


March 04, 2010
Bourjaily: The North American Shotgun Battery
By Philip Bourjaily
“The North American Battery” story is a gun magazine staple. The author makes the case for his choices for the three-, five- or seven-rifle battery that arms you properly for every animal in the U.S. and Canada, from gray squirrels to grizzlies. It usually consists of a .22 LR for small game, a .270 or .30-06 for antelope through caribou, and a magnum of some kind for brown bears, moose and elk.
So what constitutes the North American shotgun battery?
The truth is, you could effectively hunt every shotgunnable critter in North America with one gun: an alloy-framed 3-inch semiautomatic 12 , say, a Winchester Super X3. It’s light enough to carry, the gas system moderates recoil, and choke tubes let you set it up for anything from birds in the brush to pass shooting. Throw in a slug barrel and you’ve got whitetails and black bears covered. I’d take a 3-inch gun over a 3.5 because 3.5 shells kick and are rarely necessary, while 3-inch guns cycle light target loads better, so I could shoot a lot of clays with my one gun.
One gun makes for a boring battery story. I’m going to say you need five. This is my current starting five, although I am fickle and the lineup is subject to change:
Waterfowl: a 12 gauge pump or semiauto. 26, 28 or 30 inch barrel. Mine is a Benelli M2 with a 26 inch barrel. It is shorter and lighter than my ideal waterfowl gun, but it was a bargain and is growing on me. The Winchester Super X2 that I rashly traded away last year is closer to what I think a waterfowl gun should be: a soft shooting, reliable, 8 pound gas gun.
Plains and prairie birds: 12, 16 or 20 with 28-inch barrels, your choice of action. Currently, mine is a Ruger Gold Label, a light 6 ½ pound 12 double. It has an aggressively forward balance that makes it swing like a heavier gun, which is what you want on the wide-open spaces.
Birds in the brush: 16, 20, 28 gauge with 24 to 28 inch barrels and very light weight. My grouse gun is an Ithaca/SKB 100 20 gauge. These Japanese doubles were ahead of their time back in the 70s. Mine has 25-inch barrels choked IC/M (SK/IC would be better) and weighs 5 pounds, 10 ounces.
Turkeys: 3-inch 12 or 20 gauge pump or semiauto with a 20-24-inch barrel and some type of sights. I like pumps for turkeys because it means I can make the excited launch from a sitting position to a flopping turkey without worrying about a live round in the chamber. Right now I am enamored of a 20 gauge 870 with an Undertaker choke tube and a Zeiss Z-Point sight.
Deer: 12 or 20 gauge fully rifled pump, semiauto or single shot. My 20 gauge H&R Ultra Slug Hunter single shot kicks very little thanks to its heavy barrel and shoots 2 ½ groups at 100 yards. It has a Bushnell Elite 3200 1.5x-4.5x on top.
Those are my picks. You?
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Waterfowl: 12 gauge 3" 1100 LH Magnum, 30" barrel.
Plains and prairie birds: 16 gauge Browning Sweet 16 w/ PowrPac (IC,M,F)
Birds in the brush: 20 gauge Browning SxS, IC & IM
Turkeys: 12 gauge 1100 LH with 26" Rem Choke barrel, and XF turkey choke.
Deer: 12 gauge 1100 LH w/20" slug barrel and rifle sights.
After thought- glad we are back to shotguns and finished with rubber bands?
Indeed so. Shotguns have the BOOM and smell of gunpowder! :)
Birds: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and various choke tubes. A longer barrel would be better, but why buy one.
Turkey: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and primos choke tube.
Deer: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and carlson's rifled choke tube.
Scope for Mossberg 500: Zeiss w/quick detach Leupold rings. I can use the scope for deer and/or turkey, remove it for everything else.
Squirrel and Rabbit: The same Mossberg 500....
Sorry for not playing by the rules, but one gun does it all for me.
Phil,
numerous printed advertisements have you touting the Beretta Extrema 2......no more? I bought mine because if Phil's name is attached to it, it HAS to be good.
Guess I'll throw in with the more advanced shotgun people who think they only need one shotgun. Having sold my entire gun collection because of whatever reason, I studied What I do and What I need for months. Since I only ever shoot once (who's in a hurry to end the hunt?), I began looking for single barrels for hunting. All the available Winchester '37s are too degraded, and parts are no longer being produced. The NEF's ain't making it for quality. An expert shotgunner proved to me that a 20 gauge is all anybody needs, and there is no need to take that recoil. So, for light weight, balance, easy handling, the total ergonomic package, and the ability to shoot blanks for dawg training, I chose the Benelli Youth Model Nova 20 gauge. I am convinced that it has no peer among pumps at any price. I always get the best. I've owned and shot Parkers and L.C. Smiths and everybody knows how good they are. But for pure functionality and light weight and handleability, Benelli has moved out into their own space.
Mine has three. I've never been turkey or duck hunting but would like to go. Maybe I'll need more but I am happy with the current arrangement, what are:
Upland Gun. Weatherby Athena d'Italia sxs, 28"bbl. 12ga.
Deer/upland/(waterfowl/turkey). Remington 870, 12ga., 28"bbl. If I need something longer for ducketc, I'll buy an extra bbl 30".
Utility shotgun. This is a gun I can throw in my truck when I'm camping out on my deer hunt. I can be gone all day hunting with my rifle, and not worry about whether someone decides to take it from my truck. I don't think anyone will steal it but if they do I'm not out much because they cost about $120 new. It's a Stoeger single classic made in Brazil, 12ga, 28" bbl, break-action single. That way I can take a turn around camp after a long hunt looking for rabbit or quail. It's wicked light and makes a pretty good dove gun too, because it shoulders very fast and points very well for a cheap gun.
Biggamecock -- I hope you are happy with your Xtrema2 -- I do believe it is a great waterfowl gun. I don't have one because they cost a lot, and because switching the safety to LH requires buying a whole new trigger group which also costs a lot. By the way, Beretta pulled that quote they used in their catalog from something I wrote and asked my permission to use it. I received nothing in return.
I agree with the post above. Why do you need a 22LR, 270, or Magnum? Shot gets your birds, rabbits, and squirrels better than the 22. The 20 gauge slugs preform the same as the 12 these days and are perfect for deer, elk, and bear. Load up buckshot and you have yourself a yote or 2 legged varmit gun. From 10 feet to 200 yards the 20 gauge will do it all.
I'm partial to the 870. 3 inch chamber with a 28 inch barrel should handle about anything. Also, several barrel options are available for everything else.
philbourjaily-
Are you aware of any way to reverse the safety on a Model 12 Winchester to be left handed?
Phil, I am happy that you included the 16 gauge in two of your bird-hunting categories!
CRM3006 -- The Model 12 safeties don't reverse easily -- you need a left-handed safety button
Nuline guns sells LH safeties for M12s. You can also find the Williams Big Head LH Safety for sale used -- just google it.
