


May 19, 2010
Hurteau: When Is Composting Baiting?
By Dave Hurteau

Have you noticed the sudden composting craze among Wisconsin deer hunters. No, not yet? Well it can’t be far off. Before the summer is over, hunters all across The Badger State will be heard saying, “Yeah, I’m really into composting. I’ve got six, seven piles. It’s so, you know…responsible…and everything. . ..”
From Fox News:
A state appeals court says a farmer was within his rights when he hunted deer over a compost pile.
In November 2008 a Department of Natural Resources warden discovered [Hayward farmer Gary W.] Blinkwolt bow hunting from the stand over piles of corn, squash and shattered pumpkins. Blinkwolt said he was composting and couldn't till the area because his tractor was broken. The warden still cited him for illegally baiting.
A circuit court judge found him not guilty, calling the compost pile a reasonable agricultural practice.
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The plot has now thickened on the hazy "What defines baiting?" question.
I don't think you have heard the last of the story.
I might have to get one of these "compost" piles...
Umm if you put punkin and squash seeds in yer compost, you are gonna get punkins and squash in time, so no that ain't composting, that is food plot planting. Call it what it is.
Can you imagine if all states banned baiting, food plots and(only in WIS-CON-SIN)compost piles how many "hunters" would be crying and whineing because they actually didn't know how to hunt???
In Iowa we can not bait, but you can grow corn/beans and leave it for the deer, but you cant move it or pick it and dump it in one place. This guy being a producer of sweet corn, squash and pumpkins would have a ton of not sale quality crops and when the first freeze hits everything on the vine is ruined, so they have alot of stuff to compost. If its left on the plant still I would think hes fine, but if he piles the crops in front of his bowstand, that to me seems to be baiting. But if there is a composting area used every year, can you hunt near it?
Walt- you dont ever hunt food sources? You must be one of those guys thats always "scouting" through the bedding areas trying to figure out a buck that you just chased into the next county.
There are places like Texas where seeing deer in daylight often requires bait. Now seeing deer go to a timed feeder like a Pavloian experiment is just rediculous. Anyway, in the upper midwest, baiting (especially near livestock)is like opening the backdoor for CWD and TB. That's why it's frowned on. There's always going to be a gathering of cervadids near beet piles and other agricultural waste. This won't be going away anytime soon.
Correct me if im wrong but this is a pretty established practice of getting rid of bad crops. The animals are as used to at as they are used to it being planted and coming up in the summer and spring. Granted this is the same as baiting and getting animals used to bait piles being in the same places every year. The only thing i can relate it to soundly is raking all my acorns up from my yard and putting them under my stand. I m sure some new law will be passed to stop the hunting within so many yards of a compost pile. Hell its wisconsin we love our deer hunting and will test every limit of the ethics of it seems.
Interesting. Hard to say whether this was honest composting or a clever loop-hole.
Steve182,
Very true. How are they gonna know what your real intentions are? Maybe it's truly just an honest compost pile or maybe it's only purpose is to hunt over.
If he was baiting/composting on his OWN land why does the Wisconsin DNR even care or have any say! Wisconsin's Government = joke! Why I moved -Go North Dakota!(where people tend to worry about themselves!)
(And I can carry a concealed weapon... jealous Wisconsinites?)
North Dakota is simple: no baiting on public land (ND Law Attached below)
Hunting Big Game Over Bait (North Dakota Law)
Hunting big game over bait on Department wildlife management areas is prohibited. Hunting over bait is defined as the placement and/or use of bait(s) for attracting big game and other wildlife to a specific location for the purpose of hunting. Baits include but are not limited to grains, minerals, salts, fruits, vegetables, hay or any other natural or manufactured foods. The designation does not apply to the use of scents and lures, water, food plots, standing crops or livestock feeds being used in standard practices. Hunting over bait is also not allowed on all U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service national wildlife refuges and waterfowl production areas; U.S. Forest Service national grasslands; and all North Dakota state school, state park and state forest service lands.
With all that seem to be in question.Baiting composting Trailcameras. Will food plots be next? Seems to me alot of people are going to be hunting the old fashion way.stump sitting an sneaking through the woods.
Sounds to me like just another way for the state officials to dictate what we do and when and where we can do it the free world is slowly inching away and there aint a whole hell of alot we can do about it just my opinion
I know the farmer in question. He also happens to be an employee of the DNR. I also know the warden involved. She has a huge chip on her shoulder when it comes to certain people. The farmer took his crop to the farmers market to sell over a period of weeks. What wasn't sold, and there was no corn involved to my knowledge, just pumpkins and GORDS not squash, he brought the leftovers back and tossed them in the field to be tilled under with fall prep. There were also numerous small, unsellable pumpkins scattered throughout this 10 acre field, still on the vines. He was cited for baiting even though the number of throwbacks was considerably less than the number left in the field.
