


September 10, 2009
Chad Love: Toy Guns Don’t Make Kids Killers
By Chad Love
It's always refreshing to see a person reject "liberal" versus "conservative" politics in favor of non-partisan rationality, and a good example of this can be found in this essay on the "liberal"-leaning news site Salon.
From the story:
I was a violent kid. More than anything, I loved to play war. In my basement, I built a sandbag foxhole out of stacked-up sofa pillows. I would hide inside and peer out at what I imagined were the smoking slopes of Iwo Jima, crawling with Japanese soldiers ready to fight to the death.
My parents were liberal. More than liberal: Unitarians. We had a National Organization for Women poster hanging in our kitchen. A family friend stayed with us at the house while going through a sex change. My dad was, and probably still is, an advocate of the most draconian gun control proposals ever drafted, or even pondered. I'm sure both my parents voted for Carter, probably Dukakis, too. I remember a lot of family skinny dipping. Hell, my parents wouldn't even let me play on a football team.
Our family stood in sharp contrast to the countless Americans who grow up not only with toy guns, but also with real guns, as a routine part of life. Guns were anathema to my parents. Period. Guns were bad. That included toy guns.
Fast-forward 30 years, and now I am the proud parent of two children. Lovely wife. Cute brick row house. A waggly tailed, big old yellow dog. I either did something right or got really lucky, or both. Like many young parents, I've learned that despite all my whining about my Unitarian parents, I'll be lucky to be half as patient, evenhanded, thoughtful and engaged with my kids as my folks were with me, even during my lengthy jackass stage.
That does not mean, however, that I have to do everything exactly the way they did. Now, I have a son. He is just turning 4. And I have decided to arm him to the teeth.
As the father of a well-adjusted and completely normal child who also happens to think R. Lee Ermey's "Lock N Load" is the coolest show on television and who recently informed his parents that he wants to be a "gun expert" when he grows up, I commend the "liberal" author's rejection of the ridiculous notion that toy guns somehow turn kids into killers. It shows that maybe, just maybe, common sense is more powerful than political ideology.
Comments (34)
Great story! Nice to see at least a little common sense exists on the other side of the fence.
I never thought gun control should be a "liberal" vs. "conservative" issue. There are plenty of otherwise "liberal" leaning people out there who own guns. It seems like many of them are silent. I think that Democrats who own guns should speak up--warn your elected officials that you will desert them if they push gun control. The Democratic party leaders need to know that this is a deal breaker. They want to stay in power--they need to get the message that the swing voters will vote them out if they take on our gun rights.
My parents did not like toy guns, but that never stopped me from playing"war" with my friends, it was our favorite game and we preferred sticks to to guns anyway, your imagination could make the stick what ever weapon would be correct for the time period we were "fighting" in. So when on a camping trip a fellow camper asked if I would like to shoot with him and his buddies, I did. 30years and a mix of a few dozen rifles, shotguns and sidearms and here I am. I guess my point is that you are who you choose to make yourself.
Great article! It's a shame this country is so divided when all it would take is a bit of compromise and common sense to solve most of the issues that we all face.
Kids (boys in particular) have a natural curiosity about guns. It's much better to satisfy that curiosity by letting them play with toy guns and, when mature enough, provide them with training in the safe handling and proper shooting fundamentals of firearms.
Staightshooter...you share my philosphy...my kids 3 and 4 already know the difference between real and toy guns, and upon encountering a gun that they are unsure of they immediately come and ask an adult about it...I know because I test them on this...they both have toy guns, that I make them treat as if they are real, while in the field with me, to begin their safety training, and my 4 year old just graduated to a Red Ryder...which he is disappointed in, because I wont let him shoot bears with it...I have also already taken them out shooting 22lr's under a strict controlled environment where they have learned proper safety...by taking the mystery out of the gun equation I can leave a real gun in a corner and they will not touch it (I test this as well by leaving a gun missing the firing pin in the corner to see if it gets messed with).....I believe kids raised and exposed to firearms are less likely to be hurt by, or hurt someone else with, a gun than kids that are overly sheltered from them......Pirate Guns and Swords are the in thing around my home, every piece of furniture a battle strewn ship, and the worst casualties have been myself taking a couple cheap shots from a 3 year olds cutlass.....
I remember seeing a home video from one of the Columbine killers taken in their home. At one point they pass by a locked gun case and make some comment along the lines of how the guns are “off limits”. The reference made the impression (at least in me) that their parents (probably the father) had guns but made them Taboo to the kids instead of raising their kids to respect the guns and handle them properly. Failure to recognize that little boys these days are much more men than modern metro-sexuals and the tofu and crackers males, and accommodate even their “violent” tendencies in a constructive way, seems to too often either result in emasculated males or whack job killer types.
I grew up in a household so liberal my parents were genuinely disappointed when they found out they hadn't made the Nixon White House "Enemies" list. But, we had guns in the house and ate lots of ducks and pheasants, too. I grew up to be a gun writer and my sister grew up to be an anti-gun vegetarian yoga teacher. Go figure.
