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Chad Love: PayPal Hates Guns?
Several months ago when I professed my unrequited love for fine English shotguns, longtime author, falconer and double gun aficionado Steve Bodio suggested I check out the website of British shooting journalist and shotgun broker Diggory Hadoke.
It's a good resource for keeping up with the current state of the British shotgun market, and despite the fact I can't afford a British shooting jacket, much less a shotgun, I try to peruse the site on a semi-regular basis just for the escapism factor. Some guys have porn, others have gambling or drugs. I have unattainable shotguns.
But as I was on the site a few days ago, this bit of news caught my eye.
"Paypal - Not only do they not want our business but they have banned us from using Paypal in any capacity ever again. Why? - because they found out we sell guns and gun accessories! What they thought a company called Vintage Guns sold when they accepted us in the first place I can only guess! The inconvenience has been considerable but I'm pleased to announce that we will be introducing WorldPay, the RBS system which is less arbitrary in its decrees over what is a 'nice' business and what is not. This system will once again allow clients to buy goods and services on-line through the website in a fast and secure manner."
I don't use Paypal because I believe the words "pay" and "pal" to be mutually exclusive, so I know nothing of their policies regarding gun and shooting-related businesses. But virtually everyone else in the free world does. Is this true? Does Paypal really discriminate against completely legal and legitimate businesses and individuals simply because said businesses and individuals are involved in the shooting sports? If it is true then maybe "Paypal" should change its name to "Payprick." At least it'd be more honest...
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Chad,
Here's how it plays out. e-Bay is a CA-based company that hates firearms but allows the sale of firearms accessories via its auctioning services. PayPal was started by e-Bay to service the payment needs of the auctioning community, thus inheriting e-Bay's anti-gun stance. The company will ban any user caught using the service to pay for a firearm. Firearm accessories, as far as I know, are still acceptable.
Got to wonder how much of this is mandated by lawyers. Companies are shying away from anything that can get them into lawsuits.
I'm glad I read this. I opened a paypal account some time ago but I never use it. Now I know I won't use it.
MLH I agree. It think some of them are getting bad advice from the legal department. I shall still refrain from using their service when possible.
My wife and I have used PayPal in the past. That's done AFAIC based on what I've read here.
I already knew about Paypal's anti firearm bias. I have used Paypal before because it was the only service some vendors I purchased from utilized. It's another good idea ruined by a few select morons.
so pornography and drug Paraphernalia is OK, but guns are not? Give me a break!
If you're like I was with regard to double guns, i.e., you don't know a chopper lump from an island lock, check out Diggory Hadoke's book on the subject that is specifically aimed at neophytes. It's available on his website or on Amazon, and no, I don't get a cut. That is unfortunate, because it's going to be around for a long time.
yep, backwards gun grabbers are worming there way towards a full gun grab. they try stunts like this then if it works they go bigger.
I had my Paypal account suspended a couple years ago because I accepted payment for a completely legal gun sale through them. I wrote them a nice e-mail explaing that they should stick to thier business, which is basically transferring money between accounts, and not worry about what the money is being transferred for. I got no response. dmayer4741 makes a great point, paypal doesn't seem to care if you want to buy a bunch of porn or a crack pipe, but don't even think about buying or selling a gun.
"Some guys have porn, others have gambling or drugs. I have unattainable shotguns." how true you should make that saying in to a bumper sticker
I have a Paypal account and the reason they gave me for their stance against firearms was that they claimed the Asian guy Choe that killed all the students in Virginia Tech had purchased parts for his weapons on Ebay and payed for them through Paypal. That's why you can't get firearms parts like barrels and receivers on Ebay anymore.
"the reason they gave me for their stance against firearms was that they claimed the Asian guy Choe that killed all the students in Virginia Tech had purchased parts for his weapons on Ebay and payed for them through Paypal."
That's nonsense.
First, PayPal was anti-gun prior to the VA Tech shootings. I bought as pistol off of GunBroker in 2003/4 and I couldn't use PayPal to pay for it then.
