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July 28, 2010

Petzal: The Wonderful World of Eric Holder

By David E. Petzal

At no time did the Obama administration’s disconnect from reality shine more brightly than last November, when Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four fellow 9/11 conspirators would be tried in Federal court in lower Manhattan. People who had some grasp of reality pointed out to the A.G. that such a trial would turn lower Manhattan into an armed camp, cost millions which New York did not have, create a backlog of other trials that would take 15 years to clean up, and paint a big bull’s-eye on the Big Apple. The AG snorted and farted and announced that other venues would be considered, although New York was still in the running.

Now I have learned from a friend of mine in Arizona that the BATFE is pulling agents from elsewhere to minutely examine every FFL in that state, looking for evidence that Mexican drug gangs are getting their weapons from FFL dealers in Arizona. Only in the wonderful world that Eric Holder inhabits could such a thing be imagined.

The Mexican drug cartels have unlimited money and unlimited contacts, and buy military weapons on a scale and scope formerly reserved for well funded armies. I have a large picture of an Arizona dealer calling in a NICS check on a dozen 12.7mm heavy machine guns while the Mexican buyer waits impatiently, tapping his foot.

I’m sure that we’re going to hear in the future that Arizona is a “major source of illicit arms” or something along those lines even when nothing is found. For the delusional, all things are possible. And we’re still waiting to hear where the Sheikh will stand before the bar.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The Sheikh is welcome to stand before my bar anytime. It just won't be for very long... KA-BOOM! Flop...

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Well Mr. Obama stated in one of his books that he would, "always side with the Muslims." Looks like he is standing by his words and beliefs in more ways than one. He would naturally want a fellow believer to have full advantage of due process under our court system, no matter the cost. As far as cost goes Mr. Obama certainly spares none. Taking Air Force One on dinner dates, taking everyone and everything including the kitchen sink to G20. One would assume the enlightened have a right to such if you pay attention to BHO.

Gun dealers will always be the root of evil for the leftists no matter what. Spin is a part of all political dogma these days no matter which side of the fence you reside on but it seem more important to the party in power. No doubt the microscope has been turned on Arizona for their refusal to bow down to the ruling party. I hope Arizona continues to say, "No Marse Barack, we won't back down."

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sounds like Eric Holder and Chicago Mayor "Dick" Daley get together for weekly strategy meetings. Brilliant ideas abound in their fantasy world.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Beekeeper remember a couple of weeks ago I talked about a conspiracy and race war and asked if I was dreaming or not and you said I was dreaming or at least overly worried? Well I'm still dreaming and more concearned than I was then.

Will this regime stop at anything?
Can we say DICTATOR yet?

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dcast,

We are a long, long way from a Dictator. What we have done to ourselves is allow one party to rule absolutely and our system of checks and balances has been disturbed.

Mr. Obama is effite no doubt and is an intellectual and political snob as are his cabinet men and handlers.

I still believe that there is no "conspiracy" as you define it and we are not barreling towards a "race war".

As the gap between have and have nots expands we will continue to see tension. Take your concern to the polls this fall and vote the $@&#!$#& out!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wouldn't it be far easier to obtain the serial numbers from the captured weapons and back trace them!

O" Didn't you get the memo, all the weapons and ammunition are coming not from the private sector, but the Government including overseas!

When I was Director fo r High Power Competition for the Tanana Valley Sportsmen Association, I found out all our previous DCM ammo went south of the border. So who's funding who, GO FIGURE!

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from MJC wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

DP: Informative post, thanks.

My fellow commenters:
I'm not saying I like Obama or agree with him on much but this 'regime' and 'dictator' talk makes no sense.

If you can call your leader a dictator in a public forum and not have the secret police banging down your door and hauling you off to a gulag or mass grave, then that leader is not a dictator. If you don't believe me strike up a conversation with some old Russians or Cambodians... if you can find any.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The ridiculous thing about firearms that are sold -ANYWHERE including AZ- is that if the sale is a legal sale with a NICS check (and go ahead) and the corresponding 4473 properly filed - THE FEDS OK'D IT. Maybe Holder should look at the federal employees OK'ing the sales if these are serial numbers that are turning up in the wrong hands. So guess what? It's then EITHER a rogue dealer who cares more about $$$ than the serial number/paper trail, or it's an individual who sold it. I don't see how that is an AZ specific issue. Does Holder think AZ has more than it's share of illegal dealers and improper private sales?

I believe he will try to make it appear as such. If he can trip up honest dealers with any kind of infractions he'll gladly do that too. I wonder how many FFL's will be pulled in AZ? Less dealers, less armed citizens. Less LEGALLY armed people.....

Reality: If the Mexican drug gangs have the money that we believe they do, weapons would be far cheaper in the quantities they need on the open world market than trying to by them at retail in small numbers from the US.

As I am entering this I hear the AZ judge just blocked the key parts of the state immigration law.

Let me get this straight. The Feds want less gun traffic, less crime, but they knock down a law that will toughen up things. The leadership in our country is so FUBAR. I agree with Bee. Vote all of em out...

S Ga

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Reminder: The Feds also approved ALL of the banks that failed or were/are propped up by TARP too. What a wonderful track record there. Now is Holder going after any Fed who didn't properly examine or OK bank operations?????? I bet not.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Maybe "Dictator" is a little overboard! How about Supreme Legislator? Also they are trying to gain control of internet and other media sources, so gulags may not be far away!

This coupled with the UN Small Arms Treaty sounds like a push to disarm everyone. If they do this to AZ they will do it to every state.

With the ongoing tention between our congress, AZ, Tea Party,Black Panthers, and all the racial claims being thrown around unchallenged is making it volatile which is putting race against race. Maybe not race war but definite race issues are arising and more will as this BS goes on especially when the Prez. and his officials continue to throw gasoline on the flames.

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from uplander12 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

the Sheikh needs to stand in front of the B.A.R.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Shiiiiiat

I was gonna start and man was I gonna unload
But F k it ,. Im busy today like most days
tying to help clients recover from Boy George and the hunter along with "Scooter" ,.. "Brownnie" and the other patriots

IMH and concidered O it would make sence to clear large blockages ,pror to pontificanting about anything other than fact

A good beginning would be to start by embarking on high fiber diet followed immediatly with 3 or four quarts of muselix.
Which would cure one problem by elimination of giant A$$ed blockages in lower colon

Whcih would also hopefully elimiate the gas build up cause by said blockages fuzzuing the brain there by minimizing additonal and exponential delusional thinking,..

