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July 19, 2010

Petzal Reviews the Thompson/Center Icon Warlord

By David E. Petzal

You might recall a recent post regarding putting five shots in one hole. Here is a little more on the gun that did so.

The Thompson/Center Warlord is based on the premise that any shooting you do with a tactical rifle is bound to be serious and for high stakes, and that you don’t want your bullets going other than where you aim them. It’s built on the principle that if you want to make an accurate rifle you have to a) eliminate vibration as much as possible and b) make whatever vibration that’s left over as uniform as possible. So, with that firmly in mind, let us look at the beast.

The action is T/C’s Icon three-lug bolt action. It’s thick-walled, has a small ejection port, and a 20 MOA mil-spec Picatinny rail. All this metal makes for an extremely stiff action. Bottom metal is by Badger Ordnance; it incorporates a paddle-style release and the rifle feeds from either a 5- or a 10-round magazine. The magazine clatters around a bit, but operation and feeding are flawless.

T/C screws in one of their own barrels, button-rifled with 5R rifling and hand-lapped. The tube is 22 inches long, deeply fluted, and appears to be about a #7 contour, .9 at the muzzle. It is some heavy son of a bitch. When I got my Warlord, T/C offered a choice of several different twists (mine is a 1/10), but apparently now offers only 1/11.25.

The stock is Manners composite 2A fitted with a cheekpiece that adjust not only for height, but for cast as well. The stock is fitted with an aluminum bedding block and flush side-sling attachments. Weight, without scope, is 12 ¾ pounds. My Warlord is green, but apparently this has been dropped in favor of flat black. The trigger is T/C’s own, and while it can be adjusted for an excellent pull, mine was not. It weighed 3.5 pounds, which was fine, but had far too much sear engagement, which was not. Considering that this is a handmade gun, whoever worked on the trigger needs his thumbs broken to re-focus his mind.

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Can I have it? Ill be nice and clean it, and take it for walks at the range, and shoot plenty of coyotes with it. I promise!

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from MJC wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

At 12 3/4 pounds, I'm guessing that whichever sniper is issued this will really be hoping the elevators are working when he goes to the roof.

On the other hand, the recoil must be somewhere between a mouse fart and a babies punch.

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from MJC wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Correction: baby's punch

The internet is no excuse for poor grammar.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Thumbs broken to re-focus his mind? Is that something you learned from a Drill Sergeant, Dave?

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Price?

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

This Warload appears to be a wonderful rifle in every regard considering its purpose. I wonder if T/C has a market that will support the continuation of manufacture for any substancial time period, ie contracts for significant sales.

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

that is one ugly rifle!

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from hi_tail wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I like the green... O well, not that I can afford the Warlord in either color....
Nice rifle-

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Green stock, Adjustable Check, Overesize Bolt Handle, Box Magazine, Barrel the size of a water main... Yep that would be a tactical rifle alright. I'd be greatly dissapointed if the "Heavy Some Beach" didn't shoot like that.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

A rifle that shoots that well can be heavy. It relieves the bearer from toting too much ammo. About 50 rounds should be sufficient to quell a minor insurrection.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

MJC: thanks for the laugh, but I'll take a helicopter instead of a elevator for that rig.

dukkillr: Are you sure it's not from Dave's own "unmatching wit's" LOL

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Dave,

I implore you. You have the bully pulpit. Make these jokers act right and make some things left-handed. I can shoot right-handed, and I see you do it well too (y'all have good show BTW) - but it is potentially my money to spend. I want what I want. This ain't it. Savage gets it and Beretta/Tikka does too. Ruger to a lesser degree. Remington and Browing to a much lesser degree.

There are a great few gunwriters out there who are southpaws. Looks like to me they (the gunmakers) would want the best reviews possible. Now what would things be like if lefty guns were sent to all the right-handed folks in the world. And the gunmakers say "Tough s#*t, this is how it is". Wouldn't that be a PITA? Would they put up with it?

Respectfully,
a simple sumbitch from S Ga

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

'Neck,

Scratch Beretta/Tikka from that list. They now only import the stainless T3 and the caliber list is getting very thin. I look at the real Tikka web site and drool ever so slightly at the calibers available. The thought of a Tikka T3 Lite in 6.5 X 55 makes sound some what like Homer Simpson at the sight of a jelly doughnut. But alas in thier infinite wisdom Beretta USA says NO!