I have to throw my vote of confidence in for the Benelli Nova... Just because I love mine!
Mossberg 835 if i could only git one, but to play by the rules,
Waterfowl: Benelli M2 (in process of purchase)
Plains: Stoeger Uplander supreme in 20ga
Brush: Stoeger Coach supreme in 12ga
Turkey: Moss 835 any config exept for slug bbl
Big Game: Moss 500 w/ slug bbl
Ducks and geese: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Upland birds: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Turkey and backup for everything: Remington 870
Trap: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Front door: Stevens 311 20 ga SxS
Waterfowl: 3" Benelli M2. Not only do the 3 inchers kick less, they cost a bunch less too!
Plains and prairie birds: 12gauge, 28" Fausti Style with two triggers.
Birds in the brush: Stevens 20ga SxS, 26" full and modified. It was my gandpa's gun and is quite beat up so when I use it to bat away the pickers, I don't get a nicely finished gun all a scratched up.
Turkeys: Same Benelli M2 but I use a modified choke. I'm not quite sure why, but full choke and the other turkey chokes I've tried throw horrid irregular patterns out of my gun and that modified tied in with #5 Federal Heavyweight loads do some real evil things to a tukey.
Deer: When I used to deer hunt with a shotgun, my Mossberg 500 beat the snot out of me! As well as one friends 870 and anothers 11-87. Since I purposely live where I can hunt with a rifle, that if I had to use a shotgun again, I would use my M2. That comfort Tech stock reduces recoil so well with whatever full power load I put through it, that I'm sure it would do the same on a slug?
Waterfowl-Browning Citori 3.5 inch camo and ported.
Plains- A fine double 12
Brush - A fine double 28
Turkey/Deer/Defense - 3.5 inch 870
One way or another, you ought to have an 870 on the list--even if it's just there as a backup for when your "cadilac" shotgun breaks or jams.
Boo and Hiss. Not mentioning a .410 once? Saying the 12 gauge will do it all come on. Yes it will, but what is the fun in using a 12 gauge for everything. Make it a challenge, that is part of the sport. Don't get me wrong 12 gauges are very good guns, but there is nothing a 12 gauge would do that a 16 wont do.
On the other hand, I applaud you for finally making one of these about shotguns. Also SKB 100 20 gauge. I feel like they are the most under appreciated type of shotgun around, and that the shotgun is the most under appreciated type of firearm.
After taking the latter into consideration I do think this deserves a thumbs up.
My current battery:
Duck and Goose: Browning Auto-5 Magnum 12, 3"
Pheasant or Dove: BRNO sxs, 12 gauge, 2 3/4"
Quail or Squirrel: Franchi AL-48, 20 gauge, 2 3/4"
Turkey: Benelli Nova, 12 gauge, 3 1/2"
No real purpose: Stevens bolt-action, 12 gauge, 2 3/4"
Backup for any of above: Remington 870, 12 gauge, 3"
No need for another shotgun (but always looking.)
I'll go with the Mossberg 500 guy
28" VR Barrel for the field & Turkey
20" Smooth bore Slug Barrel for the big guys
Mosssberg Full, X Tra full and Modified chokes do the job.
No need to add any aftermarket chokes to a perfect system
12ga from HE-double hockey sticks!!! Search it and tell me that couldn't take any critter ever. Maybe even work for old T-rex. LOL
But seriously, I can only afford one gun and that will be a Remington 870 super-magnum maybe if I'm lucky it will have 2 barrels. After that some day probably a Benelli semi-auto 12ga, and a 20ga or two for the wife and kids and when I get smart enough to realize you don't need a 12ga for doves and rabbits. And probably a .410 just in case I ever start shooting too well.
Waterfowl: Beretta Xtrema II
Plains: Remington 870 wingmaster
Brush: Remington 870 wingmaster
Turkey: Beretta Xtrema II
Big Game: Browning A-bolt shotgun
And - #6 shot for burglars (you can't put ground beef back together), 12 0r 20, pump.
Dear Phil Bourjaily;
Although we agree wholeheartedly, YOUR FIRED!
Sincerely,
Remington, Savage, Winchester, Kimber & other rifle
companies
I can hunt any bird with my SBE with various lengths and loads of shells. This sucker and the big ammo get heavy for an old geezer like me so I switch off to the little 28 ga SKB O/U if a long day and lots of walking is involved. By the way my friend who has the Connecticut 20 ga S X S got an identical 28 ga made. On our last pheasant hunt, and his first with this gun, he did not miss a single rooster as we both got our limits. Additionally he killed one at about 35 yards and another at just over 40 with the wee 1 oz loads of 6's. Eat your heart out Petzal.
I gotta agree with the smart crowd that says the Mossberg 500 can and will take everything. If I had to carry a second firearm it would be the trusty ole 30-06.
I'm with Spartan88.
I love my .410 side by side for squirrel and other small game. Those little boogers damage little meat and ask for a little stalk with your hunt.
My turkey gun is a Remington SP10 21 in barrel. I use to worry the barrel was too short but several turkey have given a two legs up vote that it works just fine.
My duck gun is a cheap Bakail I won at a DU banquet. I like it because it can sit on the bottom of the boat or in a ground blind without worrying dings and scratches.
If I'm hunting birds in the brush. They are safe regardless of the gun I'm holding.
I once owned the worlds greatest deer slug gun. A Rem 870 LW Wingmaster 20 ga (mid 80's version) with a smooth slug barrel. I only shot one deer with it but I am sure the SOB who stole it has shot many more.
Upland - Merkel 147E 20 gauge, violated by adding Briley chokes.
Pheasant/shooting sports - Browning B-25, 12-gauge, again, with screw-in chokes
Turkey and backup - Benelli SBE - that's he older 12 gauge with wood stocks.
Just because I love them - Model 12s with the large corncob fore stocks in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauges.
I don't go for none of that new fangled stuff. None of my shotguns run on batteries...
Over the years, I've owned a good many shotguns for various purposes. A Winchester Mod. 101 in 20 gauge with choke tubes and 26" barells is the best upland game gun I've ever hunted with. I have a Win. 101 in 12 ga. also but would give the nod to the 20 because it is lighter and points faster.
I use a Remington Mod.870 with a 26" Hastings barell and tubes for turkeys. 3" chamber. If I hunted waterfowl I would opt for a 28" or 30" barell with tubes on the 870.
Never have hunted deer with a shotgun so I can't say.
Ishawooa
Welcome back! Long time no post! Happy Myles has been looking for you.
Best regards,
WMH
So many excellent shotguns. I really enjoy the 20 finding it handles most of my work quiet well and the shells and gun aren't bulky. Last fall Gander Mountain had a very nice A-5 3" 20 Belgium w/two barrels that came home with me. Earlier in the year I found a Mod 12 Heavy Duck Gun in very nice shape and it came home with me. But what has proven good is a Browning Gold Hunter 12 w/26" I love it. The other is a CZ import Huglu 20 auto with 26" barrel. These last two have shot birds with ease. My Mossberg is for sale at the barber/gun shop. It is a 12 w/26" barrel. By the way the CZ knocked over a 10 point buck w/o any problem last fall.
