


May 05, 2010
Shoot Me Down: A Bow Quiver Doesn’t Affect Accuracy
By Dave Hurteau
You know a lot of folks—including some very good archers—say that putting a quiver on a bow throws off its balance and compromises accuracy. If you’re one of these people, I’m here to tell you that you’re nuts.

Actually, I was just talking to a friend about this. “So you’re one of those headcases who thinks he can’t shoot a bow with the quiver attached,” I said.
“Yup,” he admitted. “And you’re obviously one of the morons who doesn’t know that the quiver throws off a bow’s balance.”
It’s true. I don’t know that a quiver wrecks bow balance. I don’t even suspect it. I’ve read it. I know people who claim it. Still, I’m not so sure.
So I spent a couple days shooting 300 arrows to try to gain a little insight. Specifically, I taped over the bubble level on my sight and shot 100 3-shot groups at 30 yards—50 with my quiver on, 50 with it off. I shot 2 groups at a time, with a short break in between. (A person’s got to get some real work done.) For each 2-group set, I alternated between quiver-group first and no-quiver-group first so fatigue wouldn’t play a role. Then I averaged everything up and got these results:
Average 30-Yard Group With Quiver: 2.76 inches
Average 30-Yard Group Without Quiver: 2.94 inches
I also took measurements to determine if the average point of impact was any different between the two groupings. It seems reasonable to think that if a quiver throws off balance, then the resulting groups, although tight, might be a little off to the right or left. Nope. Not by my measurements.
Of course, the two average-group sizes are too close to claim any advantage to keeping the quiver on, but I’ll try it anyway: Maybe the extra weight of the quiver makes it a tad easier to hold the pin steadily on target. But the real bottom line is this: In hunting situations, at typical whitetail distances, for average shooters like me (and probably you) I’m never going to buy that it makes a darn bit of difference. If you headcases want to take the thing off, do what makes you feel good. This moron is leaving it on—except when it crowds one of my shooting lanes, in which case I’m taking it off. (Does that make me a headcase, too?)
Anyway, I say a bow quiver does not affect accuracy. You can stand with me or shoot me down. And the person who makes the best argument will be invited to write the next “Shoot Me Down” as a guest blogger.
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I use a hip quiver because most of my bowhunting is ground level ambushes or spot and stalk, and a quiver full of arrows is like waveing a flag when trying to close the deal.
In my experience with older compound bows I did tend to notice a little bit of a difference in point of impact with a quiver attached as opposed to unattached. However, I don't really see that difference in modern bows. My guess is that it's due to modern bows having better balance/design, thereby limiting a quiver's effect on accuracy.
It really boils down to what you feel comfortable with as a shooter. Go with a setup that you have confidence in. Archery is a mental game and you need every advantage you can get!
I agree that it does not make a lick of difference if you shoot with it on, and that it wont have an adverse affect on your shooting.
What I will argue is that if you practice with it off, you should hunt with it off and vice versa. Consistency is more important overall. Should practice the same what you plan to hunt.
I agree it does not effect the point of aim or groups, i however rmove mine when hunting in a tree stand just to give a bit more clearence to move around, i have hit an arrow against a tree before trying to get the shot not good.
I'll shoot you down on this one. But not on the grounds that it effects the balance of the bow. I find it harder to shoot with the quiver on because the vanes catch the wind and push the bottom of the bow left and right. This becomes more apparent at longer distances. To be fair on a calm day it doesn't make a difference but a gust of wind can definitely screw up a shot at 40+ yards.
Your bow should shoot the same with or without your quiver.
If you are worried about .3 inches at 30 yards then the bow industry is going to love you because you are going to spend a lot of money to get that .3 inches down to .2 inches and bow manufacturers are going to be laughing all the way to the bank.
I good quiver should mount solid to the riser and capture the arrow at the tip and as low to the fletching as it can go to reduce vibration on the shot.
