


March 17, 2009
Discussion Topic: On The Park Service’s New Lead-Free Goal
By Dave Hurteau
From a National Park Service press release:
“Our goal is to eliminate the use of lead ammunition and lead fishing tackle in parks by the end of 2010,” said Acting National Park Service Director Dan Wenk. “We want to take a leadership role in removing lead from the environment.”
Individual states may have something to say about that, however. For example, from The Charleston Gazette:
West Virginia fish and wildlife officials said they "have serious concerns" about the Park Service's lead-free goal. . . .
Paul Johansen, the DNR's assistant wildlife chief, said he and other DNR officials "would welcome a dialogue with [Park Service officials], but I would hope they would not come to the table with a preconceived notion that banning all lead ammo and fishing tackle . . . is the only way to go. . . ."
This will come down to the powers of the states versus the power of the federal government," [said DNR chief Curtis Taylor]. "I'll be in Washington next week for a meeting of the North American Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, and you can bet [the lead-ban proposal] will be a hot topic."
Your reaction?
Comments (20)
I never have understood why lead is supposed to be the scourge of the waterfowl population. Aren't these the same ducks that come from Canada and winter in Mexico? I believe lead shot is legal in both places, so why are its supposedly deleterious effects not observable in the duck populations of either country? This is another example of a rule searching for a rationale. The only benefit inures to manufacturers of lead substitutes like bismuth and other unobtainium $30 for half a box loads. We wonder why hunter numbers are dwindling when the sport becomes more expensive every day. Steel shot saves waterfowl alright, but it does it in the same way Nerf shot would. I realize not everyone will share this opinion, but I say, "Lay on, Macduff, And d***'d be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'"
Another case of trumped up research ruling over reason and science. Also, another backdoor attack on the sportsmen and women of America. This is the type of thing the government does that gets lots of headlines, requires no action but the stroke of a pen and the average American thinks is wonderful. Look at what we have done, aren't we great for eliminating this potential hazard, let's all pat each other on the fanny...
Uh oh, I think I'm bitter again...
I did some research after posting. Can anyone confirm that lead shot has been banned in Canada? When I was a beginning duck hunter, it was legal there, and that always frosted my kiwis. The Canucks could fling lead at them all day, but when they got here, they got the kinder, gentler shot. Then our neighbors to the south cleaned up the ones that got past us. We in the U.S. were the only ones getting the shaft, as per usual.
Maybe the goverment will replace all our leaded ammo with brand new copper ammo from say Barnes at no cost. Pretty soon they'll have a study saying that burned gunpowder that comes out the end of the barrel is toxic and should be banned also. I'm getting bitter right along with Beeheeper.
This is very typical overegulation. Chipping away,...if they can't outlaw our guns they'll just make it rediculously expensive, inconvienent, and threaten the supply (in this case, of ammo).
Has anybody found good, affordable, nontoxic factory ammunition for a .270 WSM.. no? I didn't think so. Is this an attempt at rolling back hunting priveledges in some of the parks? That would be underhanded, but clever. I fear it's just stupidity, however, which is more disappointing. I'm willing to switch if the government makes sure "friendlier" ammo is readily available, reimburses the companies for changing their process, then subsidizes the ammo so it doesn't hit the shooting crowd so much. Oh.. and I want them to either buy out or allow me to shoot out my stockpile.
After I recieve the above I want everything on Steve Martin's Christmas wish list.
If they ban lead in National Parks just as firearms owners have had their rights restored in National Parks I say we all switch to depleted uranium.
It's bogus, and everyone needs to get on the phone and mail with your representatives on the state and federal level to insist that the Federal Government provide evidence to support the allegations that lead ammo and fishing tackle cause enough environmental damage to warrant this ban. Without such proof, this ban is arbitrary and unfair to sportsmen.
This is a test, and if sportsmen don't rally and take an active role in fighting it, you can count on seeing it move through other federal agencies, such as National Forest Service and BLM.
Don't just bicker and fuss to one another... make your voices heard to your elected officials!
This is about "gun control" without the election losing "gun banning" that Democrats figured out costs them elections.
Make it too expensive and troublesome to shoot and many won't.
Jim
I could believe that there would be a real benefit to switching out lead fishing tackle. The way that stuff can be lost, it's small size, and the way fish will eat just about anything makes it reasonable to assume it could be a problem. Besides, the alternatives work just as well, and aren't that too expensive.
Bullets however are a different story. I've seen nothing to support the idea that lead from gut piles hurts wildlife. And the alternatives are not as good, and cost a lot more. That said, I know that the lead core Swift bullets sell for a lot more than the Hornady, Barnes, and Nosler all copper bullets do on MidwayUSA's website.
Maybe we should have a law that says unless you pay a license fee and tax that covers wildlife/ habitat conservation, you don't get to b_tch about how others use public lands. Damn, now I'm bitter to.
