


July 13, 2009
What Would You Do?
By David DiBenedetto
I have to admit that one of my biggest challenges as an amateur trainer is knowing the proper amount of pressure to apply when it comes to a reprimand. Just this past weekend we were at the beach, where we have an outdoor run behind the house. In most cases, Pritch will go in on a Kennel command. If not, she may mill around as if she hopes I’ll find something else to do and forget that I want her to Kennel. Normally, I’ll simply change the tone of my voice and she’ll follow orders.
Saturday afternoon, however, after a romp on the beach I gave the Kennel command as I held the door open. She took a few steps toward me, looked me in the eye, then did a 180 and hightailed it toward the front yard where my brother’s Goldens were getting hosed down.
For a few seconds I froze: Do I run after her and give her a hand whap while sternly saying “No?” Do I calmly go after her and then grab her by the scruff of the neck and drag her back, letting her know I’m not happy? Or do I take a deep breath and realize she’s six months old, and her faults may be ones I’ve unknowingly instilled in her?
Before I tell you how I handled it, I’m curious what you would do in this situation. (I’m hoping to hear from both the pros and amateurs who often comment here.) Do remember that we had just come from the beach where we had been having a bit of fun and not training. Also, this was Pritch’s first glaring offense when it came to the Kennel command, but it was blatant.
Comments (16)
just don't do what I see my neighbors etc do: start 'barking' orders at the dog and fail to back it up, so that soon the dog understands you are full of baloney
You don't need to rip the dog's head off, but you can't let it go either. The dog was testing you - you have to win, every time, no exceptions.
Physically take the dog back to the place (no commands), as exact as possible, the command was given, as quickly as possible. Repeat the command and "assist" the dog into the kennel, so there's no chance to get out of it.
Now they're starting to learn that they can't just run away when they're not in the mood to obey.
Pritch was definitely testing you, testing the boundary and seeing exactly what she could get away with...dogs do this all the time...Im not a trainer by any means but I think calmly escorting her back to the kennel and convincing her that disobedience is NOT an option is the way to go...
Dave-
Take a deep breath and s-m-i-l-e!
Not only will this prepare you for your next training session,but for any kids that maybe in your future
While she is still young, I think I would have had a reward/favorite treat, in my hand towards the end of the play time.This will transistion her out of her play mode.
She didn't have any expectancy,other than she thought was it was still play time ... can't blame her for that.
There are going to be mistakes and miscues while she is in transistion.
I'm assuming you gave a verbal Kennel command. If it were me,I'd incorporate a hand command with the verbal command.
Why?
Someday she may be some distance from you, out of hearing distance, but will "see" the command and act accordingly.
Don't you begin to develop any bad habits,such as yelling ... or counting,1 ... 2 ... 3... getting louder with each number, hoping she senses your volume for urgency.LOL
I appreciate your humility Dave ... from one amateur,trainer to another!
I understand completely. I have a bluetick/beagle mix named Sam and he can't seem to help himself sometimes and just takes off after cats, squirrels, racoons, you name it. Most of the time he catches himself and comes back humbly knowing he's done wrong but his instincts are inevitably going to take over on occasion. I have no idea how to fix the problem myself because I have been training him not to do it for a year now.
I'm not sure I'd call myself an amateur trainer even, but I would say that go get her and "help" her in. I've noticed that if I do things like that the next time that happens she's more likely to obey. An action like that, probably no real force is necessary, yelling won't help, so just help her along. A treat isn't a bad idea either, not all the time, but often enough that she starts to think it might be possible all the time until she obeys all the time without treats.
yep..........she was testing you. Calmly go get her and help her in after you give the command again. Hind site is always 20/20 but now you know to try and have her lead on her before you give a command like that so she has no way of escape.
A swift hand to the butt for disciplinarian action and a little vocal reprimanding and then after all of that wait a little bit then go over and scratch her ears to show that you still love her is what'd I'd do. If there is something wrong with petting her after disciplining her is wrong please let me know.
Not tooo swift a hand to the butt! Easy to damage the hips.
These are all great answers. For the record, I had taken Pritch's lead off just prior to me commanding her to Kennel. As some of you said, it would have been smart to leave it on. But we've had no problem with this command for some time and I was getting complacent. (Can't let your guard down with a puppy.) 2Poppa is correct that a treat would have easily sealed the deal.