Eno,
If the wind is blowing enough to catch the vanes, it is going to catch the extended bow arm, extended bow, your shirt sleeves, etc. I would be willing to bet that the vanes on the arrows have almost no effect when the wind is blowing compared to the wind hitting all other parts of the bow, arm, sleeve, etc. The quiver does one thing which is to make the bow heavier and therefore more stable.
The quiver on does not throw off the balance of the bow. For a bow weighing almost 4 pounds like the one I have (which is fairly light) a few ounces of weight on the side does not create enough rotational inertia to cause the bow to move quick enough to throw off a released arrow. The short time it takes for the arrow to leave the string is not enough time for the bow to begin to rotate due to that amount of weight affixed along the length of the bow. Speaking from a physics standpoint, it is a non issue. If it isn't physics, it must be mental.
I use to shoot a lot of indoor competitive archery and we use to make aluminum blocks to offset stabilizers to counter the weight of a sight on the side of the bow but, to this day I think it was more of a mental thing than anyting. With todays technology and everything being as light and well balanced as it is I really do not feel a difference with or without. If anything I like the extra weight of the quiver if I am shooting a light set up. Archery has always been a mind game and I could as find a reason for throwing point when I was shooting well and It was never me always the equipment. So I say if a quiver gives you confidence than use it, a little metal block gave it to me.
I have two quivers - a 4 arrow and a 6 arrow. One captures shafts in two places - for mechanical heads. The other captures shafts in one place, with the fixed broadheads seated in the hood. Not enough difference in precision or accuracy for me to notice. Quiver comes off in the treestand just because it is easier and quieter to rest and maneuver the bow without it.
Quiver or no quiver its practice that counts the most.
Consistency is what hits the target every time no matter what u r shooting. So wether u keep it on or take it off doesnt make any difference as long as the bow is in the same configuration when it matters, and u really cant miss the target. That said every true pistolero knows holding a heavy pistola steady is easier than a light one and therefore it buffets trembling and pulse better than a light one. pure inertia physics. How much of an effect this has on a bow is something i dont have personal experience with since bowhunting isnt legal here, and what handmade bows we kids made back yonder didnt have even rudimentary sights on and our arrows was handcut wood sharpened with pencilsharpeners. But my old russian Toz 22lr. grouped 3 times tighter with the silencer on than off and gave the gun better balance, so i shot it better from unsupported positions too. Personally if i could bowhunt and had the choice to have a quiver on or off the bow i think id keep it off and probably hunt with a cleanlined hightech recurve bow just cos the modern compound bow with all fixtures and fittings and a quiver added too rightly looks like a mess. my christmastree looks less busy. Bow of the desert even. and if the quiver attached to the bow reduced visibility too you bettya it be off. Modern compounds might look fierce and all, but to me its just technomasturbation on a serious nerdy level.
I just know that if robin hood had seen one of those he would have gotten a stroke or heartattack laughing his b-hind off :P
I agree w/Ranger's opinion. I've shot my bow with and without my quiver attached and @ the ranges I hunt (30 yards and less) I've not noticed any real difference in poi.
I do take my quiver off in the tree to make the bow less bulky and easier to maneuver.
The question and answer are in the article. "...I spent a couple days shooting 300 arrows". That is it in a nutshell. I'll bet anything, the people who think a quiver has a dramatic effect on accuracy haven't shot 300 arrows in the past 3 years.
The only problem I have ever had with shooting with my quiver has been in my tree stand. It sometimes affects mobility in the stand. I always practice both with and without my quiver, because you never know what your hunting situation is going to be.
I agree with you! shooting with your quiver does not effect accuracy. It does effect the handeling and noise of your bow, which is why I always detach mine when I get set up either on the ground or in the air! That and it adds unnessary weight when your at full draw and maybe have to wait a minute or so!!
I shoot with and without my quiver all the time and never effected my accuracy of "MOC" (Minute Of Coffee Cup at 50 yards or a dollar bill folded in half or your credit card!
