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February 26, 2010

Update: Idaho House Panel Backs Bill To Protect Hunter Identities

By Dave Hurteau

Earlier this month, we ran a link reporting that Boise wolf advocate Rick Hobson used public records to post on a website the names of 122 hunters who reported wolf kills to the IDFG, including Robert Millage, our own “idahooutdoors,” whose story of public scrutiny and harassment in the wake of tagging the first wolf of Idaho’s first 2009 season is detailed in our March 2010 issue.

Here’s the latest, from the Spokesman Review:
HB 531. . . would make all hunting licenses and tags secret, plus add criminal sanctions for any harassment of hunters…. Several media representatives spoke against the bill, saying it was too broad and would close down records that reporters, hunters and fishermen long have legitimately used, for everything from checking whether a candidate for the Fish & Game Commission had a hunting license to verifying that the subject of an outdoor feature about a trophy catch caught the fish legally. Jeremy Pisca, lobbyist for the Idaho Allied Daily Newspapers, said the bill was akin to going after a “gnat with a sledgehammer. . . .”

[HB 531 sponser Rep. Judy Boyle, R-Midvale] said it would prevent wolf hunters from being harassed. “It’s my belief that one of the reasons for government is to protect its citizens, and I feel that’s what this bill will do,” she said. The motion to send the bill to the amending order passed on a voice vote, with three committee members objecting.

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from shotgunlou wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Posted in the comments under the article from The Review. I couldn't have said it better myself. I do see why information should be public if its being used in a good way but as soon as you post a persons address and directions to their house you know it can't be for any good reason other than to harrass or harm the person or their family and that is why the information should not be made public.

"To place the background of this proposed legislation in better perspective, here is an excerpt from news coverage of the event behind it — the story of Robert Millage, the first Idaho hunter to legally shoot a wolf.

“When Millage awoke the morning after the hunt, interesting was not an adequate word to describe the attention that he was about to receive. Every major newspaper and TV media outlet had picked up the story of the wolf killer. From 6 a.m. to 10:30 that night, he held his cellphone to his ear while one caller after another laced into him.

In contrast to the calls, which mostly came from women, the flood of e-mails Millage received on the office computer, as well as comments posted on newspaper websites, where largely written by men. They were more sinister in tone.

“From Peter S: You are a F**king Ass**** and your entire family is perverted as well.

From SHARK: Only an uncivilized, marginally developed genitalia, morally, mentally … deficient person, with criminal and sadistic tendencies who preys on innocense (sic) would consider .. such senseless murder…. I bet this Robert BOY has molested a child. (Unbelievable!)

From Nobody: Why don't we take your kids out and rub them in blood and let them wander around a wolf pack?

Before the day's end anti-hunters had posted driving directions to Millage's house, including satellite photos of his residence, on Craigslist, MySpace and media blogsites.

As a father with two sons, ages 3 and 5, Miller's first concern was the safety of his children. He decided it was best for them to stay with his ex-wife.”"

Everyone in this country is entitled to an opinion...even the uninformed, the ignorant, the "civilized". But if that's civilized I'd rather be a caveman or a savage. I may not be the smartest person on the planet, hell I'm not even that good looking, but I know right from wrong.

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I'm wondering if anyone has done a background check on Rick Hobson ... hmmm, wonder what they might find?

Also, I'm curious if idahooutdoors',civil rights may have been violated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-Rights

Here are a couple of other links ...

http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/man-who-posted-wolf-hunter-info-on-web...

One poster, Kadah, says,
"While Hobson claims he didn’t publish the names to incite harassment, other of his comments makes it very clear that he did. The harassment of those who filled their wolf tags, legally obtained, paid for, is uncalled for. That Hobson choose to do what he did is also uncalled for. If Hobson truly cared about the environment and endangered species, as he claims, he wold be concerned about the decimation of the ungulate herds in Idaho. That he isn’t makes it very clear that Hobson and his co-conspirators have an ulterior motive. Wolves are apex predators; they aren’t the nice little doggie down the street. They eat their prey alive, more often preying on females and young, they rip fetuses from the womb and leave the mother to die! They kill for fun; they kill for sport; they kill because the animal is there and available. They are not the Disneyesque animals that the pro-wolf lobby would like you to believe. One of the agendas of Hobson and his ilk, is to driver farmers and ranchers off their land. The cost of the wolf on private land is far above killing livestock, for which the owner is never fully reimbursed. Cattle under stress lose weight; cattle that have been run by wolves lose calves and produce poor calves. Cattle that are pushed off good grazing ground by wolves also lose weight. Baren cows cost money as does the loss of the calf. None of these costs are reimbursable. The only time the livestock owner is reimbursed, partially, is if it is proven the animal was killed by wolves which becomes difficult when the carcass isn’t found right away. While people in the city might not know this, those seeking to push ranchers off public lands, do."

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter175.htm

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

This is what it all boils down to and I’ll use myself for example since I’m so dearly loved here!