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Sorry,

That should have been "...makes me sound like.."

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I get a kick out of how we stress light weight in our sporting rifles, but when we want a gun for serious business, it weighs ten or twelve pounds. All my old military rifles were made for mud, gore, and rough handling, and shoot straight in spite of it. Maybe if we could learn to sling a rifle the way we have learned to sling heavy cameras, backpacks, etc. we wouldn't mind carrying a ten pound rifle on a hunt.

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from grant77 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

sweet rifle

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from chadlove wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Beekeeper, my current favorite rifle is a Tikka T3 Lite stainless synthetic in 6.5x55 topped with a Leupold fixed 6x42 FX3. I bought mine (barely) used but if you look around you can sometimes find them.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Jack O'Connor once said his favorite .30-06 weighed 9 1/4 lbs with scope, and he would not care to have it much lighter. That is exactly what mine weighs, and unlike Cactus Jack's, mine has a recoil pad.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

To sgaredneck: I am a voice crying in the wilderness. Left-hand guns count for about 9 percent of long-arm sales, and you and I are lucky that anyone makes anything for southpaws at all. Ed Brown made some of the best left-hand guns I've ever shot, and then dropped them for lack of demand. I asked him how much it would cost to build a lefty just for me.

"About $250,000," said Ed.

However, Kenny Jarrett has begun making left-hand Tri-Locks, so all is not lost.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

jamesti-- Your close but, That is one heavy, butt ugly rifle!

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I like it.

I may get one.

Tnx for the article.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Appreciate the extra info on the one that does 5 in 1. So, thanks DEP.

Breaking thumbs...that's right, no room for errors in a hand made gun.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

It's not ugly to me. Besides that, if you had a rifle that could shoot .053" groups at 100 yards would you really care what it looked like? It would be like complaining that Christie Brinkley was not quite smart enough. Who gives a damn?

All the designer cared about was one thing... accuracy. And it would seem to me he was an overachiever. On a side note as soon as Dave got a TV contract I wondered how long it would take before he began touting the merits of the T/C. Didn't take long at all. What's up with that?

I like ten pound rifles. My Ruger #1 with sling, scope, mounts, and ten rounds in the buttstock cartridge carrier weighs over ten.

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from MLH wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

That poor trigger guy probably had a lawyer looking over his shoulder.

Nice that you have a unique rifle. I imagine it is "prettier" in green so scratch my head at black. And why 1/11.25?

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph-- I think you're on to something with the TV gig, usually Petzal freaks out if a gun has a box magazine and a composite stock.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I made up a Powerpoint of this topic and took it to the barn to show my hunting horses. They laughed at the appearance of the rifle and said that it was 3.5 pounds over what PETA would allow them to carry. Plus they argue that it is not a Mauser based action so they would be ashamed of being seen near it at the trailhead. They did point out that it would great hanging on the side of a red roan mule. I am sure I heard some "horse laffs" after I walked out of the barn. Dammit just when I was about to convince myself to try to find a green one. Maybe I could buy a bigger horse as I don't want a roan mule...hum I'll look into that plus a butler or "boy" to haul the monster around on top of the 8500 foot ridges. There is always the politically correct side of any of life's ventures today, it was not that way in the old days.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Why the 1/11.25? That's an easy one! Palma shooters prefer in 308 with 155's and a 1-11 for 1000 yard International Competition. for 168's to 190's, 1-10 works best. So the 1-11.25 is most suitable for 150's and 168's

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from fng wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

10-12 pounds? waah, Im thinking for myself either a .308 Save 10fcp with a macmillan a5 stock, or a 16 pound custom .338 LAPUA. 10-12 pounds is heavy? on the hike, yes. When the trohy of a lifetime pops out at 500 yards, Im going to be thanksful for the hairsplitting accuracy if I can't sneak closer before dusk.

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

No left hand model? No interest here!

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

quite a rifle. $3500 and a 14 to 18 week wait time?

law enforcement or the military might need such a rifle but i sure don't, plus they can afford it. we pay the tax. they shoot $3500 rifles.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

quite a rifle. $3500 and a 14 to 18 week wait time?

law enforcement or the military might need such a rifle but i sure don't, plus they can afford it. we pay the tax. they shoot $3500 rifles.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

"Sinestra" from which we get the word "sinister" is the Latin word for "left".

