull hard when hooked, albeit more like a Mack truck than a Ferrari. And yes, I have fly fished for them, writing an article about that in our print edition, which you can read here.

Carp fishing in Europe is a huge deal. Fishing trade shows there are dominated by carp tackle, baits, and accessories. That is not so in this country. In North America there are so many valued gamefish species publicly accessible to so many people that carp fishing--fly or otherwise--is never going to attain the popularity it has in Europe where angling options are more limited.

If my local fishing options consisted solely of carp, I would indeed by an ardent carp angler. But I can fish for three trout species, largemouths, smallies, walleyes, pickerel, pike, and even a few muskies within a 50-mile radius, so I don’t ever bother with carp.

If you enjoy carp fishing--either for the fun of it or by geographic limitation--great. Go for it. I’m not condemning that. Just don’t tell me that angling for carp is the next big thing in North American angling. We have far too many other opportunities on and in the water. And because of that, the carp-fishing renaissance here that some are predicting just ain’t gonna happen.

 

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from rdorman wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

i find it interesting that while you and deeter don't agree on carp fishing in general. you both agree that carp fishing won't be the most popular fishing because there are too many options in the USA...whether that be trout for fly fishing or bass for conventional...

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from Koldkut wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with you John, we have too many other species that either taste better, or are easier to catch, but I for one, will continue to fish for them and will still get heckled by the game wardens for even attempting to catch them on purpose.

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from buckhunter wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I hope all of this attention and fame the carp are getting doesn't put a damper on my bowfishing. I do enjoy catching carp on the fly but carp are best floating belly-up.

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from santa wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

John, not all carp are created equal. Grass carp do a good job of helping to control vegetation while gold fish and koi are pretty to look at. But the Asian Carp is a species that needs to be promoted and fished extremely heavy because they breed uncontrolled and fast. They do not have many natural predators to help control their population except mankind. I do not believe that even if we made them the number one sought after game fish, we would be able to control the over population that they are achieving, but it is worth a try. Just think of all the new products that could be brought out just for carp fishing such as how to, when to, and where to fishing videos or magazines. Instead of Bass boats, there would be CARP Boats. Carp reels and rods, carp lures and flies and stories about the one that got away would be the talk of the day.

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from fezzant wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I have never caught a carp intentionally. I'm with the trash fish crowd. I just always found them to be kind of gross. You want to fish for them? Fine with me - have at it. But I'll stick to bass and trout.

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from stick500 wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

Carp fishing with corn on a 1/0 bait hook is an absolute blast. When the conditions are right I can catch 10 pounders one right after another all afternoon. It's one of my favorite things to do and this is on a lake filled muskies, bass and walleyes. Pound for pound I'm catching way more than everyone else on the lake. By the way, I'm catch and release with my rod, but in the middle of summer I'm in the water with a mask, fins, snorkel and speargun- you should see a 34" carp jump out of the water when Lloyd Bridges shoots him with a speargun! I' m kinda glad carp aren't more popular- that many more for me to catch and shoot.

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from stick500 wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

in response to santa: Unfortunately you can't catch the Asian (silver and bighead) carp on hook and line as they won't bite on a bait or fly (they're filter feeders). The only way you can consistently haul them in is by snagging near dams (as long as snagging is legal there). They do make excellent table fair, unlike common carp, which only work if they're smoked, which is quite tasty.

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from John Davenport wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

John, a lot of minds have been changed since 2006 on the relative merits of fly fishing for carp, but I don't believe anyone sees carp as the "next big thing." You should come on out to our 6th Annual Carp Slam on the Denver South Platte 8/18 and you'll see 36 very enthusiastic fly casters, some members of Fly Fishing TEAM USA matching wits with this species. Disgust never enters into it in our neck of the woods. We all grew up despising carp but the basis in fact was never there. Virtually everything we were taught to hate about them is wrong. (Check wikipedia). We hated them because they stirred up the silt, but why was the silt there ? They decimated other fish stock, but this has no basis in fact. They live where other fish can't; good for them and bad for us. They were brought to the US by the US Commission on Fisheries to provide a fresh fish source in rivers that had been trashed during our "Gilded Age." As others have pointed out, it's just our early prejudice that puts them in the trash class. We're the ones putting the trash in the rivers.

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from Denver TroutUnl... wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

Carp may not be the next big thing, but as it stands one of the best hopes for a Trout/Walleye/Smallmouth fishery on the Urban South Platte through the Denver Metro Area is flyfishing for Carp.