IE: The longer your full of it ( in this case apparntly 50 some years ) the harder it is to clear your head

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, what IS an improper private sale in this country?? Long guns can be sold without any paperwork or background checks in most parts of this country, so what would an improper sale be? The reality is that the seller can sell it to anyone. Whether gun owners want to hear it or not, this is how criminals end up getting guns in this country at least. It's as simple as buying candy. The only people required to follow any gun regulation are dealers. Once the guns are in private hands the trail ends and people can sell them to the highest bidder or anyone else they want.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo SL,
So what's your brilliant suggestion?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

So Yohan,

What is your suggestion for recovery from the perilous times we have experienced the past several years spanning a couple of administrations?

Inquiring minds would like to know. I took an enormous George and wiped my Barack, so I'm ready to hear what you have to say about recovery!

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from hi_tail wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Don't even get me started on the tenets of our king and his court..... Some elitists wipe their bottoms with silk or currency; our elected elitists' towelette of choice is the U.S. Constitution. Come on baby, bring on NOV 2nd!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bottom line~!

The Obama Administration does not want the serial number of the Mexican captured weapons released!

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from Logan C. Adams wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I am a firm believer that KSM should be tried in North Dakota, where I live, during the winter. After all, not only would any escape force him to try and survive out here on the tundra, but it would also mean the greatest hunting season ever!

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Why's that Clay-- are the afraid it will come right back to our military???

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

An improper private sale is one when the seller KNOWINGLY aids and abets a criminal, or sells a firearm to someone you know is using it for a criminal act OR someone that you know is a convicted felon(i.e, brother convicted of child abuse and diagnosed w/mental problems). Just because you aren't adding to the paper trail of 4473's does that absolve you from criminal liability and negligence, if not even being a party, a conspirator to the crime.

Just because you can sell to a person who asks no questions, and no NICS check is involved, does that make you scot-free of any wrongdoing. Ignorance is not your best defense in front of twelve jurors of your brother's trial. You know, when brother goes postal and abducts a child, then escalates the event with the old Enfield you sold him by shooting the cops coming to get the child......

Food for thought.

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yo yo is too busy to write schlock. What a break for us all. Ya know, yo, if you ever came up with a plausible solution, other than blame Bush, or had any glimmering of truth in any of your prevarications, you might get a little more respect. However, that would take more intelligence than you have previously shown you possess.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

We already had the media report that 90% of guns found at Mex. crime scenes came from the US,then the actual number turned out to be 17%, using US gov. numbers.
This latest BS will turn into an attempt at another "assault weapons" ban, more gun control, registration of all firearms, or something worse.
Clay is correct, a large number of the guns the cartels use likely came from the US military,remember how many different countries we were in as "advisors" etc. in South America. How many of these guns are from former Soviet Bloc countries? Or the Middle East (remember the Iran Contra thing?)
AZ FFLs do not sell shoulder fired missiles,grenade launchers,mortars,etc. Mex. cartels are not getting their weapons from AZ gun shops.

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Back on subject, as has been previously pointed out, all FFL sellers must use the NCIS background check, and fill out a 4473. That means the Feds have already approved the sale. However, 4473s that are not filled out as specified are a violation. Example- some dealers will tell you that you cannot us an abbreviation for the state
when you fill out the form. I'm sure that such inconsequential details will be what the BATF will be focusing on. Remember, their motto is "Think forfeiture."

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from GregMc wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Beekeeper,

Obama never said he would "always side with the Muslims."
You can have any political viewpoint you want and discuss it freely as is your constitutional right, but blatant misrepresentation of the facts is nothing more than propaganda, a tool used by many of varying political viewpoints to damage legitimate governments. You may not like it or agree with it, but have no doubt, this is a legitimately elected government.
For more info about what he actually said in his book, try this,http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

this is the government's way of going after az for the laws they enacted that unfairly target those who are here illegally. how dare they mistreat criminals and not think the government won't step in to rescue the poor bastards! you only have a right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness if you break laws in this country and aim to destroy the whole place. it's time we learned that, i guess. i can't believe holder and geithner aren't in prison themselves but i guess i shouldn't be suprised.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think the trial should be in Nancy Pelosi's back yard in San Fransisco. The speaker of the house needs a distraction, plus that will put the bulls eye on the left coast away from our fearless leader. All the gold's in California anyway oh no wait aren't they still broke? Maybe have it in Arizona. Wonder if they would guard the border then?

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

dukillr,

Maybe what SL would do if he were able to - is make more gun laws. Hell, doing it(private sale to criminals) already constitutes an offense. We don't enforce things that already cover it. If it were expressly and specifically against the law, would everyone heed it? Law abiding citizens, no problem. Criminals? I can see it play out now....

MS-13 gangsta: Yo, ese, I better not sell you tha gun, homes...That new law man....

Hezbollah operative, posing as an exchange student: You are right my brother. Allah would be displeased with me....

So the answer is definitely more laws.....right.

S Ga

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Eric Holder was probably a competent staff attorney in the DOJ before his appointment as Attorney General. At that point, he became a political stooge with no decision-making authority.
Whenever and wherever the sheikh will stand trial is something that will be decided by the White House, and Eric Holder will make the announcement.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I just got slammd ,. meaning it wouldnt take,..

Just as well I guess
stepped smartly,. on some fuzzy geezer toes .

No more time ,. meeting a woman with a caboose the likes of which makes me forget temporarily most of the spewed genius by a few ,

So "Herr" WAM and dkkiller ,. the soultion is J O B's
Were on the way but the legacy left us from a prevous 8 years ( nien danke anymore ) is a giant economic hangover that is slow to go .and it aint from shnapps.

Its from an infinite well of evil and the never ending attempt by one (class) to control another or get free from another,.

Nothin new,.. been goin on as long as money and power raised and trained armys,. baught land and weapons ,vinigar, olive oil, food, wine and women.
Things I seem to remember dimly.

Just that the weapons of war are diffent now.
Aside from the conventional wars we are told we need to fight,. which is total BS,. its banks and polttitians.,.. using global fiantial manipulation
to achive wealth transfers unparalled in hisory ,..

Insted of horses swords and bows,.. and rivers of blood. running in the farm fields and ditches of the Spainish coutryside ,the sewers of France or the meadows of Britton.

