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July 21, 2010

Petzal: Thompson/Center Icon Warlord Review, Part II

By David E. Petzal

In case you missed it, here is part one of the Warlord review.

My rifle had seen some use when I got it—I’d guess a couple of hundred rounds, and I didn’t bother shooting it with hunting bullets or with .308 slugs of less than 167 grains (the current 7.62 sniper round uses a 175-grain bullet). ALL GROUPS ARE 5-SHOT, NOT 3. (Bear in mind that T/C guarantees 3-shot ½ MOA, and that the target that came with the rifle was 3 shots in .400.)

Federal factory match 168-grain .600
Nosler 168-grain match handload .646
Lapua 167-grain Scenar handload .276
Sierra 175-grain Sierra Matchking handload .500
Berger 168-grain handload .387

Not only is the rifle exceedingly accurate, it is exceedingly consistent. None of the five bullet groups above deviated more than ½-inch from a center point. If you superimposed all the groups I fired it would still be one group. You can shoot this rifle fast, slow, clean, fouled, red hot or ice cold; it makes no difference. The slugs all go to the same place. I have shot nothing else like it, and I would not know where to go if I wanted a more accurate tactical rifle.

The price is $3,499, and delivery time is 12 to 14 weeks. Tcarms.com

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That looks totally bad. I want one.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Heavy enough barrel, it should!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

If I could only get myself to shoot that well!

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Where would this gun be at on your top ten whitetail guns list??

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Walt, your think that rifle has retractable wheels and hitch to pull behind a ATV?

If I didn't know any better, it weighs more than my M1A, unloaded with the 30 round mag of course!

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Here is a coda to the Warlord story. The rifle is featured in an upcoming segment of The Gun Nuts, and as part of the fun and games I shot a 3-shot group with the Scenar handloads, since the T/C guarantee is for .500 or better for three shots. It measured .263.

Then, going boldly where no man had gone before (except in the 1920s and 30s when 10-shot groups were standard) I fired a 10-shot group just as fast as my arthritic fingers could manage. Five shots, reload the magazine, five shots. Nine rounds went into .517, which is one ragged hole, all shots touching. The tenth (the second shot in the first string) was a flyer, stretching the group to .955. This was caused by either: shooter error, a right to left breeze, a bad shell, or the Legendary Chicken Fairy farting.

Feel free to try this at home with your rifle.

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from huntenthusiest wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Perhaps when the mortgage is paid off.

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Clay-- It better! For that kind of money it should come with a portable benchrest too, because your not gonna get 1/2" groups shooting that thing offhand! I notice it doesn't have sling mounts in the stock, is that because you'll throw your shoulder out carring it that way??

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

One thing for sure, if you can't hit it? CLUB IT OVER THE HEAD WITH IT!

Barrel doubles as a tire lack handle!

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from blackdawgz wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I like it!

Here, The Road Hunt's The Thing.

As a Disabled Hunter, I have access to locked Gated Roads, and I can shoot out of the window of my van.

My gunsmith told me to be careful and not set my headliner on fire.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Walt, the reason the Law Enforcement don't want sling mounts is a easy answer. No filings for Workers Comp, only if you drop it on your foot!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Exceedingly accurate, exceedingly consistent, exceeding expensive. Two outa three ain't bad.

Yeah, I just got my new Remington 1911 R-1 back from the smithey. If I start saving now, I'll have enough jack
to pay for this one in about six months, maybe seven...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

countitandone

I don't know if this 460 Rowlands kit fits the R1, but worth checking it out. You get 44 Mag performance from a 1911

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

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from hal herring wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

No matter how heavy it is, that rifle is a sweet piece of gear.

I recently- 2 seasons ago- bought a heavy barreled tactical rifle for my all around, everything gun. It's not the Warlord, mind you, but it is a Rem. 700 LTR, 20" fluted barrel, in .308 - I put a stick-on foam cheekpiece on it, and then built that up some more with more foam and tape until my cheek weld is about perfect, set it up with a safari-carry sling (not for everybody, i know, and there are trade-offs with that system), no bipod of course, and a fixed 6 power Leupold. The whole package weighs somewhere around nine pounds, reasonable for me- As much as I admire a Kimber mod. 84, I can't find the balance point on it, and I can't shoot confidently without that.

The LTR shoots way better than I could ever shoot it, and that's important to me, after years of pie plate sized groups out of lever guns and a few misses on antelope that I'm glad nobody witnessed but me. It's still quick- points and balances very well- the 20" barrel seems to make that happen- and for me, its the perfect rifle- that is saying alot, I know, but I think it really is.

