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June 10, 2010

Do You Trust Your Gun Dog Around Kids?

By David DiBenedetto

As best I can tell, Pritch loves kids. When we pass a gang of school children crossing the street she sits down and awaits head pats. On the beach, she’s fascinated by kids, often showing more interest in them than other dogs. When friends bring their children over, Pritch is the darling of the get-together. But a recent newspaper article out of Montreal got me thinking about kids and dogs. In the piece a Vet, Amanda Glew, recalls a conference she attended:

The conference topic: Would you leave a child alone with your family dog?

About 80 percent of the veterinarians in attendance raised their hands to signal that they would. Then, Glew said, they were treated to a slide show with more than 100 horrific images, the human carnage from dog bites and maulings.

Many of the dogs had belonged to veterinarians and veterinary technicians.

"It was a visual 'oh my God' moment," Glew, a veterinarian at the Hudson Veterinary Hospital who also teaches at Vanier College, said yesterday.

"I think I had let my own guard down," she said, adding that she altered her behaviour after that conference, crating her dogs rather than leaving them unsupervised in the presence of her own children. Even for a few brief moments.

The piece goes on to discuss how children don’t grasp the fact that some of their actions might incite aggression from the family dog. Nor can they read the signs of a dog that has become agitated (posture, hair standing on the back of the neck, etc). All true.

My wife and I haven’t entered the baby game yet, so I don’t have any personal experience in this realm. But I certainly have friends who leave their children unsupervised with their dogs. And most would be appalled by the notion that their dog would cause harm to the kids. It seems to me that, as parents and dog owners, we’re just as responsible for teaching our dog how to behave around children as we are for teaching our children how to behave around the dog. And then the rest boils down to common sense.

So I’m curious, do you or have you left your kids unsupervised with your dogs?

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from Jason K wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I have witnessed on many occation my GSP mauled by a gagal of toddlers. Ear twisting, tail pulling, and of course head patting. Unless they are furry/feathery, they have nothing to fear.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I've had dogs that range from terrier/lab mixes to my current pair of mismatched hounds. None of them ever looked at a kid sideways past thier puppy years. At the same point, what's unsupervised? I wouldn't leave my 2 year old alone with my beagle becuase he likes to chase him with large trucks/toy shopping carts and such. The dog runs and I stop it, but if he cornered the dog and really put it in a position where it was getting hurt, who knows? My 3 kids alone with the dogs, sure. The toddler by himself for more than a moment or two out of earshot, not so much. Dogs are great animals, and I love them being there to help me keep an eye on my brood, but put a hurting on or scare them and they're still animals. At the same time every dog I've ever owned has been bodyslammed by small kids at one time or another, most were tolerant, some loved it. My second daughter used to nap with her head on the terrier/lab. I think the big thing is to know your dog and be honest with yourself about what you have. Too many people blindly have faith in their animals.. and their kids for that matter.

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from SD Bob wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My golden retriever can absolutely not be in the presence of young children. If they are around, I lock her in my bedroom. My Labrador on the other hand I completely trust!

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Little girl next door got bit in the face 2 days ago. Five years old, red head, cute as a button. Loose dog.

No one's dog ever bites, except for the 1000 emergency room visits per day. 77% of dog bites are to freind or family of the dog owner.

"When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%)."

http://dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Childrenfrequentvictims

The responsibility lies neither with the dog nor the children but rather with the owner.

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from Blue Ox wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My little boy will be 2 years old come August. His best friend is my 200lb. mastiff. (Ok, so he's not a gun-dog) but the concept here is the same. Do I trust my boy? Yes. Do I trust my dog? Absolutely. Do I leave them alone together? Hell no! My mastiff may be a big lovesponge but as jcarlin said- he's still an animal.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I agree with rock rat. My oldest granddaughter was doing nothing with the dog (toy poodle) when the dog walked over and bit her in the face bad enough to draw blood. The dog was part of the family and we think jealous of the attention the new baby gets. The dog was moved to My daughter's in-laws house and is not allowed around the baby anymore.

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from squirrelgirl wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I don't really have gun dogs per se but this past weekend at the lake someones black lab growled at my 3 yo daughter. the owner laughed and said she just wanted to "play". I wasn't laughing. dogs and kids always need to be watched. even if they are harmless a wagging tail can bust a lip open and a playful paw can draw blood. i'd rather be overly cautious than sorry

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from MLH wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Certain dogs, yes. Others, no. But unintentional reaction bites can happen, especially with high strung dogs.