Its now finacial blood running in the canyons of wall street and other finacial districts.
And as usual its not the blood of the Kings and Senitors the generals,. the army in the rear
and or those who hold certain purse strings.

Its as old and as the copery taste of fear before battle,. as old as dried blood on the short sword or the bayonet.
Its the far right and the far left or the Chatholic against protistant,.the Muslem against christain or the Moores in Spain .

It is the eternal pi$$ing contest for power and control ,. with those in the middle always the ones getting wet .

And what constatly amzes me is the ease with which both diamtrically oposed sides manage to enlist and brain wash so much of the middle.

It occurrd to me this afternoon
that sometimes ( to borrowe a title and use it as a phrase)
i see this through a glass darkly .

Same game,. different rules different cloths,.different time.

But it seems to me the smell of greed evil is the same as it was ,.. a century or six ago .

am I the only one ?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,
Yea and nobody has addressed the much more serious fact that last week North Korea has threatened nuclear attack on us if we continue with the military exercise with South Korea.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

It creeps me out that someone younger and dumber than me occupies the WH and appoints people like Holder.

And it frustrates me that I forgot my previous commitments and actually started reading Yohan's post... I caught myself after the second or third mental cringe and got outta there!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo

Your only solution is JOBS?

The government can't create jobs and wealth by printing worthless currency. The private sector is where that starts.

So please explain how the current administation's course is going to fix that. Adding burdens on business and raising taxes aren't going to fix it. So go back to telling us about big butted German women and drinking scotch if you can't do better than that! LOL

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from green pond mike wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I guess the last four posts are what you would call blog spam. There's got to be a better way to screen these folks before they can get on the blog.

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from freeparking wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Arizona is getting some Chicago style governance. We rack up debt to pay for it.

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

duk, I don't think we want to know or use any of SL's suggestions.
Carney, again you hit that nail on the head. Yohan seems to love to hit keys with no accuracy.
Dave, is there any way to block this invasion of the sales bloggers who are wasting space and gumming up this fine site?

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dear Mr. Petzl,

You write knowledgeable informative articles about guns, you have a deep and thorough understanding of all things with a barrel and what goes in them. You should stick to what you know.

I know you get out and about in the real world a lot in all your travels and you've probably met a lot of people that know a heck of a lot more than you do about current events and politics. Writing about things you don't understand is always hard, stick to guns.

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

It truly is sad that articles about gun rights and seem to get more responses that articles about conservation. Witness the reply count of this article vs. the 'Best Wild Places' article. IMO most people are far too quick to start screaming hysterically about their rights and far too slow (he he, pun?) to have a discussion about responsibilities.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

No, rock rat, that wasn't condescending at all. Not at all.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, it would be interested to see how many private sellers have been prosecuted for selling a gun unknowingly to the wrong person. Since no background checks are required, how is the seller to know if the buyer is a felon or not? Lots of these types of sales occur at gun shows, many that require NO background checks for private sellers and many other places. A good many of these guns have eventually been found in criminal acts. Many gun owners don't like to hear this, but I guess the truth hurts some people sometimes. I on the otherhand am rational enough to see the reality of it all.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

sjsmarais,
Not to be crass, but gun rights articles are just more interesting than conservation articles. We may agree (for the most part) with the conservation pieces but its a lot more lively and intriguing to have a discussion about gun rights, rather than just everyone going on the conservation article and saying "Good point." "I agree with the other guys." "We need to do something." ...etc.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,
Hard stats, please. How many guns from gun shows have been used in violent crimes?

And enough with the hubris.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Hubris? I can see the gun issue from both sides, while YOU obviously can't. If that is hubris to you, then that's YOUR problem and not mine.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Really? Well I haven't seen you post anything today from OUR side (as in, pro gun rights), so I'm not so sure about that.

Again, give me stats and sources.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If these folks were around during WWII they would all be considered flag-burning traitors and run out of town on a rail - after being tarred and feathered.

Unfortunately, those good citizens who always look for a handout have placed them in the White House...for now.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

To rock rat: Thank you for the kind words. And so, that I may become a wiser person, would you be kind enough to tell us all, specifically, where my understanding falls short in this post?

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Duckkillr, I hear you. How about a request, that everyone who enjoys venting would also join Ducks Unlimited/Trout Unlimited/Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation? Then back to the keyboards!

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from 86Ram wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Holder, Napolitano and O need to lay off the wacky weed and peyote and get a grip on this immigration law/reform and back the US Citizens wanting more enforcement and a larger more active Law Enforcement presence on the the border.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Rock Rat --- Back under your rock!

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

You partially made my case there. Ok, do ALL guns sold in private parking lot transactions wind up in crimes? No, probably not. If a law-abiding citizen did not KNOWINGLY transfer a gun to a convicted felon, in other words the law-abiding seller asks all the right questions, makes copies of a bill of sale and gets the buyers info, as well as the buyer misrepresenting himself as not a felon, and OK to make the transaction, well HE(buyer felon) has broken the law - seller has not. Now will more laws make the felon/criminal obey more, or will the law-abiding citizen obey more. Sure, the citizen at the expense of freedom. My point is that criminals have been (and will be) disobeying laws since the concept of laws was invented, and will adding to the stack of laws make the system better, when we already have multiple statutes that can cover these situations. How much more against the law will it have to be to make the Hezbollah sleeper not buy that gun in the gun show parking lot? Answer: IT WON'T MATTER.

Now you are walking through the gun show parking lot with your M-Forgery and your Uber-tacticool carry bag that you are considering selling. Your credit card balance is crushing you, and your other bills are piling up too. A questionable looking person of another nationality asks in broken English what you are selling. You show him, he offers you $500 more than what you have in everything for the whole kit. You rapidly do the deal no questions asked and count your money. A couple months later this comes back to bite you as you see this guy on the news as a synagogue shooter with your gun. Later on that day BATFE knocks on your door, tracking you down from the info on your 4473. Now, are you telling me that you have no legal responsibility there? No negligence? The jury of 12 will weigh it accordingly.

Respectfully,
S Ga

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Already a member of DU, sjsmarais.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, the reality is that there have been MORE questionable sales made to good ole American folks than there has been to folks of other nationalities who then have used them in crimes. BATF shouldn't wait for these sales to foreign looking folks. Plenty are made to American folks and they rarely come knocking on the sellers door. In many cases the trail of the gun ends nowhere since it has probably changed hands numerous times in a private sale and the original owner by then is completely off the hook. Any other owner who subsequently sold it again will never be pinned down.