I am a little confused here. To my understanding there is no hunting allowed in National Parks anyway which negates the use of lead shot or bullets except in the case of professional hunters hired by NPS to cull herds. Beyond that, most fishing that I have seen in National Parks (at least out here in the west) is all fly fishing and while I am no expert I have never heard of fly fishing with split shot (for other types of fishing it does appear, per articles in this magazine over the last couple of months, there are reasonable alternatives to split lead sinkers). So, I guess that the people this really restricts are the NPS themselves.
Now, I am not saying that I support this move; I do think it appears to be another action within a broader framework to restrict the rights of firearms owners by the current administration, but I’m trying to find the practicality of it. If the NPS doesn’t want their PHs to use lead shot then fine, and they will get charged more from PHs for their culling activities. Beyond the overt restricting of firearms owner’s rights, this appears to be regulation for the sake of regulation and for me that is really scary, the NPS has decided to focus their resources to do paperwork to create regulations rather than to better manage the parks themselves.
Folks,
We here in CA are living with a lead ban in a good chunk of the state. We got blindsided and it was law before we knew it. Now we gotta live with it and its a pain. Lead ammo is expensive and not available in a lot of calibers and weights. The law makers don't care.
Fight this now! Screaming antigun rhetoric doesn't work. Fight it with economics, political clout and a concerted group effort. Write your congressman, your senators, the NPS folks and be polite but express your displeasure with the ban and maybe you've got a chance.
Once the lead ban is in-place, you'll never be able to go back.
Heres what I am wondering... How the heck can the lead ban on fishing gear be enforced? Im sure there are some lead jigheads and other various stuff in my tackle box that I am not even aware has lead in it. I think this is a bit of overkill. Also....the price of ammo is going to skyrocket.
I guess for anybody that wants this ban to be avoided, the only thing to do is to get together and make a stand.
Nate
I think our lead shot rules are just dandy as they are, but I think we could do better in the lead free fishing department, where the heavy, affordable performance of lead is not as necessary.
Where do these morons think lead comes from? Could it be that lead is mined FROM the environment?? Do these morons think lead appears out of thin air just to do harm to everything everywhere?
Next thing you know, they'll be wanting to ban volcanoes because, hey, it erupts and spews forth lava and leaves a trail of destruction in its wake. Let's not forget to mention all the smoke and ash and greenhouse gases too.
These morons are looking for solutions to problems that don't exist.
Lead bullets pose no environment impact and if that was the case why then why are shooting ranges especially military ranges shut down because of this. Tree leaves put far more arsenic in the water creating a far more impact than anything else!
Lead harming the environment is nothing but hype!
The biggest question on my mind is how it will be enforced...especially with fishing gear. They are making a lot of ammunition lead-free now but I have not really heard of fishing gear and tackles and weights being lead-free. Also, how can you tell? Not many people are going to be transporting their tackle and weights in the original boxes/packages which hold what it is made out of.
Fishing and hunting manufacturing industries would have to change. There isn't a huge selection on steel jig heads! The (outdoorsman)consumer would take a hit in the pocket book. As a hunter and fisherman i am willing to pay the price if it will conserve the enviroment for our future and the future of our childrens, children.
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I never have understood why lead is supposed to be the scourge of the waterfowl population. Aren't these the same ducks that come from Canada and winter in Mexico? I believe lead shot is legal in both places, so why are its supposedly deleterious effects not observable in the duck populations of either country? This is another example of a rule searching for a rationale. The only benefit inures to manufacturers of lead substitutes like bismuth and other unobtainium $30 for half a box loads. We wonder why hunter numbers are dwindling when the sport becomes more expensive every day. Steel shot saves waterfowl alright, but it does it in the same way Nerf shot would. I realize not everyone will share this opinion, but I say, "Lay on, Macduff, And d***'d be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'"
Maybe the goverment will replace all our leaded ammo with brand new copper ammo from say Barnes at no cost. Pretty soon they'll have a study saying that burned gunpowder that comes out the end of the barrel is toxic and should be banned also. I'm getting bitter right along with Beeheeper.
This is very typical overegulation. Chipping away,...if they can't outlaw our guns they'll just make it rediculously expensive, inconvienent, and threaten the supply (in this case, of ammo).
If they ban lead in National Parks just as firearms owners have had their rights restored in National Parks I say we all switch to depleted uranium.
It's bogus, and everyone needs to get on the phone and mail with your representatives on the state and federal level to insist that the Federal Government provide evidence to support the allegations that lead ammo and fishing tackle cause enough environmental damage to warrant this ban. Without such proof, this ban is arbitrary and unfair to sportsmen.
This is a test, and if sportsmen don't rally and take an active role in fighting it, you can count on seeing it move through other federal agencies, such as National Forest Service and BLM.
Don't just bicker and fuss to one another... make your voices heard to your elected officials!
Folks,
We here in CA are living with a lead ban in a good chunk of the state. We got blindsided and it was law before we knew it. Now we gotta live with it and its a pain. Lead ammo is expensive and not available in a lot of calibers and weights. The law makers don't care.