Bunch of Girlymen I say who shoot 380's and 9mm and I shoot a 45 because they don't make a 46!
Papa B.
haven't shot 300 arrows in the past 3 years? Perhaps even in there life yet alone walk that far away form the car and I didn't say truck or ATV!
Yep! About sums it up!
I'm right here with you on this one. I don't believe that it matters other than maybe adding a tiny bit of extra noise, depending on the fit of the quiver to the bow. However, I will admit that, when practicing, I shoot with the quiver off just to reduce the weight and slow down fatigue. But when hunting, I usually leave the quiver attached if I'm in my climber.
i used to have a quiver on my bow it attached in the same place my sight did i guess the only grounds i could "shoot you down" is that the quiver provided leverage for the bolts of my sight to move with the slightest touch. I spent a lot of time sighting my bow in before finally taking it off i don't think it effected my shots once my bow was sighted in. Just as others have said another thing to get in the way.
I carry/ wear mine instead of it being on my bow. Simply because arrows hanging off the side of my bow have got bumped on the stand while sighting in on an animal. I practice the way I hunt. I dont think it effects my shot placement one bit I miss with or without it ;0)
In archery I am a trad, very trad. I did try a bow quiver once and I didn't like it much. I don't even have sights on my bow why would I clutter it up with a bowquiver? I had a back quiver but I use one that hangs at my waist these days. Oh and I make every piece of my own gear but the bowstring and the broadhead. fingertab, bracer, etc.
The woods where I roam are very thick with brush and blowdowns, a clean bow doesn't hang up on twigs or leaves so much.
we'd need all your measurements to know for sure, but I doubt the difference is statistically significant.
In my experience, neither way is better, but it's wise to pick one and stick with it. I shoot without my quiver attached, but this is mostly in order to improve mobility in the tree stand - arrows stick out and get caught on stuff.
yrs-
Evan!
I have been shooting a bow and hunting for 52 years, using Long Bows, Laminated Recurves, and now Compounds. I have shot and hunted having quivers on and off my bows. I don't think I ever really thought about its affect to my shooting. The more I practiced, the better I shot no mater if the quiver was on or not. I agree that a persons hunting conditions can affect the idea of hanging the quiver on or off the bow but that needs to be addressed the same as if you were hunting in mountainous terrain or the flat-lands. I think the greater aspect is how confidant you feel with your equipment and how it is set up. Lets face the fact that if you think it has an affect on your shooting it inevitably will do just that. Your mind plays an enormous part in your human functions. So I would have to agree that "for me" it doesn't make any difference at all and I still shoot and hunt with my quiver on and sometimes off my bow. The key is "Practice, Practice, Practice!
I think it dosent make a difference in the accuracy at all. I can see where some people would say that it makes it unbalanced because it clips on to the side adding more weight to one side. When hunting it can also act as camouflage.
Beyond adding weight to the bow...a mounted quiver also doesn't allow the bow to lay flat across your lap if you're sitting on stand.
I haven't experienced accuracy issues with it on, either.
dighunter,
Randy Ulmer and friends seem to think it does make a difference.
http://www.randyulmer.com/archive/category/bowhunter-magazine-shooting-t...
"To find out for sure, I got together with a few friends for some informal testing. The group was made up of very good competitive shooters who were also bowhunters. We shot at 40 yards with our bow-mounted quivers full of arrows. Then we each removed one arrow at a time until our 8-arrow quivers were empty. We found that the point of impact moved less than two inches at 40 yards. From a bow balance standpoint, I find it hard to make a case against bow quivers.
There is a second, more significant, way that bow quivers can affect your accuracy. When shooting in the wind a bow quiver filled with arrows makes the bow harder to hold steady than one without a quiver attached. On windy days I’ll consider removing my quiver for the shot even when I’m hunting on foot. Tree stand hunters have the opportunity to get rid of the quiver altogether, and that’s my advice. Attach it to the tree (or the stand) in a handy location so you don’t give up any second shot capability."