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Duckkillr, I thought you might be but your username caused some doubt :-)

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Still waiting for the stats, SL...

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from Quahog wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

" If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed "
---------Benjamin Franklin

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

First things first. I have actually +1'd you on all your entries so don't get the idea I'm hating on you. I am enjoying our back & forth, since I believe it is an important sub-issue of the main issue DEP brought up.

I think we are both trying to get to the same place on different paths. Would you agree closing the gaps in immigration and enforcing existing law to the fullest extent would make things better. How many illegals that cross over are also felons? How many are drug-related. How many are armed, or would desire to be?

While I fervently believe gun ownership is a guaranteed right, I also believe it comes with responsibility. Unfortunately, that's something you can legislate to death, and still not plug all the holes. And in the end, you by legislating it to death you start to deny freedoms to law abiding citizens. How many people buy vehicles and never bother to get insurance? Having a vehicle isn't even a right. How about states issuing drivers licenses to illegals? It's all a slippery slope. We as a country have our priorities skewed. It doesn't help that our 'leadership' of whatever party affiliation has largely let us down too.

S Ga

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

With immigration the solution is really quite simple. If employers didn't hire illegals like they aren't supposed to, you wouldn't have such an uncontrolled influx like we currently have. If these illegals knew they wouldn't be able to find work here, they wouldn't come in droves like they currently are. I see very few employers getting prosecuted for hiring illegals. Republicans mostly blame illegals, when republican businessmen are the ones who want the cheap labor and the cause of much of this problem. First let's solve the legalities here with our citizens who are breaking the labor laws, then we could start thinking about how we handle the ones that do come in illegally.

Gun ownership IS a right with lots of responsibility. Heck, I hear hunters and shooters all the time talking how other hunters and shooters are slobs, poachers, completely careless with firearms. When we can't even trust fellow gun owners, what in the world would make you think the rest of the non-gunowning public should?? Like they don't see plenty of gun violence in this nation to have suspicions of people with guns?? If we don't take more effective steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, we will all suffer for it. As they say a few bad apples spoil it for everyone. Actually the scenario you brought up about the foreign gun buyers will probably be the breaking point of gun ownership in this country. Once terrorists are found to have easily bought guns in this country and then wrecked some havoc with them it will be over for ALL gun owners. I have a suspicion that the day is already in the plans somewhere and not far into the future.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

See above...

Actually having a vehicle is a right providing you come by it legally. Driving it is not a right unless you meet the requirements for a license in your locale .

FYI a drivers license can be purchased from certain Arizona DMV locations for about $2,000 - no questions asked - no test given.
A social security card can be purchased in Chicago for about $300.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wam ,. just got slammed again

no go ,. so f it this filter is too namby pamby.

Truth needs the use of cettian words.
I wont beat arond the bush and cetainly not boy George
so Im done for now.

Toooo bad,. that one really would have lit a fire under a few far right small print pps YUK YUK

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Holder's actions (obviously with Obama's knowledge and consent) is nothing more than harrassment of the state of Arizona for enacting an immigration law contrary to the present regime's agenda. Expect more sanctions against the only state with the guts to stand up to the corrupt liberal administration in power who are counting on Hispanic (legal and illegal) votes to keep them in power come November. Typical Chicago politics, which is damn close to a dictatorship. The same BATFE harrassment occurred in Houston, Texas last year against several major gun dealers because three guns used in Mexico crimes were traced back to Houston. That just happened to be the only serial numbers released by Mexican authorities. Anyone on this blog want to doubt that a lot of weapons in the hands of cartel members come from the Mexican military? I, for one, am damn weary of the liberals worrying about hurting Mexico's feelings. Makes me wonder how many of them (politicians included) are on the drug cartel's payroll.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Walt

are they afraid it will come right back to our military?

THEY ARE TERRIFIED! I know first hand Military Surplus ammunition earmarked for the DCM program back in the 80's was diverted south of the border, so why would they change now!

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Glenn Beck said it best,

“Quite honestly, I never understood the free love, smoking dope, having sex in the mud, Woodstock hippies, then. I don’t understand them now. But that’s who’s running our country now. Personally I liked them better when they were in the mud naked having sex than running our country.”

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I continue to marvel at the administration's naivete and focus of smokescreen issues. I patiently await 2012 and the possibility of a return to reality. We have a local (Chicago) mindset in a office of national and global responsibility. I'd say we have seen the Peter Principle in action. Let no one say America is not the land of opportunity. Where else can academics and theorists rise to national prominence with impunity?

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yahoooo

As a concervative liberal im so unimpressed by Glen Beck I cant actually remember what he says from one time to the next. Typical far right giberish

But I got news for ya ,. two rather well known
pretty concervstive republicans I know prosonally,.
who are as we speak in elected positions and in the busines of politics .
Who according to them were so stoned all through woodstock that sex in the mud,. would have been a trip back to reality, especially if they had known who they were having sex with .

And those two shining examples of the G O P
mentality are running things now in a big cities.
Which shall remain nameless,.to protect the innocent and the stupidity of youth .

Like a bunch of old women with nothing better to do ,.

I wouldnt let Glenn Beck hold my Bubble Gum ,.
while I took a leak at a ball game.
and now that you bring it up whats the word on ole Rush .
Hear that veagas betting lines had his heart going put put sputter put,. after 6 moths on the the "make it bigger" so you can see it with out a mirror majic roamance pills yuk yuk

Hope this one makes it last two didnt

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

NO JOKE ED!

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
-Daniel Webster

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yohan

I wouldn't let you hold my gum either, LOL! Don't know were they’ve been!

CRACK ME UP!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yohan, if you was stuck in the middle of BFE in the dead of winter and some fella drove up in the worst looking truck with a 12,000 pound winch, would you turn him down?

“Australian Leadership elites in politics, the bureaucracy, academia, big business, the churches and the media have effectively cut themselves adrift from the interests of majority of Australians. Many have betrayed the trust of the people they are supposed to represent.

As part of this process the elites, while they may mouth concern for the country, have given up thinking in terms of the national interest to pursue an internationalist agenda. This agenda is eroding the foundations of our nation and marginalising the majority, which has less and less say in its destiny.