Anyway, when Pritch turned and lit out for the front yard I yelled NO and went after her. She slowed down and I walked her back to the kennel holding the scruff the neck. I then commanded her to Kennel and "helped" her in.
In the scheme of things this is a minor offense, but I didn't want it to become a habit. Pritch kenneled just fine for the rest of the weekend...but I must admit that I was a bit surprised to see her turn tail and leave me in the dust. It sure felt like a test to me.
To be clear, I'm NOT claiming I handled the situation the BEST way possible but that's the decision I made in the second or two I had. And I'm learning that decisions need to be made quickly but most of all judiciously when it comes to training a pup.
nice post. love that this blog is based in reality—not everyday is a good one. but lots are. really enjoying following pritch's journey.
I would of handled it in the same way if not similar... the dog has to learn that disobedience is not an option and that you are the head honcho and it must listen to your commands.
Count to ten fast! My mom still does that with me when annoyed. Then get her (the dog, not your mom) as quick as possible so by the time you got her she has not forgotten what the infraction was. Aggressively grab her by the collar or scruff of the neck, tell her no once, the repeat the kennel command on the way back to the kennel. Toss her in so she knows what you wanted.
Don't forget that five minutes of practicing the command could go a long way. This is similiar to practicing with a horse getting on and off a trailer. Repetition
Dave,
Your response to Pritch's infraction was right and I would have taken it just a little bit further. It was not so much that she was being bad but that the Here command has not been ingrained thoroughly yet. I would have taken a few extra minutes for a mini-lesson after you put her in her crate. Obviously the Goldens in the front yard were much more inviting than her crate. Once you got her back under control and put her in her crate I would have followed up immediately with releasing her back out (on the check cord) and working with treats, command Pritch to come Here. Use a tug on the check cord if needed and reward her with a treat when she comes in. Release her again and walk around to the front and the other dogs. Call her in again, short tugs if needed and treat when she comes in. Continue this 'game' until she comes in without tugging. Head back to the crate, continuing the lesson, and toss a treat inside and command to Kennel. Let her come back out and repeat until she kennels without the advanced reward. Treat her again in the crate and close the door.
I try to keep a snack size ziplock bag of treats in my pocket at all times when working with pups. You never know when you will need a short lesson and it's best to be prepared. Eventually you will become the most important thing in Pritch's life and she will respond beautifully with all the conditioning and numerous repeitions.
Best afield,
Pam
Pam (justducky)-- Your expert opinion is once again much appreciated and reinforces something every amateur should remember...the basics, the basics, the basics. Always go back to them. Always reinforce them. They are the building blocks and foundation of a good gun dog. -D
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You don't need to rip the dog's head off, but you can't let it go either. The dog was testing you - you have to win, every time, no exceptions.
Physically take the dog back to the place (no commands), as exact as possible, the command was given, as quickly as possible. Repeat the command and "assist" the dog into the kennel, so there's no chance to get out of it.
Now they're starting to learn that they can't just run away when they're not in the mood to obey.
I'm not sure I'd call myself an amateur trainer even, but I would say that go get her and "help" her in. I've noticed that if I do things like that the next time that happens she's more likely to obey. An action like that, probably no real force is necessary, yelling won't help, so just help her along. A treat isn't a bad idea either, not all the time, but often enough that she starts to think it might be possible all the time until she obeys all the time without treats.
Dave,
Your response to Pritch's infraction was right and I would have taken it just a little bit further. It was not so much that she was being bad but that the Here command has not been ingrained thoroughly yet. I would have taken a few extra minutes for a mini-lesson after you put her in her crate. Obviously the Goldens in the front yard were much more inviting than her crate. Once you got her back under control and put her in her crate I would have followed up immediately with releasing her back out (on the check cord) and working with treats, command Pritch to come Here. Use a tug on the check cord if needed and reward her with a treat when she comes in. Release her again and walk around to the front and the other dogs. Call her in again, short tugs if needed and treat when she comes in. Continue this 'game' until she comes in without tugging. Head back to the crate, continuing the lesson, and toss a treat inside and command to Kennel. Let her come back out and repeat until she kennels without the advanced reward. Treat her again in the crate and close the door.