My Dad would always say, "Well, you know it is a Right Handed World." (Emphasis on the word, "is".)

Supposedly 7 - 10% of the population is left handed, making 9% left handed long gun sales just about right. No pun intended.

NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF LEFTIES:

Over 30 years ago I had a brief but worthwhile boxing career. I never lost twice to the same guy -- except a southpaw from some West Virginia coal mining town... Lost to him 3 times. He was sinister.

Dave Petzal can still out shoot me. He acts sinister (e.g. = "...whoever worked on the trigger needs his thumbs broken to re-focus his mind.") but everybody knows he is really a nice guy.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

fng: If you need a tactical or custom rifle to hit a deer or elk at 500yrds? I've seen a fair number of factory bolt rifles (many of then light weights) keep 3 or 5 rounds in an 8" paper plate at 500yrds when the shooter did their job. So, if that is your real excuse for buying one don't let your wife to the range too often.

Not knocking you for appreciating a nice rifle, but I just can't agree with your reasoning. Now if you are planing on joining the 1000yrd club then maybe your talking that level rifle, but that isn't really hunting is it? More like shooting live targets.

Like I said not knocking you if you get one, just faulty reasoning as I see it.

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from Jim in Avon wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

While you're damaging delicate digits, how 'bout a twist of your hunt-and-peck index finger for nary a mention of what chamberings are available for this Ugly Stick?
I'm not in the market -- my Savage tactical in .308 works most excellently, thankyew -- but something like "... , available in .308, 5.56 and other military rounds" (or whatever the facts are) would provide just the piece of daubing I'm looking for to fill the chink in the corner of my mind where such information accretes.

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I would like to shoot one just like I would like to drive a Ferrari or fly an F-15 or F-16. I would like it even more if it were a left hand version. Too expensive for me to own unless I was hunting certain high-value game on a battle field.

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from fng wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

No Jeepguy, not what I meant. What I mean is that I like these kind of rifles, and don't mind toting a bit more weight for a bit of performance. Its better to tote an effective 20 pounds than a 6 pound gun that won't get sh*t done, and as to the grl to the rnge comment, every time I go :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I'm going to be nice today :)

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Crusty, why change now? ;)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Moishe

Be nice...

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Me? Nice? Ya gotta be kiddin! ;)

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Fear not for long ,.
oh watchers of and listners to
his O3A3-ness

It will become too much : )

Personally,.. Im kinda curious yuk yuk .

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Once every eight or ten years +/- ,.
I get itchy,. for a rifle that will shoot the nad's off a mateing firefly in the dark at 700 meters.
while I am at full gallop on my trusty steed ole "Dip Stick" the Tennessee walker stallion .
Who also by the way ,.
farts lightning bolts to protect my 6. when so engaged in this or simlar activities.

But I dont like the way this smoke pole looks.
Like music,. peferences will vary,.So this aint it,..

However this may also have set the ball bearings of change in motion such that I part with more coin of the realm than I ever intened to again

Hmmm,.. Go figure Hugh ?

Think maybe I better have some scoth and codgitate this further.maybe asble to talk myslelf out if it : )

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Figuring 3500 plus appropriate scope puts the whole rig in about the 5-6 k slot ,..

Not cheap ,.. but it aint 10 grand either ,.

And by the way I thought Badger orduinace was closed to any production ,. the Army from what i heard recenty handing over some to the state or CO and some to the
HoChunk tribe in WI.

Is there another Badger ordinace works ?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

ok,

Will somebody tell me what your paying for at 3.5k ?

Is it the name of some embedded technology that calculates internal and exterminate ballistics to the target?

The rifle looks impressive, but at 600 yards with my M1A, I can put more rounds into a pie plate in 60 seconds!