Not only has DTU's annual South Platte Pro-Am Carp Slam provided an opportunity enlighten hundreds of people to the deplorable condition of the urban South Platte, it has generated nearly $75,000 for stream improvements, which have already led to approved projects worth millions of dollars. In fact, it was a die-hard carper and last year's Carp Slam amateur champion who discovered and helped blow the whistle on the Suncor contamination of Sand Creek and the South Platte. He was out Carpin'.

It is not true that Denver's carp-on-the-fly crowd is throwing every rainbow they catch on the bank.

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from Gtbigsky wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

Fly fishing for carp can be appealing. you can often find them in shallow water and although they are not bonefish they are spooky and cautious. To be a good carp angler with fly rod and in these situations one must have descent a descent cast and presentation, being that they can be very wary. if you hook up with a carp they will give you a run and put your equiptment to the test. They are not destination fish for me by any means but heck, I will happily go fish for carp on the fly rather than sitting on the couch. Just my 2 cents! I might even bust ou a spinning rod and make a batch of dough balls if the occasion calls for it; Rather be fishing/hunting/exploring than anything

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from Iain Sorrell wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

So many valued gamefish there might be... but how many go 20-30lb and pull like a freight train?

Me thinks Mr Merwin that you will soon be proved wrong.

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from Renegade1 wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

I've only caught one carp by accident. I was fishing before sunrise using a top-water bait of all things. The lure disappeared and then the fight ensued. I thought I had caught the largest bass of my life, except for one thing; it wasn't jumping. When I finally hauled it in, it was 18 inches long, fat and heavy (unfortunately I didn't weigh it). It was loads of fun landing that fish. I tried some carp catching techniques a few times after that, but I never tried flies.

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from Dennis Rahn wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

Carp flesh is one of the tasty ones expecially when smoked. The fish is huge and the fight can break a bass rod in half. They are harder to catch than Bass or Walleye and I would rather catch one carp than five bass.

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from Fat guy Aaron wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

How can carp not be the next thing,It's been the next thing for two or three years already. You should attend the Annual carp slam in Denver and see How big it gas gotten, go read the other fly blogs, we are all doing it. If you have never fly fished for carp you don't understand how difficult to actually sneak up on them, let alone swing a 9 foot rod, place a nice cast without spooking them, not to mention they are finicky eaters. But I'm not gonna push it on anybody, all those old elite1st
trout worshipers who are too set in their ways to change have a mindset that keeps us brownliners' fishing spots from getting to congested.

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from bassman06 wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

Dennis, you had me at smoked. I love the smokey flavor of fish, meat and the occasional vegetable that's barbecued. Is it any good salted? Because forget having a huge game freezer and say hello to a little smoke house!!

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from Jan J. Mudder wrote 14 weeks 1 day ago

Like Mr. Merwin, I learned at an early age that carp are trash fish. It was hard to not learn the lesson after fishing in prime carp or walleye waters and watching the excitement turn to disgust on my dad or older brothers' faces when they realized that it was a carp on the line. There are places near home where artificial lures are necessary for bass because a worm/crawler doesn't stand a chance of getting past the carp.

I agree that smoked carp is edible, but anyone who makes it out to be a gourmet delight is exaggerating. For those of you who catch & release only, I suppose it's a lot of fun, but I still eat some of what I catch, and I like to catch & release the same species that I would otherwise eat. As mentioned above, they are good sport for bowfishing and spearing, but it's these experiences which make me wonder about those of you who say they're so incredibly difficult to approach. I used to bowfish for them by looking for tailing carp in a stream, approach stealthily from downstream and behind, and I often ended up shooting them from almost directly overhead at point-blank range. If the water was too deep to wade, I used a bow; otherwise, I could stalk and spear them, which was also fun. I quit doing it, though, because I didn't like the taste of the meat, and I don't like wasting fish. To each his own, I say....

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from uglymike wrote 14 weeks 6 hours ago

O.K., I'll admit it, I like catching carp. Sure, I have lots of other species I can fish for right out my back door, but there's something about catching numerous 20lb.+ fish that really fight hard in a day of fishing that keeps me going back for more.