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I would like it better in 30/06 but I would never pay that much for one.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

no way i would pay that much for that rifle!

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from shane wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

"I can't afford it and my rifle does just fine for me so I'll just trash it!"

How moronic. The performance of this rifle is, as far as I can tell from what I read here, unmatchable. It's all about performance. It doesn't matter if you think it's ugly (I like it better in the green stock). Again, performance is everything, and this is the pinnacle. You know what's ugly? Missing the mark in a high stakes tactical situation. It's not even the tiny groups, it's the fact that it shoots everything to the same spot no matter what the condition. That can save lives. Graceful lines and deep bluing won't.

Where would it stand on a deer rifle top ten list? Nowhere! It's not even remotely intended to shoot deer with...not that I wouldn't if I had one. It's not meant to be toted around the thick woods or up a mountainside, so quit whining about the weight. Do you think the real men that have to make shots that win battles complain about weight?

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That should make a fine Bean Field Blaster Dave. Wonder how Mr. Jarrett feels about all these upstarts stealing his thunder and calling them tactical rifles?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Can I get a green one too? More than a nice rifle Dave, it is the state of the art in our endeavors. Sorry about the T/C sponsorship money crack last time you mentioned this masterpiece... I am in awe.

Can I get a loaner for the range just to impress my friends and find out how good I really am? I have read that most rifles are more accurate than the person doing the shooting. Do you subscribe to this theory?

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay Cooper,

Bro'...thanks for the link to clark custom guns. You the man!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

blackdawgz,

Headliner? On fire? Forget about that, carry a fire extinguisher for your scalp! Good hunting to you...

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

h.h.,

Not joking here...I'd like to see a photo of your "laminated cheekpiece!" You could, maybe, enter your pic in F&S's "Tips" section. The prize is a Buck knife and sheath if you win!

I know 'cause I just got my blade in the mail, Fedex style! It's all about collecting toys for inventions!

You might have to grind 'er down a little bit, you know, for the photo shoot I mean. Kinda like putting lipstick on a pig...sorry man, I couldn't pass this one up!

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That is an awesome marriage of plastic and steel. How about giving one of these away in a contest?

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from blackdawgz wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Countitandone:

Thanks...

We be givin' it Hell,

And enjoin' it every inch o' de way!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

David didn't do half bad tonight; I noticed a roadrunner setting in for the chicken wearing an ACME high-tech laser bullet acquisitioning flatulence intensifier or “HTLBAFI” mounted on its tail and legs fitted into a 2x4 from Yellow Wood. The chicken was taking a sick day today. Perhaps David didn’t get the memo!

Catch that Mauser at the end of the show? I blinked, but it sure caught my eye it did!

O' I can relate on the sitting position! The word is "Ibuprofen"!

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Has the US Military started using this rifle yet?

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Has the US Military started using this rifle yet?

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Oops, Sorry for the double post.

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

SICK. nuff said-

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

5 30cal shots in .276" good gawd

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from MLH wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

So much praise from DEP for a box mag rifle - it's GOT to be good!

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from Jeepdude1987 wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay I recently found out about that .460Rowland round I now really want one.

If the Rem R1 1911 is steel framed with a 5-inch receiver it should fit and work.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Thinking of trading in my Springfield 45xd for a 1911 and if the R1 works, that's it! No more unfinished Springfields for this shooter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfKKehFtmw

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

A beanfield rifle isn't just accurate, it also must shoot very flat. As Jim Carmichel put it back in the day (you know, the 1990s): "varmint rifle accuracy and trajectory, magnum rifle punch."

This is the reason why the beanfield rifle was considered such a landmark achievement, because the cartridges it was chambered for - .25-06, .264 Win Mag, .280 Ackley Improved, the various 7mm Mags, the "standard" .300 mags, plus the really blindingly fast .257 and .300 Weatherby - were rounds that, while capable of excellent "hunting" accuracy, were not expected to be target/varmint accurate because they were big, overbore, hotrod/wildcat/magnum cartridges.

I don't think the .308 belongs there. But I'm an idiot, so...

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I'm not dissing the Warlord BTW, just saying it isn't a beanfield rifle. Now that we're into niches...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia with the 1-11.25 twist 150's will work fine,but 130's even better!

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from mihunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That gun is wwwaaayyy to expencive for a factory rifle...thomson center no less. you could custom order a QUALITY rifle from GA Precision for about $2,200-3,000 and have it built exactly how you want. the TC looks cheep anyway...just look at the trigger guard, bolt knob, and the stock. Cant beat a remington 700 or a savage!