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay;

Today's sniper needs this kind of accuracy. Yesterday's sniper just had to shoot bad guys. Today's sniper has to shoot bad guys without harming the hostages in the boat. He's got to shoot his bad guy by shooting between the two burqa garbed women arguing over the price of goat cheese who just stepped into the way. If he is a police sniper he has to shoot the bad guy almost right through the head of the negotiator. Me, I'd rather have your Garand-son (M1A), but accuracy is what bolt actions exist for. If I could afford 1/2 MOA I'd buy it.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yuk yuk

Told ya : )

However,.. Mr Cooper I moslty agree

If the Military or the cops need it ja ja ,. ok

But you know as well ( or better ) than I and most in
here
Joe hunter ,. the average shooter
cant hit consistantly the windghield of the car he or she drives ,. off hand at 100 meters ( plus or minus ) .

Add the stress of a nice buck to the equasion and this blog IMHO would be served to some extent by pounding on basics of marksmanship sportmanship and or hunting skill.
Finding venues for the inexperianced to shoot and practie such that we better our sports place now and in the future .
IE: why they call it hunting and not shooting.

Buuuuuut I digress ,.and as I am, propertly remice it is a true as sand in the dessert

What then would we and Mr P have to talk about ?
Especially proferssor P,. emeritus expert in all things of the rifle and its acociated elementas.
Aside from practical application of practical rounds to practicle and boreing animals.

Must admit this is getting slightly boring ,..

Just curious,..
a show of hands or just a yes or no.
Who gives a flying F about a $3500 rifle
When many (most ?) cant aford the ammunition to practice with a 22 ??

So Vlad,. ole hoss get ready ,. its just starting : )

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

My Savage 110E is better looking, it will shoot 1" groups and it cost $3200.00 less and I don't need a porter to carry it for me!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

focusfront

Excellent point Sir! If you only had an inch of head exposure of a bad guy with a darn if you do or lose everything, guess the 3.5k be worth it, but it better work as advertised and give back change!

The 3.5 k might be a marketing ploy to keep it out of the hands of the common person?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Walt, my 03-A3 shoots 5 shot group 1/2 moa with 173 grain Special Ball

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

By the way Dad only paid $25.00 for the 03-A3 still packed in Cosmoline

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from 788Ham wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Jeepdude1987, "Keep 3 or 5 rounds in an 8" paper plate." You wouldn't spend that kind of money on a rifle that would shoot 8" minute of plate? LOL I don't think I would either, nice lookin' hunk of iron, but I'm gettin' too old to tote those heavy ones any more.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

That rifle wasn't meant to be "pretty". It is all about the business of hitting a small target every time.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think focusfront has it right. +1.

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from Zermoid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yohan, I say NO!

I too am in the "Who gives a flying F about a $3500 rifle
When many (most ?) cant aford the ammunition to practice with a 22 ??" crowd.

Sure would be nice to have one but my $200 Marlin 30-30 is pushing my budget! (it was a gun store demo gun, never fired but a bit of handling wear, and a big discount cuz of it!) I have not fired a gun since last hunting season, mostly due to a lack of funds, both for ammo and range fees. It's getting so if you don't belong to a club with a range there is no where to shoot around here, there is only 1 public shooting range I know of locally, a 1 position 100 yd max range at that!

And what with a brick of 22's costing a fortune anymore and centerfire even worse I just can't justify spending upwards of $200 for a day at the range.
It's sad when a day of shooting my guns can cost as much AS a gun!

Sad times for us Poorer Gun Nuts!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Well zermoid ,. at least you have the stones to say so
Bet the needle points in that direction for a lot more than we know about. and it aint Obama either

Wanna blame some one,. take swipe at Boy George and the hunter for two wars (neither one of which we voted on ) one of which was and is just stupid.

And the wall street scum that got us in so deep we couldn't afford to let it go
Dirty Sons Of B!TCHES that they are.

I'm a stock broker and a concervative liberal
and Im so G D embarassed by what went on
its hard for me to even think about it. But I do .
Honestly ,.the only thing that keeps me sane is that i didnt pull ANY of that sh!t,..
and I have been half killing myslef to preserve and recover client equity ,. I can also tell you with some authority that job aint f in easy either.

It was the big banks and propriatary tradiding.(mostly)
Actually gambling on dervitives and the likes of Madof scum and his ilk.

But it all boils down to who got it,. and who dont.
You think Boy George and the Heart Attack Hunter give a fly F if your squeezed for ammo ,. ??? or anything else? You know the answer.