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from Woods Walker wrote 13 weeks 4 days ago

I agree those who feel that carp are trash fish - they are not native and it was a serious error for our ancestors to introduce them to our rivers and lakes. However, they are here now and do provide some interesting fishing opportunities - I have tried spearing them, shooting them with arrows and lately I have tried fly fishing for them with some success, and watched a friend of mine catch about 5 in a row on a Rapala lure of about 5 or 6 inches long (yes, really!). If I could snap my fingers and make them all disappear from the N. American continent, I would do so. Since I can not, I will continue to occasionally fish for them (and give them away to some local families that eat them)...

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from Fat guy Aaron wrote 13 weeks 4 days ago

Most fish in America are not native and a bunch of the game as well, deal with it.

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from buckhunter wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I hope all of this attention and fame the carp are getting doesn't put a damper on my bowfishing. I do enjoy catching carp on the fly but carp are best floating belly-up.

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from stick500 wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

Carp fishing with corn on a 1/0 bait hook is an absolute blast. When the conditions are right I can catch 10 pounders one right after another all afternoon. It's one of my favorite things to do and this is on a lake filled muskies, bass and walleyes. Pound for pound I'm catching way more than everyone else on the lake. By the way, I'm catch and release with my rod, but in the middle of summer I'm in the water with a mask, fins, snorkel and speargun- you should see a 34" carp jump out of the water when Lloyd Bridges shoots him with a speargun! I' m kinda glad carp aren't more popular- that many more for me to catch and shoot.

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from fezzant wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I have never caught a carp intentionally. I'm with the trash fish crowd. I just always found them to be kind of gross. You want to fish for them? Fine with me - have at it. But I'll stick to bass and trout.

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from Iain Sorrell wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

So many valued gamefish there might be... but how many go 20-30lb and pull like a freight train?

Me thinks Mr Merwin that you will soon be proved wrong.

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from Dennis Rahn wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

Carp flesh is one of the tasty ones expecially when smoked. The fish is huge and the fight can break a bass rod in half. They are harder to catch than Bass or Walleye and I would rather catch one carp than five bass.

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from rdorman wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

i find it interesting that while you and deeter don't agree on carp fishing in general. you both agree that carp fishing won't be the most popular fishing because there are too many options in the USA...whether that be trout for fly fishing or bass for conventional...

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from Koldkut wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with you John, we have too many other species that either taste better, or are easier to catch, but I for one, will continue to fish for them and will still get heckled by the game wardens for even attempting to catch them on purpose.

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from santa wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

John, not all carp are created equal. Grass carp do a good job of helping to control vegetation while gold fish and koi are pretty to look at. But the Asian Carp is a species that needs to be promoted and fished extremely heavy because they breed uncontrolled and fast. They do not have many natural predators to help control their population except mankind. I do not believe that even if we made them the number one sought after game fish, we would be able to control the over population that they are achieving, but it is worth a try. Just think of all the new products that could be brought out just for carp fishing such as how to, when to, and where to fishing videos or magazines. Instead of Bass boats, there would be CARP Boats. Carp reels and rods, carp lures and flies and stories about the one that got away would be the talk of the day.

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from stick500 wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

in response to santa: Unfortunately you can't catch the Asian (silver and bighead) carp on hook and line as they won't bite on a bait or fly (they're filter feeders). The only way you can consistently haul them in is by snagging near dams (as long as snagging is legal there). They do make excellent table fair, unlike common carp, which only work if they're smoked, which is quite tasty.

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from John Davenport wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

John, a lot of minds have been changed since 2006 on the relative merits of fly fishing for carp, but I don't believe anyone sees carp as the "next big thing." You should come on out to our 6th Annual Carp Slam on the Denver South Platte 8/18 and you'll see 36 very enthusiastic fly casters, some members of Fly Fishing TEAM USA matching wits with this species. Disgust never enters into it in our neck of the woods. We all grew up despising carp but the basis in fact was never there. Virtually everything we were taught to hate about them is wrong. (Check wikipedia). We hated them because they stirred up the silt, but why was the silt there ? They decimated other fish stock, but this has no basis in fact. They live where other fish can't; good for them and bad for us. They were brought to the US by the US Commission on Fisheries to provide a fresh fish source in rivers that had been trashed during our "Gilded Age." As others have pointed out, it's just our early prejudice that puts them in the trash class. We're the ones putting the trash in the rivers.

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from Denver TroutUnl... wrote 14 weeks 4 days ago

Carp may not be the next big thing, but as it stands one of the best hopes for a Trout/Walleye/Smallmouth fishery on the Urban South Platte through the Denver Metro Area is flyfishing for Carp.

