


June 09, 2010
Shoot Me Down: Hand-Shock Does Not Hurt Accuracy in Modern Compound Bows
By Dave Hurteau

Hand-shock? As it applies to today’s compound bows, it should be called “hand-nudge” or “hand-almost-imperceptible-tremor.” Yes, back when everyone was shooting a D-shaped bow, most of us noticed that the unloading of the limbs caused the riser to recoil forward at the shot. Unlike gun recoil, this pushed the implement away from you, causing bows of the 1990s to jump out of your hand at bit. But today’s parallel limbs—with which the upward recoil of the top limb and the downward recoil of the bottom largely cancel each other out—virtually eliminated the problem. By and large, all that’s left over is a little vibration.
And yet archers still seem obsessed with hand-shock.
I test lots of bows, often with some very experienced shooters. Much of the time, we have to close our eyes to tell which bow has more hand-shock—or any noticeable hand-shock at all for that matter. I have stood there and listened to perfectly intelligent people say, “When I close my eyes, I do notice a little hand-shock with this bow,” as if that were a mark against it. Hello?
Even if you do feel a little hand-shock without closing your eyes, what’s the big deal? It’s hard to argue that it’s physically uncomfortable—at least with today’s bows. It doesn’t affect your form. It doesn’t seem to affect accuracy. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so many Olympic and competition shooters who still prefer the old D-shaped bows. And it sure as heck ain’t going to affect your hunting success.
When pressed, some friends who’ve already heard this little rant of mine, have concluded, “Well, I just don’t like it.” (Hand-shock, that is. They don’t like my rant, either, but that’s something else). I can live with that (even though it seems possible that they don’t like it precisely because they’ve been told not to.) If you like one bow over another because you think it has less hand-shock, fine and dandy. But don’t tell me it’s a better bow because of it. These days, hand-shock has about as much bearing on the actual performance of a bow than does the camo pattern.
There you have it. Stand with me or shoot me down. And remember, the one who shoots me down most convincingly and with the most gusto (provided it’s tasteful gusto) will enjoy the untold pleasures of posting the next “Shoot Me Down” as an (unpaid) guest blogger.
Have at it. –Dave Hurteau
Comments (26)
I agree with you as far as accuracy being the same. But IMO that is where the simularity ends. My old D shaped Hoyt was good enough for me to win a cold soda shooting against buddies. The target was an empty pop can at 65 yds. That was in the late eighties and early nineties. Then in 1993 I couldn't shoot a bow because of injury and gave up archery for over a decade. Four years ago I shot a friend's Mathews bow with no pain and then bought a new Swichback XT. Today my newest is the Mathews Z-7. While the three bows had simular accuracy the two modern bows with parallel limbs, 80% let off and other advances are way more fun to shoot. Recoil kind of stings the hand and arm and seems to acculate fatique. The new bows are easy to draw and hold while you wait for a good shot to present itself. So yes accuracy is about the same but I'm sure as heck not going back to a D shaped bow.
Hand shock would be a complete non-issue if I were to shop around for a new compound.
Hand shock will affect accuracy if the shooter allows, it will have more affect on newer archers. When the shooter feels the bow wanting to leap forward they could be prone to try and grab the bow, most of the time this will cause a complete miss. So the less vibration and hand shock the easier it is to stay focused and not grab the bow but to hold still. I do believe in good quality equipment. For 5 years or so I have been using an Alpine Frontier, it is a great begginners bow and I was able to keep nice groups and hit small targets with it. 2 weeks ago my Bear Attack arrived, it is truly amazing the difference I am seeing at the range and I have felt little if any hand shock not to mention the bow is fast and whisper quiet. A good feel during and after the shot will help improve accuracy even if it is mental......Anyone looking at new bows do yourself a favor and shoot the Bear Attack against Hoyt, Mathews etc you will be surprised..All great bows
You're right, my trusty Bear Polar II has absolutly no handshock and it does not affect my accuracy whatsoever. ps-- if you shoot your bow with your hand open like that out a treestand you'll likly drop it on the ground.
I think lots of folks just look for reasons to sell perfectly good bows to justify buying a new toy......
Dave,
You may call it hand-shock but I call it vibration. When you feel vibration in your hand it has traveled from the string or limbs, down your riser, through your wooden handle and into your palm. The little vibration you feel in your palm started as a much bigger vibration elsewhere on the bow. Did it affect your arrow flight? I doubt it. Especially if you have a drop-a-way rest.