Well there's two catagories; what I would like and what I have. Since I haven't afforded what I would like, this is what I have:
Waterfowl, deer (I am permitted to use buckshot) for close in swamp work, and turkeys - Browning 10 gauge pump stalker with 24" barrel.
Doves and upland birds - Winchester 12 gauge model 1400 semi-auto with 23/4" chambers.
Self defense and everything else - Mossberg 12 gauge pump with 20" rifle sight barrel and police cruiser 8 shot magazine.
I do have a 20 gauge Stevens youth model single shot for my grandkids when they get older.
That about covers it.
My Winchester Model 12, 2&3/4in.,modified choke, has taken all of the game listed without a problem. For waterfowl over open water or fields you rely on calling them within effective range. As I aged I bought and collected many other shotguns for one or two specific purposes, but would shed all but the model 12 if it ever came doen to it. As for a knock around do most anything shotgun, I have a Rossi Overland, 20 ga. with hammers. When the LA sheriff's deputies came into that beer joint with their Rossi doubles and cocked those hammers, the place quieted down fast and the trouble makers decided to go peacefully.
Good choice for the one gun do it all, Phil.
Here are my selections; I would hate to limit myself to one shotgun.
Doves: Harrod's 16 ga. sxs 29" barrels
Rizzini 28 ga. o/u 30" barrels
quail: DeHaan 28 ga. sxs 28" barrels
pheasant: Fabarm 12 ga. sxs 30" barrels
Ducks: A.H. Fox 12 ga. sxs 30" barrels
Turkey: Zoli combination gun 12 ga. over .222 Remington
26" barrels, flip up sight.(I hate those toms
that stop and stare from 60-80 yds.)
Shotguns are pretty much useless for deer in the Texas
Panhandle, but for creek bottom hunting the Zoli turkey gun would do nicely.
There is not an animal in North America I could not efficiently hunt with my 870 3.5 supermag. I love mine. Not to mention most self defense experts promote the 12ga as the best all-around. As far as the 3' vs. 3.5' debate, I like how 'Gus McCrea' in 'Lonesome Dove' put it. "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
Following are my go-to guns however, I like a little variety so I change things up often.
Waterfowl: 12 gauge 3 1/2" Bakail mp133, 26" barrel.(choke tube to be determined for conditions)
Plains and prairie birds: I don't know what that's about, there are so few pheasants in Michigan I don't bother them.
Birds in the brush: 12 gauge Ithaca 37 deerslayer 20" smoothbore slug barrel.( although I use to shoot more partridge with my savage .22/.410 over/under as a kid than today )
Turkeys: 12 gauge 3 1/2" Bakail mp133, 26" barrel full choke tube
Deer: 12 gauge Ithaca 37 deerslayer 20" smoothbore slug barrel. red dot sight
I thought the 870 WAS the North American shotgun battery. Mine is a 3-1/2 turkey model with a 21 inch barrel and I've used it on deer, turkey, geese, grouse, quail, dove, duck, raccoon, possum, crow, armadillo and blackbirds. It also makes a helluva home defense weapon, although I have not officially tested it in that capacity. It's probably the deadliest gun I've ever owned. It's so deadly that I thought about nicknaming it "Smallpox" instead of "Old Betsy." It reliably shoots 2-3/4, 3 and 3-1/2 inch shells. I accidentally put a 16-gauge shell in it one time and it fired and cycled it even.
Nice thread. My battery consists of an 12 ga. 870 Express Magnum for waterfowl and deer with appropriate barrels. Either a nice Fox BSE 20 ga. 25 in barreled sxs in imp. cyl. and mod. or an heirloom J. Stevens Mod. 335 sxs in 16 ga. with full or more full choked 28 in. barrels for plain or brush. I have an 12 ga. 870 Wingmaster for those occasions needing a really nice looking gun and a "home defense" version for those occasions I'd rather never see.
For ducks my go to gun is my SX2, grouse and pheasants Wingmaster 20 gauge trap my Model 12 pigeoin grade and if I can ever make up my mind I want to get a 410.
Every body forgot "home protection".
Thanks for asking Phil. I've always been partial to the 12 gauge when it comes to shotguns. This may change as I get older. My stockpile:
Waterfowl: Benelli SBE II in max-4
Pheasant/Quail: Beretta Silver Pigeon
Dove: Franchi I-12 in wood
Turkey: Remington 870 express
Deer: Ruger M77 30.06
I'm at a point of being content with this bunch, None have let me down.
Home protection: Rossi 3" 12ga 20" barrel double hammer coachgun 00 buck. I've also used it for grouse but with 7 1/2 shot. Load the double barrel Ma!
I second dale, forget a Home Defense shotgun, anything that can kill a deer can also kill a burglar.
I'm with the one gun side, a smoothbore, pump, anything reliable that shoots 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells, for deer load I would carry (used to live in NJ, shotgun only hunting there) a Rottweil Brenekee Slug backed up by 3 inch OOO Buckshot. Figure the first shot can be aimed and then pump out the rest as fast as I can if it doesn't go down!
BTW, a 12 Gauge, forgot to say that......
Easy. Waterfowl, SBE LH 3.5 mag. Gotta have a mag! Deer 870 12 gauge with a Nikon and fully rifled barrel. my Dad bought it for me for my 8th grade Graduation in 78. woods and upland Ruger Red label 12. For fun on bunnies, Lefeever 12 Side by side or 870 .410 with full choke. Can I get this .410 smithed to accept choke tubes? Does anyone know?
Mock1-
Sorry I don't have a link, but googol Briley in Houston, TX. They can do it if it can be done.
Turkey, ducks, geese, skittish pheasants and burglers get my Benelli SBE. Just about everything else Beretta Silver Pidgeon 28 guage. My other shotguns pretty much are safe queens. For deer it's a Mathews Z-7 or Kimber 25-06. The elk gun this fall will be a Mdl 700 Classic in 350 Rem. Mag that my chronograph says gets over 2900 FPS with a Barnes 200 grain TSX bullet and 64 grains of Ramshot TAC. I'm still amazed at that load. Factory 200 grain corelockt ammo is only 2750 fps.
Ishawooa, Great to see you back my friend. Now how about some of those good campfire stories you always have?
Thanks guys, my wife's bad back (7 surgeries in 10 years and she's ten years younger than me) has been experiencing problems. Additionally my oldest daughter (26 years) put herself in alcohol rehab. My extra time has been limited for the last few months. I'll have to tell you all about my friend's trip to Mozambique, 29 animals including 2 cape buffalo, a leopard, a hippo, and all sorts of buks, boks, and whatever.