Tell your son from me there's no money in being a "gun expert."
Ha! I'll tell him. The poor kid's not going to know what to do with his life. He's already told me he doesn't want to be a "writer" when he grows up because thanks to daddy he already knows there's no money in that, either...
I grew up playing "war" from as early as I can remember. My parents both gave me lots of toy guns as birthday and Christmas presents - my Mom even gave me the Roy Rogers (I think?) six-shooter she had saved from when she was a child and played, which tells you how cool my Mom is (the fact that I lost and/or broke it also tells you what kind of idiot I am).
But one hard and fast rule that was there from day number one, I could NEVER, EVER point one of my toy guns at a real person. If I did, they were taken away for a long time (probably only a week, but at 5 or 6 years old, that's an eternity). I learned that lesson very well - that guns come with a very high responsibility - and I am convinced it's part of the reason that I can easily call myself a responsible gun-owner today.
When my son's interest in shooting grew, my wife and I signed him up for a gun safety course through the local 4-H. He learned gun safety and shooting fundamentals and his interest grew even more. He discovered that he was a good shot and has been a competitive shooter ever since. My daughter saw all of the female competitors and decided to give it a "shot" herself. Since both the kids were shooting, I became a certified instructor. It has been one of the most satisfying volunteer activities that I have been involved in.
Even though I could have taught my kids the basics of shooting and gun safety, they were much better served by going through an organized program. I would encourage other parents (whether or not they are gun owners) to have their kids go through a firearms program designed for youth. The NRA, 4-H, Boy Scouts and others provide quality firearms training programs.
By they way, these worthy organizations are always in need of volunteers. I have worked with several different youth organizations and found that, as a group, the young people who are involved in shooting sports are the most disciplined, respectful, coachable kids I have ever been around.
My kids have been around guns since they were 4-5 years old and both today are among the safest hunters I know and are most definately not "killers" unless a deer is concerned. To badly paraphrase Larry the Cable Guy, blaming guns for crime is like blaming your pencil for misspelled words or Rosie O'Donnell blaming her spoon for her big you-know-what.
good, the guy turned out normal. i think i would too if didnt have a gun loven republican dad, republican mom, brother, and sister who i would vote for presedent
It so touching, I think I might cry.
guns were a part of my childhood too. from an early age I was taught safe handling and responsibility when it comes to firearms.
Seadog, I give you a +1, I'm a Democrat, mostly because of my job, yet I own dozens of guns, and believe everyone else should too. My 12 year old daughter has her own shotgun and deer rifle, my 7 year old boy has his own Red Ryder, as well as an entire armoury of toy guns. Both are good kids, both know not to 'play' with real guns, and both are good shots. My families livelyhood depends upon my Union job, and the Union that I belong to, so I vote my pocketbook. One thing in the last campaign that gave me some peace of mind was Joe Biden's campaign speech which he said, and I quote, "I'll be damned if the government is gonna' take my Berrettas!". That's your Vice President, speaking about his semi-auto shotguns.
Sea dog your right ,. if your not you should be,.
but I know damn well you are and from the sound of it so do you.
To me this is one very interesting topic, Yet has always been a source of confusion to me especially within this blog
As a kid in my neck of the woods ( close to a major city ) it was almost exclusivly Democrats ( in no particular order, guys in the trades laborers,.truckers , skilled workers and craftsmen cops, firemen etc) who were the gun owners and hunters.
The ones ( aside from unifirms) who wore flannel shirts,.blue genes and boots ( not cowboy boots ) work boots.
Which if you think about it are boots similar to what you wear in war.
Never saw a modern day soldier wearing cowboy boots to a fire fight Then again never heard of Doc Holiday Wyatte Erp etc, using an M16.
Anyway these work boot wearing guys (Democrats) who had a seat with there name on it at the local labor temple
( not really but you take my meaning )
were mostly WWII vets.
Who did not take kindly to someone telling them, that due to their political persuasion directly realted to occupation that they were one thing or the other.
Having had occasion to witness that point made eminently clear more than one time . YUK YUK to what i have always called the putter twirlers.
It was the Republican contingent,.( in my neck of the woods) who,.. while twirling their putters like a bunch of Drum majoretts ( figuratively speaking of course) After Thurday afternoons at the country club and three hours in the bar trying to get lucky with the waitress with the giant headlights.
The ones who came careening home in their land yahts cussing their wives and kids that essenially and consistently.
Looked down upon the others (Demoractes) as gun owners and hunters.Hunting and or camping being an activity for the coarse and unwashed Democrates.
Which is why Im a Democrat ,. albeit a concervative Dem ,. A Dem none the less.
One of my best friends is a died in the wool concervastive and a syiu may immagine we have had sonme dooseys
This dude has never held or shot a gun in his life,.. and is pushing 60 REAL hard. NEVER HELD OR SHOT A GUN.!!
Our commonality is that both of us like to eat drink and cook. I quit golfing so I didn't kill someone or myslef and he dosent hunt ,.. but the ocasional Sunday with a couple grills stoked up ,. a ball gane on and a few beers keeps us in touch
I would not want him after me with his "driver" at close range , but no danger of him shooting me casue he does not know basic firearm operation.