The bulk of the media, charged with a watchdog role in the public interest, have become active agents in this process. Academics, artists and others who are supposed to be independent-minded have become propagandists and intellectually corrupt hirelings.”
-Graeme Campbell and Mark Uhlmann

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay Cooper

What about all the M-16, M-1, M-14,and all the other firearms the US miliary sent to South American countries?
Don't you think some of those are the guns used by Mex. cartels?

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from Zermoid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

My question is at what point did the US Federal Government, an entity made by the consent of our SOVERGN states, become able to order around the states which created it?

The inmates are running the asylum I tell ya!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Ohio, what do you thing all that ammo was for!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The Politicians are corrupt and I'm convinced arms and ammunition given to the Mexican and other Governments wound up in the hands of bad guys!

When I was working with/assisting the Sheriffs Department in Arizona, the AK47's was not of US origin, they were full blown Kalashnikov's and even the FBI agents I was talking to verified it, so go figure!

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Thinking that states are sovereign is a nice thought, but a complete fallacy, and it always has been. We fought a civil war once because of a few states who wanted to be completely sovereign and I am sure the government would think even less of it these days. It was another nice theory by the guys with wigs 230 + years ago, but the world has evolved into a completely different place where the theory doesn't apply.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Jeez, Yo

Sounds like you lost your meds or something? Sorry, dude.

WMH

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,
Going back to your omniscient vision of the gun rights situation, where did you get your gun show info from? We're waiting.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Truthfully clay I think now after years of reading between your lines,. your heart and soul are in the right place.
You just got your political compass reversed with out knowing.
A lab is lab ,. call it a lamma all dam day and its still a lab ,.. even if lab thinks its a lamma .
No fight with you your 03-a3 ness : )

But I don't get stuck Clay ,. and if I do ,. there is already a contigent plan to be executed by a couple liberal Norsk geniuses yuk yuk ,who my Germasn fiends fondly refer to as the jews of the north .. and a couple good buddies whos immidiate liniage dates directly back to Isreal

If you wanna know who NOT to f k with ?? ,.
these are the ones yuk yuk.
Even my goombodies steer cleear of that bunch.

We all; came up the hard way on the streets and at tims under fire befiore we were 14
They watch my back as close I watch theirs,

What aditionally REALLY pi$$es me off are the cry babay pi$$ aunt RIGHT FIGHTERS trying to shove the right shoe on the left foot.THEN TAKE CREDIT FOR WHAT THE LEFT FOOT DOES
Did i say,.. that REEEEALT pi$$es me off ?? !!!yuk yuk

It so fuc^ing rediculous I start to laugh .

And WAM ,. I dont take meds ( no meds) ,.. yuk yuk
Aside from a couple fingers of average priced scotch
(the good stuff is lost on me) here and there so's I can maintain my good g dam dispositiion and dont call my Hoy Vey buddies to go around town looking for little sh^t faced crm lookaliks to use as a puck for lively game of street Hocky YUK YUK

Ah ya tomorrow is another day ,. we'll keep fighting on this end.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo, WENT YO! YO! on us!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

He spelled "geniuses" right. I'm shocked.

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yo yo's last bit of trollish schlock made even less sense than his usual horse hockey hoopla*. I am amazed that he spelled anything right. Probably a misprint. Still waiting for those solutions, yo, from your left-out mind. Maybe when you pull your head out of the bottle of Hoppe's #9 and airplane glue?
*Hoopla-speech or writing intended to mislead or to obscure an issue.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Don't get me started!

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay....you let me down with the Glenn Beck comment. The guy is an idiot. Great points otherwise!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

We already know the Admin's priorities are nuts. As for AZ, I won't speak for the FFLs but I know I've heard the ones I shop at state they won't sell multiple AR-looking semiautos to the same customer.

We all in AZ know where Mexican cartels get their guns. They get them from the Mexican army, who get them from the US military as part of the "war on.." (fill in the blank). But you can't tell a liberal that they're not coming from Arizona because a liberal would have to know the difference between a Chinese AK, an M-16 with a burst and auto selector intact, an RPG, a fragmentation grenade, versus anything you can actually purchase in Arizona.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bookie12

All due respect, for anyone to say Glenn Beck is an idiot has no clue about God and Country, The Constitution, The Bill Of Rights and the History Of the United States just to name a few. It takes the understanding of all of this and how it relates to each other and makes it for what it is!

To know and to understand this and to hear someone say Glenn Beck say the guy is an idiot, tells me there intellectual level.

Bookie, suggest you rethink what you said, just because the Man has a bad past, he surely made a 180 changing it!

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Another +1 Clay for the comments on Bookie. As for Yohan, seems his younger days were spent on LSD. Nothing BUT yuk yuk.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Grenades, dynamite and fully auto's isle 5 at Wal-Mart!

Stupid Administration trying to pull a fast one they are!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Proof once again our fight to keep gun ownership is never secured...get involved ,and VOTE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Be nice on Brother Yohan, he may not be having a good day.

Yohan, you ok, seriously!

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from green pond mike wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The four posts that ARE NOW above my last post is not what I was commenting on--they were deleted. They were advertisments of some sort. Don't go thinking that I was picking on you good folk. I just made a comment on what I saw and now it isn't there. Guess I need to be more careful.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I got allot to say, some don't even like Newt Gingrich. But if he would run for President, you're damn right I would vote for him!

Sure, people Moosed up to the umpteen degree, but when they have the know how and drive to fix this Nation, do we judge them by something that is minuscule to what they can do? If a asteroid was heading for Earth, the Fella who volunteers to give his or her life to pilot the space craft to plant the nuke on it, we deny that person because of some foolish thing they done?

GIT REAL FOOL!

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay maybe the military warped our minds because I too find Glen Beck to be an intelligent man, he did have a torrid past but a 180 brought him back and I find his shows to be full of useful information. To the idea of getting checked for selling guns- Several years ago about 30 I was the president of our Little League Baseball program and bought a Remington 870 to chance off to raise much needed funds. The treasurer registered the firearm to himself and we raffled the gun off. The treasurer showed up at my house about 25 years later and asked me if I could remember who won the firearm. He advised me the FBI had contacted him and the firearm had been used in a homiside and he was the one the gun was registered to. I contacted the FBI and got the situtation taken care of, but that let a lot of people realize to be careful when dealing with firearms.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Homicide wasn't thinking.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Odd but I can't seem to locate anyone who voted for BHO even in the states he easily carried.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

“Logical consequences are the scarecrows of fools and the beacons of wise men.”
-Thomas Henry Huxley (1825 - 1895)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Come on out to Western Washington. There are more Obama stickers now than before the election. Some came out of the closet! Ha Ha

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

GregMc,

I deny no one their constitutional rights.