By the way from my previous post regarding the 28 ga don't in any way consider than I prefer it to a 20ga. The latter weighs about the same as the former, shells are cheaper and easier to find, and the 20 most likely produces better patterns. Its just that I've owned the 28 for almost 3 decades plus the cute little shells astound new hunting buddies when I fold up a big rooster that they missed with their twelve. In reality I don't recommend that you go out and buy one. Of course Petzal would own a couple if D'Arcy ever decided to chamber a Legend in that gauge.
ishawooa;
I'm an alcoholic, also.
Do not give up on her.
its not a daily thang, it's hourly.
give her lots of tough love and she's in my prayers.
deer 12ga 870 fully rifled
turkey rem. rem 887 3"
waterfowl rem 105 cti2 3"
birds in brush 11-87 2 3/4"
prairie and plains rem 1100 2 3/4"
got to go with remington
Thanks Dale F as our thoughts and prayers are with you as well.
Hey Phil,
How's that Ruger Gold Label handle in the field? I have yet to see one in the stores in my part of town, for I have only seen them in catalogs!
I live in suburban Detroit, and have access to many sports stores, seen many a RED label guns, but never a GOLD label!
I currently use an O/U turkish mage Hulu; well made, but looking into the S/S Ruger with 26inch barrels for my field/bird gun.
My first gun ever was a cheap Rossi 12. I used it on rabbits for a few years and I loved it. A year ago I started turkey hunting and needed something with choke tubes. I splurged and got a combo 870 20 gauge with a rifled barrel and a field barrel. I have done a lot of reading about turkey guns and I was a little leery about being under gunned for turkey. I was pleasantly surprised that, even at 34-40 yards, the 20 killed that turkey as dead as dead gets.
I WOULD have to rant a little now about using a shotgun for a deer rifle. I was pretty excited to used this gun as my brush gun, until I tried to actually buy ammo for it. Because it is rifled, I need to use sabot ammo with it. Has anyone else been mortified by the price of sabot rifled slugs?? At 14 dollars for five rounds (ON SALE), it is roughly 3 dollars a round. Some brands went up as high as 5 dollars a round. That is 5 dollars for a single round or ammo! I can by 50bmg ammo for that. At that price it took me almost the price of the gun just to get the feel for the thing. Especially because at that price I wanted to make sure I had the right set up. I wanted my nephew to try this gun for his first year of hunting but when it came time to let him try it out I could feel the dollar bills falling out of my pocket as he missed the target. I couldn't take it. I will keep the 10 rounds I have left as a reminder of what they look like but they are going in my museum and I will continue to use my 30-06 which, by the way, I can get ammo for around 50 cents a round when it goes on sale. So I can take my 06 to the range and shoot it 6 to 10 times for every single shot of the shot gun. If I ever want to hunt in a shotgun only area I will use my muzzleloader instead or my handgun instead.
Gitz: you don't have to use sabot, copper, or any other "special" slug for a rifled 12 ga. My son and son-in-law - 870 mag/ mossberg 835 - both shoot remmington sluggers, accurate and deadly. Sure ya gotta clean the barrel once and awhile but I have not seen any great amount of lead fouling. Remember those slugs are only traveling at about 1500 fps
I have never shot sabot slugs through my Remington barrel, (not rifled), so I can't comment on them. However, it will shoot 2" or 2 1/2" groups with plain old conventional slugs at 100 yds. I can only suppose that a rifled barrel would improve on this. Why not just shoot conventional slugs? I would prefer to use a rifle on deer at any distance, but some areas that I might hunt have that pesky "shotgun only" rule.
browning A-5 3" for ducks and geese,also is a back up for my 1300..never know when a gun has to go to the shop for repairs..had this happen once during turkey season
winchester 1300 for turkeys and deer, patternmaster choke tube...gives nice tight patterns for buckshot and #5's. kicks like a mule though. this gun was a 1st generation nwtf gun with the pickle laminated stock.
remington 1100 23/4" for dove, crows, quail, and rabbits
have 2 barrels for this gun 28" mod and 26" ic
My Ideal 5 gun shotgun battery- Some of these guns I have but some I don't.
Waterfowl- Browning BPS 10 GA with a wood stock matte blue finish and 30 inch barrel with choke tubes as I see more geese than ducks.
Plains/Prarie birds- Remington 870 express 12 ga. with 28 inch barrel with matte blue finish with chokes tubes.(back up waterfowl gun)
Forrest birds-Ithaca 37 20 ga with a 26 inch barrel with choke tubes.(back up plains gun)
Turkey-Not a turkey hunter but I would pick a remington 870 supermag with a good load and choke combo with fiber optic rifle sights. (can also be used as a back up deer and HD gun with a choke tube change)
Deer-Ithaca 37 20 ga with a deer slayer barrel and rifle sights. Just shoot old school foster style 3 in. mags that group well and set your stand or blind up for a reasonable shot. A slug gun is not a rifle; it never has been and never will be. However it is very effective if you know its limits and can shoot it accurately.
Ralph -- I should do a post on the Gold Label. Short version is, Ruger doesn't make them anymore and at the price the used guns fetch, you can buy something better.
Can anyone help me ?
Does the .223 fmj, start tumbling on contact ?
Can someone help mr ?
Does the .223 fmj, start tumbling on impact ?
yep im a big shotgun fan...but im partial to pumps by far and away my favorite... as of right now ive got 3 single shots 2 semi autos 1 double 1 lever action and 5 pumps my favorite would either be the mosberg 500 in 12 guage or the ithica in 20 gauge... just depends on the situation i guess
both that i mention specifically are pumps lol
-Browning Gold 10 ga 26" barrel Pattermaster chokes
-SBE 2 LH 28" barrel Patternmaster chokes
-Browning BPS 12 ga 3.5" 26" barrell Patternmaster chokes= Backup
-Browning BPS 16 ga Upland 26" barrel mod
-Browning 425 20 ga 26" barrel ic/mod
-Tar Hunt lh 870 12 ga dedicated slug gun
As a lefty I've been thru more than a few shotguns before finding the right ones that fit, point and aren't boat anchors. The Gold 10ga points like a 12 and kills like a punt gun, geese hate it and it's 1+lbs lighter than the remington sp10. I'm on my second SBE, it's lite, it's lefty and it's your only choice if you want a left handed auto that fires all the time, everytime. It's a perfect goose/duck combo hunt gun.
The BPS is a solid back up, I never leave the house w/ just one gun, super slick action and has a slug barrel. The 16 ga BPS is a fine upland hunter and points great, can't find a decent px'd 16 ga o/u that feels as good as the 425 20 ga.I won't drag a 12ga around the field/woods all day and the 16ga has never killed pheasants/chukar etc any less dead than the 12's and i have a mess of brenneke slugs for the odd hog or coyote. The Browning 425 20 ga feels like it was custom made for me and it's as civilized a firearm as i ever want to own, I wouldn't sell or trade it for a brace of Holland & Holland's. After tracking my last buckshot shot whitetail for longer than I care to admit I went home and ordered a Tar Hunt 870....we'll see. I've owned mossberg's, nova's,870's, 1100's, Franchis o/u and semi, 3 model 12's 2x12ga 1x 16ga, all gone now with now regrets. anyway what fun is it to own one gun that does it all? I mean how many types of wrenches do you own? Find the rite tool for each individual job.