Since compound bows are shot in the veritical position I don't think a quiver matters.For A traditional archer who cant's their bow it might make a difference. I always hang my quiver in my tree stand but once I forgot my hanger and still made a good shot on my bigest buck yet.
I think it also depends on the design of the quiver,whether it is monunted close to the bow or not,if you practice with it on or off the shoot that way.I take mine off because mine sits out away from the bow and i feel it effects it,also because of noise and vibration worrys,what if a arrow happens to be a bit loose,I also paint the shafts white for 12 inches and i dont want to be waving a flag around.all my opinion though
I can see older quivers that did not grip the arrows the way todays quivers do could create some shooting problems. I think the big problem was loose or rattling arrows or quivers at the release causing deer to jump the string. I shoot with and without and see no difference in my groupings. I do remove my quiver while hunting, easier to move the bow without one attached and easier to rest on my lap if needed.
my main concern is a quiver full of arrows will make a lot of noise . they vibrate and that = noise.
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I agree that it does not make a lick of difference if you shoot with it on, and that it wont have an adverse affect on your shooting.
What I will argue is that if you practice with it off, you should hunt with it off and vice versa. Consistency is more important overall. Should practice the same what you plan to hunt.
Quiver or no quiver its practice that counts the most.
I use a hip quiver because most of my bowhunting is ground level ambushes or spot and stalk, and a quiver full of arrows is like waveing a flag when trying to close the deal.
In my experience with older compound bows I did tend to notice a little bit of a difference in point of impact with a quiver attached as opposed to unattached. However, I don't really see that difference in modern bows. My guess is that it's due to modern bows having better balance/design, thereby limiting a quiver's effect on accuracy.
It really boils down to what you feel comfortable with as a shooter. Go with a setup that you have confidence in. Archery is a mental game and you need every advantage you can get!
I agree it does not effect the point of aim or groups, i however rmove mine when hunting in a tree stand just to give a bit more clearence to move around, i have hit an arrow against a tree before trying to get the shot not good.
Your bow should shoot the same with or without your quiver.
If you are worried about .3 inches at 30 yards then the bow industry is going to love you because you are going to spend a lot of money to get that .3 inches down to .2 inches and bow manufacturers are going to be laughing all the way to the bank.
I good quiver should mount solid to the riser and capture the arrow at the tip and as low to the fletching as it can go to reduce vibration on the shot.
Consistency is what hits the target every time no matter what u r shooting. So wether u keep it on or take it off doesnt make any difference as long as the bow is in the same configuration when it matters, and u really cant miss the target. That said every true pistolero knows holding a heavy pistola steady is easier than a light one and therefore it buffets trembling and pulse better than a light one. pure inertia physics. How much of an effect this has on a bow is something i dont have personal experience with since bowhunting isnt legal here, and what handmade bows we kids made back yonder didnt have even rudimentary sights on and our arrows was handcut wood sharpened with pencilsharpeners. But my old russian Toz 22lr. grouped 3 times tighter with the silencer on than off and gave the gun better balance, so i shot it better from unsupported positions too. Personally if i could bowhunt and had the choice to have a quiver on or off the bow i think id keep it off and probably hunt with a cleanlined hightech recurve bow just cos the modern compound bow with all fixtures and fittings and a quiver added too rightly looks like a mess. my christmastree looks less busy. Bow of the desert even. and if the quiver attached to the bow reduced visibility too you bettya it be off. Modern compounds might look fierce and all, but to me its just technomasturbation on a serious nerdy level.
I just know that if robin hood had seen one of those he would have gotten a stroke or heartattack laughing his b-hind off :P
I'll shoot you down on this one. But not on the grounds that it effects the balance of the bow. I find it harder to shoot with the quiver on because the vanes catch the wind and push the bottom of the bow left and right. This becomes more apparent at longer distances. To be fair on a calm day it doesn't make a difference but a gust of wind can definitely screw up a shot at 40+ yards.