BUT...
Vibration causes loose sight pins, accelerated string wear, uneven limb movement, shortens cam life and will wear out your limb pockets. Will these items affect accuracy. You betcha.
Todays risers are great at asorbing vibrations that reach your hand but have zero impact on the vibrations moving the other direction from your limb pockets, through your limbs, into your cams and into your string. In other words the little jiggle you feel in your hand is a much bigger jiggle to the rest of your bow.
Is any of this true? I'll be happy to show you my bills for replacing limb pockets, cams, strings and cables over the years.
Hey Walt,
Just so you know, I shoot my bow with my hand open like all the time, including lots of times from my treestand. Haven't dropped it once.
Sorry,
Should be: "…like that all the time…" Not like, you know, like all the time.
Buckhunter,
You're out to win on this one, I see. Great points.
Walt,
I shoot my bow with my hand open like all the time too. It just depends on what you are used to.
Dave,
For a brief moment I thought you were trying to connect with the younger generation...
I'll agree with an amendment: hand shock does not hurt accuracy in high end modern compound bows. there are, after all, plenty of modern compound bows that will vibrate the h*** out of you.
yrs-
Evan!
Great you know I never had a problem with until now.;0b that being said I never had a problem with target anxiety either until someone told me about it. Grip it and rip it the last time I looked the vitals on a deer are much bigger that a soda can. I can easily hit that at 40 yards unless i have target anxiety or now hand shock.
Lets say you have an old vehicle that has this very anoying rattle when you drive it. Does it affect the way the vehicle drives? Well that deppends on what is making said rattle, but in this case lets say it does not. So you go out and buy you a new vehicle with no rattles and it is a lot more fun to drive around, it still gets you from point A to B but a lot easier and more pleasent to drive.
+1 for buckhunter
And when I buy me a new bow at the end of this year (the 2011 Mathews or Hoyt) Im gonna shoot them both a lot and "hand-shock" WILL be a factor in helping me deside what bow I buy.
Dave-
I'll have to shoot you down.
Hand shock does effect accuracy, but not as one might think. Having a Mathews bow with every known gadget available, allows one to become more confident, focused and accurate. One doesn't have to worry about the minutia of details with the advancement of technology that has been taking place in regards to the modern day bow and accessories.
The 'ol addage, "you pay for what you get" still holds true for all outdoor enthusiasts.I had an 'ol Indian bow given to me at an early age and was constantly checking the sights, arrows for accuracy due to the vibration that came at the release of the arrow.
The bow seemingly would vibrate several times in my hand after the release resulting "sometimes" in a missed target. I would have to compensate, actually over compensate, due to the nature of the Indian bow.
Now, flash forward to last deer season. I had been sitting close to a Monster Buck's bedroom and had made all of the necessary precautions and preparations. My Mathews was in tip-top shape and so was I. I had started practicing with my bow in late June and would shoot a minimum of twenty arrows at a time,sometimes several times a day.
Deer season in Kentucky comes in early September. Everything was ready. The day I waited on the Genetic Giant, I was focused and well prepared, and hiked several miles before daylight to his bedroom. I sat in the tree stand all day seeing several deer, except the one I was after.
I decided to make a "sneaky stalk" back to the truck, while it was still daylight, hoping for an encounter with the denali of all bucks, but the Genetic Giant had disappeared that day.
While walking back to the truck I noticed several does browsing within 50-yards of my destination. I decided to take one for jerky. After stalkin' in a creekbed within twenty yards of my quarry, I released the lethal projectile to only see it hit the grass several feet in front of the lead doe.
I quietly and quickly nocked another arrow only to have the same result. Insanity comes quickly to those who "think" they are totally prepared for any type of situation that may bring the desired result of success, only to see failure face to face.
What had happened?
My form was perfect, I had put in the days of "perfect practice, makes perfect" concept, only to make one of the worst shots ever at that close of range.
Even though my bow and accessories had performed flawlessly since June ... hand shock, vibration ever so slight, was the real culprit! I probably practice shooting my bow more than the average guy. Over the months of repetitious practice, the vibration, hardly noticeable, caused a set srew to s-l-o-w-l-y loosen the perpendicular adjustment of my sight causing my point of aim to be flawed allowing an errant shot to miss the mark.