Fight this now! Screaming antigun rhetoric doesn't work. Fight it with economics, political clout and a concerted group effort. Write your congressman, your senators, the NPS folks and be polite but express your displeasure with the ban and maybe you've got a chance.
Once the lead ban is in-place, you'll never be able to go back.
Lead bullets pose no environment impact and if that was the case why then why are shooting ranges especially military ranges shut down because of this. Tree leaves put far more arsenic in the water creating a far more impact than anything else!
Lead harming the environment is nothing but hype!
The biggest question on my mind is how it will be enforced...especially with fishing gear. They are making a lot of ammunition lead-free now but I have not really heard of fishing gear and tackles and weights being lead-free. Also, how can you tell? Not many people are going to be transporting their tackle and weights in the original boxes/packages which hold what it is made out of.
Another case of trumped up research ruling over reason and science. Also, another backdoor attack on the sportsmen and women of America. This is the type of thing the government does that gets lots of headlines, requires no action but the stroke of a pen and the average American thinks is wonderful. Look at what we have done, aren't we great for eliminating this potential hazard, let's all pat each other on the fanny...
Uh oh, I think I'm bitter again...
I did some research after posting. Can anyone confirm that lead shot has been banned in Canada? When I was a beginning duck hunter, it was legal there, and that always frosted my kiwis. The Canucks could fling lead at them all day, but when they got here, they got the kinder, gentler shot. Then our neighbors to the south cleaned up the ones that got past us. We in the U.S. were the only ones getting the shaft, as per usual.
Has anybody found good, affordable, nontoxic factory ammunition for a .270 WSM.. no? I didn't think so. Is this an attempt at rolling back hunting priveledges in some of the parks? That would be underhanded, but clever. I fear it's just stupidity, however, which is more disappointing. I'm willing to switch if the government makes sure "friendlier" ammo is readily available, reimburses the companies for changing their process, then subsidizes the ammo so it doesn't hit the shooting crowd so much. Oh.. and I want them to either buy out or allow me to shoot out my stockpile.
After I recieve the above I want everything on Steve Martin's Christmas wish list.
This is about "gun control" without the election losing "gun banning" that Democrats figured out costs them elections.
Make it too expensive and troublesome to shoot and many won't.
Jim
I could believe that there would be a real benefit to switching out lead fishing tackle. The way that stuff can be lost, it's small size, and the way fish will eat just about anything makes it reasonable to assume it could be a problem. Besides, the alternatives work just as well, and aren't that too expensive.
Bullets however are a different story. I've seen nothing to support the idea that lead from gut piles hurts wildlife. And the alternatives are not as good, and cost a lot more. That said, I know that the lead core Swift bullets sell for a lot more than the Hornady, Barnes, and Nosler all copper bullets do on MidwayUSA's website.
Maybe we should have a law that says unless you pay a license fee and tax that covers wildlife/ habitat conservation, you don't get to b_tch about how others use public lands. Damn, now I'm bitter to.
I am a little confused here. To my understanding there is no hunting allowed in National Parks anyway which negates the use of lead shot or bullets except in the case of professional hunters hired by NPS to cull herds. Beyond that, most fishing that I have seen in National Parks (at least out here in the west) is all fly fishing and while I am no expert I have never heard of fly fishing with split shot (for other types of fishing it does appear, per articles in this magazine over the last couple of months, there are reasonable alternatives to split lead sinkers). So, I guess that the people this really restricts are the NPS themselves.
Now, I am not saying that I support this move; I do think it appears to be another action within a broader framework to restrict the rights of firearms owners by the current administration, but I’m trying to find the practicality of it. If the NPS doesn’t want their PHs to use lead shot then fine, and they will get charged more from PHs for their culling activities. Beyond the overt restricting of firearms owner’s rights, this appears to be regulation for the sake of regulation and for me that is really scary, the NPS has decided to focus their resources to do paperwork to create regulations rather than to better manage the parks themselves.
Heres what I am wondering... How the heck can the lead ban on fishing gear be enforced? Im sure there are some lead jigheads and other various stuff in my tackle box that I am not even aware has lead in it. I think this is a bit of overkill. Also....the price of ammo is going to skyrocket.
I guess for anybody that wants this ban to be avoided, the only thing to do is to get together and make a stand.
Nate
I think our lead shot rules are just dandy as they are, but I think we could do better in the lead free fishing department, where the heavy, affordable performance of lead is not as necessary.
Where do these morons think lead comes from? Could it be that lead is mined FROM the environment?? Do these morons think lead appears out of thin air just to do harm to everything everywhere?
Next thing you know, they'll be wanting to ban volcanoes because, hey, it erupts and spews forth lava and leaves a trail of destruction in its wake. Let's not forget to mention all the smoke and ash and greenhouse gases too.
These morons are looking for solutions to problems that don't exist.
Fishing and hunting manufacturing industries would have to change. There isn't a huge selection on steel jig heads! The (outdoorsman)consumer would take a hit in the pocket book. As a hunter and fisherman i am willing to pay the price if it will conserve the enviroment for our future and the future of our childrens, children.
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