BUT ,. if guys like you speak up enough in what ever form or venue it will slowly start to leak out that G D IT were sick of this sh!T now and we want out of the G D war. We can kill and f in guy Osama any time.
People wory about spending for Christmass sake ,. what does a f ing war cost ? any idea ??

Give you a heads up,..
my God father (deceased) retired a General.
His statement to me about cost of war was this .
If people really knew there would likley be waay fewer of em . and more people would be hung and or shot than anyone would believe due to "spoils of war" attitude .
An atitude held by just about every low life scum sucking crook on the planet who in many cases are wrappd in the $2000 suits the polititions wear which includes many of out loooong time shining heroes now. .

I could go on but I better not ,.
So MR. Zermoid,.IMHO your a stand up guy
Just keep talking ,.. if enough talk and enough vote & not for the right this time sooner or later
the boys up tht ladder get the message short and mennacing as it may be.

Have a good day Sir

War causes shortages IE; and right away on ammunition
for instance.

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Chad,

Was it a lefty? I've been a looking...

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from Carney wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

"Sinestra" from which we get the word "sinister" is the Latin word for "left".

My Dad would always say, "Well, you know it is a Right Handed World." (Emphasis on the word, "is".)

Supposedly 7 - 10% of the population is left handed, making 9% left handed long gun sales just about right. No pun intended.

NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF LEFTIES:

Over 30 years ago I had a brief but worthwhile boxing career. I never lost twice to the same guy -- except a southpaw from some West Virginia coal mining town... Lost to him 3 times. He was sinister.

Dave Petzal can still out shoot me. He acts sinister (e.g. = "...whoever worked on the trigger needs his thumbs broken to re-focus his mind.") but everybody knows he is really a nice guy.

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from MJC wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Correction: baby's punch

The internet is no excuse for poor grammar.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I get a kick out of how we stress light weight in our sporting rifles, but when we want a gun for serious business, it weighs ten or twelve pounds. All my old military rifles were made for mud, gore, and rough handling, and shoot straight in spite of it. Maybe if we could learn to sling a rifle the way we have learned to sling heavy cameras, backpacks, etc. we wouldn't mind carrying a ten pound rifle on a hunt.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I made up a Powerpoint of this topic and took it to the barn to show my hunting horses. They laughed at the appearance of the rifle and said that it was 3.5 pounds over what PETA would allow them to carry. Plus they argue that it is not a Mauser based action so they would be ashamed of being seen near it at the trailhead. They did point out that it would great hanging on the side of a red roan mule. I am sure I heard some "horse laffs" after I walked out of the barn. Dammit just when I was about to convince myself to try to find a green one. Maybe I could buy a bigger horse as I don't want a roan mule...hum I'll look into that plus a butler or "boy" to haul the monster around on top of the 8500 foot ridges. There is always the politically correct side of any of life's ventures today, it was not that way in the old days.

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from MJC wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

At 12 3/4 pounds, I'm guessing that whichever sniper is issued this will really be hoping the elevators are working when he goes to the roof.

On the other hand, the recoil must be somewhere between a mouse fart and a babies punch.

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Green stock, Adjustable Check, Overesize Bolt Handle, Box Magazine, Barrel the size of a water main... Yep that would be a tactical rifle alright. I'd be greatly dissapointed if the "Heavy Some Beach" didn't shoot like that.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

A rifle that shoots that well can be heavy. It relieves the bearer from toting too much ammo. About 50 rounds should be sufficient to quell a minor insurrection.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

MJC: thanks for the laugh, but I'll take a helicopter instead of a elevator for that rig.

dukkillr: Are you sure it's not from Dave's own "unmatching wit's" LOL

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Dave,

I implore you. You have the bully pulpit. Make these jokers act right and make some things left-handed. I can shoot right-handed, and I see you do it well too (y'all have good show BTW) - but it is potentially my money to spend. I want what I want. This ain't it. Savage gets it and Beretta/Tikka does too. Ruger to a lesser degree. Remington and Browing to a much lesser degree.

There are a great few gunwriters out there who are southpaws. Looks like to me they (the gunmakers) would want the best reviews possible. Now what would things be like if lefty guns were sent to all the right-handed folks in the world. And the gunmakers say "Tough s#*t, this is how it is". Wouldn't that be a PITA? Would they put up with it?