And I quote:
" As it applies to today’s compound bows, it should be called “hand-nudge” or “hand-almost-imperceptible-tremor.” Yes, back when everyone was shooting a D-shaped bow, most of us noticed that the unloading of the limbs caused the riser to recoil forward at the shot."
After reflecting back, I have come to the conclusion that the "hand-nudge" or the "hand-almost-imperceptible" is almost imperceptible, but more than that, can be down right deceptive causing one to be more lax, almost to the point of being negligent, not perceiving that the gentle nudge may result in the miss of a life time.
Since then a Limb Saver has popped off.
If I had to describe it further, it's like tooth decay and a cavity. A cavity doesn't just appear, but over a period of time as the enamel gets eatin' away unnoticed, surprise, surprise, surprise!
OUCH!
Hand Shock does effect accuracy in modern compound bows, it just takes longer for the symtons to appear to the archer. I have since placed lok-tite on all screws.
2Poppa,
Giving Buckhunter some tough competition… Very good.
Dave-- you must be a real quick grabber not to drop your bow!!
Walt,
A wrist strap will keep you from having to do a quick grab on the bow...which WILL affect accuracy. You just fire and keep the hand open the strap keeps the bow from hitting the ground
Walt,
Actually, my goal is not to grab it at all. As hengst notes, that's what my wrist sling is for. Maybe I'll post about this topic later this week.
A wrist strap?? who the heck taught you kids that crap?? sure wasn't Fred Bear or Deadly Ted. How much do they cost? hundred or so for a custom one??
Walt Smith
I made my wrish strap for free. And almost every bow hunter uses one!
Walt you can get the excellent bling sling on Ebay for under 20 dollars. I have one on my Mathews Z-7.
Shot my old Switchback XT thru 2 sets of strings and cables and never had anything vibrate off. Then again I had it tuned by my pro instead of doing it myself. Figure he has much more experience than I. It and the Z-7 are like dead in my hand on the shot which no doubt helps with that problem. All my bows in the old days would vibrate and things would get loose. Had to maintain a constant vigile for loose screws, that is not a problem now.
I started using a wrist strap after reading an article by
eeither Randy Ulmer or Chuck Adams. I tried it and liked it. They are cheap and are a great help...give one a shot you might like it
Today's post: How to make your own wrist sling. Should be up soon.
you have a point a hand shock dose nothing.(i think) as far as im concerned people need is stop beleving markerders and find a bow that accually works. ya it might be the most expencive bow or the cheepest. buy what works for you. not what people tell you that works for them. that bow might be the worst thing that you ever bought. so just go out and try differnt bows and find the one that you like. than find the best price in your area.
I'm still shooting my D-shaped Mathews feather-max.It does jump a bit but a small stabilizer takes most of it away. Like Dave I use a whisker biscuit and don't believe hand-shock is a problem. I do agree with buck hunter about the other stuff though. I also agree with walt about wrist straps (but that's another story).
I have been shooting an old darton ranger (some people dont even know what a darton is) for 20 plus years it does have a little viberation to it but does not affect the shot it is time for a new bow will probably be a diamond the wife loves hers but for dave other than loosening screws and the such hand shock does not affect the shot unless you let it
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Dave,
You may call it hand-shock but I call it vibration. When you feel vibration in your hand it has traveled from the string or limbs, down your riser, through your wooden handle and into your palm. The little vibration you feel in your palm started as a much bigger vibration elsewhere on the bow. Did it affect your arrow flight? I doubt it. Especially if you have a drop-a-way rest.
BUT...
Vibration causes loose sight pins, accelerated string wear, uneven limb movement, shortens cam life and will wear out your limb pockets. Will these items affect accuracy. You betcha.
Todays risers are great at asorbing vibrations that reach your hand but have zero impact on the vibrations moving the other direction from your limb pockets, through your limbs, into your cams and into your string. In other words the little jiggle you feel in your hand is a much bigger jiggle to the rest of your bow.
Is any of this true? I'll be happy to show you my bills for replacing limb pockets, cams, strings and cables over the years.
Dave-
I'll have to shoot you down.
Hand shock does effect accuracy, but not as one might think. Having a Mathews bow with every known gadget available, allows one to become more confident, focused and accurate. One doesn't have to worry about the minutia of details with the advancement of technology that has been taking place in regards to the modern day bow and accessories.