Suppose my name, phone number and address leaks out thru such a manner of public knowledge and some whack job gets a hold of it. Because now, I have a person or persons and now is stalking me. That puts in danger not only myself it now encompasses my family, relatives, friends and the community I live in. The individual or individuals approach in a hostile manner and I react with the use of deadly force simply because I know they are not there selling Girl Scout cookies and somebody is killed!

So the bottom line its

Is it truly worth putting people and the community into a harmful and potentially deadly environment just because someone wants to push and profit on their agenda?

Glad to see the people of Idaho will in fact put safety and privacy of their Community above personal politics and their potentially deadly agenda!

It's not a question of if?

It's a question of when!

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from seadog wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

This is good news for Idaho. I hope the bill passes. Every state should do this. I've been fortunate--I've never been a victim of any serious harassment. What Robert had to endure should never happen to anyone.

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from cdavis1887 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

wow wolves kill for sport?? last i heard humans were the only species on the planet that did that, wolves kill for food except for the odd rat or rabbit they bring back to train their pups

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from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Wolves do kill for sport, I can flood your email full of evidence of the fact cdavis1887......and about the bill...the best part to me, is that the law makers made copies of all the vial messages sent to me by the ant-hunters, and handed those out as evidence for a need to do something...so thanks to all my ant-hunter fans out there for giving us the tools to get new legislation passed...I hate new laws, but I also live in a country where one group, doesn't have a right, to use threats and harassment against law abiding individuals as a tool to further their own agendas...we have proper and legal channels for settling such matters...so to all the haters, keep sending the garbage filled messages my way, it just shows which side of this matter is civil, and which is not....and don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the ignorant, un-informed, and horribly mis-informed....

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Doesn't seem to harsh to me.. It seems the punishment will suit the crime.

I hope other states follow suit and strengthen their hunting laws against similar acts of harassment.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Someone says, wow wolves kill for sport?? Perhaps if they lived in Alaska during the four years I did listening to the horror stories of wolves killing pets and livestock they would have a totally different point of view. I wish I had the picture of a homeowner holding the head of his Labrador Retriever which was the only remains from a wolf attack in his yard.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

There is a reason American Indians say you can kill a coyote or wolf, but do not skin it. You will set free its evil spirit that will follow you! I’m not a superstitious person, but I do believe some beliefs are for a legit reason

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from logan.vandermay wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Great legislation.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I agree with shotgunlou. The information should be available for inspection by the public, including newspaper reporters. But there should be a prohibition against publication of any part of the information, especially the identity of individuals.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I see no legitimate reason for the info to be publically available. The state has the data linking name and address to licensee because it *has to* have such data to make management decisions and enforce hunting laws. That doesn't mean everyone should have access to the data merely because the state has a database.

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from shotgunlou wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Hey 99explorer-

I wasn't saying I thought it should be made public, I was speaking in general terms about the use of information that is gleaned by our government about us. Specifically this type of information, which has boiled into controversy, should not be made public. I apologize for the lack of clarity. Hunters names, addresses and directions to their homes being posted for anyone to see is NOT what the gov't had in mind when they made the info public.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

This is what it all boils down to and I’ll use myself for example since I’m so dearly loved here!

Suppose my name, phone number and address leaks out thru such a manner of public knowledge and some whack job gets a hold of it. Because now, I have a person or persons and now is stalking me. That puts in danger not only myself it now encompasses my family, relatives, friends and the community I live in. The individual or individuals approach in a hostile manner and I react with the use of deadly force simply because I know they are not there selling Girl Scout cookies and somebody is killed!

So the bottom line its

Is it truly worth putting people and the community into a harmful and potentially deadly environment just because someone wants to push and profit on their agenda?

Glad to see the people of Idaho will in fact put safety and privacy of their Community above personal politics and their potentially deadly agenda!

It's not a question of if?

It's a question of when!

+7 Good Comment? | | Report
from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Wolves do kill for sport, I can flood your email full of evidence of the fact cdavis1887......and about the bill...the best part to me, is that the law makers made copies of all the vial messages sent to me by the ant-hunters, and handed those out as evidence for a need to do something...so thanks to all my ant-hunter fans out there for giving us the tools to get new legislation passed...I hate new laws, but I also live in a country where one group, doesn't have a right, to use threats and harassment against law abiding individuals as a tool to further their own agendas...we have proper and legal channels for settling such matters...so to all the haters, keep sending the garbage filled messages my way, it just shows which side of this matter is civil, and which is not....and don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the ignorant, un-informed, and horribly mis-informed....

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from shotgunlou wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Posted in the comments under the article from The Review. I couldn't have said it better myself. I do see why information should be public if its being used in a good way but as soon as you post a persons address and directions to their house you know it can't be for any good reason other than to harrass or harm the person or their family and that is why the information should not be made public.

"To place the background of this proposed legislation in better perspective, here is an excerpt from news coverage of the event behind it — the story of Robert Millage, the first Idaho hunter to legally shoot a wolf.