So its good to hear some one like Sea Dog who appears in print at least,. to be concervative.
Bring some levity to the "we v/s them venue .
As I have said,. and will again
It is my one of fondset wishes that i fwe could we could.
Get up all the fanatics,.. the one so far one way or the other ( right or left) that in any practical sense they don't know where in the " H " they are anyway.
To go to war with one another . And I mean on a real honest to God conventional field of battle.
With small arms,. granades tanks and cannon.
Give em all the bulletts their little hearts desire
Especially the ones (who some how do most of the pontificating here in ) who have not seen combat.
We would soon be rid of most of em.
Because in a real life (not virtual pontificaton life ) situation, they would be pi$$ing them selves and shooting their own in the first five minutes of the first fire fight.
Such is my opinion of that bunch
Two weeks later after we had honorably laid to rest these puffed up pontificating perveyors of accusation retribution and recrimination.( From both sides )
The the rest of us could get something done.
That didnt cost the country twice as much as it should becaus we would be rid of the career blood sucking ( or should I say money sucking ) "crats" of what ever ilk.
Shoot straight and shoot often
Yall have a good weeked
Ps I got guns ( remeber I a Dem)
,. not lots of em ( less trhan before ) but eough
If the it comes to it I can stop an elpant or ring the bell way out yonder ,. and if for some reaosn m the house geys stormed the sheet of lead shot coming rom all the windows would give pause to most tactical stratigests YUK YUK
And I am a Democrat
crm 30-04 1/2 "
acorn "D" that you must be,.. get a life .YUK YUK
Shoud say I am not refering to Mr Love or anyone in particular ,.. as to the people I would like to see go to war,.. (crat fanatics of what ever ilk )
and when I say within this blog I mean more generally the composit of blogs. This one in particular is more sane than what mental waste that slides down ther drain in others here in .(here in referring to Field and Stream blogs in general)
There that aughta stir the pot!
Great story! I agree that guns do not make anyone bad. People go 'bad' all on their own. Children get influences no matter what they are or aren't allowed to be around. I knew kids growing up who never saw a gun till they went to my grnadparents house. Their parents were against them but they still got influenced by us at my grandpa's gun safe. Those people are the kindest people and their kids didn't turn out to bad themselves. Like the saying goes, 'Guns don't kill people. People kill people.' I think in a way it goes for this as well. Guns are just tools that unfortunately can get put in the hands of already bad people.
Good story. I'd wager that even if the gun had never been invented and the most dangerous thing was a stick, people would be banning sticks and saying 'I shouldn't have let little Johnny play with sticks. Look how he turned into a serial stick attacker......'
My generation grew up with all kinds of toys and cartoons that were 'violent'. I don't think I turned out bad. Then again I don't think everyone gets the same amount of common sense or 'walking around smarts' as my Granddaddy used to call it.
Great story. I have always been around guns and I would not have my kids grow up any other way.
Wonderful story. Kids will respect guns if they are taught to. Kids don't just naturally have the urge to go and shoot-up a school...
I grew up in Northwestern Oklahoma, and it is very popular to hunt rabbit, turkey, whitetail, quail, etc. It is also historicaly republican, pro-gun, and has several variants of the "Stand Yor Ground" and "Make My Day" Laws. However my parents were/are very anti-gun and anti-2nd-Admendment. I never quite understood why, especially because my dad grew up hunting with his dad. I think that helped prompt me to join the Marines after high school, where I learned how to be responsible for my actions and for my rifle. I learned hw to shoot well enough to be a sniper in the Iraq War and why the The Constitution is so importantTo us, and why we must fight to keep them. We don't and we may as well hand over all everything we hold dear!
Jasonmarinevet
Fist congratulations ,. you survived ,. that is step one.
As a combat vet I would always listen to you ,may not always agree but certainlty listen.And defend your right to your opinion.
Having read your post you appear to be one that thinks ,. rather than some ranting drooling concervative
"jehodest" (like crm 30-04 1/2 " acorn "D" that he must be)agianst anthing that dosent have an R or GOP in front of it .
So Im curious,. would it matter to you if what you fought for. Which in my own expeinace after a time becomes simply your own life and those of your brothers in arm.
If your rights ( and privilages ) as you percieve them with regard to the entire constitution, not just one or two amendments.
Were preserved by a combination of centerist thinking people on both sides . Or does it have to be one party or the other.
This is not a trick question,.. it is a question spawned by reading ( I think ) between the lines here.
Said reading between the lines,. thusly leading me to believe just recently that certain values held .
Which are so close to being identical, it is just plain scary.
Believed in one section of the country to be purly and by Gods will only,.. Republican.
Yet the same values being stamped Democrat in other sections of the country .
If thats true we all ought be scared to death ,.
As the political brain washing such that we fight among outselev is not only working . But based on the age group represented here in,.. has been in place since just after WWII,.or hell,.. who knows,. maybe before.