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from elmer f. wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

still, it would have been interesting to know how it shot with hunting bullets. even if it was just store bought ammo. not everyone intersted in one will truely be a sniper. there just are not that many people trained to shoot people. to me, an accurate rifle is an accurate rifle. and if i have one that good, why the heck would i NOT take it in the field?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Elmer, many moons ago, a Fella did an article on accuracy vs bullet design. He reloaded the bullet backwards and the still remained just as accurate. But I'm sure the Ballistic Coefficient went from .450 to Zilch!

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

BTW Dave-

What scope were you using?

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay, Thanks for the link and I LOVE your 'Peace Sign'!

One hell of a Chainsaw, see it took 2 guys to use it! What happens if the chain snaps on that monster?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Z' figured someone needed a chuckle!

OK' now down to business!

After doing my own research, the T2A is definably not your run of the mill rifle with a piece here and piece there and over yonder to rifle slapped together!

T/C, has done tremendous amount of homework including research and development into getting this rifle right for even someone as myself would find worthy.

Bottom Line, without going into detail, T/C has put additional work, details and materials that isn’t necessary to many into a piece of equipment. But with zero tolerance for defect or failure in a one shot real world life or death situation, this may be your only life line to bring everyone home safe tonight!

Final word,
If I had to choke up 3k for a rifle for a one shot laying it all on the line for a life or death, I would have to say the T2A is it!

This Rifle is no punk, no holds bared piece of equipment!

Pass the Crow please!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

One more thing, if you’re a High Power Long Range Competition Shooter like myself or Military or Civilian Law Enforcement, one thing you have to do when you receive a new piece of equipment, it has to be modified! DAMN! How long do I have to wait!!!! Out of the box, this is the only long range rifle I know of that is ready to go, just install the extraterrestrial scope and hit the range!

Years ago, I was told a story about a visiting European Firearms Manufacturer at one of our Nations Firearms Plants, just after WWII. The US Manufacturer asked the European Gentleman what he thought about US made Firearms. His answer? Unfinished! I truly believe T/C got it right this time!

It’s not the greatest of things that make things so great, it’s the little things, the netnoid small stuff we overlook that makes failure inevitable!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

What I do with the Catchup?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Got my new F&S rag today and immediately turned to page 28 where the so called rifle expert spews his never ending supply of knowledge at us mere mortals... it is an article on beanfield rifles. Number one on his list was the Ruger M77 Mark II Target. And I quote... "They can call it Ralph for all I care; it's a beanfield rifle." It made my day. ROFLOL!!!! (rolling on the floor laughing out loud) for the computer illiterates.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I just don't know what the attraction is to a rifle this heavy 13lbs., or this expensive, $3500? Somebody explain it to me in hunter terms. I don't even understand it in beanfield rifle terms. Sorry, jmo

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Jim in Mo, for us hunters, it has allot of nitnoid stuff done to it that a hunter wouldn't need that adds to the price. The good news is, you don't have those frigging knobs from from a Kubota tractor for stock adjustment like on the Savage Savage Model 111 Long Range Hunter!

https://secure.tcarms.com/store/icon-warlord-in-308-win.html

Receiver is CNC-machined from solid-bar stock steel. Action features a full-length Picatinny dimensioned scope rail machined into the receiver top adding strength and helping to stiffen the already stout action.

The full-length Picatinny rail features MIL STD 1913 cuts and 20 MOA of incline. Since the scope rail is machined directly into the receiver, there’s no weak point introduced by screws or dowel pins.

Recoil lugs on the bottom of the receiver interlock with the aluminum-bedding block epoxied rigidly into the stock. The flat-bottom receiver and aluminum-bedding block provide a stable foundation for accuracy.

A three-lug (fat-bolt) bolt with a 60-degree rotation rides smoothly inside the receiver.

The bolt body is fluted preventing dirt or debris from creating a bind in the Warlord’s action. Using the tool provided - the bolt is easily disassembled for routine maintenance.

A "T-slot" extractor fitted into one of the lugs and a conventional plunger-type ejector provide reliable functioning.

Protruding from the rear of the bolt sleeve is a cocking indicator that is both tactile and visual.

Trigger is externally adjustable between 3.5 and 5lbs of pull with minimal creep and overtravel. Factory tool is provided for adjustments.

A two-position safety is mounted to the rear of the bolt handle and allows a marksman to load/unload the rifle with safety engaged. A separate bolt-lock is mounted to ensure the bolt remains closed during transport. The bolt lock is automatically disengaged when the safety’s pushed to the "fire" position.

Thompson/Center uses a Badger Ordnance’s well-respected bottom metal design which incorporates a paddle magazine-release and feeds from five- or 10-shot magazines (in .308 Winchester).