Mine has three. I've never been turkey or duck hunting but would like to go. Maybe I'll need more but I am happy with the current arrangement, منتديات مسجات what are Upland Gun. Weatherby Athena d'Italia sxs, 28"bbl. 12ga.
Deer/upland/(waterfowl/turkey). Remington 870, 12ga., 28"bbl. If I need something longer for ducketc, I'll buy an extra bbl 30". وسائط توبيكات Utility shotgun. This is a gun I can throw in my truck when I'm camping out on my deer hunt. I can be gone all day hunting with my rifle, and not worry about whether someone decides to take it from my truck. I don't think anyone will steal it but if they do I'm not out much because they cost about $120 new. It's a Stoeger single classic made in Brazil, 12ga, 28" bbl, break-action single. ماسنجر That way I can take a turn around camp after a long hunt looking for rabbit or quail. It's wicked light and makes a pretty good dove gun too, because it shoulders very fast and points very well for a cheap gun.
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Birds: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and various choke tubes. A longer barrel would be better, but why buy one.
Turkey: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and primos choke tube.
Deer: Mossberg 500 w/20 inch barrel and carlson's rifled choke tube.
Scope for Mossberg 500: Zeiss w/quick detach Leupold rings. I can use the scope for deer and/or turkey, remove it for everything else.
Squirrel and Rabbit: The same Mossberg 500....
Sorry for not playing by the rules, but one gun does it all for me.
I'm partial to the 870. 3 inch chamber with a 28 inch barrel should handle about anything. Also, several barrel options are available for everything else.
After thought- glad we are back to shotguns and finished with rubber bands?
I don't go for none of that new fangled stuff. None of my shotguns run on batteries...
Waterfowl: 12 gauge 3" 1100 LH Magnum, 30" barrel.
Plains and prairie birds: 16 gauge Browning Sweet 16 w/ PowrPac (IC,M,F)
Birds in the brush: 20 gauge Browning SxS, IC & IM
Turkeys: 12 gauge 1100 LH with 26" Rem Choke barrel, and XF turkey choke.
Deer: 12 gauge 1100 LH w/20" slug barrel and rifle sights.
I'm with Spartan88.
I love my .410 side by side for squirrel and other small game. Those little boogers damage little meat and ask for a little stalk with your hunt.
My turkey gun is a Remington SP10 21 in barrel. I use to worry the barrel was too short but several turkey have given a two legs up vote that it works just fine.
My duck gun is a cheap Bakail I won at a DU banquet. I like it because it can sit on the bottom of the boat or in a ground blind without worrying dings and scratches.
If I'm hunting birds in the brush. They are safe regardless of the gun I'm holding.
I once owned the worlds greatest deer slug gun. A Rem 870 LW Wingmaster 20 ga (mid 80's version) with a smooth slug barrel. I only shot one deer with it but I am sure the SOB who stole it has shot many more.
Mine has three. I've never been turkey or duck hunting but would like to go. Maybe I'll need more but I am happy with the current arrangement, what are:
Upland Gun. Weatherby Athena d'Italia sxs, 28"bbl. 12ga.
Deer/upland/(waterfowl/turkey). Remington 870, 12ga., 28"bbl. If I need something longer for ducketc, I'll buy an extra bbl 30".
Utility shotgun. This is a gun I can throw in my truck when I'm camping out on my deer hunt. I can be gone all day hunting with my rifle, and not worry about whether someone decides to take it from my truck. I don't think anyone will steal it but if they do I'm not out much because they cost about $120 new. It's a Stoeger single classic made in Brazil, 12ga, 28" bbl, break-action single. That way I can take a turn around camp after a long hunt looking for rabbit or quail. It's wicked light and makes a pretty good dove gun too, because it shoulders very fast and points very well for a cheap gun.
Biggamecock -- I hope you are happy with your Xtrema2 -- I do believe it is a great waterfowl gun. I don't have one because they cost a lot, and because switching the safety to LH requires buying a whole new trigger group which also costs a lot. By the way, Beretta pulled that quote they used in their catalog from something I wrote and asked my permission to use it. I received nothing in return.
CRM3006 -- The Model 12 safeties don't reverse easily -- you need a left-handed safety button
Nuline guns sells LH safeties for M12s. You can also find the Williams Big Head LH Safety for sale used -- just google it.
I have to throw my vote of confidence in for the Benelli Nova... Just because I love mine!
Mossberg 835 if i could only git one, but to play by the rules,
Waterfowl: Benelli M2 (in process of purchase)
Plains: Stoeger Uplander supreme in 20ga
Brush: Stoeger Coach supreme in 12ga
Turkey: Moss 835 any config exept for slug bbl
Big Game: Moss 500 w/ slug bbl
One way or another, you ought to have an 870 on the list--even if it's just there as a backup for when your "cadilac" shotgun breaks or jams.
I can hunt any bird with my SBE with various lengths and loads of shells. This sucker and the big ammo get heavy for an old geezer like me so I switch off to the little 28 ga SKB O/U if a long day and lots of walking is involved. By the way my friend who has the Connecticut 20 ga S X S got an identical 28 ga made. On our last pheasant hunt, and his first with this gun, he did not miss a single rooster as we both got our limits. Additionally he killed one at about 35 yards and another at just over 40 with the wee 1 oz loads of 6's. Eat your heart out Petzal.
I gotta agree with the smart crowd that says the Mossberg 500 can and will take everything. If I had to carry a second firearm it would be the trusty ole 30-06.
Ishawooa
Welcome back! Long time no post! Happy Myles has been looking for you.
Best regards,
WMH
There is not an animal in North America I could not efficiently hunt with my 870 3.5 supermag. I love mine. Not to mention most self defense experts promote the 12ga as the best all-around. As far as the 3' vs. 3.5' debate, I like how 'Gus McCrea' in 'Lonesome Dove' put it. "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
I thought the 870 WAS the North American shotgun battery. Mine is a 3-1/2 turkey model with a 21 inch barrel and I've used it on deer, turkey, geese, grouse, quail, dove, duck, raccoon, possum, crow, armadillo and blackbirds. It also makes a helluva home defense weapon, although I have not officially tested it in that capacity. It's probably the deadliest gun I've ever owned. It's so deadly that I thought about nicknaming it "Smallpox" instead of "Old Betsy." It reliably shoots 2-3/4, 3 and 3-1/2 inch shells. I accidentally put a 16-gauge shell in it one time and it fired and cycled it even.