It is true ( meaning documented ) that in the two previous administrations the greatest (largest) wealth transfer (from your pocket and mine meaning the masses to to the few) in recorded history did occur .and that as of the middle of the last Bush administyration 20% of the wealth in the U. S. was conrolled by 2-3 % of the population.
Having faced the the bad guys at 30 feet ( do not know how i didnt buy it that time) I don't scare easily ,.
But the thought we have by design been pitted agaisnt one another .
With from what I can only surmise as having one purpose That being to divide and weaken the citizenry as a whole
simply scares me spitless,..
Your thoughts would be welcome
All the best
Yohan
Ahh yes, that strange and wonderful (surprisingly common) anomaly - the Gun Loving Liberal.
I think that TV and Parents have more influence on kids than the toys we buy them. If you teach them right hopefully they turn out to be honest self disciplined gun owners/users.
I bought a bb gun to teach my youngin to shoot and for me to practice within a subburban setting without gettin the neighbors panties in a bunch. A lady in front of me asked if the bb gun was for my son and I said of course it is. She said don't you think he's a little young.. My reply as long as he is directly supervised by me a responsible parent and only has access when I get it out of my gun cabinet then NO he's not too young. She huffed and walked away. To this day my son has muzzle awarenesss, the gun is on safe and he has not gone into my locked gun cabinet to get it out.
Unlike childhood I play Soldier everyday. I've been deployed and back. I've hunted and shot as much as as I can on my schedule. I plan to take my child to and he has shot a bow as well. Damn the liberals and their views.
We need to continue to pass our traditions and values to the next generation.
Common sense it is.
I think that we often and unfortunately are too quick to place labels on each other. Whether its "Liberal" or "conservative", "Republican" or "Democrat", it is simply a moniker and doesn't really reflect what our core values really are. I for example am a registered Democrat because many moons ago as a young man in northeastern NC there were very few if any Republicans, and if one desired to vote in local or state elections, one had to be a Democrat (a registered Independent could not vote in the Democratis runoffs).
I have voted Democrat and I have voted Republican, but mostly I vote for the one who closest matches my values.
I have stayed a Democrat because it gives me audience with other Democrats to discuss important issues such as gun control from an alternative perspective. I am just speaking for me, but I have been amazed at the some of my acquaintances who would be classed as typical liberals who have supported hunting programs and are very much in support of the Second Amendment. Now I can'y vouch for their voting recoed on other issues however the ones that I deem important finds us on the same page. I must admit that I was shocked and surprised (pleasantly of course) when I was invited to attend a week long workshop sponsored by a national and prominent conservation organization. I expected a bunch of intellectual anti-hunters. What I found was that most of them (they came from all over the US for this workshop)were hunters and my roommate had been turkey hunting prior to the workshop and took a 20 lb. tom with a 10 inch beard. We all had a couple of evenings swapping hunting stories and I had to eat a good size portion of roast crow for pre-judging these people. I got a second helping another evening when I was invited out west to shoot feral hogs and was told they would even put me up while I was there. I have found that as I have aged, I tend to eat more crow than I eat chicken.
Oh well, that's just an old guy's two cents.
Well said John R ,..
With all the places Ive been ,.. and all the people Ive run into ,..and all the near misses I've had ,.. from bullets fired by 90 lb dinks 30 ft away ,to car wrecks,.. and econmic upheaveal,. not to mention huge Irishmen trying to to kick my A$$ on St Pats day YUK YUK
When I hear some of what I hear especially realtive to politics, guns or redheaded women
I cant help thinking
These are the people ( so far to the right or left ) who apparently do not possess the F g brains to think past "what they daddy told em"
Also the ones who 99% of the time are either totally black or totally white on a subject.
Which means they just don't have the mental ammunition or experince ( time in the saddle) in real life,.. to fathom whats cooming out of their mouth.
And while I am sworn to defend their right to say it ,.
sooner or later they come to find out,..there just aint very much black or white ,. but by then maybe its too late ,..
Its mostly shades of both balck ansd white ,. with one hell of a lot of grey.
Christ on a crutch , it just seems never to sink in.
I had so many toy guns in my house as a kid. The thought of that making me more likely of a killer is rediculous. This is worse than the notion that video games make kids killers. Jeez o Pete.
My dad grew up an Idaho boy, hunting rock chucks. He hunted moose, elk, antelope....had a whole gun cabinet full of rifles. Was an Eagle Scout, and a physician. Just shot himself in the head 9 weeks ago.
I have a 5-year old son, and a liberal husband who hates guns....don't know what to do with my boy.