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Reading between the lines? Perhaps, but his beliefs in my opinion are thinly veiled.

Just what has caused us to look at our Islamic neighbors with suspicion? I'll answer that with a question. Have you seen any other recognized religious faith attacking our citizens and symbols of our country with repetition?

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Oh,

As to Snopes... It is run by two leftist liberals. While I will utilize them for a quick check on things I prefer to utilize more than one source of reference and make my own decisions.

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

To Jim in nc ;
Wouldn't happen to have a website for W.B.Place, would you ?

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from yohan wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Mr Cooper ,. thank you for your concern ,. : )

Yesterday wasnt what you'd call one of my signatuire days ,.. Lost a few bucks early in the day,.
tried two or three times to offer soultions or at least address econimic issues in this venue but they bounced.

I dont give a fly f about the cry babys worring about who gonna talke my toys and f with my second ammendment because the answer is no one will .
I REPEAT THERE IS TOO MUCH F G MONEY IN GUNS ,.They might make it look like one thing but it aint .

The posts which I sent ( three I think ) wouldnt take likely due to language : ) ansd I also made refrence to certain ethnocentric groups yuk yuk. and the use of the word towel may have also snuk in there which I asume frowned upon ; ) by the language fairy.

Then,. I decided " F it " !! Im taking to people who only look at things ONE way anyway ,. so why waste my time .

Shortly after that I decided to buy somwe stock which made a move,. so I sold it,. made a few bucks and called it a day . Sounds easy right?? It aint !

Don't eat a lot of meat (other than venison) but decided to have a steak,.. on ay home went to buy one ,. ran into the German woman with the world class A^^ who was there buying stuff to bring to my place ,.(dont like suprises never did but OK ) what the "H" right?
( nice jesture) so I paid for what was in the cart ,. and she came over,. Yada, Yada, Yada,.
Before the grilling began nursing a couple BIG scothes
I got thinking about when I was kid

There is a time when most come to a fork in the road. Some (forks) are very evident and some are not,..
When I got there ( to the fork ) ,.the difference was hardly decernable,.and aside from those ( who I am now convinced ) are wacthing over me it could have gone either way ,..

Further down one fork was fast money ( and a lot of it)
and probabaly an early death ,.. the other was a lot of hard work ,. but you tend to make thirty more often in that direction.
,.
Fast forwad ,. I ( yes me big suprise to everyone ) am in college ( fast forward) Im in the Army ,,. (fast forward) Im back in school (fast forward) married starting a business
(fast forward) getting divorced ,. trying to pay for that,.pic nic .
(Fast forward) starting a new business,. which floppps ,. (fast foreward) start another one which is good ,. ) fast foreward start another business ,. both are good,..makin money now !!
fast forward a few more times and here we are.
Funny how few fast forwards we get tho,.. looking back just cant be that many more.

While I am certainly no big shot I am not by any measure in danger of needing food stamps,.
and if the truth were known Im probably a little better off than many,. so then ,.. what the F do i care right ?

Tell ya what ,.. all I want is for the little guy Joe Lunch Bucket,. Mary the waitress ,.. Butch the carpenter ,.and on and on to get a fair shake.
Because aside from my mother ( an educatd woman who taught school ) that is where I came from.
with an imigrant father to boot.

The previous 8 years with Boy George and the hunter allowing ( promoting ) the largest wealth transfer (financial rape ) in recorded hystory ,. of the middle class By the use off shore banks avoiding Billions in tax ,. lop sided tax brakets,. clearly placing the burden of a government at war on those who could least afford it and $4. dollar a gallon gas at the retail pump.
Not to mention a governemnt that depleated the SS fund for no decernable reason other than they could do it

I bet Boy George ,. the hunter john Boehneer ( sp )
and all the other "shining brows" of the G OP P never had one lousy desperat moment in their sugar coated
pablem smeared lives .
Without proof can't say for sure but I would wager significant coin of the realm.
Not one ever worryed about paying the dentist or doctor or even as much as contemplatd ( not going to the doctor when they needed to ) because of finacial strife .
And to steal a few of Mt Petzals choice words.
These are the people and thsoe lik ethem who fingers should be broken such that they can see their way clear to focus on a basic human need and there for IMHO a basic human right in a society as rich as this is .
Rather than sat ohh poopy iof we gve the unwashed masses heat cafre well that might cost me money .
F ing please !!! we are paying double the real cost for health care as it is ,.. and that brother bloggers is from the lips of a well respected raidilogist I have come to know , not to mention by buddy the shrink .

Yet again what the f do I care about who's cold in the winter or eating enough or getting medical care that needs it .

Becase from where I am now which I must admit is a pretty good view .
I can still see back far enough,.. to remember not going to the doctor when I needed to then getting pneumomia taht neary did me in
And one brother nearly dieing becuse of the cost of hospital care.
And finally fear,. of the kind of cold in your soul that settles in when hope starts to get further and further away .

Guys like me get a chance in one place
Only in America boys and girls ,. only in America

I gotta ago ,. but a closing thought,
Bad spending is stupid we all know that cause were still shl@ng deep in what left of it .

Good spending is what pulls us up and out ,
Any one know / rememkber the Roesevelt spending program in the 30 's called ,.. THE CCC camps ,..
Thats good spending ,.Hi seed rail is good spending,. fair tax brakets is good spending ,..
Health care to keep a nation strong is good spending

Good weekend to all.

clinton left us with a balance budget.
8 years later
were f in broke. And the only way to get out of it is to stmulate the economy ,.. we are left with two politicall step chillus called the war in Iraq and Afganistan,.
whch is sucking us dry,. not to mention our little ( whack job ) busddy in Korea.

So unless your militry or a busness that profits from war. Nothing much is going down in your ledger but debt,. bad unproductive no profit debt.
I can't even talk about the human cost to this war because it so sensless ,. it just boggles my mind.

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

See Yohan even makes more sense than Glenn Beck

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Yohan can't even compose a legible sentence, Bookie.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

It was the O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck railing on them and it turned out he, Beck, was the only one that checked the facts and DEFENDED her.