Turkey, ducks, geese, skittish pheasants and burglers get my Benelli SBE. Just about everything else Beretta Silver Pidgeon 28 guage. My other shotguns pretty much are safe queens. For deer it's a Mathews Z-7 or Kimber 25-06. The elk gun this fall will be a Mdl 700 Classic in 350 Rem. Mag that my chronograph says gets over 2900 FPS with a Barnes 200 grain TSX bullet and 64 grains of Ramshot TAC. I'm still amazed at that load. Factory 200 grain corelockt ammo is only 2750 fps.
Indeed so. Shotguns have the BOOM and smell of gunpowder! :)
Phil,
numerous printed advertisements have you touting the Beretta Extrema 2......no more? I bought mine because if Phil's name is attached to it, it HAS to be good.
Guess I'll throw in with the more advanced shotgun people who think they only need one shotgun. Having sold my entire gun collection because of whatever reason, I studied What I do and What I need for months. Since I only ever shoot once (who's in a hurry to end the hunt?), I began looking for single barrels for hunting. All the available Winchester '37s are too degraded, and parts are no longer being produced. The NEF's ain't making it for quality. An expert shotgunner proved to me that a 20 gauge is all anybody needs, and there is no need to take that recoil. So, for light weight, balance, easy handling, the total ergonomic package, and the ability to shoot blanks for dawg training, I chose the Benelli Youth Model Nova 20 gauge. I am convinced that it has no peer among pumps at any price. I always get the best. I've owned and shot Parkers and L.C. Smiths and everybody knows how good they are. But for pure functionality and light weight and handleability, Benelli has moved out into their own space.
I agree with the post above. Why do you need a 22LR, 270, or Magnum? Shot gets your birds, rabbits, and squirrels better than the 22. The 20 gauge slugs preform the same as the 12 these days and are perfect for deer, elk, and bear. Load up buckshot and you have yourself a yote or 2 legged varmit gun. From 10 feet to 200 yards the 20 gauge will do it all.
philbourjaily-
Are you aware of any way to reverse the safety on a Model 12 Winchester to be left handed?
Phil, I am happy that you included the 16 gauge in two of your bird-hunting categories!
Ducks and geese: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Upland birds: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Turkey and backup for everything: Remington 870
Trap: S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler
Front door: Stevens 311 20 ga SxS
Waterfowl: 3" Benelli M2. Not only do the 3 inchers kick less, they cost a bunch less too!
Plains and prairie birds: 12gauge, 28" Fausti Style with two triggers.
Birds in the brush: Stevens 20ga SxS, 26" full and modified. It was my gandpa's gun and is quite beat up so when I use it to bat away the pickers, I don't get a nicely finished gun all a scratched up.
Turkeys: Same Benelli M2 but I use a modified choke. I'm not quite sure why, but full choke and the other turkey chokes I've tried throw horrid irregular patterns out of my gun and that modified tied in with #5 Federal Heavyweight loads do some real evil things to a tukey.
Deer: When I used to deer hunt with a shotgun, my Mossberg 500 beat the snot out of me! As well as one friends 870 and anothers 11-87. Since I purposely live where I can hunt with a rifle, that if I had to use a shotgun again, I would use my M2. That comfort Tech stock reduces recoil so well with whatever full power load I put through it, that I'm sure it would do the same on a slug?
Waterfowl-Browning Citori 3.5 inch camo and ported.
Plains- A fine double 12
Brush - A fine double 28
Turkey/Deer/Defense - 3.5 inch 870
Boo and Hiss. Not mentioning a .410 once? Saying the 12 gauge will do it all come on. Yes it will, but what is the fun in using a 12 gauge for everything. Make it a challenge, that is part of the sport. Don't get me wrong 12 gauges are very good guns, but there is nothing a 12 gauge would do that a 16 wont do.
On the other hand, I applaud you for finally making one of these about shotguns. Also SKB 100 20 gauge. I feel like they are the most under appreciated type of shotgun around, and that the shotgun is the most under appreciated type of firearm.
After taking the latter into consideration I do think this deserves a thumbs up.
My current battery:
Duck and Goose: Browning Auto-5 Magnum 12, 3"
Pheasant or Dove: BRNO sxs, 12 gauge, 2 3/4"
Quail or Squirrel: Franchi AL-48, 20 gauge, 2 3/4"
Turkey: Benelli Nova, 12 gauge, 3 1/2"
No real purpose: Stevens bolt-action, 12 gauge, 2 3/4"
Backup for any of above: Remington 870, 12 gauge, 3"
No need for another shotgun (but always looking.)
I'll go with the Mossberg 500 guy
28" VR Barrel for the field & Turkey
20" Smooth bore Slug Barrel for the big guys
Mosssberg Full, X Tra full and Modified chokes do the job.
No need to add any aftermarket chokes to a perfect system
12ga from HE-double hockey sticks!!! Search it and tell me that couldn't take any critter ever. Maybe even work for old T-rex. LOL
But seriously, I can only afford one gun and that will be a Remington 870 super-magnum maybe if I'm lucky it will have 2 barrels. After that some day probably a Benelli semi-auto 12ga, and a 20ga or two for the wife and kids and when I get smart enough to realize you don't need a 12ga for doves and rabbits. And probably a .410 just in case I ever start shooting too well.
Waterfowl: Beretta Xtrema II
Plains: Remington 870 wingmaster
Brush: Remington 870 wingmaster
Turkey: Beretta Xtrema II
Big Game: Browning A-bolt shotgun
And - #6 shot for burglars (you can't put ground beef back together), 12 0r 20, pump.
Dear Phil Bourjaily;
Although we agree wholeheartedly, YOUR FIRED!
Sincerely,
Remington, Savage, Winchester, Kimber & other rifle
companies
Upland - Merkel 147E 20 gauge, violated by adding Briley chokes.
Pheasant/shooting sports - Browning B-25, 12-gauge, again, with screw-in chokes
Turkey and backup - Benelli SBE - that's he older 12 gauge with wood stocks.
Just because I love them - Model 12s with the large corncob fore stocks in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauges.
Over the years, I've owned a good many shotguns for various purposes. A Winchester Mod. 101 in 20 gauge with choke tubes and 26" barells is the best upland game gun I've ever hunted with. I have a Win. 101 in 12 ga. also but would give the nod to the 20 because it is lighter and points faster.
I use a Remington Mod.870 with a 26" Hastings barell and tubes for turkeys. 3" chamber. If I hunted waterfowl I would opt for a 28" or 30" barell with tubes on the 870.
Never have hunted deer with a shotgun so I can't say.
Well there's two catagories; what I would like and what I have. Since I haven't afforded what I would like, this is what I have:
Waterfowl, deer (I am permitted to use buckshot) for close in swamp work, and turkeys - Browning 10 gauge pump stalker with 24" barrel.
Doves and upland birds - Winchester 12 gauge model 1400 semi-auto with 23/4" chambers.