I hav been around guns all my life my parents gave me toy guns as long as i can remember beck probably when i was old enough to pick it up I had toy guns up through the first few years of elementary school. My parents told me that when i started k-garden i could get a bb gun for christmas i got one i was told propper gun safety and handling from the time i got my first toy gun. When i was growing up i never touched a gun toy bb or real gun unless my parents told me it was ok. If i saw a gun out somewhere i would immediatly tell an adult. i was able to start hunting about the age of 7(with parent subervision) and hav ever since my family has always been gun owners/users and responsible ones. if anything being around guns when little and being tought the rights and wrongs of guns has probably made me even less likely to be a killer(not that i would of been). when you hear of shootings and murders with guns it is always someone that was never allowed to even look at a gun let alone learn about it, or someone that was already a criminal and then was able to get their hands on a gun. If they want to outlaw guns because they are dangerous and cause killing then they would also have to outlaw cars, knives, bows, arrows, hammers, most tools, chairs, pillows, water, etc, etc, etc, all of these have been used to kill people but their is no way in H#*L that they could be eleminated as they are part of our everyday life, it is the same with guns, and if they do outlaw guns then all you are doing is making it easier for criminals to kill people, because most criminals own their guns illegally and taking it from non criminals would spike crime because they would no noone could defend themselves. But like i hav said before... I want to see someone tell me i cant own my gun anymore i hav to turn it in to them.. i want to see them take it from me cause it'll be a could day in H#*L before i am without my guns.!!!
What a great story that was... some relief and hope that maybe there is still some hope out there.
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I never thought gun control should be a "liberal" vs. "conservative" issue. There are plenty of otherwise "liberal" leaning people out there who own guns. It seems like many of them are silent. I think that Democrats who own guns should speak up--warn your elected officials that you will desert them if they push gun control. The Democratic party leaders need to know that this is a deal breaker. They want to stay in power--they need to get the message that the swing voters will vote them out if they take on our gun rights.
I grew up in a household so liberal my parents were genuinely disappointed when they found out they hadn't made the Nixon White House "Enemies" list. But, we had guns in the house and ate lots of ducks and pheasants, too. I grew up to be a gun writer and my sister grew up to be an anti-gun vegetarian yoga teacher. Go figure.
Tell your son from me there's no money in being a "gun expert."
Kids (boys in particular) have a natural curiosity about guns. It's much better to satisfy that curiosity by letting them play with toy guns and, when mature enough, provide them with training in the safe handling and proper shooting fundamentals of firearms.
Staightshooter...you share my philosphy...my kids 3 and 4 already know the difference between real and toy guns, and upon encountering a gun that they are unsure of they immediately come and ask an adult about it...I know because I test them on this...they both have toy guns, that I make them treat as if they are real, while in the field with me, to begin their safety training, and my 4 year old just graduated to a Red Ryder...which he is disappointed in, because I wont let him shoot bears with it...I have also already taken them out shooting 22lr's under a strict controlled environment where they have learned proper safety...by taking the mystery out of the gun equation I can leave a real gun in a corner and they will not touch it (I test this as well by leaving a gun missing the firing pin in the corner to see if it gets messed with).....I believe kids raised and exposed to firearms are less likely to be hurt by, or hurt someone else with, a gun than kids that are overly sheltered from them......Pirate Guns and Swords are the in thing around my home, every piece of furniture a battle strewn ship, and the worst casualties have been myself taking a couple cheap shots from a 3 year olds cutlass.....
When my son's interest in shooting grew, my wife and I signed him up for a gun safety course through the local 4-H. He learned gun safety and shooting fundamentals and his interest grew even more. He discovered that he was a good shot and has been a competitive shooter ever since. My daughter saw all of the female competitors and decided to give it a "shot" herself. Since both the kids were shooting, I became a certified instructor. It has been one of the most satisfying volunteer activities that I have been involved in.
Even though I could have taught my kids the basics of shooting and gun safety, they were much better served by going through an organized program. I would encourage other parents (whether or not they are gun owners) to have their kids go through a firearms program designed for youth. The NRA, 4-H, Boy Scouts and others provide quality firearms training programs.
By they way, these worthy organizations are always in need of volunteers. I have worked with several different youth organizations and found that, as a group, the young people who are involved in shooting sports are the most disciplined, respectful, coachable kids I have ever been around.
Seadog, I give you a +1, I'm a Democrat, mostly because of my job, yet I own dozens of guns, and believe everyone else should too. My 12 year old daughter has her own shotgun and deer rifle, my 7 year old boy has his own Red Ryder, as well as an entire armoury of toy guns. Both are good kids, both know not to 'play' with real guns, and both are good shots. My families livelyhood depends upon my Union job, and the Union that I belong to, so I vote my pocketbook. One thing in the last campaign that gave me some peace of mind was Joe Biden's campaign speech which he said, and I quote, "I'll be damned if the government is gonna' take my Berrettas!". That's your Vice President, speaking about his semi-auto shotguns.
Ahh yes, that strange and wonderful (surprisingly common) anomaly - the Gun Loving Liberal.
My parents did not like toy guns, but that never stopped me from playing"war" with my friends, it was our favorite game and we preferred sticks to to guns anyway, your imagination could make the stick what ever weapon would be correct for the time period we were "fighting" in. So when on a camping trip a fellow camper asked if I would like to shoot with him and his buddies, I did. 30years and a mix of a few dozen rifles, shotguns and sidearms and here I am. I guess my point is that you are who you choose to make yourself.