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from Ed J wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Remember that the Clinton budget was balanced on the Dot Com bubble.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Jeeeeze dukkiller
Unaware of your apparent sensitivity to my sentence struture and "pelling" : )
I will endevor not to be the cause of added stress in what appears to be a extreamly stressed existance.

Still,.. if i figured U individually were worth the effort.
I would have had a secretarty , proof it ,. then again for what Im paying her ,. I decided f it,..yuk YUK
Decided to let you suffer the slings and arrows of my alwasy in a hurry spe;;ing and sentence structure.

Howeve as staed .. I will make an effort when and or if I think of it,. and am in the mood ; )

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

To SL:
I think if someone will check the history books, the United States were never set up to be a democracy, but a REPUBLIC. If I am wrong, correct me, but our founding fathers never wanted a situation again like they had with England and provided safeguards so it wouldn't happen. Those safeguards are the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. They do not apply to illegal immigrants.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands; one nation,under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I was taught that throughout my entire public school years. I guess they don't teach the pledge anymore.
I fail to find the word democracy in that pledge, nor mention any other deity of any kind except GOD.
You are right, the world has evolved and changed; that's why so many damn people are trying to get into this country and get out of theirs.
If you don't love this country and what it stands for,are not proud (and grateful) to be an American, have no intention of fighting to preserve our constitution and ALL of the Bill of Rights, then GET THE HELL OUT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! That applies to everyone, including most of the incumbent politicians.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

nash02, I got a fashion for'ya, stand over there with an apple in your mouth and turn sideways!

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from libertyfirst wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

E. Holder is a inexperienced buffoon; exactly like the rest of our least experienced president's cabinet. I pray to God that we can someday recover from the damage this ill-conceived experiment has done. But right now I have better things to think about. I got the barrel for the new rifle I'm building last Friday and I can't wait to start.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

wingshooter54, the United States does not work under Democracy,
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“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
-Thomas Jefferson
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The reason America has flourished is not because of Democracy, it’s called the Constitution!
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"This country will never fail by an outside force. This country will only be destroyed if we destroy ourselves."

“We have to think of something, because the Titanic is going down. We need to save the passengers, that’s what we need to worry about. Let the ship sink if we have to. We have a great plan: It’s called the Constitution, and we’ll build another one.”

“Our faith is down. Our churches are emptying. Do you know why? Because our churches don’t stand for anything anymore.”

“Now who did they blame? World War II and the fascists came in, Adolf Hitler came in, because the Germans looked at the Jewish banker. Then they also looked at, who else? Oh, France. France and Great Britain. They forced them to pay - at our bidding. We, through Woodrow Wilson said, ‘Make ‘em pay. Make ‘em pay.’ And France said ‘Make ‘em pay.’“

_Glenn Beck at the NRA Convention

Bookie12, found your name right under Mindless Gnome!

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from libertyfirst wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

E. Holder is a inexperienced buffoon; exactly like the rest of our least experienced president's cabinet. I pray to God that we can someday recover from the damage this ill-conceived experiment has done. But right now I have better things to think about. I got the barrel for the new rifle I'm building last Friday and I can't wait to start.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck also had the audacity to vilify the Police Office and calling the Police Department stupid. Interesting to note in both case it was Obama is the one who acted foolish and stupidly by not having the facts!

Typical racist and I'm not talking this time about NASCAR! They are so quick to judge pulling the "R" and "P" card so much they don't hesitate to through their very own under the buss!

Glenn Beck sure got allot of mileage on that one! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie12

Seriously Bookie all jokes aside, you know how stupid you look!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

ishawooa, just pulled this off of moveon.org, isn't this crazy or what!

Stand for Democracy

It's time to rescue our government from corporations and lobbyists. Endorse the blueprint to take back our democracy.

Sign the Pledge » (moveon.org)

_________________________________

“And do not forget the petty scoundrels in this regime; note their names, so that none will go free! They should not find it possible, having had their part in these abominable crimes, at the last minute to rally to another flag and then act as if nothing had happened!”
-From the fourth leaflet of the White Rose Resistance in Germany, 1942. Five students and a professor who wrote and distributed the leaflets were executed in 1943.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Jim in Mo

MY BAD!

This was, "MAY I ADD" to what you said!

O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck

GIVE CREDIT DUE TO WHOM IT IS DUE AND THIS +1 IS FOR YOU JIM!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Yohan, buddy, I was looking out for you! Bookie was fawning all over your post and, of course, I didn't want to see him butting in on your current torrid relationship with Ingebrigsten, so I merely injected a small dose of reality to cool him down a touch... ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

dukkillr thanks for beating the tide of ignorance and +1 for you!

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Clay, thats my opinion, im sorry if you dont like it. I am sure there are people that I personally support that you think are idiots. Im not going to call you stupid for that...that is the beauty of choice. You can choose to like or dislike whatever the heck you want, without having to worry about what others think.

To be honest Clay, i dont know nearly as much about this specific issue as you do...thats obvious. I also know that posting "Glenn Beck is an idiot" is completely counter productive to the issue at hand. I apologize for that and shouldnt have posted it. After all I am on here to learn and hear what others have to say (even from you Clay ;-))....not attack people for their opinions. Again I apologize for calling your friend Glenn an idiot and if that offended you personally in any way.

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

to Yohan, i didnt mean to offend you either, i simply meant that you should have your own hour on Fox News just like Glenn Beck....id watch!!

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from firedog11 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Dave no offense but where have all of you been for the last year. Maybe it is because I live in Northern Va.near the cesspool called Washington D.C. but the Washington P%#T, the Washington Examiner and the Washington Times have all printed articles for the last 6 months where the State Dept, the Justice Dept, the Brady kids, Schumer and and other dems and the White House have all claimed loudly and constantly that all weapons in Mexico are coming from the gun dealers and private citizens selling at gun shows/privately. I actually took the stats published from BATF on the guns traced from Mexico and found that less than 1% came from private sellers or US gun dealers. As one wag put it you don't find machine guns, rpgs and the like for sale cheap at gun shows. It is cheaper to get them from Chavez and Castro and other anti American/freedom sources than in the US. Our two Senators Warner and Webb both supported that lying Sotomayer and they will both support the lying Kagan. Boys there is a big push on and out side of Fox News, The Washington Examiner and the Washington Times and blogs like this I don't see this info being reported. Be aware that Kagan has said that blogs like this and your right to speak on them is not protected by the First Amendment. There was a commentary on Glenn Beck by Dana Millbank of the Washington P*^T saying that Beck and others like us on this blog foster violence against the country because we are racist and hate Obama. Yet they ignore the goons at the SEIU, the New Black Panther Party nad the anarchists destroying private property and attacking people who are members of the Tea Party. The SEIU even attacked the home of a man in MD and when the PD arrived they backed off saying they could not handle the crowd, so PD left. That video was posted by Human Events and may be found on You Tube along with the other attacks but you never see this on the mindless media. We may be facing a watershed moment in the history of this country as Pete Stark a dem from Ca said that congress does not have to follow or obey the Constitution. You have been warned and you better keep your powder dry.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie12, WELCOME TO OUR SIDE SIR and a +1!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie one more thing, I learn more from the least of as well as the greatest!

