


February 19, 2010
USFWS Announces Firearms-Possession Policy Change
By Dave Hurteau
From a US Fish and Wildlife Service press release:
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service today announced that effective February 22, 2010, the rules governing possession of firearms on National Wildlife Refuges will change as a result of legislation enacted by Congress. After this date, the law allows an individual to lawfully possess a firearm within the boundaries of a National Wildlife Refuge in accordance with federal and state firearms laws. . . .
The new law applies to all 551 units of the National Wildlife Refuge System, as well as the National Monuments and the 392 units of the National Park System.
While the law will change the application of rules regarding possession of firearms, it has no impact on the authorized uses of firearms on National Wildlife Refuges. The law does not allow visitors to fire or discharge the firearms in any way, brandish the weapon in the view of others, or any other use of the firearm. Enforcement of regulations concerning firearms use remains under the purview of the Department of the Interior.
In short, the law does not expand hunting opportunities or any other authorized use of a firearm beyond what is already allowed within the Refuge system. But—and this is the bottom line--it does let you possess a firearm in a bunch of places where you previously couldn’t.
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Great. It's about time.
This is a step in the right direction.
Maybe by the time my kids are my age they will be able to draw a permit to hunt one of these sacred areas.
AMen it has been a drawn out processand glad it's finally enacted.This statement will always stay with me."I rather be fined than to spent eternity in a pile of bear scat"
I would skip wearing a firearm in a national Wildlife Refuge if the bears, cougars and wolves would give up their rights to have teeth and claws.
haha well said jerry and alabama. glad this finally passed
I have always carried at least one weapon, be it edged or other wise, on me ever since the rabid dog came after me a few years ago. I hold no ill feelings towards four legged predators it is their nature. it is the two legged ones that I have a real issue with.
I called USFWS and got clarification on this new/change of regulation. Basically the law still forbids the position of Firearms in a Federal Buildings, Court House etc. that hasn’t changed at all. In other words, what they have done is to recognize the State Law of the position of and the carry of a firearm. Nothing has really changed, just recognizes the State Law of Position. This new law does not give you any authorization to discharge of a firearm what so ever with the only exception of Self Defense in according to your State and Local Law period! If your State authorizes you for open carry, use common sense not to be brandishing any firearm to attract unwanted reaction and of course you want to give consideration to those around you not to rattle them of the position of a firearm. The really good news about this, this change now allows Hunters to cross Federally Owned Property by legal means, motorized vehicle or on foot to access land which was previous land locked by surrounding private property, other Federal Land etc. Military installations this does not apply!
Sigh...It's about time! Nuff said.
For months and months before the election, countless threads on this site bashed Obama as anti gun and oh no he is going to take my guns and oh no we are screwed. Now he allows this legislation to go through, and surprise, nobody gives him praise..... I guess they didn't give much attention to this topic on Fox....
A win for us and added protection in the back country ...both from wildlife and a potential deliverance moment (had to add that to get a chuckle)
but lets face it everyone we encounter outdoors ain't exactly our freind and case in point Californias ongoing battle with the Mexican pot growers in a National Forrest
When I called to get clarification for the new change in regulations for USFWS, I wound up calling the Department of Interior in Washington DC. I was both shocked and surprised after about an hour and a half of being passed from here to there and back again the was finally directed to the right place to an individuals who knows exactly what the new regulation in tales. The Gentleman I spoke to was actually excited over the change and expressed He too now has access to areas he couldn’t get to prior to this change. It’s nice he said to have a regulation that is now standard and has common since in all Government Controlled Lands and the possession and carry is now the same as State level. The change in regulation all boils down to common since law at the State level laws and regulation of possession and carry. He did say, don’t be brandishing a firearm. In other words, unless you feel really lonely and desiring to meet new people who don't like you!!!
Just out of curiosity where in the constitution does it ALLOW congress to make it illegal in the first place. I read the article and several comments here and for a bunch of hunting and fishing enthusiasts not many here actaully understand what the difference is between a right and a privilege. Everyone of you needs to read and understand the constitution before the government comes in and takes your rights (any of them).
Amen Mr. Jones and a +1 for you. Took the words right off my keyboard.
Freedom Jones
Very good point, the same as having the privilege not the right to travel on a roadway from one town to another. Roads are built to do what? For Commerce to pass from one point to the other, in other words for commerce to be regulated, not for a Sunday drive!
Notice the -1 like on JohnR, the idiots can't handle it!
JonR, I gave ya a +1 to correct that bastardly deed!
This is nice to hear. I'd love to hike the Appalachian Trail one day, but doing it without some form of firepower never sounded like a good idea to me.
this just gives the drug dealers and sexual predators one more place where they will have to think twice before making someone a victim. you just never know what you will encounter when you attack someone.
To give the devil his due, this did happen on Obama's watch. But on the other hand, it doesn't give us anything more than we already had in the rest of the state in which a National Wildlife Refuge is located.
I am amazed that this could happen under the present adminstration. Hopefully other firearms laws will pass in the gunowner's favor. Being a retired law enforcement officer, President Bush signed a bill into law that we can carry a concealed weapon everywhere in the US. I hope that we will get a nationwide right to carry law passed soon so that the average gunowner is allowed to carry nationwide if they have a concealed carry permit from their home state . I think crime would be less. Let's all keep working on our lawmakers.
"the law allows an individual to lawfully possess a firearm within the boundaries of a National Wildlife Refuge in accordance with federal and state firearms laws"
"The law does not allow visitors to fire or discharge the firearms in any way, brandish the weapon in the view of others, or any other use of the firearm."