“When Millage awoke the morning after the hunt, interesting was not an adequate word to describe the attention that he was about to receive. Every major newspaper and TV media outlet had picked up the story of the wolf killer. From 6 a.m. to 10:30 that night, he held his cellphone to his ear while one caller after another laced into him.

In contrast to the calls, which mostly came from women, the flood of e-mails Millage received on the office computer, as well as comments posted on newspaper websites, where largely written by men. They were more sinister in tone.

“From Peter S: You are a F**king Ass**** and your entire family is perverted as well.

From SHARK: Only an uncivilized, marginally developed genitalia, morally, mentally … deficient person, with criminal and sadistic tendencies who preys on innocense (sic) would consider .. such senseless murder…. I bet this Robert BOY has molested a child. (Unbelievable!)

From Nobody: Why don't we take your kids out and rub them in blood and let them wander around a wolf pack?

Before the day's end anti-hunters had posted driving directions to Millage's house, including satellite photos of his residence, on Craigslist, MySpace and media blogsites.

As a father with two sons, ages 3 and 5, Miller's first concern was the safety of his children. He decided it was best for them to stay with his ex-wife.”"

Everyone in this country is entitled to an opinion...even the uninformed, the ignorant, the "civilized". But if that's civilized I'd rather be a caveman or a savage. I may not be the smartest person on the planet, hell I'm not even that good looking, but I know right from wrong.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I'm wondering if anyone has done a background check on Rick Hobson ... hmmm, wonder what they might find?

Also, I'm curious if idahooutdoors',civil rights may have been violated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-Rights

Here are a couple of other links ...

http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/man-who-posted-wolf-hunter-info-on-web...

One poster, Kadah, says,
"While Hobson claims he didn’t publish the names to incite harassment, other of his comments makes it very clear that he did. The harassment of those who filled their wolf tags, legally obtained, paid for, is uncalled for. That Hobson choose to do what he did is also uncalled for. If Hobson truly cared about the environment and endangered species, as he claims, he wold be concerned about the decimation of the ungulate herds in Idaho. That he isn’t makes it very clear that Hobson and his co-conspirators have an ulterior motive. Wolves are apex predators; they aren’t the nice little doggie down the street. They eat their prey alive, more often preying on females and young, they rip fetuses from the womb and leave the mother to die! They kill for fun; they kill for sport; they kill because the animal is there and available. They are not the Disneyesque animals that the pro-wolf lobby would like you to believe. One of the agendas of Hobson and his ilk, is to driver farmers and ranchers off their land. The cost of the wolf on private land is far above killing livestock, for which the owner is never fully reimbursed. Cattle under stress lose weight; cattle that have been run by wolves lose calves and produce poor calves. Cattle that are pushed off good grazing ground by wolves also lose weight. Baren cows cost money as does the loss of the calf. None of these costs are reimbursable. The only time the livestock owner is reimbursed, partially, is if it is proven the animal was killed by wolves which becomes difficult when the carcass isn’t found right away. While people in the city might not know this, those seeking to push ranchers off public lands, do."

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter175.htm

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from seadog wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

This is good news for Idaho. I hope the bill passes. Every state should do this. I've been fortunate--I've never been a victim of any serious harassment. What Robert had to endure should never happen to anyone.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I see no legitimate reason for the info to be publically available. The state has the data linking name and address to licensee because it *has to* have such data to make management decisions and enforce hunting laws. That doesn't mean everyone should have access to the data merely because the state has a database.

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Doesn't seem to harsh to me.. It seems the punishment will suit the crime.

I hope other states follow suit and strengthen their hunting laws against similar acts of harassment.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Someone says, wow wolves kill for sport?? Perhaps if they lived in Alaska during the four years I did listening to the horror stories of wolves killing pets and livestock they would have a totally different point of view. I wish I had the picture of a homeowner holding the head of his Labrador Retriever which was the only remains from a wolf attack in his yard.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

There is a reason American Indians say you can kill a coyote or wolf, but do not skin it. You will set free its evil spirit that will follow you! I’m not a superstitious person, but I do believe some beliefs are for a legit reason

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from shotgunlou wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Hey 99explorer-

I wasn't saying I thought it should be made public, I was speaking in general terms about the use of information that is gleaned by our government about us. Specifically this type of information, which has boiled into controversy, should not be made public. I apologize for the lack of clarity. Hunters names, addresses and directions to their homes being posted for anyone to see is NOT what the gov't had in mind when they made the info public.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from logan.vandermay wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Great legislation.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I agree with shotgunlou. The information should be available for inspection by the public, including newspaper reporters. But there should be a prohibition against publication of any part of the information, especially the identity of individuals.

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from cdavis1887 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

wow wolves kill for sport?? last i heard humans were the only species on the planet that did that, wolves kill for food except for the odd rat or rabbit they bring back to train their pups

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