Eno,
If the wind is blowing enough to catch the vanes, it is going to catch the extended bow arm, extended bow, your shirt sleeves, etc. I would be willing to bet that the vanes on the arrows have almost no effect when the wind is blowing compared to the wind hitting all other parts of the bow, arm, sleeve, etc. The quiver does one thing which is to make the bow heavier and therefore more stable.
The quiver on does not throw off the balance of the bow. For a bow weighing almost 4 pounds like the one I have (which is fairly light) a few ounces of weight on the side does not create enough rotational inertia to cause the bow to move quick enough to throw off a released arrow. The short time it takes for the arrow to leave the string is not enough time for the bow to begin to rotate due to that amount of weight affixed along the length of the bow. Speaking from a physics standpoint, it is a non issue. If it isn't physics, it must be mental.
I use to shoot a lot of indoor competitive archery and we use to make aluminum blocks to offset stabilizers to counter the weight of a sight on the side of the bow but, to this day I think it was more of a mental thing than anyting. With todays technology and everything being as light and well balanced as it is I really do not feel a difference with or without. If anything I like the extra weight of the quiver if I am shooting a light set up. Archery has always been a mind game and I could as find a reason for throwing point when I was shooting well and It was never me always the equipment. So I say if a quiver gives you confidence than use it, a little metal block gave it to me.
I have two quivers - a 4 arrow and a 6 arrow. One captures shafts in two places - for mechanical heads. The other captures shafts in one place, with the fixed broadheads seated in the hood. Not enough difference in precision or accuracy for me to notice. Quiver comes off in the treestand just because it is easier and quieter to rest and maneuver the bow without it.
I agree w/Ranger's opinion. I've shot my bow with and without my quiver attached and @ the ranges I hunt (30 yards and less) I've not noticed any real difference in poi.
I do take my quiver off in the tree to make the bow less bulky and easier to maneuver.
The question and answer are in the article. "...I spent a couple days shooting 300 arrows". That is it in a nutshell. I'll bet anything, the people who think a quiver has a dramatic effect on accuracy haven't shot 300 arrows in the past 3 years.
The only problem I have ever had with shooting with my quiver has been in my tree stand. It sometimes affects mobility in the stand. I always practice both with and without my quiver, because you never know what your hunting situation is going to be.
I agree with you! shooting with your quiver does not effect accuracy. It does effect the handeling and noise of your bow, which is why I always detach mine when I get set up either on the ground or in the air! That and it adds unnessary weight when your at full draw and maybe have to wait a minute or so!!
I shoot with and without my quiver all the time and never effected my accuracy of "MOC" (Minute Of Coffee Cup at 50 yards or a dollar bill folded in half or your credit card!
Papa B.
haven't shot 300 arrows in the past 3 years? Perhaps even in there life yet alone walk that far away form the car and I didn't say truck or ATV!
Yep! About sums it up!
I'm right here with you on this one. I don't believe that it matters other than maybe adding a tiny bit of extra noise, depending on the fit of the quiver to the bow. However, I will admit that, when practicing, I shoot with the quiver off just to reduce the weight and slow down fatigue. But when hunting, I usually leave the quiver attached if I'm in my climber.
i used to have a quiver on my bow it attached in the same place my sight did i guess the only grounds i could "shoot you down" is that the quiver provided leverage for the bolts of my sight to move with the slightest touch. I spent a lot of time sighting my bow in before finally taking it off i don't think it effected my shots once my bow was sighted in. Just as others have said another thing to get in the way.