Alright, so according to the text and most likely strict interpretation of the law, one can carry a firearm but not discharge it within the refuge/park (i.e. for self defense purposes or "any other use"). The legal wording has made the right and fight to carry arms in national parks a nullity unless I am missing something here.
This should be good news for people traveling to certain National Parks. Every year, several people are amuled/ killed in Glacier every year. It does not make national or even state news. Other than that, Laws do not do much for social control. Most people are going to avoid trouble anyway. A few are going to trample the rights of the rest of despite any laws passed. They are born not caring or otherwise unwilling to mind their own business.
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AMen it has been a drawn out processand glad it's finally enacted.This statement will always stay with me."I rather be fined than to spent eternity in a pile of bear scat"
I would skip wearing a firearm in a national Wildlife Refuge if the bears, cougars and wolves would give up their rights to have teeth and claws.
Just out of curiosity where in the constitution does it ALLOW congress to make it illegal in the first place. I read the article and several comments here and for a bunch of hunting and fishing enthusiasts not many here actaully understand what the difference is between a right and a privilege. Everyone of you needs to read and understand the constitution before the government comes in and takes your rights (any of them).
I have always carried at least one weapon, be it edged or other wise, on me ever since the rabid dog came after me a few years ago. I hold no ill feelings towards four legged predators it is their nature. it is the two legged ones that I have a real issue with.
Great. It's about time.
This is a step in the right direction.
haha well said jerry and alabama. glad this finally passed
Sigh...It's about time! Nuff said.
When I called to get clarification for the new change in regulations for USFWS, I wound up calling the Department of Interior in Washington DC. I was both shocked and surprised after about an hour and a half of being passed from here to there and back again the was finally directed to the right place to an individuals who knows exactly what the new regulation in tales. The Gentleman I spoke to was actually excited over the change and expressed He too now has access to areas he couldn’t get to prior to this change. It’s nice he said to have a regulation that is now standard and has common since in all Government Controlled Lands and the possession and carry is now the same as State level. The change in regulation all boils down to common since law at the State level laws and regulation of possession and carry. He did say, don’t be brandishing a firearm. In other words, unless you feel really lonely and desiring to meet new people who don't like you!!!
this just gives the drug dealers and sexual predators one more place where they will have to think twice before making someone a victim. you just never know what you will encounter when you attack someone.
Maybe by the time my kids are my age they will be able to draw a permit to hunt one of these sacred areas.
I called USFWS and got clarification on this new/change of regulation. Basically the law still forbids the position of Firearms in a Federal Buildings, Court House etc. that hasn’t changed at all. In other words, what they have done is to recognize the State Law of the position of and the carry of a firearm. Nothing has really changed, just recognizes the State Law of Position. This new law does not give you any authorization to discharge of a firearm what so ever with the only exception of Self Defense in according to your State and Local Law period! If your State authorizes you for open carry, use common sense not to be brandishing any firearm to attract unwanted reaction and of course you want to give consideration to those around you not to rattle them of the position of a firearm. The really good news about this, this change now allows Hunters to cross Federally Owned Property by legal means, motorized vehicle or on foot to access land which was previous land locked by surrounding private property, other Federal Land etc. Military installations this does not apply!
Amen Mr. Jones and a +1 for you. Took the words right off my keyboard.
Freedom Jones
Very good point, the same as having the privilege not the right to travel on a roadway from one town to another. Roads are built to do what? For Commerce to pass from one point to the other, in other words for commerce to be regulated, not for a Sunday drive!
Notice the -1 like on JohnR, the idiots can't handle it!
JonR, I gave ya a +1 to correct that bastardly deed!
This is nice to hear. I'd love to hike the Appalachian Trail one day, but doing it without some form of firepower never sounded like a good idea to me.
To give the devil his due, this did happen on Obama's watch. But on the other hand, it doesn't give us anything more than we already had in the rest of the state in which a National Wildlife Refuge is located.
I am amazed that this could happen under the present adminstration. Hopefully other firearms laws will pass in the gunowner's favor. Being a retired law enforcement officer, President Bush signed a bill into law that we can carry a concealed weapon everywhere in the US. I hope that we will get a nationwide right to carry law passed soon so that the average gunowner is allowed to carry nationwide if they have a concealed carry permit from their home state . I think crime would be less. Let's all keep working on our lawmakers.
A win for us and added protection in the back country ...both from wildlife and a potential deliverance moment (had to add that to get a chuckle)
but lets face it everyone we encounter outdoors ain't exactly our freind and case in point Californias ongoing battle with the Mexican pot growers in a National Forrest
"the law allows an individual to lawfully possess a firearm within the boundaries of a National Wildlife Refuge in accordance with federal and state firearms laws"
"The law does not allow visitors to fire or discharge the firearms in any way, brandish the weapon in the view of others, or any other use of the firearm."
Alright, so according to the text and most likely strict interpretation of the law, one can carry a firearm but not discharge it within the refuge/park (i.e. for self defense purposes or "any other use"). The legal wording has made the right and fight to carry arms in national parks a nullity unless I am missing something here.
This should be good news for people traveling to certain National Parks. Every year, several people are amuled/ killed in Glacier every year. It does not make national or even state news. Other than that, Laws do not do much for social control. Most people are going to avoid trouble anyway. A few are going to trample the rights of the rest of despite any laws passed. They are born not caring or otherwise unwilling to mind their own business.
For months and months before the election, countless threads on this site bashed Obama as anti gun and oh no he is going to take my guns and oh no we are screwed. Now he allows this legislation to go through, and surprise, nobody gives him praise..... I guess they didn't give much attention to this topic on Fox....
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