The T/C Icon’s action was designed from the ground up to feed from detachable magazines. It’s design is new to the industry. It’s a detachable box magazine design that works properly with domestically produced precision rifles.

Mated to the Warlord’s action is a heavy tapered, stainless steel, deeply fluted, match-grade barrel measuring .9 inches at the muzzle. Rifling is offered in 1:11.25 inch twist. 5R rifling is featured and the standard barrel length is 22 inches.

The barreled action is bolted into a Manner’s composite T2A stock. The Manner stock’s fitted with an adjustable cheekpiece, Pachmayr recoil pad and flush side-sling attachments. Metalwork is finished in Thompson/Center’s "Weather Shield" finish for added protection from the elements.

Initially, Thompson/Center is offering the Warlord through its Custom Shop.

Offered now in .308 Winchester chambering.

YADDA! YADDA! YADDA!

Allot of nitnoid stuff not needed to shoot a deer!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

they ought to offer it in .270 WSM
with a 26 inch barrel

make it shoot 1.5" at 500 yards (OK let's really push it, make that 500 METERS)

let the measurebation begin!

BTW, weight is about right for a tactical rifle, the USMC M40 is about 15 lbs. Obviously this class of rifle is not for guys who stillhunt, but for those who live on the dark side of keeping the world free, who stay still for hours in ghillie suits (or ninja black) waiting for the perfect shot at the bad guy.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia, as I see it, the WSM's are overrated. Rounds like the .260 Remington would be more suitable. There's something about the .264 diameter bullet the Swedes did get right and they were really on to something with the 6.5x55!

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/

I like to see how the Warlord handles the 7.62 NATO M118, one of my favorite go to round when the Coyotes and Roadrunners fire up their ACME High-Tech Laser Ranging Bullet Acquisitioning Flatulence Intensifier or “HTLRBAFI” on the 1000 yard line.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Coop,
Well that was a good explanation but as they say, "good lord that's alot of money". and heavy too.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I hear’ya Jim, allot of Competition Shooters pay big bucks for all those high dollar bolt guns and extraterrestrial systems just to shoot on the 1000 yard line and here comes some Fella with a open sighted Ultra match M1A and eats there lunch with it. One way I can put it, it’s not just what you got, it’s what you can do with it that counts! Kinda like some Fella with a Hummer which never sees the back side of the mountain and without a single scratch yet alone a speck of dirt, but that other Fella with the Ol’M38??? O’my,,,If only it could talk, it has a many stories to tell. Know what I mean dar Vern!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Up in Alaska I was talking to one of our reputable Vendors and what a Gentleman and Sportsman he is. During a meeting, we got talking about the quality and functionality of sporting goods and he said if you take a sleeping bag that is rated for minus -45, at 10 degrees plus you will be freezing your butt off! He went further to say, sure, for those who tested it in the field do know how to and dress to be warm. But when you take the common John Doe, first they are not acclimated to those temperatures yet alone to the geographical location and time of the year/season.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

"Know whut I mean Vern?" I thought that was a Nashville expression Clay. Jim Varney the guy who played Ernest in all those movies made commercials for Purity milk which was a local company. I didn't realize it was nationwide...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

mihunter Don't know who's the bottom feeder to give the minuses, but here's a +1 for'ya!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Dr. R, dang right it's nationwide. Jim Varney was a hoot!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay

Might I suggest that crow thinly sliced with a little shaved fresh ginger dipped in wasabi? Yummm Yum!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

This is OFF TOPIC, so please bear with me

This is something an wrote about the Springfield 1903. Not an exact quote, but as much as I can remember:

it is almost impossible to imagine, in these days of plastic and anodized aluminum, that once upon a time the rifle issued to the US Military was as good as or even better than the best sporting rifles of the day. Such was the case with the 1903 Springfield rifle...

it was put together by people who knew what they were doing, and who loved what they were doing.

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

make that "something an author wrote"

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I can't believe we're being spammed by sneaker and sports jersey salesmen. Where are the V1@gra sites when you need them?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia, the 03-A3 is one of the best Military rifles produced. For a log time, the action itself was one of the most sought after and used for High Power Competition and Customized jobs. I have one myself and it is awesome!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Ok WAM, this is now how it will read,

Clay,As I recall, you have had crow and dumplings, chicken fried crow, Buffalo Crow Hot Wings, fried, baked, grilled, and might I suggest that crow thinly sliced with a little shaved fresh ginger dipped in wasabi? Yummm Yum!
LOL
WAM

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay,

You really crack me up! How in the H do you keep up with all those old posts and quotes? LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Called being resourceful!