I carry/ wear mine instead of it being on my bow. Simply because arrows hanging off the side of my bow have got bumped on the stand while sighting in on an animal. I practice the way I hunt. I dont think it effects my shot placement one bit I miss with or without it ;0)
In archery I am a trad, very trad. I did try a bow quiver once and I didn't like it much. I don't even have sights on my bow why would I clutter it up with a bowquiver? I had a back quiver but I use one that hangs at my waist these days. Oh and I make every piece of my own gear but the bowstring and the broadhead. fingertab, bracer, etc.
The woods where I roam are very thick with brush and blowdowns, a clean bow doesn't hang up on twigs or leaves so much.
we'd need all your measurements to know for sure, but I doubt the difference is statistically significant.
In my experience, neither way is better, but it's wise to pick one and stick with it. I shoot without my quiver attached, but this is mostly in order to improve mobility in the tree stand - arrows stick out and get caught on stuff.
yrs-
Evan!
I have been shooting a bow and hunting for 52 years, using Long Bows, Laminated Recurves, and now Compounds. I have shot and hunted having quivers on and off my bows. I don't think I ever really thought about its affect to my shooting. The more I practiced, the better I shot no mater if the quiver was on or not. I agree that a persons hunting conditions can affect the idea of hanging the quiver on or off the bow but that needs to be addressed the same as if you were hunting in mountainous terrain or the flat-lands. I think the greater aspect is how confidant you feel with your equipment and how it is set up. Lets face the fact that if you think it has an affect on your shooting it inevitably will do just that. Your mind plays an enormous part in your human functions. So I would have to agree that "for me" it doesn't make any difference at all and I still shoot and hunt with my quiver on and sometimes off my bow. The key is "Practice, Practice, Practice!
I think it dosent make a difference in the accuracy at all. I can see where some people would say that it makes it unbalanced because it clips on to the side adding more weight to one side. When hunting it can also act as camouflage.
Beyond adding weight to the bow...a mounted quiver also doesn't allow the bow to lay flat across your lap if you're sitting on stand.
I haven't experienced accuracy issues with it on, either.
dighunter,
Randy Ulmer and friends seem to think it does make a difference.
http://www.randyulmer.com/archive/category/bowhunter-magazine-shooting-t...
"To find out for sure, I got together with a few friends for some informal testing. The group was made up of very good competitive shooters who were also bowhunters. We shot at 40 yards with our bow-mounted quivers full of arrows. Then we each removed one arrow at a time until our 8-arrow quivers were empty. We found that the point of impact moved less than two inches at 40 yards. From a bow balance standpoint, I find it hard to make a case against bow quivers.
There is a second, more significant, way that bow quivers can affect your accuracy. When shooting in the wind a bow quiver filled with arrows makes the bow harder to hold steady than one without a quiver attached. On windy days I’ll consider removing my quiver for the shot even when I’m hunting on foot. Tree stand hunters have the opportunity to get rid of the quiver altogether, and that’s my advice. Attach it to the tree (or the stand) in a handy location so you don’t give up any second shot capability."
Since compound bows are shot in the veritical position I don't think a quiver matters.For A traditional archer who cant's their bow it might make a difference. I always hang my quiver in my tree stand but once I forgot my hanger and still made a good shot on my bigest buck yet.
I think it also depends on the design of the quiver,whether it is monunted close to the bow or not,if you practice with it on or off the shoot that way.I take mine off because mine sits out away from the bow and i feel it effects it,also because of noise and vibration worrys,what if a arrow happens to be a bit loose,I also paint the shafts white for 12 inches and i dont want to be waving a flag around.all my opinion though
I can see older quivers that did not grip the arrows the way todays quivers do could create some shooting problems. I think the big problem was loose or rattling arrows or quivers at the release causing deer to jump the string. I shoot with and without and see no difference in my groupings. I do remove my quiver while hunting, easier to move the bow without one attached and easier to rest on my lap if needed.
my main concern is a quiver full of arrows will make a lot of noise . they vibrate and that = noise.
Bunch of Girlymen I say who shoot 380's and 9mm and I shoot a 45 because they don't make a 46!
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