Respectfully,
a simple sumbitch from S Ga

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from grant77 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

sweet rifle

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

No left hand model? No interest here!

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from Jim in Avon wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

While you're damaging delicate digits, how 'bout a twist of your hunt-and-peck index finger for nary a mention of what chamberings are available for this Ugly Stick?
I'm not in the market -- my Savage tactical in .308 works most excellently, thankyew -- but something like "... , available in .308, 5.56 and other military rounds" (or whatever the facts are) would provide just the piece of daubing I'm looking for to fill the chink in the corner of my mind where such information accretes.

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I would like to shoot one just like I would like to drive a Ferrari or fly an F-15 or F-16. I would like it even more if it were a left hand version. Too expensive for me to own unless I was hunting certain high-value game on a battle field.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay;

Today's sniper needs this kind of accuracy. Yesterday's sniper just had to shoot bad guys. Today's sniper has to shoot bad guys without harming the hostages in the boat. He's got to shoot his bad guy by shooting between the two burqa garbed women arguing over the price of goat cheese who just stepped into the way. If he is a police sniper he has to shoot the bad guy almost right through the head of the negotiator. Me, I'd rather have your Garand-son (M1A), but accuracy is what bolt actions exist for. If I could afford 1/2 MOA I'd buy it.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

My Savage 110E is better looking, it will shoot 1" groups and it cost $3200.00 less and I don't need a porter to carry it for me!

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Can I have it? Ill be nice and clean it, and take it for walks at the range, and shoot plenty of coyotes with it. I promise!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Thumbs broken to re-focus his mind? Is that something you learned from a Drill Sergeant, Dave?

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

This Warload appears to be a wonderful rifle in every regard considering its purpose. I wonder if T/C has a market that will support the continuation of manufacture for any substancial time period, ie contracts for significant sales.

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

that is one ugly rifle!

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from hi_tail wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I like the green... O well, not that I can afford the Warlord in either color....
Nice rifle-

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

'Neck,

Scratch Beretta/Tikka from that list. They now only import the stainless T3 and the caliber list is getting very thin. I look at the real Tikka web site and drool ever so slightly at the calibers available. The thought of a Tikka T3 Lite in 6.5 X 55 makes sound some what like Homer Simpson at the sight of a jelly doughnut. But alas in thier infinite wisdom Beretta USA says NO!

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from chadlove wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Beekeeper, my current favorite rifle is a Tikka T3 Lite stainless synthetic in 6.5x55 topped with a Leupold fixed 6x42 FX3. I bought mine (barely) used but if you look around you can sometimes find them.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Jack O'Connor once said his favorite .30-06 weighed 9 1/4 lbs with scope, and he would not care to have it much lighter. That is exactly what mine weighs, and unlike Cactus Jack's, mine has a recoil pad.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

To sgaredneck: I am a voice crying in the wilderness. Left-hand guns count for about 9 percent of long-arm sales, and you and I are lucky that anyone makes anything for southpaws at all. Ed Brown made some of the best left-hand guns I've ever shot, and then dropped them for lack of demand. I asked him how much it would cost to build a lefty just for me.

"About $250,000," said Ed.

However, Kenny Jarrett has begun making left-hand Tri-Locks, so all is not lost.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

jamesti-- Your close but, That is one heavy, butt ugly rifle!

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

It's not ugly to me. Besides that, if you had a rifle that could shoot .053" groups at 100 yards would you really care what it looked like? It would be like complaining that Christie Brinkley was not quite smart enough. Who gives a damn?

All the designer cared about was one thing... accuracy. And it would seem to me he was an overachiever. On a side note as soon as Dave got a TV contract I wondered how long it would take before he began touting the merits of the T/C. Didn't take long at all. What's up with that?

I like ten pound rifles. My Ruger #1 with sling, scope, mounts, and ten rounds in the buttstock cartridge carrier weighs over ten.

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from fng wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

10-12 pounds? waah, Im thinking for myself either a .308 Save 10fcp with a macmillan a5 stock, or a 16 pound custom .338 LAPUA. 10-12 pounds is heavy? on the hike, yes. When the trohy of a lifetime pops out at 500 yards, Im going to be thanksful for the hairsplitting accuracy if I can't sneak closer before dusk.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

quite a rifle. $3500 and a 14 to 18 week wait time?

law enforcement or the military might need such a rifle but i sure don't, plus they can afford it. we pay the tax. they shoot $3500 rifles.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Moishe

Be nice...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

By the way Dad only paid $25.00 for the 03-A3 still packed in Cosmoline

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Sorry,

That should have been "...makes me sound like.."