My kids have been around guns since they were 4-5 years old and both today are among the safest hunters I know and are most definately not "killers" unless a deer is concerned. To badly paraphrase Larry the Cable Guy, blaming guns for crime is like blaming your pencil for misspelled words or Rosie O'Donnell blaming her spoon for her big you-know-what.
Great article! It's a shame this country is so divided when all it would take is a bit of compromise and common sense to solve most of the issues that we all face.
I remember seeing a home video from one of the Columbine killers taken in their home. At one point they pass by a locked gun case and make some comment along the lines of how the guns are “off limits”. The reference made the impression (at least in me) that their parents (probably the father) had guns but made them Taboo to the kids instead of raising their kids to respect the guns and handle them properly. Failure to recognize that little boys these days are much more men than modern metro-sexuals and the tofu and crackers males, and accommodate even their “violent” tendencies in a constructive way, seems to too often either result in emasculated males or whack job killer types.
Ha! I'll tell him. The poor kid's not going to know what to do with his life. He's already told me he doesn't want to be a "writer" when he grows up because thanks to daddy he already knows there's no money in that, either...
I grew up playing "war" from as early as I can remember. My parents both gave me lots of toy guns as birthday and Christmas presents - my Mom even gave me the Roy Rogers (I think?) six-shooter she had saved from when she was a child and played, which tells you how cool my Mom is (the fact that I lost and/or broke it also tells you what kind of idiot I am).
But one hard and fast rule that was there from day number one, I could NEVER, EVER point one of my toy guns at a real person. If I did, they were taken away for a long time (probably only a week, but at 5 or 6 years old, that's an eternity). I learned that lesson very well - that guns come with a very high responsibility - and I am convinced it's part of the reason that I can easily call myself a responsible gun-owner today.
Good story. I'd wager that even if the gun had never been invented and the most dangerous thing was a stick, people would be banning sticks and saying 'I shouldn't have let little Johnny play with sticks. Look how he turned into a serial stick attacker......'
My generation grew up with all kinds of toys and cartoons that were 'violent'. I don't think I turned out bad. Then again I don't think everyone gets the same amount of common sense or 'walking around smarts' as my Granddaddy used to call it.
Wonderful story. Kids will respect guns if they are taught to. Kids don't just naturally have the urge to go and shoot-up a school...
Great story! Nice to see at least a little common sense exists on the other side of the fence.
good, the guy turned out normal. i think i would too if didnt have a gun loven republican dad, republican mom, brother, and sister who i would vote for presedent
guns were a part of my childhood too. from an early age I was taught safe handling and responsibility when it comes to firearms.
Great story! I agree that guns do not make anyone bad. People go 'bad' all on their own. Children get influences no matter what they are or aren't allowed to be around. I knew kids growing up who never saw a gun till they went to my grnadparents house. Their parents were against them but they still got influenced by us at my grandpa's gun safe. Those people are the kindest people and their kids didn't turn out to bad themselves. Like the saying goes, 'Guns don't kill people. People kill people.' I think in a way it goes for this as well. Guns are just tools that unfortunately can get put in the hands of already bad people.
I grew up in Northwestern Oklahoma, and it is very popular to hunt rabbit, turkey, whitetail, quail, etc. It is also historicaly republican, pro-gun, and has several variants of the "Stand Yor Ground" and "Make My Day" Laws. However my parents were/are very anti-gun and anti-2nd-Admendment. I never quite understood why, especially because my dad grew up hunting with his dad. I think that helped prompt me to join the Marines after high school, where I learned how to be responsible for my actions and for my rifle. I learned hw to shoot well enough to be a sniper in the Iraq War and why the The Constitution is so importantTo us, and why we must fight to keep them. We don't and we may as well hand over all everything we hold dear!
I think that we often and unfortunately are too quick to place labels on each other. Whether its "Liberal" or "conservative", "Republican" or "Democrat", it is simply a moniker and doesn't really reflect what our core values really are. I for example am a registered Democrat because many moons ago as a young man in northeastern NC there were very few if any Republicans, and if one desired to vote in local or state elections, one had to be a Democrat (a registered Independent could not vote in the Democratis runoffs).
I have voted Democrat and I have voted Republican, but mostly I vote for the one who closest matches my values.
I have stayed a Democrat because it gives me audience with other Democrats to discuss important issues such as gun control from an alternative perspective. I am just speaking for me, but I have been amazed at the some of my acquaintances who would be classed as typical liberals who have supported hunting programs and are very much in support of the Second Amendment. Now I can'y vouch for their voting recoed on other issues however the ones that I deem important finds us on the same page. I must admit that I was shocked and surprised (pleasantly of course) when I was invited to attend a week long workshop sponsored by a national and prominent conservation organization. I expected a bunch of intellectual anti-hunters. What I found was that most of them (they came from all over the US for this workshop)were hunters and my roommate had been turkey hunting prior to the workshop and took a 20 lb. tom with a 10 inch beard. We all had a couple of evenings swapping hunting stories and I had to eat a good size portion of roast crow for pre-judging these people. I got a second helping another evening when I was invited out west to shoot feral hogs and was told they would even put me up while I was there. I have found that as I have aged, I tend to eat more crow than I eat chicken.