Daved has his "Book od Sorrows" and I have my list of

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read!

But remember!

Disclaimer: This opinion does not constitute legal advice. Please consult an attorney licensed to pratice in your jurisdiction. Wear sunscreen, protective eyewear, and hearing protection. Buckle your seatbelt. Call your mother.
-The Armchair Outfitter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Please notice, in every one of my quotations has the Author of the quote!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I love history and I would love to be a fly on the wall, second thought invisible probably get swatted when Dave goes to a Gun Show etc, that's what I find most intriguing about him!

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That looks totally bad. I want one.

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from huntenthusiest wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Perhaps when the mortgage is paid off.

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Clay-- It better! For that kind of money it should come with a portable benchrest too, because your not gonna get 1/2" groups shooting that thing offhand! I notice it doesn't have sling mounts in the stock, is that because you'll throw your shoulder out carring it that way??

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from blackdawgz wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I like it!

Here, The Road Hunt's The Thing.

As a Disabled Hunter, I have access to locked Gated Roads, and I can shoot out of the window of my van.

My gunsmith told me to be careful and not set my headliner on fire.

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from shane wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

"I can't afford it and my rifle does just fine for me so I'll just trash it!"

How moronic. The performance of this rifle is, as far as I can tell from what I read here, unmatchable. It's all about performance. It doesn't matter if you think it's ugly (I like it better in the green stock). Again, performance is everything, and this is the pinnacle. You know what's ugly? Missing the mark in a high stakes tactical situation. It's not even the tiny groups, it's the fact that it shoots everything to the same spot no matter what the condition. That can save lives. Graceful lines and deep bluing won't.

Where would it stand on a deer rifle top ten list? Nowhere! It's not even remotely intended to shoot deer with...not that I wouldn't if I had one. It's not meant to be toted around the thick woods or up a mountainside, so quit whining about the weight. Do you think the real men that have to make shots that win battles complain about weight?

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

they ought to offer it in .270 WSM
with a 26 inch barrel

make it shoot 1.5" at 500 yards (OK let's really push it, make that 500 METERS)

let the measurebation begin!

BTW, weight is about right for a tactical rifle, the USMC M40 is about 15 lbs. Obviously this class of rifle is not for guys who stillhunt, but for those who live on the dark side of keeping the world free, who stay still for hours in ghillie suits (or ninja black) waiting for the perfect shot at the bad guy.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

If I could only get myself to shoot that well!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Walt, your think that rifle has retractable wheels and hitch to pull behind a ATV?

If I didn't know any better, it weighs more than my M1A, unloaded with the 30 round mag of course!

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Here is a coda to the Warlord story. The rifle is featured in an upcoming segment of The Gun Nuts, and as part of the fun and games I shot a 3-shot group with the Scenar handloads, since the T/C guarantee is for .500 or better for three shots. It measured .263.

Then, going boldly where no man had gone before (except in the 1920s and 30s when 10-shot groups were standard) I fired a 10-shot group just as fast as my arthritic fingers could manage. Five shots, reload the magazine, five shots. Nine rounds went into .517, which is one ragged hole, all shots touching. The tenth (the second shot in the first string) was a flyer, stretching the group to .955. This was caused by either: shooter error, a right to left breeze, a bad shell, or the Legendary Chicken Fairy farting.

Feel free to try this at home with your rifle.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

One thing for sure, if you can't hit it? CLUB IT OVER THE HEAD WITH IT!

Barrel doubles as a tire lack handle!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Hey Walt, the reason the Law Enforcement don't want sling mounts is a easy answer. No filings for Workers Comp, only if you drop it on your foot!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Exceedingly accurate, exceedingly consistent, exceeding expensive. Two outa three ain't bad.

Yeah, I just got my new Remington 1911 R-1 back from the smithey. If I start saving now, I'll have enough jack
to pay for this one in about six months, maybe seven...

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That should make a fine Bean Field Blaster Dave. Wonder how Mr. Jarrett feels about all these upstarts stealing his thunder and calling them tactical rifles?

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That is an awesome marriage of plastic and steel. How about giving one of these away in a contest?

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from blackdawgz wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Countitandone:

Thanks...

We be givin' it Hell,

And enjoin' it every inch o' de way!

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

5 30cal shots in .276" good gawd

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from MLH wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

So much praise from DEP for a box mag rifle - it's GOT to be good!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

A beanfield rifle isn't just accurate, it also must shoot very flat. As Jim Carmichel put it back in the day (you know, the 1990s): "varmint rifle accuracy and trajectory, magnum rifle punch."