I try to keep a snack size ziplock bag of treats in my pocket at all times when working with pups. You never know when you will need a short lesson and it's best to be prepared. Eventually you will become the most important thing in Pritch's life and she will respond beautifully with all the conditioning and numerous repeitions.
Best afield,
Pam
just don't do what I see my neighbors etc do: start 'barking' orders at the dog and fail to back it up, so that soon the dog understands you are full of baloney
Pritch was definitely testing you, testing the boundary and seeing exactly what she could get away with...dogs do this all the time...Im not a trainer by any means but I think calmly escorting her back to the kennel and convincing her that disobedience is NOT an option is the way to go...
Dave-
Take a deep breath and s-m-i-l-e!
Not only will this prepare you for your next training session,but for any kids that maybe in your future
While she is still young, I think I would have had a reward/favorite treat, in my hand towards the end of the play time.This will transistion her out of her play mode.
She didn't have any expectancy,other than she thought was it was still play time ... can't blame her for that.
There are going to be mistakes and miscues while she is in transistion.
I'm assuming you gave a verbal Kennel command. If it were me,I'd incorporate a hand command with the verbal command.
Why?
Someday she may be some distance from you, out of hearing distance, but will "see" the command and act accordingly.
Don't you begin to develop any bad habits,such as yelling ... or counting,1 ... 2 ... 3... getting louder with each number, hoping she senses your volume for urgency.LOL
I appreciate your humility Dave ... from one amateur,trainer to another!
I understand completely. I have a bluetick/beagle mix named Sam and he can't seem to help himself sometimes and just takes off after cats, squirrels, racoons, you name it. Most of the time he catches himself and comes back humbly knowing he's done wrong but his instincts are inevitably going to take over on occasion. I have no idea how to fix the problem myself because I have been training him not to do it for a year now.
yep..........she was testing you. Calmly go get her and help her in after you give the command again. Hind site is always 20/20 but now you know to try and have her lead on her before you give a command like that so she has no way of escape.
These are all great answers. For the record, I had taken Pritch's lead off just prior to me commanding her to Kennel. As some of you said, it would have been smart to leave it on. But we've had no problem with this command for some time and I was getting complacent. (Can't let your guard down with a puppy.) 2Poppa is correct that a treat would have easily sealed the deal.
Anyway, when Pritch turned and lit out for the front yard I yelled NO and went after her. She slowed down and I walked her back to the kennel holding the scruff the neck. I then commanded her to Kennel and "helped" her in.
In the scheme of things this is a minor offense, but I didn't want it to become a habit. Pritch kenneled just fine for the rest of the weekend...but I must admit that I was a bit surprised to see her turn tail and leave me in the dust. It sure felt like a test to me.
To be clear, I'm NOT claiming I handled the situation the BEST way possible but that's the decision I made in the second or two I had. And I'm learning that decisions need to be made quickly but most of all judiciously when it comes to training a pup.
A swift hand to the butt for disciplinarian action and a little vocal reprimanding and then after all of that wait a little bit then go over and scratch her ears to show that you still love her is what'd I'd do. If there is something wrong with petting her after disciplining her is wrong please let me know.
Not tooo swift a hand to the butt! Easy to damage the hips.
nice post. love that this blog is based in reality—not everyday is a good one. but lots are. really enjoying following pritch's journey.
capture your moment in history with the enduring leagacy of art. chad lavin studio. www.lavinstudio.com
I would of handled it in the same way if not similar... the dog has to learn that disobedience is not an option and that you are the head honcho and it must listen to your commands.
Count to ten fast! My mom still does that with me when annoyed. Then get her (the dog, not your mom) as quick as possible so by the time you got her she has not forgotten what the infraction was. Aggressively grab her by the collar or scruff of the neck, tell her no once, the repeat the kennel command on the way back to the kennel. Toss her in so she knows what you wanted.
Don't forget that five minutes of practicing the command could go a long way. This is similiar to practicing with a horse getting on and off a trailer. Repetition
Pam (justducky)-- Your expert opinion is once again much appreciated and reinforces something every amateur should remember...the basics, the basics, the basics. Always go back to them. Always reinforce them. They are the building blocks and foundation of a good gun dog. -D
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