Oh well, that's just an old guy's two cents.
Sea dog your right ,. if your not you should be,.
but I know damn well you are and from the sound of it so do you.
To me this is one very interesting topic, Yet has always been a source of confusion to me especially within this blog
As a kid in my neck of the woods ( close to a major city ) it was almost exclusivly Democrats ( in no particular order, guys in the trades laborers,.truckers , skilled workers and craftsmen cops, firemen etc) who were the gun owners and hunters.
The ones ( aside from unifirms) who wore flannel shirts,.blue genes and boots ( not cowboy boots ) work boots.
Which if you think about it are boots similar to what you wear in war.
Never saw a modern day soldier wearing cowboy boots to a fire fight Then again never heard of Doc Holiday Wyatte Erp etc, using an M16.
Anyway these work boot wearing guys (Democrats) who had a seat with there name on it at the local labor temple
( not really but you take my meaning )
were mostly WWII vets.
Who did not take kindly to someone telling them, that due to their political persuasion directly realted to occupation that they were one thing or the other.
Having had occasion to witness that point made eminently clear more than one time . YUK YUK to what i have always called the putter twirlers.
It was the Republican contingent,.( in my neck of the woods) who,.. while twirling their putters like a bunch of Drum majoretts ( figuratively speaking of course) After Thurday afternoons at the country club and three hours in the bar trying to get lucky with the waitress with the giant headlights.
The ones who came careening home in their land yahts cussing their wives and kids that essenially and consistently.
Looked down upon the others (Demoractes) as gun owners and hunters.Hunting and or camping being an activity for the coarse and unwashed Democrates.
Which is why Im a Democrat ,. albeit a concervative Dem ,. A Dem none the less.
One of my best friends is a died in the wool concervastive and a syiu may immagine we have had sonme dooseys
This dude has never held or shot a gun in his life,.. and is pushing 60 REAL hard. NEVER HELD OR SHOT A GUN.!!
Our commonality is that both of us like to eat drink and cook. I quit golfing so I didn't kill someone or myslef and he dosent hunt ,.. but the ocasional Sunday with a couple grills stoked up ,. a ball gane on and a few beers keeps us in touch
I would not want him after me with his "driver" at close range , but no danger of him shooting me casue he does not know basic firearm operation.
So its good to hear some one like Sea Dog who appears in print at least,. to be concervative.
Bring some levity to the "we v/s them venue .
As I have said,. and will again
It is my one of fondset wishes that i fwe could we could.
Get up all the fanatics,.. the one so far one way or the other ( right or left) that in any practical sense they don't know where in the " H " they are anyway.
To go to war with one another . And I mean on a real honest to God conventional field of battle.
With small arms,. granades tanks and cannon.
Give em all the bulletts their little hearts desire
Especially the ones (who some how do most of the pontificating here in ) who have not seen combat.
We would soon be rid of most of em.
Because in a real life (not virtual pontificaton life ) situation, they would be pi$$ing them selves and shooting their own in the first five minutes of the first fire fight.
Such is my opinion of that bunch
Two weeks later after we had honorably laid to rest these puffed up pontificating perveyors of accusation retribution and recrimination.( From both sides )
The the rest of us could get something done.
That didnt cost the country twice as much as it should becaus we would be rid of the career blood sucking ( or should I say money sucking ) "crats" of what ever ilk.
Shoot straight and shoot often
Yall have a good weeked
Ps I got guns ( remeber I a Dem)
,. not lots of em ( less trhan before ) but eough
If the it comes to it I can stop an elpant or ring the bell way out yonder ,. and if for some reaosn m the house geys stormed the sheet of lead shot coming rom all the windows would give pause to most tactical stratigests YUK YUK
And I am a Democrat
crm 30-04 1/2 "
acorn "D" that you must be,.. get a life .YUK YUK
Great story. I have always been around guns and I would not have my kids grow up any other way.
I think that TV and Parents have more influence on kids than the toys we buy them. If you teach them right hopefully they turn out to be honest self disciplined gun owners/users.
I bought a bb gun to teach my youngin to shoot and for me to practice within a subburban setting without gettin the neighbors panties in a bunch. A lady in front of me asked if the bb gun was for my son and I said of course it is. She said don't you think he's a little young.. My reply as long as he is directly supervised by me a responsible parent and only has access when I get it out of my gun cabinet then NO he's not too young. She huffed and walked away. To this day my son has muzzle awarenesss, the gun is on safe and he has not gone into my locked gun cabinet to get it out.
Unlike childhood I play Soldier everyday. I've been deployed and back. I've hunted and shot as much as as I can on my schedule. I plan to take my child to and he has shot a bow as well. Damn the liberals and their views.
We need to continue to pass our traditions and values to the next generation.
Common sense it is.
Well said John R ,..