This is the reason why the beanfield rifle was considered such a landmark achievement, because the cartridges it was chambered for - .25-06, .264 Win Mag, .280 Ackley Improved, the various 7mm Mags, the "standard" .300 mags, plus the really blindingly fast .257 and .300 Weatherby - were rounds that, while capable of excellent "hunting" accuracy, were not expected to be target/varmint accurate because they were big, overbore, hotrod/wildcat/magnum cartridges.

I don't think the .308 belongs there. But I'm an idiot, so...

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from elmer f. wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

still, it would have been interesting to know how it shot with hunting bullets. even if it was just store bought ammo. not everyone intersted in one will truely be a sniper. there just are not that many people trained to shoot people. to me, an accurate rifle is an accurate rifle. and if i have one that good, why the heck would i NOT take it in the field?

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

BTW Dave-

What scope were you using?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Z' figured someone needed a chuckle!

OK' now down to business!

After doing my own research, the T2A is definably not your run of the mill rifle with a piece here and piece there and over yonder to rifle slapped together!

T/C, has done tremendous amount of homework including research and development into getting this rifle right for even someone as myself would find worthy.

Bottom Line, without going into detail, T/C has put additional work, details and materials that isn’t necessary to many into a piece of equipment. But with zero tolerance for defect or failure in a one shot real world life or death situation, this may be your only life line to bring everyone home safe tonight!

Final word,
If I had to choke up 3k for a rifle for a one shot laying it all on the line for a life or death, I would have to say the T2A is it!

This Rifle is no punk, no holds bared piece of equipment!

Pass the Crow please!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Got my new F&S rag today and immediately turned to page 28 where the so called rifle expert spews his never ending supply of knowledge at us mere mortals... it is an article on beanfield rifles. Number one on his list was the Ruger M77 Mark II Target. And I quote... "They can call it Ralph for all I care; it's a beanfield rifle." It made my day. ROFLOL!!!! (rolling on the floor laughing out loud) for the computer illiterates.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I just don't know what the attraction is to a rifle this heavy 13lbs., or this expensive, $3500? Somebody explain it to me in hunter terms. I don't even understand it in beanfield rifle terms. Sorry, jmo

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Coop,
Well that was a good explanation but as they say, "good lord that's alot of money". and heavy too.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Ok WAM, this is now how it will read,

Clay,As I recall, you have had crow and dumplings, chicken fried crow, Buffalo Crow Hot Wings, fried, baked, grilled, and might I suggest that crow thinly sliced with a little shaved fresh ginger dipped in wasabi? Yummm Yum!
LOL
WAM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Heavy enough barrel, it should!

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Where would this gun be at on your top ten whitetail guns list??

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

countitandone

I don't know if this 460 Rowlands kit fits the R1, but worth checking it out. You get 44 Mag performance from a 1911

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

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from hal herring wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

No matter how heavy it is, that rifle is a sweet piece of gear.

I recently- 2 seasons ago- bought a heavy barreled tactical rifle for my all around, everything gun. It's not the Warlord, mind you, but it is a Rem. 700 LTR, 20" fluted barrel, in .308 - I put a stick-on foam cheekpiece on it, and then built that up some more with more foam and tape until my cheek weld is about perfect, set it up with a safari-carry sling (not for everybody, i know, and there are trade-offs with that system), no bipod of course, and a fixed 6 power Leupold. The whole package weighs somewhere around nine pounds, reasonable for me- As much as I admire a Kimber mod. 84, I can't find the balance point on it, and I can't shoot confidently without that.

The LTR shoots way better than I could ever shoot it, and that's important to me, after years of pie plate sized groups out of lever guns and a few misses on antelope that I'm glad nobody witnessed but me. It's still quick- points and balances very well- the 20" barrel seems to make that happen- and for me, its the perfect rifle- that is saying alot, I know, but I think it really is.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Can I get a green one too? More than a nice rifle Dave, it is the state of the art in our endeavors. Sorry about the T/C sponsorship money crack last time you mentioned this masterpiece... I am in awe.

Can I get a loaner for the range just to impress my friends and find out how good I really am? I have read that most rifles are more accurate than the person doing the shooting. Do you subscribe to this theory?

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay Cooper,

Bro'...thanks for the link to clark custom guns. You the man!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

blackdawgz,

Headliner? On fire? Forget about that, carry a fire extinguisher for your scalp! Good hunting to you...

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

h.h.,

Not joking here...I'd like to see a photo of your "laminated cheekpiece!" You could, maybe, enter your pic in F&S's "Tips" section. The prize is a Buck knife and sheath if you win!