Have to tell you a bit more about my old Newfy again. I went to the Detroit Dog Show, biggest in the world, trying to find a dog that would be great with kids. A half dozen neighbor kids were always in and out of my house and yard - I think their parents sent them over to get them out of their hair. The Newfies caught my eye because kids were cuddling up to and crawling all over them (75 Newfies were at the show). The dogs all seemed to love it. That made up my mind.

Not sure if I told this story before - A neighbor brought her newborn over and laid her on a blanket in the drive. Beau, all 175 pounds of him, came bounding around the house and spotted the baby. He ran over, stopped about a few feet away, got down on his belly and crawled toward the baby. When he got a couple of feet away he rolled over on his side, and with his head down on the blanket pulled himself up to the baby, then licked her toes. Everyone was a stunned. The mom cried. I trusted him, and so did others, alone with many kids.

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from muddman wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Could I leave kids with my dogs? Yes. Would I leave kids with my dogs? No. Both my Boxer and my Boykin love kids but I wouldnt leave young kids along without the dogs being there. Kids shouldnt be left alone at young ages regardless of the nanny being a dog. Older kids would have nothing to worry about with my dogs and if they can be trusted to stay home alone I wouldnt have a problem with it.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

The question is about gun dogs, not cockers or chihauhau or poodles. Case studies show these three breeds will bite children.

I will not trust my labs, as kind and obedient as they are, alone with kids. Maybe you sense what I'm about to say. When I'm gone, the authority in their lives leaves when I leave the room. That certain connection is gone. There is a noticeable change, have you seen it, or been told about it from someone close within the family structure?

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from whitetailkjf wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

when i was 3 i put a pencil in my dogs behind and all he did was whimper. he could never have hurt me he slept under my crib never left my side

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from whitetailkjf wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

oh and he was a 120 LB lab

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from kelmitch wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

The children are celebrating the last days of school here in NY.My 15yr. old had a friend stay over last night as Magnum would say if he could talk please pet me.We are all happy especially Magnum and pets from new friends.Of course he would say to me lets hunt!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My Lab is fine with little kids. Once they start looking like gangbangers in a Walmart parking lot, the game changes. He has tried to bite a couple of adults who were shifty loking characters anyway.

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from bj264 wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My boys are 13 adn 11. I have no problem leaving them with my Boykin. Both my boys actually help me with the training of the Boykin, so they know the commands and what is expected or allowed with the dog. If the kids are old enough I think it is important that they understand the ground rules that go along with the dog.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I think bj264 sums it up nicely. You have to know the dogs and the children or there is no possible basis for that trust. My example of my soon to be 3 year old who is being taught better, but he's also still at an unpredictable stage in life. I was horrified 6 years ago when one of the neighborhood kids and mother came to the door and the 8 year old child grabbed my 10 month old wiemer/lab by both ears and pulled it's face into hers. (miss that dog, my only loss to a car). Dog handled it well. I quickly intervened then looked at the child and her mother "what happened to her face?" as I then noticed the transparent tape and stitches. "My brother's shepherd mauled her on Saturday. We've known that dog for years, no explaining it." That kid was never right, and I didn't particularly like my daughter associating with her, but the mother, who'd just spent a day in the emergency room while her child recieved what I believe was something like 60 sutures from scalp to jaw on both sides of face, and then watched as her daughter pulled the same stunt obviously wasn't all there either. I trust my dogs if treated as we all are aware they should be or I wouldn't own them. I don't trust people, and that includes my own toddler, who's just beginning to pass "smart dog" intelligence himself.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I'm laughing at myself now for stating that someone's 4 line post sums up the issue, then feelign the need to add my own novel to support.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

my lab has never gotten aggressive with kids but will warn unknown adults when they come around. regardless of the animal, you just have to be careful.

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from MNHunter wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I am new to the parenting game in a 2 dog (lab/pointer mix and lab/boxer mix)house. Both have been fine around the baby although the lab/boxer is much more accepting of her crawling all over him.

That being said when he is also slightly shy around people he does not know and I do not let kids I do not know pet him. I don't want to have some kid who is standing eye to eye with him do something to scare him and incite an reaction. In a public situation with toddlers or young kids, they can to pet the pointer but I stay between them and the boxer.

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from TFrymyer31 wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I think that my dog is the best baby sitter in the world. He will run around the back yard with the kids for hours and then lay down with them a take nap.

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from DanKur wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My two Brittany's are fine around kids. But as soon as they start running around yelling, they bark at them and go in a different room.

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from Robert Ewing wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Gone are the days where you could bring a unaltered puppy to a school or daycare to socialize a puppy and educate the childeren.
As to the question,I don't trust any child around a good dog.Especially redheaded childeren with orange and white Brittanys.Either one will forget who is playing with who.