With all the places Ive been ,.. and all the people Ive run into ,..and all the near misses I've had ,.. from bullets fired by 90 lb dinks 30 ft away ,to car wrecks,.. and econmic upheaveal,. not to mention huge Irishmen trying to to kick my A$$ on St Pats day YUK YUK
When I hear some of what I hear especially realtive to politics, guns or redheaded women
I cant help thinking
These are the people ( so far to the right or left ) who apparently do not possess the F g brains to think past "what they daddy told em"
Also the ones who 99% of the time are either totally black or totally white on a subject.
Which means they just don't have the mental ammunition or experince ( time in the saddle) in real life,.. to fathom whats cooming out of their mouth.
And while I am sworn to defend their right to say it ,.
sooner or later they come to find out,..there just aint very much black or white ,. but by then maybe its too late ,..
Its mostly shades of both balck ansd white ,. with one hell of a lot of grey.
Christ on a crutch , it just seems never to sink in.
I had so many toy guns in my house as a kid. The thought of that making me more likely of a killer is rediculous. This is worse than the notion that video games make kids killers. Jeez o Pete.
It so touching, I think I might cry.
Jasonmarinevet
Fist congratulations ,. you survived ,. that is step one.
As a combat vet I would always listen to you ,may not always agree but certainlty listen.And defend your right to your opinion.
Having read your post you appear to be one that thinks ,. rather than some ranting drooling concervative
"jehodest" (like crm 30-04 1/2 " acorn "D" that he must be)agianst anthing that dosent have an R or GOP in front of it .
So Im curious,. would it matter to you if what you fought for. Which in my own expeinace after a time becomes simply your own life and those of your brothers in arm.
If your rights ( and privilages ) as you percieve them with regard to the entire constitution, not just one or two amendments.
Were preserved by a combination of centerist thinking people on both sides . Or does it have to be one party or the other.
This is not a trick question,.. it is a question spawned by reading ( I think ) between the lines here.
Said reading between the lines,. thusly leading me to believe just recently that certain values held .
Which are so close to being identical, it is just plain scary.
Believed in one section of the country to be purly and by Gods will only,.. Republican.
Yet the same values being stamped Democrat in other sections of the country .
If thats true we all ought be scared to death ,.
As the political brain washing such that we fight among outselev is not only working . But based on the age group represented here in,.. has been in place since just after WWII,.or hell,.. who knows,. maybe before.
It is true ( meaning documented ) that in the two previous administrations the greatest (largest) wealth transfer (from your pocket and mine meaning the masses to to the few) in recorded history did occur .and that as of the middle of the last Bush administyration 20% of the wealth in the U. S. was conrolled by 2-3 % of the population.
Having faced the the bad guys at 30 feet ( do not know how i didnt buy it that time) I don't scare easily ,.
But the thought we have by design been pitted agaisnt one another .
With from what I can only surmise as having one purpose That being to divide and weaken the citizenry as a whole
simply scares me spitless,..
Your thoughts would be welcome
All the best
Yohan
My dad grew up an Idaho boy, hunting rock chucks. He hunted moose, elk, antelope....had a whole gun cabinet full of rifles. Was an Eagle Scout, and a physician. Just shot himself in the head 9 weeks ago.
I have a 5-year old son, and a liberal husband who hates guns....don't know what to do with my boy.
I hav been around guns all my life my parents gave me toy guns as long as i can remember beck probably when i was old enough to pick it up I had toy guns up through the first few years of elementary school. My parents told me that when i started k-garden i could get a bb gun for christmas i got one i was told propper gun safety and handling from the time i got my first toy gun. When i was growing up i never touched a gun toy bb or real gun unless my parents told me it was ok. If i saw a gun out somewhere i would immediatly tell an adult. i was able to start hunting about the age of 7(with parent subervision) and hav ever since my family has always been gun owners/users and responsible ones. if anything being around guns when little and being tought the rights and wrongs of guns has probably made me even less likely to be a killer(not that i would of been). when you hear of shootings and murders with guns it is always someone that was never allowed to even look at a gun let alone learn about it, or someone that was already a criminal and then was able to get their hands on a gun. If they want to outlaw guns because they are dangerous and cause killing then they would also have to outlaw cars, knives, bows, arrows, hammers, most tools, chairs, pillows, water, etc, etc, etc, all of these have been used to kill people but their is no way in H#*L that they could be eleminated as they are part of our everyday life, it is the same with guns, and if they do outlaw guns then all you are doing is making it easier for criminals to kill people, because most criminals own their guns illegally and taking it from non criminals would spike crime because they would no noone could defend themselves. But like i hav said before... I want to see someone tell me i cant own my gun anymore i hav to turn it in to them.. i want to see them take it from me cause it'll be a could day in H#*L before i am without my guns.!!!
What a great story that was... some relief and hope that maybe there is still some hope out there.
Shoud say I am not refering to Mr Love or anyone in particular ,.. as to the people I would like to see go to war,.. (crat fanatics of what ever ilk )
and when I say within this blog I mean more generally the composit of blogs. This one in particular is more sane than what mental waste that slides down ther drain in others here in .(here in referring to Field and Stream blogs in general)
There that aughta stir the pot!
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