I know 'cause I just got my blade in the mail, Fedex style! It's all about collecting toys for inventions!

You might have to grind 'er down a little bit, you know, for the photo shoot I mean. Kinda like putting lipstick on a pig...sorry man, I couldn't pass this one up!

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Has the US Military started using this rifle yet?

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Has the US Military started using this rifle yet?

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from Bellringer wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Oops, Sorry for the double post.

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from hi_tail wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

SICK. nuff said-

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from Jeepdude1987 wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay I recently found out about that .460Rowland round I now really want one.

If the Rem R1 1911 is steel framed with a 5-inch receiver it should fit and work.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Thinking of trading in my Springfield 45xd for a 1911 and if the R1 works, that's it! No more unfinished Springfields for this shooter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfKKehFtmw

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I'm not dissing the Warlord BTW, just saying it isn't a beanfield rifle. Now that we're into niches...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia with the 1-11.25 twist 150's will work fine,but 130's even better!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Elmer, many moons ago, a Fella did an article on accuracy vs bullet design. He reloaded the bullet backwards and the still remained just as accurate. But I'm sure the Ballistic Coefficient went from .450 to Zilch!

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay, Thanks for the link and I LOVE your 'Peace Sign'!

One hell of a Chainsaw, see it took 2 guys to use it! What happens if the chain snaps on that monster?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

One more thing, if you’re a High Power Long Range Competition Shooter like myself or Military or Civilian Law Enforcement, one thing you have to do when you receive a new piece of equipment, it has to be modified! DAMN! How long do I have to wait!!!! Out of the box, this is the only long range rifle I know of that is ready to go, just install the extraterrestrial scope and hit the range!

Years ago, I was told a story about a visiting European Firearms Manufacturer at one of our Nations Firearms Plants, just after WWII. The US Manufacturer asked the European Gentleman what he thought about US made Firearms. His answer? Unfinished! I truly believe T/C got it right this time!

It’s not the greatest of things that make things so great, it’s the little things, the netnoid small stuff we overlook that makes failure inevitable!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

What I do with the Catchup?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Jim in Mo, for us hunters, it has allot of nitnoid stuff done to it that a hunter wouldn't need that adds to the price. The good news is, you don't have those frigging knobs from from a Kubota tractor for stock adjustment like on the Savage Savage Model 111 Long Range Hunter!

https://secure.tcarms.com/store/icon-warlord-in-308-win.html

Receiver is CNC-machined from solid-bar stock steel. Action features a full-length Picatinny dimensioned scope rail machined into the receiver top adding strength and helping to stiffen the already stout action.

The full-length Picatinny rail features MIL STD 1913 cuts and 20 MOA of incline. Since the scope rail is machined directly into the receiver, there’s no weak point introduced by screws or dowel pins.

Recoil lugs on the bottom of the receiver interlock with the aluminum-bedding block epoxied rigidly into the stock. The flat-bottom receiver and aluminum-bedding block provide a stable foundation for accuracy.

A three-lug (fat-bolt) bolt with a 60-degree rotation rides smoothly inside the receiver.

The bolt body is fluted preventing dirt or debris from creating a bind in the Warlord’s action. Using the tool provided - the bolt is easily disassembled for routine maintenance.

A "T-slot" extractor fitted into one of the lugs and a conventional plunger-type ejector provide reliable functioning.

Protruding from the rear of the bolt sleeve is a cocking indicator that is both tactile and visual.

Trigger is externally adjustable between 3.5 and 5lbs of pull with minimal creep and overtravel. Factory tool is provided for adjustments.

A two-position safety is mounted to the rear of the bolt handle and allows a marksman to load/unload the rifle with safety engaged. A separate bolt-lock is mounted to ensure the bolt remains closed during transport. The bolt lock is automatically disengaged when the safety’s pushed to the "fire" position.

Thompson/Center uses a Badger Ordnance’s well-respected bottom metal design which incorporates a paddle magazine-release and feeds from five- or 10-shot magazines (in .308 Winchester).

The T/C Icon’s action was designed from the ground up to feed from detachable magazines. It’s design is new to the industry. It’s a detachable box magazine design that works properly with domestically produced precision rifles.

Mated to the Warlord’s action is a heavy tapered, stainless steel, deeply fluted, match-grade barrel measuring .9 inches at the muzzle. Rifling is offered in 1:11.25 inch twist. 5R rifling is featured and the standard barrel length is 22 inches.

The barreled action is bolted into a Manner’s composite T2A stock. The Manner stock’s fitted with an adjustable cheekpiece, Pachmayr recoil pad and flush side-sling attachments. Metalwork is finished in Thompson/Center’s "Weather Shield" finish for added protection from the elements.