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from mdrewhall wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I wouldn't leave my dog around any kids because they are so damn aggravating - he wouldn't leave me with them I know. My neighbor told me just the other day that my dog minded better than his kids, and it's true.

www.OutdoorWriter.net

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from duckranger wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My parents had a rot when I was younger. She was VERY well bred, and trained. She won several obedience trials in the lowcountry when she was just 6 months old. I used to beat her in the head with a hammer until she tired of it. Then she would take the hammer from me and hide it giving her a few minutes respite. On a side note, she was a great retriever except she mangled most of the doves she brought back.

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from tpifher wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

My setter was in the living room with my 18 mos. old grandaughter when I heard her trouble giggle, I went to check & she had one of his eyelids turned inside out and was walking him by his bottom lip. Yup I trust him.

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from grant77 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

My dog is fine around children.

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from Jason K wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I have witnessed on many occation my GSP mauled by a gagal of toddlers. Ear twisting, tail pulling, and of course head patting. Unless they are furry/feathery, they have nothing to fear.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I've had dogs that range from terrier/lab mixes to my current pair of mismatched hounds. None of them ever looked at a kid sideways past thier puppy years. At the same point, what's unsupervised? I wouldn't leave my 2 year old alone with my beagle becuase he likes to chase him with large trucks/toy shopping carts and such. The dog runs and I stop it, but if he cornered the dog and really put it in a position where it was getting hurt, who knows? My 3 kids alone with the dogs, sure. The toddler by himself for more than a moment or two out of earshot, not so much. Dogs are great animals, and I love them being there to help me keep an eye on my brood, but put a hurting on or scare them and they're still animals. At the same time every dog I've ever owned has been bodyslammed by small kids at one time or another, most were tolerant, some loved it. My second daughter used to nap with her head on the terrier/lab. I think the big thing is to know your dog and be honest with yourself about what you have. Too many people blindly have faith in their animals.. and their kids for that matter.

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from SD Bob wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My golden retriever can absolutely not be in the presence of young children. If they are around, I lock her in my bedroom. My Labrador on the other hand I completely trust!

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Little girl next door got bit in the face 2 days ago. Five years old, red head, cute as a button. Loose dog.

No one's dog ever bites, except for the 1000 emergency room visits per day. 77% of dog bites are to freind or family of the dog owner.

"When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%)."

http://dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Childrenfrequentvictims

The responsibility lies neither with the dog nor the children but rather with the owner.

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from Blue Ox wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My little boy will be 2 years old come August. His best friend is my 200lb. mastiff. (Ok, so he's not a gun-dog) but the concept here is the same. Do I trust my boy? Yes. Do I trust my dog? Absolutely. Do I leave them alone together? Hell no! My mastiff may be a big lovesponge but as jcarlin said- he's still an animal.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I agree with rock rat. My oldest granddaughter was doing nothing with the dog (toy poodle) when the dog walked over and bit her in the face bad enough to draw blood. The dog was part of the family and we think jealous of the attention the new baby gets. The dog was moved to My daughter's in-laws house and is not allowed around the baby anymore.

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from squirrelgirl wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I don't really have gun dogs per se but this past weekend at the lake someones black lab growled at my 3 yo daughter. the owner laughed and said she just wanted to "play". I wasn't laughing. dogs and kids always need to be watched. even if they are harmless a wagging tail can bust a lip open and a playful paw can draw blood. i'd rather be overly cautious than sorry

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from MLH wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Certain dogs, yes. Others, no. But unintentional reaction bites can happen, especially with high strung dogs.

Have to tell you a bit more about my old Newfy again. I went to the Detroit Dog Show, biggest in the world, trying to find a dog that would be great with kids. A half dozen neighbor kids were always in and out of my house and yard - I think their parents sent them over to get them out of their hair. The Newfies caught my eye because kids were cuddling up to and crawling all over them (75 Newfies were at the show). The dogs all seemed to love it. That made up my mind.

Not sure if I told this story before - A neighbor brought her newborn over and laid her on a blanket in the drive. Beau, all 175 pounds of him, came bounding around the house and spotted the baby. He ran over, stopped about a few feet away, got down on his belly and crawled toward the baby. When he got a couple of feet away he rolled over on his side, and with his head down on the blanket pulled himself up to the baby, then licked her toes. Everyone was a stunned. The mom cried. I trusted him, and so did others, alone with many kids.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from muddman wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Could I leave kids with my dogs? Yes. Would I leave kids with my dogs? No. Both my Boxer and my Boykin love kids but I wouldnt leave young kids along without the dogs being there. Kids shouldnt be left alone at young ages regardless of the nanny being a dog. Older kids would have nothing to worry about with my dogs and if they can be trusted to stay home alone I wouldnt have a problem with it.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

The question is about gun dogs, not cockers or chihauhau or poodles. Case studies show these three breeds will bite children.