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I like it.

I may get one.

Tnx for the article.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Appreciate the extra info on the one that does 5 in 1. So, thanks DEP.

Breaking thumbs...that's right, no room for errors in a hand made gun.

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from MLH wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

That poor trigger guy probably had a lawyer looking over his shoulder.

Nice that you have a unique rifle. I imagine it is "prettier" in green so scratch my head at black. And why 1/11.25?

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph-- I think you're on to something with the TV gig, usually Petzal freaks out if a gun has a box magazine and a composite stock.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Why the 1/11.25? That's an easy one! Palma shooters prefer in 308 with 155's and a 1-11 for 1000 yard International Competition. for 168's to 190's, 1-10 works best. So the 1-11.25 is most suitable for 150's and 168's

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

quite a rifle. $3500 and a 14 to 18 week wait time?

law enforcement or the military might need such a rifle but i sure don't, plus they can afford it. we pay the tax. they shoot $3500 rifles.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

fng: If you need a tactical or custom rifle to hit a deer or elk at 500yrds? I've seen a fair number of factory bolt rifles (many of then light weights) keep 3 or 5 rounds in an 8" paper plate at 500yrds when the shooter did their job. So, if that is your real excuse for buying one don't let your wife to the range too often.

Not knocking you for appreciating a nice rifle, but I just can't agree with your reasoning. Now if you are planing on joining the 1000yrd club then maybe your talking that level rifle, but that isn't really hunting is it? More like shooting live targets.

Like I said not knocking you if you get one, just faulty reasoning as I see it.

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from fng wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

No Jeepguy, not what I meant. What I mean is that I like these kind of rifles, and don't mind toting a bit more weight for a bit of performance. Its better to tote an effective 20 pounds than a 6 pound gun that won't get sh*t done, and as to the grl to the rnge comment, every time I go :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

I'm going to be nice today :)

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Crusty, why change now? ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

focusfront

Excellent point Sir! If you only had an inch of head exposure of a bad guy with a darn if you do or lose everything, guess the 3.5k be worth it, but it better work as advertised and give back change!

The 3.5 k might be a marketing ploy to keep it out of the hands of the common person?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Walt, my 03-A3 shoots 5 shot group 1/2 moa with 173 grain Special Ball

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from 788Ham wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Jeepdude1987, "Keep 3 or 5 rounds in an 8" paper plate." You wouldn't spend that kind of money on a rifle that would shoot 8" minute of plate? LOL I don't think I would either, nice lookin' hunk of iron, but I'm gettin' too old to tote those heavy ones any more.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

That rifle wasn't meant to be "pretty". It is all about the business of hitting a small target every time.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think focusfront has it right. +1.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 39 weeks ago

Price?

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Me? Nice? Ya gotta be kiddin! ;)

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Fear not for long ,.
oh watchers of and listners to
his O3A3-ness

It will become too much : )

Personally,.. Im kinda curious yuk yuk .

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Once every eight or ten years +/- ,.
I get itchy,. for a rifle that will shoot the nad's off a mateing firefly in the dark at 700 meters.
while I am at full gallop on my trusty steed ole "Dip Stick" the Tennessee walker stallion .
Who also by the way ,.
farts lightning bolts to protect my 6. when so engaged in this or simlar activities.

But I dont like the way this smoke pole looks.
Like music,. peferences will vary,.So this aint it,..

However this may also have set the ball bearings of change in motion such that I part with more coin of the realm than I ever intened to again

Hmmm,.. Go figure Hugh ?

Think maybe I better have some scoth and codgitate this further.maybe asble to talk myslelf out if it : )

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Figuring 3500 plus appropriate scope puts the whole rig in about the 5-6 k slot ,..

Not cheap ,.. but it aint 10 grand either ,.

And by the way I thought Badger orduinace was closed to any production ,. the Army from what i heard recenty handing over some to the state or CO and some to the
HoChunk tribe in WI.

Is there another Badger ordinace works ?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

ok,

Will somebody tell me what your paying for at 3.5k ?