Initially, Thompson/Center is offering the Warlord through its Custom Shop.

Offered now in .308 Winchester chambering.

YADDA! YADDA! YADDA!

Allot of nitnoid stuff not needed to shoot a deer!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia, as I see it, the WSM's are overrated. Rounds like the .260 Remington would be more suitable. There's something about the .264 diameter bullet the Swedes did get right and they were really on to something with the 6.5x55!

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/

I like to see how the Warlord handles the 7.62 NATO M118, one of my favorite go to round when the Coyotes and Roadrunners fire up their ACME High-Tech Laser Ranging Bullet Acquisitioning Flatulence Intensifier or “HTLRBAFI” on the 1000 yard line.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I hear’ya Jim, allot of Competition Shooters pay big bucks for all those high dollar bolt guns and extraterrestrial systems just to shoot on the 1000 yard line and here comes some Fella with a open sighted Ultra match M1A and eats there lunch with it. One way I can put it, it’s not just what you got, it’s what you can do with it that counts! Kinda like some Fella with a Hummer which never sees the back side of the mountain and without a single scratch yet alone a speck of dirt, but that other Fella with the Ol’M38??? O’my,,,If only it could talk, it has a many stories to tell. Know what I mean dar Vern!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Up in Alaska I was talking to one of our reputable Vendors and what a Gentleman and Sportsman he is. During a meeting, we got talking about the quality and functionality of sporting goods and he said if you take a sleeping bag that is rated for minus -45, at 10 degrees plus you will be freezing your butt off! He went further to say, sure, for those who tested it in the field do know how to and dress to be warm. But when you take the common John Doe, first they are not acclimated to those temperatures yet alone to the geographical location and time of the year/season.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

"Know whut I mean Vern?" I thought that was a Nashville expression Clay. Jim Varney the guy who played Ernest in all those movies made commercials for Purity milk which was a local company. I didn't realize it was nationwide...

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Dr. R, dang right it's nationwide. Jim Varney was a hoot!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay

Might I suggest that crow thinly sliced with a little shaved fresh ginger dipped in wasabi? Yummm Yum!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I can't believe we're being spammed by sneaker and sports jersey salesmen. Where are the V1@gra sites when you need them?

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I would like it better in 30/06 but I would never pay that much for one.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

no way i would pay that much for that rifle!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

David didn't do half bad tonight; I noticed a roadrunner setting in for the chicken wearing an ACME high-tech laser bullet acquisitioning flatulence intensifier or “HTLBAFI” mounted on its tail and legs fitted into a 2x4 from Yellow Wood. The chicken was taking a sick day today. Perhaps David didn’t get the memo!

Catch that Mauser at the end of the show? I blinked, but it sure caught my eye it did!

O' I can relate on the sitting position! The word is "Ibuprofen"!

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from mihunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

That gun is wwwaaayyy to expencive for a factory rifle...thomson center no less. you could custom order a QUALITY rifle from GA Precision for about $2,200-3,000 and have it built exactly how you want. the TC looks cheep anyway...just look at the trigger guard, bolt knob, and the stock. Cant beat a remington 700 or a savage!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

This is OFF TOPIC, so please bear with me

This is something an wrote about the Springfield 1903. Not an exact quote, but as much as I can remember:

it is almost impossible to imagine, in these days of plastic and anodized aluminum, that once upon a time the rifle issued to the US Military was as good as or even better than the best sporting rifles of the day. Such was the case with the 1903 Springfield rifle...

it was put together by people who knew what they were doing, and who loved what they were doing.

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

make that "something an author wrote"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

O Garcia, the 03-A3 is one of the best Military rifles produced. For a log time, the action itself was one of the most sought after and used for High Power Competition and Customized jobs. I have one myself and it is awesome!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Clay,

You really crack me up! How in the H do you keep up with all those old posts and quotes? LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Called being resourceful!

Daved has his "Book od Sorrows" and I have my list of

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read!

But remember!

Disclaimer: This opinion does not constitute legal advice. Please consult an attorney licensed to pratice in your jurisdiction. Wear sunscreen, protective eyewear, and hearing protection. Buckle your seatbelt. Call your mother.
-The Armchair Outfitter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

Please notice, in every one of my quotations has the Author of the quote!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

I love history and I would love to be a fly on the wall, second thought invisible probably get swatted when Dave goes to a Gun Show etc, that's what I find most intriguing about him!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

mihunter Don't know who's the bottom feeder to give the minuses, but here's a +1 for'ya!

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