I will not trust my labs, as kind and obedient as they are, alone with kids. Maybe you sense what I'm about to say. When I'm gone, the authority in their lives leaves when I leave the room. That certain connection is gone. There is a noticeable change, have you seen it, or been told about it from someone close within the family structure?

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from whitetailkjf wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

when i was 3 i put a pencil in my dogs behind and all he did was whimper. he could never have hurt me he slept under my crib never left my side

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from whitetailkjf wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

oh and he was a 120 LB lab

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from kelmitch wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

The children are celebrating the last days of school here in NY.My 15yr. old had a friend stay over last night as Magnum would say if he could talk please pet me.We are all happy especially Magnum and pets from new friends.Of course he would say to me lets hunt!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My Lab is fine with little kids. Once they start looking like gangbangers in a Walmart parking lot, the game changes. He has tried to bite a couple of adults who were shifty loking characters anyway.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from bj264 wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My boys are 13 adn 11. I have no problem leaving them with my Boykin. Both my boys actually help me with the training of the Boykin, so they know the commands and what is expected or allowed with the dog. If the kids are old enough I think it is important that they understand the ground rules that go along with the dog.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I think bj264 sums it up nicely. You have to know the dogs and the children or there is no possible basis for that trust. My example of my soon to be 3 year old who is being taught better, but he's also still at an unpredictable stage in life. I was horrified 6 years ago when one of the neighborhood kids and mother came to the door and the 8 year old child grabbed my 10 month old wiemer/lab by both ears and pulled it's face into hers. (miss that dog, my only loss to a car). Dog handled it well. I quickly intervened then looked at the child and her mother "what happened to her face?" as I then noticed the transparent tape and stitches. "My brother's shepherd mauled her on Saturday. We've known that dog for years, no explaining it." That kid was never right, and I didn't particularly like my daughter associating with her, but the mother, who'd just spent a day in the emergency room while her child recieved what I believe was something like 60 sutures from scalp to jaw on both sides of face, and then watched as her daughter pulled the same stunt obviously wasn't all there either. I trust my dogs if treated as we all are aware they should be or I wouldn't own them. I don't trust people, and that includes my own toddler, who's just beginning to pass "smart dog" intelligence himself.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I'm laughing at myself now for stating that someone's 4 line post sums up the issue, then feelign the need to add my own novel to support.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from jamesti wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

my lab has never gotten aggressive with kids but will warn unknown adults when they come around. regardless of the animal, you just have to be careful.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from MNHunter wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I am new to the parenting game in a 2 dog (lab/pointer mix and lab/boxer mix)house. Both have been fine around the baby although the lab/boxer is much more accepting of her crawling all over him.

That being said when he is also slightly shy around people he does not know and I do not let kids I do not know pet him. I don't want to have some kid who is standing eye to eye with him do something to scare him and incite an reaction. In a public situation with toddlers or young kids, they can to pet the pointer but I stay between them and the boxer.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from TFrymyer31 wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I think that my dog is the best baby sitter in the world. He will run around the back yard with the kids for hours and then lay down with them a take nap.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from DanKur wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My two Brittany's are fine around kids. But as soon as they start running around yelling, they bark at them and go in a different room.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Robert Ewing wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

Gone are the days where you could bring a unaltered puppy to a school or daycare to socialize a puppy and educate the childeren.
As to the question,I don't trust any child around a good dog.Especially redheaded childeren with orange and white Brittanys.Either one will forget who is playing with who.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from mdrewhall wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

I wouldn't leave my dog around any kids because they are so damn aggravating - he wouldn't leave me with them I know. My neighbor told me just the other day that my dog minded better than his kids, and it's true.

www.OutdoorWriter.net

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from duckranger wrote 1 year 49 weeks ago

My parents had a rot when I was younger. She was VERY well bred, and trained. She won several obedience trials in the lowcountry when she was just 6 months old. I used to beat her in the head with a hammer until she tired of it. Then she would take the hammer from me and hide it giving her a few minutes respite. On a side note, she was a great retriever except she mangled most of the doves she brought back.

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from tpifher wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

My setter was in the living room with my 18 mos. old grandaughter when I heard her trouble giggle, I went to check & she had one of his eyelids turned inside out and was walking him by his bottom lip. Yup I trust him.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from grant77 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

My dog is fine around children.

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