Not only has DTU's annual South Platte Pro-Am Carp Slam provided an opportunity enlighten hundreds of people to the deplorable condition of the urban South Platte, it has generated nearly $75,000 for stream improvements, which have already led to approved projects worth millions of dollars. In fact, it was a die-hard carper and last year's Carp Slam amateur champion who discovered and helped blow the whistle on the Suncor contamination of Sand Creek and the South Platte. He was out Carpin'.

It is not true that Denver's carp-on-the-fly crowd is throwing every rainbow they catch on the bank.

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from Gtbigsky wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

Fly fishing for carp can be appealing. you can often find them in shallow water and although they are not bonefish they are spooky and cautious. To be a good carp angler with fly rod and in these situations one must have descent a descent cast and presentation, being that they can be very wary. if you hook up with a carp they will give you a run and put your equiptment to the test. They are not destination fish for me by any means but heck, I will happily go fish for carp on the fly rather than sitting on the couch. Just my 2 cents! I might even bust ou a spinning rod and make a batch of dough balls if the occasion calls for it; Rather be fishing/hunting/exploring than anything

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from Renegade1 wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

I've only caught one carp by accident. I was fishing before sunrise using a top-water bait of all things. The lure disappeared and then the fight ensued. I thought I had caught the largest bass of my life, except for one thing; it wasn't jumping. When I finally hauled it in, it was 18 inches long, fat and heavy (unfortunately I didn't weigh it). It was loads of fun landing that fish. I tried some carp catching techniques a few times after that, but I never tried flies.

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from Fat guy Aaron wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

How can carp not be the next thing,It's been the next thing for two or three years already. You should attend the Annual carp slam in Denver and see How big it gas gotten, go read the other fly blogs, we are all doing it. If you have never fly fished for carp you don't understand how difficult to actually sneak up on them, let alone swing a 9 foot rod, place a nice cast without spooking them, not to mention they are finicky eaters. But I'm not gonna push it on anybody, all those old elite1st
trout worshipers who are too set in their ways to change have a mindset that keeps us brownliners' fishing spots from getting to congested.

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from bassman06 wrote 14 weeks 2 days ago

Dennis, you had me at smoked. I love the smokey flavor of fish, meat and the occasional vegetable that's barbecued. Is it any good salted? Because forget having a huge game freezer and say hello to a little smoke house!!

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from Jan J. Mudder wrote 14 weeks 1 day ago

Like Mr. Merwin, I learned at an early age that carp are trash fish. It was hard to not learn the lesson after fishing in prime carp or walleye waters and watching the excitement turn to disgust on my dad or older brothers' faces when they realized that it was a carp on the line. There are places near home where artificial lures are necessary for bass because a worm/crawler doesn't stand a chance of getting past the carp.

I agree that smoked carp is edible, but anyone who makes it out to be a gourmet delight is exaggerating. For those of you who catch & release only, I suppose it's a lot of fun, but I still eat some of what I catch, and I like to catch & release the same species that I would otherwise eat. As mentioned above, they are good sport for bowfishing and spearing, but it's these experiences which make me wonder about those of you who say they're so incredibly difficult to approach. I used to bowfish for them by looking for tailing carp in a stream, approach stealthily from downstream and behind, and I often ended up shooting them from almost directly overhead at point-blank range. If the water was too deep to wade, I used a bow; otherwise, I could stalk and spear them, which was also fun. I quit doing it, though, because I didn't like the taste of the meat, and I don't like wasting fish. To each his own, I say....

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from uglymike wrote 14 weeks 6 hours ago

O.K., I'll admit it, I like catching carp. Sure, I have lots of other species I can fish for right out my back door, but there's something about catching numerous 20lb.+ fish that really fight hard in a day of fishing that keeps me going back for more.

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from Woods Walker wrote 13 weeks 4 days ago

I agree those who feel that carp are trash fish - they are not native and it was a serious error for our ancestors to introduce them to our rivers and lakes. However, they are here now and do provide some interesting fishing opportunities - I have tried spearing them, shooting them with arrows and lately I have tried fly fishing for them with some success, and watched a friend of mine catch about 5 in a row on a Rapala lure of about 5 or 6 inches long (yes, really!). If I could snap my fingers and make them all disappear from the N. American continent, I would do so. Since I can not, I will continue to occasionally fish for them (and give them away to some local families that eat them)...

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from Fat guy Aaron wrote 13 weeks 4 days ago

Most fish in America are not native and a bunch of the game as well, deal with it.

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