Second, the reason stated is a blatant lie as Cho purchased his firearms from a dealer - not through parts purchased on e-bay. Especially since e-Bay does not allow the following items for sale on their network: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/firearms-weapons-knives.html.
PayPal was blowing smoke in the worst way. Note: I am not critiquing the poster, rather PayPal's reasons.
I should add, that the posted policy has been the policy of e-Bay since the early 2000s.
I had no idea but I guess it does make sense because other gun/ammo website don't use paypal... but they probably do not want to deal with the lawsuits and such. When it comes to guns and ammo, I guess they think there is too much of a risk.
I had not heard about this. I will think twice about using payprick again.
Thanks for the heads up! My money is as green as the next guys. If paypal & the rest of the anti gun kooks don't want my business, Good I wont buy anything on ebay again.
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My wife and I have used PayPal in the past. That's done AFAIC based on what I've read here.
so pornography and drug Paraphernalia is OK, but guns are not? Give me a break!
I had my Paypal account suspended a couple years ago because I accepted payment for a completely legal gun sale through them. I wrote them a nice e-mail explaing that they should stick to thier business, which is basically transferring money between accounts, and not worry about what the money is being transferred for. I got no response. dmayer4741 makes a great point, paypal doesn't seem to care if you want to buy a bunch of porn or a crack pipe, but don't even think about buying or selling a gun.
"Some guys have porn, others have gambling or drugs. I have unattainable shotguns." how true you should make that saying in to a bumper sticker
Chad,
Here's how it plays out. e-Bay is a CA-based company that hates firearms but allows the sale of firearms accessories via its auctioning services. PayPal was started by e-Bay to service the payment needs of the auctioning community, thus inheriting e-Bay's anti-gun stance. The company will ban any user caught using the service to pay for a firearm. Firearm accessories, as far as I know, are still acceptable.
Got to wonder how much of this is mandated by lawyers. Companies are shying away from anything that can get them into lawsuits.
I'm glad I read this. I opened a paypal account some time ago but I never use it. Now I know I won't use it.
MLH I agree. It think some of them are getting bad advice from the legal department. I shall still refrain from using their service when possible.
I already knew about Paypal's anti firearm bias. I have used Paypal before because it was the only service some vendors I purchased from utilized. It's another good idea ruined by a few select morons.
If you're like I was with regard to double guns, i.e., you don't know a chopper lump from an island lock, check out Diggory Hadoke's book on the subject that is specifically aimed at neophytes. It's available on his website or on Amazon, and no, I don't get a cut. That is unfortunate, because it's going to be around for a long time.
yep, backwards gun grabbers are worming there way towards a full gun grab. they try stunts like this then if it works they go bigger.
I have a Paypal account and the reason they gave me for their stance against firearms was that they claimed the Asian guy Choe that killed all the students in Virginia Tech had purchased parts for his weapons on Ebay and payed for them through Paypal. That's why you can't get firearms parts like barrels and receivers on Ebay anymore.
"the reason they gave me for their stance against firearms was that they claimed the Asian guy Choe that killed all the students in Virginia Tech had purchased parts for his weapons on Ebay and payed for them through Paypal."
That's nonsense.
First, PayPal was anti-gun prior to the VA Tech shootings. I bought as pistol off of GunBroker in 2003/4 and I couldn't use PayPal to pay for it then.
Second, the reason stated is a blatant lie as Cho purchased his firearms from a dealer - not through parts purchased on e-bay. Especially since e-Bay does not allow the following items for sale on their network: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/firearms-weapons-knives.html.
PayPal was blowing smoke in the worst way. Note: I am not critiquing the poster, rather PayPal's reasons.
I should add, that the posted policy has been the policy of e-Bay since the early 2000s.
I had no idea but I guess it does make sense because other gun/ammo website don't use paypal... but they probably do not want to deal with the lawsuits and such. When it comes to guns and ammo, I guess they think there is too much of a risk.
I had not heard about this. I will think twice about using payprick again.
Thanks for the heads up! My money is as green as the next guys. If paypal & the rest of the anti gun kooks don't want my business, Good I wont buy anything on ebay again.
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