It will surprise me if they let the warden push it through to the state Supreme court. It's a chronic waste of time and money, when she should be pursuing legitimate poachers and violators which run rampant in Iron COunty.
I'm sorry Hayward County.
Edstoresit- thanks for the info. I sure would not call that a compost pile or illegal baiting. I dont know about the deer in Wisconsin, but you would not see many deer around here feeding on old pumpkins and gords.My kids pet pig wont even eat them.
Skycop,
I definatly hear ya on that one. It feels good in ND knowing that people don't hunt over bait (and I use the word 'hunting' lightly, because doing it over bait is not 'hunting). The ND law should be a prerequisite for other states.
Hank111,
there is a difference between "hunting over food sources" and sitting in stand waiting for a deer to come to the exact spot you baited it too.
Nate
I happen to know a wee bit about composting agricultural materials. In order for the "pile" of mixed commodities to actually be a compost pile it must be turned periodically. It will also contain other materials like manure (nitrogen and microbe source) to assure the proper carbon to nitrogen ratio for effective composting. As depicted in your photo, steam will rise as the pile heats up internally from the action of microbes breaking down the organinc components. If properly turned and maintained seeds will be heated and sterilized and the odor from the plie will be relatively pleasant. If not maintained properly it will become a festering heap, a sure a sign of a "bait" pile as anything...
Yeah, like you guys/gals in other states don't hunt over bait right? What about those nifty timed feeders? Wisconsin law says 5 gallons of "bait" per 40 acres owned. I am a WI resident and think this is a little sketchy. Most compost "piles" are usually fenced or boxed in and would be near a home. Having grown up on a farm, I can't understand the need to throw all of your excess garden vegetables under your deer stand and then expect people to think you aren't baiting. DUH....
Nate- I agree
With the modern arms of today a "food plot" is no more sporting than a "bait pile". They both tempt all deer in the area into coming to the hunter. Food plots are no more than a bait pile that covers several acres. By food plots I mean the small (1/2 acre to 5 acres) areas that have been planted for the specific purpose to attract deer and not to be harvested for profit.If farmers are allowed to plant these then bait piles should be legal too.
As far as CWD and other diseases supposedly caused by bait piles that is a false statement. In Michigan, where baiting has gone on for years, the only case reported was on a DEER FARM! How can you spread a disease that does not exist in the wild herd? Banning baiting was a political move and a bad one at that. It has cost our state millions in revenue and put farmers out of work.
The difference is when the baitpile is gone, more is poured out in the same spot, increasing the chances of spreading parasites, cwd and a list of other things. When what is grown in a food plot is ate, thats it. A tiny food plot, if there are many deer at all, will be eaten and gone, before hunting even begins.A good food plot program will have many different fields of various sizes some planted in clovers, others in brassicas, cerial grains, corn and soybeans, provideing the deer with quaility feed for all times of the year.When hunting a farm like mine the first thing to determine is what they are prefering at the time.
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The plot has now thickened on the hazy "What defines baiting?" question.
I might have to get one of these "compost" piles...
Interesting. Hard to say whether this was honest composting or a clever loop-hole.
If he was baiting/composting on his OWN land why does the Wisconsin DNR even care or have any say! Wisconsin's Government = joke! Why I moved -Go North Dakota!(where people tend to worry about themselves!)
(And I can carry a concealed weapon... jealous Wisconsinites?)
North Dakota is simple: no baiting on public land (ND Law Attached below)
Hunting Big Game Over Bait (North Dakota Law)
Hunting big game over bait on Department wildlife management areas is prohibited. Hunting over bait is defined as the placement and/or use of bait(s) for attracting big game and other wildlife to a specific location for the purpose of hunting. Baits include but are not limited to grains, minerals, salts, fruits, vegetables, hay or any other natural or manufactured foods. The designation does not apply to the use of scents and lures, water, food plots, standing crops or livestock feeds being used in standard practices. Hunting over bait is also not allowed on all U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service national wildlife refuges and waterfowl production areas; U.S. Forest Service national grasslands; and all North Dakota state school, state park and state forest service lands.
Sounds to me like just another way for the state officials to dictate what we do and when and where we can do it the free world is slowly inching away and there aint a whole hell of alot we can do about it just my opinion
I know the farmer in question. He also happens to be an employee of the DNR. I also know the warden involved. She has a huge chip on her shoulder when it comes to certain people. The farmer took his crop to the farmers market to sell over a period of weeks. What wasn't sold, and there was no corn involved to my knowledge, just pumpkins and GORDS not squash, he brought the leftovers back and tossed them in the field to be tilled under with fall prep. There were also numerous small, unsellable pumpkins scattered throughout this 10 acre field, still on the vines. He was cited for baiting even though the number of throwbacks was considerably less than the number left in the field.
It will surprise me if they let the warden push it through to the state Supreme court. It's a chronic waste of time and money, when she should be pursuing legitimate poachers and violators which run rampant in Iron COunty.