The 'ol addage, "you pay for what you get" still holds true for all outdoor enthusiasts.I had an 'ol Indian bow given to me at an early age and was constantly checking the sights, arrows for accuracy due to the vibration that came at the release of the arrow.
The bow seemingly would vibrate several times in my hand after the release resulting "sometimes" in a missed target. I would have to compensate, actually over compensate, due to the nature of the Indian bow.
Now, flash forward to last deer season. I had been sitting close to a Monster Buck's bedroom and had made all of the necessary precautions and preparations. My Mathews was in tip-top shape and so was I. I had started practicing with my bow in late June and would shoot a minimum of twenty arrows at a time,sometimes several times a day.
Deer season in Kentucky comes in early September. Everything was ready. The day I waited on the Genetic Giant, I was focused and well prepared, and hiked several miles before daylight to his bedroom. I sat in the tree stand all day seeing several deer, except the one I was after.
I decided to make a "sneaky stalk" back to the truck, while it was still daylight, hoping for an encounter with the denali of all bucks, but the Genetic Giant had disappeared that day.
While walking back to the truck I noticed several does browsing within 50-yards of my destination. I decided to take one for jerky. After stalkin' in a creekbed within twenty yards of my quarry, I released the lethal projectile to only see it hit the grass several feet in front of the lead doe.
I quietly and quickly nocked another arrow only to have the same result. Insanity comes quickly to those who "think" they are totally prepared for any type of situation that may bring the desired result of success, only to see failure face to face.
What had happened?
My form was perfect, I had put in the days of "perfect practice, makes perfect" concept, only to make one of the worst shots ever at that close of range.
Even though my bow and accessories had performed flawlessly since June ... hand shock, vibration ever so slight, was the real culprit! I probably practice shooting my bow more than the average guy. Over the months of repetitious practice, the vibration, hardly noticeable, caused a set srew to s-l-o-w-l-y loosen the perpendicular adjustment of my sight causing my point of aim to be flawed allowing an errant shot to miss the mark.
And I quote:
" As it applies to today’s compound bows, it should be called “hand-nudge” or “hand-almost-imperceptible-tremor.” Yes, back when everyone was shooting a D-shaped bow, most of us noticed that the unloading of the limbs caused the riser to recoil forward at the shot."
After reflecting back, I have come to the conclusion that the "hand-nudge" or the "hand-almost-imperceptible" is almost imperceptible, but more than that, can be down right deceptive causing one to be more lax, almost to the point of being negligent, not perceiving that the gentle nudge may result in the miss of a life time.
Since then a Limb Saver has popped off.
If I had to describe it further, it's like tooth decay and a cavity. A cavity doesn't just appear, but over a period of time as the enamel gets eatin' away unnoticed, surprise, surprise, surprise!
OUCH!
Hand Shock does effect accuracy in modern compound bows, it just takes longer for the symtons to appear to the archer. I have since placed lok-tite on all screws.
I agree with you as far as accuracy being the same. But IMO that is where the simularity ends. My old D shaped Hoyt was good enough for me to win a cold soda shooting against buddies. The target was an empty pop can at 65 yds. That was in the late eighties and early nineties. Then in 1993 I couldn't shoot a bow because of injury and gave up archery for over a decade. Four years ago I shot a friend's Mathews bow with no pain and then bought a new Swichback XT. Today my newest is the Mathews Z-7. While the three bows had simular accuracy the two modern bows with parallel limbs, 80% let off and other advances are way more fun to shoot. Recoil kind of stings the hand and arm and seems to acculate fatique. The new bows are easy to draw and hold while you wait for a good shot to present itself. So yes accuracy is about the same but I'm sure as heck not going back to a D shaped bow.
Hand shock would be a complete non-issue if I were to shop around for a new compound.
Walt,
I shoot my bow with my hand open like all the time too. It just depends on what you are used to.
Dave,
For a brief moment I thought you were trying to connect with the younger generation...
2Poppa,
Giving Buckhunter some tough competition… Very good.