Self defense and everything else - Mossberg 12 gauge pump with 20" rifle sight barrel and police cruiser 8 shot magazine.
I do have a 20 gauge Stevens youth model single shot for my grandkids when they get older.
That about covers it.
My Winchester Model 12, 2&3/4in.,modified choke, has taken all of the game listed without a problem. For waterfowl over open water or fields you rely on calling them within effective range. As I aged I bought and collected many other shotguns for one or two specific purposes, but would shed all but the model 12 if it ever came doen to it. As for a knock around do most anything shotgun, I have a Rossi Overland, 20 ga. with hammers. When the LA sheriff's deputies came into that beer joint with their Rossi doubles and cocked those hammers, the place quieted down fast and the trouble makers decided to go peacefully.
Good choice for the one gun do it all, Phil.
Here are my selections; I would hate to limit myself to one shotgun.
Doves: Harrod's 16 ga. sxs 29" barrels
Rizzini 28 ga. o/u 30" barrels
quail: DeHaan 28 ga. sxs 28" barrels
pheasant: Fabarm 12 ga. sxs 30" barrels
Ducks: A.H. Fox 12 ga. sxs 30" barrels
Turkey: Zoli combination gun 12 ga. over .222 Remington
26" barrels, flip up sight.(I hate those toms
that stop and stare from 60-80 yds.)
Shotguns are pretty much useless for deer in the Texas
Panhandle, but for creek bottom hunting the Zoli turkey gun would do nicely.
Mock1-
Sorry I don't have a link, but googol Briley in Houston, TX. They can do it if it can be done.
Ishawooa, Great to see you back my friend. Now how about some of those good campfire stories you always have?
Thanks guys, my wife's bad back (7 surgeries in 10 years and she's ten years younger than me) has been experiencing problems. Additionally my oldest daughter (26 years) put herself in alcohol rehab. My extra time has been limited for the last few months. I'll have to tell you all about my friend's trip to Mozambique, 29 animals including 2 cape buffalo, a leopard, a hippo, and all sorts of buks, boks, and whatever.
ishawooa;
I'm an alcoholic, also.
Do not give up on her.
its not a daily thang, it's hourly.
give her lots of tough love and she's in my prayers.
I have never shot sabot slugs through my Remington barrel, (not rifled), so I can't comment on them. However, it will shoot 2" or 2 1/2" groups with plain old conventional slugs at 100 yds. I can only suppose that a rifled barrel would improve on this. Why not just shoot conventional slugs? I would prefer to use a rifle on deer at any distance, but some areas that I might hunt have that pesky "shotgun only" rule.
So many excellent shotguns. I really enjoy the 20 finding it handles most of my work quiet well and the shells and gun aren't bulky. Last fall Gander Mountain had a very nice A-5 3" 20 Belgium w/two barrels that came home with me. Earlier in the year I found a Mod 12 Heavy Duck Gun in very nice shape and it came home with me. But what has proven good is a Browning Gold Hunter 12 w/26" I love it. The other is a CZ import Huglu 20 auto with 26" barrel. These last two have shot birds with ease. My Mossberg is for sale at the barber/gun shop. It is a 12 w/26" barrel. By the way the CZ knocked over a 10 point buck w/o any problem last fall.
Following are my go-to guns however, I like a little variety so I change things up often.
Waterfowl: 12 gauge 3 1/2" Bakail mp133, 26" barrel.(choke tube to be determined for conditions)
Plains and prairie birds: I don't know what that's about, there are so few pheasants in Michigan I don't bother them.
Birds in the brush: 12 gauge Ithaca 37 deerslayer 20" smoothbore slug barrel.( although I use to shoot more partridge with my savage .22/.410 over/under as a kid than today )
Turkeys: 12 gauge 3 1/2" Bakail mp133, 26" barrel full choke tube
Deer: 12 gauge Ithaca 37 deerslayer 20" smoothbore slug barrel. red dot sight
Nice thread. My battery consists of an 12 ga. 870 Express Magnum for waterfowl and deer with appropriate barrels. Either a nice Fox BSE 20 ga. 25 in barreled sxs in imp. cyl. and mod. or an heirloom J. Stevens Mod. 335 sxs in 16 ga. with full or more full choked 28 in. barrels for plain or brush. I have an 12 ga. 870 Wingmaster for those occasions needing a really nice looking gun and a "home defense" version for those occasions I'd rather never see.
For ducks my go to gun is my SX2, grouse and pheasants Wingmaster 20 gauge trap my Model 12 pigeoin grade and if I can ever make up my mind I want to get a 410.
Every body forgot "home protection".
Thanks for asking Phil. I've always been partial to the 12 gauge when it comes to shotguns. This may change as I get older. My stockpile:
Waterfowl: Benelli SBE II in max-4
Pheasant/Quail: Beretta Silver Pigeon
Dove: Franchi I-12 in wood
Turkey: Remington 870 express
Deer: Ruger M77 30.06
I'm at a point of being content with this bunch, None have let me down.
Home protection: Rossi 3" 12ga 20" barrel double hammer coachgun 00 buck. I've also used it for grouse but with 7 1/2 shot. Load the double barrel Ma!
I second dale, forget a Home Defense shotgun, anything that can kill a deer can also kill a burglar.
I'm with the one gun side, a smoothbore, pump, anything reliable that shoots 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells, for deer load I would carry (used to live in NJ, shotgun only hunting there) a Rottweil Brenekee Slug backed up by 3 inch OOO Buckshot. Figure the first shot can be aimed and then pump out the rest as fast as I can if it doesn't go down!
BTW, a 12 Gauge, forgot to say that......
Easy. Waterfowl, SBE LH 3.5 mag. Gotta have a mag! Deer 870 12 gauge with a Nikon and fully rifled barrel. my Dad bought it for me for my 8th grade Graduation in 78. woods and upland Ruger Red label 12. For fun on bunnies, Lefeever 12 Side by side or 870 .410 with full choke. Can I get this .410 smithed to accept choke tubes? Does anyone know?
By the way from my previous post regarding the 28 ga don't in any way consider than I prefer it to a 20ga. The latter weighs about the same as the former, shells are cheaper and easier to find, and the 20 most likely produces better patterns. Its just that I've owned the 28 for almost 3 decades plus the cute little shells astound new hunting buddies when I fold up a big rooster that they missed with their twelve. In reality I don't recommend that you go out and buy one. Of course Petzal would own a couple if D'Arcy ever decided to chamber a Legend in that gauge.
deer 12ga 870 fully rifled
turkey rem. rem 887 3"
waterfowl rem 105 cti2 3"
birds in brush 11-87 2 3/4"
prairie and plains rem 1100 2 3/4"
got to go with remington
Thanks Dale F as our thoughts and prayers are with you as well.
Hey Phil,
How's that Ruger Gold Label handle in the field? I have yet to see one in the stores in my part of town, for I have only seen them in catalogs!