With the modern arms of today a "food plot" is no more sporting than a "bait pile". They both tempt all deer in the area into coming to the hunter. Food plots are no more than a bait pile that covers several acres. By food plots I mean the small (1/2 acre to 5 acres) areas that have been planted for the specific purpose to attract deer and not to be harvested for profit.If farmers are allowed to plant these then bait piles should be legal too.
As far as CWD and other diseases supposedly caused by bait piles that is a false statement. In Michigan, where baiting has gone on for years, the only case reported was on a DEER FARM! How can you spread a disease that does not exist in the wild herd? Banning baiting was a political move and a bad one at that. It has cost our state millions in revenue and put farmers out of work.
I don't think you have heard the last of the story.
Umm if you put punkin and squash seeds in yer compost, you are gonna get punkins and squash in time, so no that ain't composting, that is food plot planting. Call it what it is.
In Iowa we can not bait, but you can grow corn/beans and leave it for the deer, but you cant move it or pick it and dump it in one place. This guy being a producer of sweet corn, squash and pumpkins would have a ton of not sale quality crops and when the first freeze hits everything on the vine is ruined, so they have alot of stuff to compost. If its left on the plant still I would think hes fine, but if he piles the crops in front of his bowstand, that to me seems to be baiting. But if there is a composting area used every year, can you hunt near it?
Walt- you dont ever hunt food sources? You must be one of those guys thats always "scouting" through the bedding areas trying to figure out a buck that you just chased into the next county.
There are places like Texas where seeing deer in daylight often requires bait. Now seeing deer go to a timed feeder like a Pavloian experiment is just rediculous. Anyway, in the upper midwest, baiting (especially near livestock)is like opening the backdoor for CWD and TB. That's why it's frowned on. There's always going to be a gathering of cervadids near beet piles and other agricultural waste. This won't be going away anytime soon.
Correct me if im wrong but this is a pretty established practice of getting rid of bad crops. The animals are as used to at as they are used to it being planted and coming up in the summer and spring. Granted this is the same as baiting and getting animals used to bait piles being in the same places every year. The only thing i can relate it to soundly is raking all my acorns up from my yard and putting them under my stand. I m sure some new law will be passed to stop the hunting within so many yards of a compost pile. Hell its wisconsin we love our deer hunting and will test every limit of the ethics of it seems.
Steve182,
Very true. How are they gonna know what your real intentions are? Maybe it's truly just an honest compost pile or maybe it's only purpose is to hunt over.
With all that seem to be in question.Baiting composting Trailcameras. Will food plots be next? Seems to me alot of people are going to be hunting the old fashion way.stump sitting an sneaking through the woods.
I happen to know a wee bit about composting agricultural materials. In order for the "pile" of mixed commodities to actually be a compost pile it must be turned periodically. It will also contain other materials like manure (nitrogen and microbe source) to assure the proper carbon to nitrogen ratio for effective composting. As depicted in your photo, steam will rise as the pile heats up internally from the action of microbes breaking down the organinc components. If properly turned and maintained seeds will be heated and sterilized and the odor from the plie will be relatively pleasant. If not maintained properly it will become a festering heap, a sure a sign of a "bait" pile as anything...
Yeah, like you guys/gals in other states don't hunt over bait right? What about those nifty timed feeders? Wisconsin law says 5 gallons of "bait" per 40 acres owned. I am a WI resident and think this is a little sketchy. Most compost "piles" are usually fenced or boxed in and would be near a home. Having grown up on a farm, I can't understand the need to throw all of your excess garden vegetables under your deer stand and then expect people to think you aren't baiting. DUH....
Can you imagine if all states banned baiting, food plots and(only in WIS-CON-SIN)compost piles how many "hunters" would be crying and whineing because they actually didn't know how to hunt???
I'm sorry Hayward County.
Edstoresit- thanks for the info. I sure would not call that a compost pile or illegal baiting. I dont know about the deer in Wisconsin, but you would not see many deer around here feeding on old pumpkins and gords.My kids pet pig wont even eat them.
Skycop,
I definatly hear ya on that one. It feels good in ND knowing that people don't hunt over bait (and I use the word 'hunting' lightly, because doing it over bait is not 'hunting). The ND law should be a prerequisite for other states.
Hank111,
there is a difference between "hunting over food sources" and sitting in stand waiting for a deer to come to the exact spot you baited it too.
Nate
Nate- I agree
The difference is when the baitpile is gone, more is poured out in the same spot, increasing the chances of spreading parasites, cwd and a list of other things. When what is grown in a food plot is ate, thats it. A tiny food plot, if there are many deer at all, will be eaten and gone, before hunting even begins.A good food plot program will have many different fields of various sizes some planted in clovers, others in brassicas, cerial grains, corn and soybeans, provideing the deer with quaility feed for all times of the year.When hunting a farm like mine the first thing to determine is what they are prefering at the time.
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