Is it the name of some embedded technology that calculates internal and exterminate ballistics to the target?

The rifle looks impressive, but at 600 yards with my M1A, I can put more rounds into a pie plate in 60 seconds!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yuk yuk

Told ya : )

However,.. Mr Cooper I moslty agree

If the Military or the cops need it ja ja ,. ok

But you know as well ( or better ) than I and most in
here
Joe hunter ,. the average shooter
cant hit consistantly the windghield of the car he or she drives ,. off hand at 100 meters ( plus or minus ) .

Add the stress of a nice buck to the equasion and this blog IMHO would be served to some extent by pounding on basics of marksmanship sportmanship and or hunting skill.
Finding venues for the inexperianced to shoot and practie such that we better our sports place now and in the future .
IE: why they call it hunting and not shooting.

Buuuuuut I digress ,.and as I am, propertly remice it is a true as sand in the dessert

What then would we and Mr P have to talk about ?
Especially proferssor P,. emeritus expert in all things of the rifle and its acociated elementas.
Aside from practical application of practical rounds to practicle and boreing animals.

Must admit this is getting slightly boring ,..

Just curious,..
a show of hands or just a yes or no.
Who gives a flying F about a $3500 rifle
When many (most ?) cant aford the ammunition to practice with a 22 ??

So Vlad,. ole hoss get ready ,. its just starting : )

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from Zermoid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yohan, I say NO!

I too am in the "Who gives a flying F about a $3500 rifle
When many (most ?) cant aford the ammunition to practice with a 22 ??" crowd.

Sure would be nice to have one but my $200 Marlin 30-30 is pushing my budget! (it was a gun store demo gun, never fired but a bit of handling wear, and a big discount cuz of it!) I have not fired a gun since last hunting season, mostly due to a lack of funds, both for ammo and range fees. It's getting so if you don't belong to a club with a range there is no where to shoot around here, there is only 1 public shooting range I know of locally, a 1 position 100 yd max range at that!

And what with a brick of 22's costing a fortune anymore and centerfire even worse I just can't justify spending upwards of $200 for a day at the range.
It's sad when a day of shooting my guns can cost as much AS a gun!

Sad times for us Poorer Gun Nuts!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Well zermoid ,. at least you have the stones to say so
Bet the needle points in that direction for a lot more than we know about. and it aint Obama either

Wanna blame some one,. take swipe at Boy George and the hunter for two wars (neither one of which we voted on ) one of which was and is just stupid.

And the wall street scum that got us in so deep we couldn't afford to let it go
Dirty Sons Of B!TCHES that they are.

I'm a stock broker and a concervative liberal
and Im so G D embarassed by what went on
its hard for me to even think about it. But I do .
Honestly ,.the only thing that keeps me sane is that i didnt pull ANY of that sh!t,..
and I have been half killing myslef to preserve and recover client equity ,. I can also tell you with some authority that job aint f in easy either.

It was the big banks and propriatary tradiding.(mostly)
Actually gambling on dervitives and the likes of Madof scum and his ilk.

But it all boils down to who got it,. and who dont.
You think Boy George and the Heart Attack Hunter give a fly F if your squeezed for ammo ,. ??? or anything else? You know the answer.

BUT ,. if guys like you speak up enough in what ever form or venue it will slowly start to leak out that G D IT were sick of this sh!T now and we want out of the G D war. We can kill and f in guy Osama any time.
People wory about spending for Christmass sake ,. what does a f ing war cost ? any idea ??

Give you a heads up,..
my God father (deceased) retired a General.
His statement to me about cost of war was this .
If people really knew there would likley be waay fewer of em . and more people would be hung and or shot than anyone would believe due to "spoils of war" attitude .
An atitude held by just about every low life scum sucking crook on the planet who in many cases are wrappd in the $2000 suits the polititions wear which includes many of out loooong time shining heroes now. .

I could go on but I better not ,.
So MR. Zermoid,.IMHO your a stand up guy
Just keep talking ,.. if enough talk and enough vote & not for the right this time sooner or later
the boys up tht ladder get the message short and mennacing as it may be.

Have a good day Sir

War causes shortages IE; and right away on ammunition
for instance.

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Chad,

Was it a lefty? I've been a looking...

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