I live in suburban Detroit, and have access to many sports stores, seen many a RED label guns, but never a GOLD label!
I currently use an O/U turkish mage Hulu; well made, but looking into the S/S Ruger with 26inch barrels for my field/bird gun.
My first gun ever was a cheap Rossi 12. I used it on rabbits for a few years and I loved it. A year ago I started turkey hunting and needed something with choke tubes. I splurged and got a combo 870 20 gauge with a rifled barrel and a field barrel. I have done a lot of reading about turkey guns and I was a little leery about being under gunned for turkey. I was pleasantly surprised that, even at 34-40 yards, the 20 killed that turkey as dead as dead gets.
I WOULD have to rant a little now about using a shotgun for a deer rifle. I was pretty excited to used this gun as my brush gun, until I tried to actually buy ammo for it. Because it is rifled, I need to use sabot ammo with it. Has anyone else been mortified by the price of sabot rifled slugs?? At 14 dollars for five rounds (ON SALE), it is roughly 3 dollars a round. Some brands went up as high as 5 dollars a round. That is 5 dollars for a single round or ammo! I can by 50bmg ammo for that. At that price it took me almost the price of the gun just to get the feel for the thing. Especially because at that price I wanted to make sure I had the right set up. I wanted my nephew to try this gun for his first year of hunting but when it came time to let him try it out I could feel the dollar bills falling out of my pocket as he missed the target. I couldn't take it. I will keep the 10 rounds I have left as a reminder of what they look like but they are going in my museum and I will continue to use my 30-06 which, by the way, I can get ammo for around 50 cents a round when it goes on sale. So I can take my 06 to the range and shoot it 6 to 10 times for every single shot of the shot gun. If I ever want to hunt in a shotgun only area I will use my muzzleloader instead or my handgun instead.
Gitz: you don't have to use sabot, copper, or any other "special" slug for a rifled 12 ga. My son and son-in-law - 870 mag/ mossberg 835 - both shoot remmington sluggers, accurate and deadly. Sure ya gotta clean the barrel once and awhile but I have not seen any great amount of lead fouling. Remember those slugs are only traveling at about 1500 fps
browning A-5 3" for ducks and geese,also is a back up for my 1300..never know when a gun has to go to the shop for repairs..had this happen once during turkey season
winchester 1300 for turkeys and deer, patternmaster choke tube...gives nice tight patterns for buckshot and #5's. kicks like a mule though. this gun was a 1st generation nwtf gun with the pickle laminated stock.
remington 1100 23/4" for dove, crows, quail, and rabbits
have 2 barrels for this gun 28" mod and 26" ic
My Ideal 5 gun shotgun battery- Some of these guns I have but some I don't.
Waterfowl- Browning BPS 10 GA with a wood stock matte blue finish and 30 inch barrel with choke tubes as I see more geese than ducks.
Plains/Prarie birds- Remington 870 express 12 ga. with 28 inch barrel with matte blue finish with chokes tubes.(back up waterfowl gun)
Forrest birds-Ithaca 37 20 ga with a 26 inch barrel with choke tubes.(back up plains gun)
Turkey-Not a turkey hunter but I would pick a remington 870 supermag with a good load and choke combo with fiber optic rifle sights. (can also be used as a back up deer and HD gun with a choke tube change)
Deer-Ithaca 37 20 ga with a deer slayer barrel and rifle sights. Just shoot old school foster style 3 in. mags that group well and set your stand or blind up for a reasonable shot. A slug gun is not a rifle; it never has been and never will be. However it is very effective if you know its limits and can shoot it accurately.
Ralph -- I should do a post on the Gold Label. Short version is, Ruger doesn't make them anymore and at the price the used guns fetch, you can buy something better.
Can anyone help me ?
Does the .223 fmj, start tumbling on contact ?
Can someone help mr ?
Does the .223 fmj, start tumbling on impact ?
yep im a big shotgun fan...but im partial to pumps by far and away my favorite... as of right now ive got 3 single shots 2 semi autos 1 double 1 lever action and 5 pumps my favorite would either be the mosberg 500 in 12 guage or the ithica in 20 gauge... just depends on the situation i guess
both that i mention specifically are pumps lol
-Browning Gold 10 ga 26" barrel Pattermaster chokes
-SBE 2 LH 28" barrel Patternmaster chokes
-Browning BPS 12 ga 3.5" 26" barrell Patternmaster chokes= Backup
-Browning BPS 16 ga Upland 26" barrel mod
-Browning 425 20 ga 26" barrel ic/mod
-Tar Hunt lh 870 12 ga dedicated slug gun
As a lefty I've been thru more than a few shotguns before finding the right ones that fit, point and aren't boat anchors. The Gold 10ga points like a 12 and kills like a punt gun, geese hate it and it's 1+lbs lighter than the remington sp10. I'm on my second SBE, it's lite, it's lefty and it's your only choice if you want a left handed auto that fires all the time, everytime. It's a perfect goose/duck combo hunt gun.
The BPS is a solid back up, I never leave the house w/ just one gun, super slick action and has a slug barrel. The 16 ga BPS is a fine upland hunter and points great, can't find a decent px'd 16 ga o/u that feels as good as the 425 20 ga.I won't drag a 12ga around the field/woods all day and the 16ga has never killed pheasants/chukar etc any less dead than the 12's and i have a mess of brenneke slugs for the odd hog or coyote. The Browning 425 20 ga feels like it was custom made for me and it's as civilized a firearm as i ever want to own, I wouldn't sell or trade it for a brace of Holland & Holland's. After tracking my last buckshot shot whitetail for longer than I care to admit I went home and ordered a Tar Hunt 870....we'll see. I've owned mossberg's, nova's,870's, 1100's, Franchis o/u and semi, 3 model 12's 2x12ga 1x 16ga, all gone now with now regrets. anyway what fun is it to own one gun that does it all? I mean how many types of wrenches do you own? Find the rite tool for each individual job.
Mine has three. I've never been turkey or duck hunting but would like to go. Maybe I'll need more but I am happy with the current arrangement, منتديات مسجات what are Upland Gun. Weatherby Athena d'Italia sxs, 28"bbl. 12ga.
Deer/upland/(waterfowl/turkey). Remington 870, 12ga., 28"bbl. If I need something longer for ducketc, I'll buy an extra bbl 30". وسائط توبيكات Utility shotgun. This is a gun I can throw in my truck when I'm camping out on my deer hunt. I can be gone all day hunting with my rifle, and not worry about whether someone decides to take it from my truck. I don't think anyone will steal it but if they do I'm not out much because they cost about $120 new. It's a Stoeger single classic made in Brazil, 12ga, 28" bbl, break-action single. ماسنجر That way I can take a turn around camp after a long hunt looking for rabbit or quail. It's wicked light and makes a pretty good dove gun too, because it shoulders very fast and points very well for a cheap gun.
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