Hand shock will affect accuracy if the shooter allows, it will have more affect on newer archers. When the shooter feels the bow wanting to leap forward they could be prone to try and grab the bow, most of the time this will cause a complete miss. So the less vibration and hand shock the easier it is to stay focused and not grab the bow but to hold still. I do believe in good quality equipment. For 5 years or so I have been using an Alpine Frontier, it is a great begginners bow and I was able to keep nice groups and hit small targets with it. 2 weeks ago my Bear Attack arrived, it is truly amazing the difference I am seeing at the range and I have felt little if any hand shock not to mention the bow is fast and whisper quiet. A good feel during and after the shot will help improve accuracy even if it is mental......Anyone looking at new bows do yourself a favor and shoot the Bear Attack against Hoyt, Mathews etc you will be surprised..All great bows
I think lots of folks just look for reasons to sell perfectly good bows to justify buying a new toy......
Hey Walt,
Just so you know, I shoot my bow with my hand open like all the time, including lots of times from my treestand. Haven't dropped it once.
Sorry,
Should be: "…like that all the time…" Not like, you know, like all the time.
Buckhunter,
You're out to win on this one, I see. Great points.
I'll agree with an amendment: hand shock does not hurt accuracy in high end modern compound bows. there are, after all, plenty of modern compound bows that will vibrate the h*** out of you.
yrs-
Evan!
Great you know I never had a problem with until now.;0b that being said I never had a problem with target anxiety either until someone told me about it. Grip it and rip it the last time I looked the vitals on a deer are much bigger that a soda can. I can easily hit that at 40 yards unless i have target anxiety or now hand shock.
Lets say you have an old vehicle that has this very anoying rattle when you drive it. Does it affect the way the vehicle drives? Well that deppends on what is making said rattle, but in this case lets say it does not. So you go out and buy you a new vehicle with no rattles and it is a lot more fun to drive around, it still gets you from point A to B but a lot easier and more pleasent to drive.
+1 for buckhunter
And when I buy me a new bow at the end of this year (the 2011 Mathews or Hoyt) Im gonna shoot them both a lot and "hand-shock" WILL be a factor in helping me deside what bow I buy.
Dave-- you must be a real quick grabber not to drop your bow!!
Walt,
A wrist strap will keep you from having to do a quick grab on the bow...which WILL affect accuracy. You just fire and keep the hand open the strap keeps the bow from hitting the ground
Walt,
Actually, my goal is not to grab it at all. As hengst notes, that's what my wrist sling is for. Maybe I'll post about this topic later this week.
A wrist strap?? who the heck taught you kids that crap?? sure wasn't Fred Bear or Deadly Ted. How much do they cost? hundred or so for a custom one??
Walt Smith
I made my wrish strap for free. And almost every bow hunter uses one!
Walt you can get the excellent bling sling on Ebay for under 20 dollars. I have one on my Mathews Z-7.
Shot my old Switchback XT thru 2 sets of strings and cables and never had anything vibrate off. Then again I had it tuned by my pro instead of doing it myself. Figure he has much more experience than I. It and the Z-7 are like dead in my hand on the shot which no doubt helps with that problem. All my bows in the old days would vibrate and things would get loose. Had to maintain a constant vigile for loose screws, that is not a problem now.
I started using a wrist strap after reading an article by
eeither Randy Ulmer or Chuck Adams. I tried it and liked it. They are cheap and are a great help...give one a shot you might like it
Today's post: How to make your own wrist sling. Should be up soon.
you have a point a hand shock dose nothing.(i think) as far as im concerned people need is stop beleving markerders and find a bow that accually works. ya it might be the most expencive bow or the cheepest. buy what works for you. not what people tell you that works for them. that bow might be the worst thing that you ever bought. so just go out and try differnt bows and find the one that you like. than find the best price in your area.
I'm still shooting my D-shaped Mathews feather-max.It does jump a bit but a small stabilizer takes most of it away. Like Dave I use a whisker biscuit and don't believe hand-shock is a problem. I do agree with buck hunter about the other stuff though. I also agree with walt about wrist straps (but that's another story).
I have been shooting an old darton ranger (some people dont even know what a darton is) for 20 plus years it does have a little viberation to it but does not affect the shot it is time for a new bow will probably be a diamond the wife loves hers but for dave other than loosening screws and the such hand shock does not affect the shot unless you let it
You're right, my trusty Bear Polar II has absolutly no handshock and it does not affect my accuracy whatsoever. ps-- if you shoot your bow with your hand open like that out a treestand you'll likly drop it on the ground.
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