But most of all Sir, you impress me by stepping up to the bar just now instead of those Mindless Gnomes who are souly here just to get the jollies and thrive on character assassination!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

firedog11 speaking of Washington DC and Northern VA, last time I went thru, traffic accident was down in VA near Agnewville and backed up traffic north on I95 all the way past Greenbelt in DC

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

I thought the whole trial in Manhattan, dissing Holder and Obama was pretty over the top. Most productive, tuned in and aware President in a generation and you call him disconected from reality? Might want to run those thoughts by some of your European freinds.

Manhattan has been the setting for other prominent terrorist trials, I can think of no better place, it's not far from the crime scene. I've no idea where the thought of creating a backlog of other trials for 15 years comes from, or turning things into an armed camp? So what if some bankers suffer a traffic jam on the way to their Lear. In America we put criminals on trial. Just the way we have things set up.

The Holder/Arizona/BATFE meme is overworked, if someone in Arizona broke the law bust em. If not they need not worry. Obama was already elected, turns out no one went around collecting guns. The gun grabbing story was back before the election, we have a year and a half of reality to compare it to now.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

To rock rat: Thank you for the kind words. And so, that I may become a wiser person, would you be kind enough to tell us all, specifically, where my understanding falls short in this post?

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The ridiculous thing about firearms that are sold -ANYWHERE including AZ- is that if the sale is a legal sale with a NICS check (and go ahead) and the corresponding 4473 properly filed - THE FEDS OK'D IT. Maybe Holder should look at the federal employees OK'ing the sales if these are serial numbers that are turning up in the wrong hands. So guess what? It's then EITHER a rogue dealer who cares more about $$$ than the serial number/paper trail, or it's an individual who sold it. I don't see how that is an AZ specific issue. Does Holder think AZ has more than it's share of illegal dealers and improper private sales?

I believe he will try to make it appear as such. If he can trip up honest dealers with any kind of infractions he'll gladly do that too. I wonder how many FFL's will be pulled in AZ? Less dealers, less armed citizens. Less LEGALLY armed people.....

Reality: If the Mexican drug gangs have the money that we believe they do, weapons would be far cheaper in the quantities they need on the open world market than trying to by them at retail in small numbers from the US.

As I am entering this I hear the AZ judge just blocked the key parts of the state immigration law.

Let me get this straight. The Feds want less gun traffic, less crime, but they knock down a law that will toughen up things. The leadership in our country is so FUBAR. I agree with Bee. Vote all of em out...

S Ga

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Well Mr. Obama stated in one of his books that he would, "always side with the Muslims." Looks like he is standing by his words and beliefs in more ways than one. He would naturally want a fellow believer to have full advantage of due process under our court system, no matter the cost. As far as cost goes Mr. Obama certainly spares none. Taking Air Force One on dinner dates, taking everyone and everything including the kitchen sink to G20. One would assume the enlightened have a right to such if you pay attention to BHO.

Gun dealers will always be the root of evil for the leftists no matter what. Spin is a part of all political dogma these days no matter which side of the fence you reside on but it seem more important to the party in power. No doubt the microscope has been turned on Arizona for their refusal to bow down to the ruling party. I hope Arizona continues to say, "No Marse Barack, we won't back down."

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dcast,

We are a long, long way from a Dictator. What we have done to ourselves is allow one party to rule absolutely and our system of checks and balances has been disturbed.

Mr. Obama is effite no doubt and is an intellectual and political snob as are his cabinet men and handlers.

I still believe that there is no "conspiracy" as you define it and we are not barreling towards a "race war".

As the gap between have and have nots expands we will continue to see tension. Take your concern to the polls this fall and vote the $@&#!$#& out!

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from MJC wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

DP: Informative post, thanks.

My fellow commenters:
I'm not saying I like Obama or agree with him on much but this 'regime' and 'dictator' talk makes no sense.

If you can call your leader a dictator in a public forum and not have the secret police banging down your door and hauling you off to a gulag or mass grave, then that leader is not a dictator. If you don't believe me strike up a conversation with some old Russians or Cambodians... if you can find any.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

It creeps me out that someone younger and dumber than me occupies the WH and appoints people like Holder.

And it frustrates me that I forgot my previous commitments and actually started reading Yohan's post... I caught myself after the second or third mental cringe and got outta there!

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

We already had the media report that 90% of guns found at Mex. crime scenes came from the US,then the actual number turned out to be 17%, using US gov. numbers.
This latest BS will turn into an attempt at another "assault weapons" ban, more gun control, registration of all firearms, or something worse.
Clay is correct, a large number of the guns the cartels use likely came from the US military,remember how many different countries we were in as "advisors" etc. in South America. How many of these guns are from former Soviet Bloc countries? Or the Middle East (remember the Iran Contra thing?)
AZ FFLs do not sell shoulder fired missiles,grenade launchers,mortars,etc. Mex. cartels are not getting their weapons from AZ gun shops.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

dukillr,

Maybe what SL would do if he were able to - is make more gun laws. Hell, doing it(private sale to criminals) already constitutes an offense. We don't enforce things that already cover it. If it were expressly and specifically against the law, would everyone heed it? Law abiding citizens, no problem. Criminals? I can see it play out now....

MS-13 gangsta: Yo, ese, I better not sell you tha gun, homes...That new law man....

Hezbollah operative, posing as an exchange student: You are right my brother. Allah would be displeased with me....

So the answer is definitely more laws.....right.

S Ga

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,
Hard stats, please. How many guns from gun shows have been used in violent crimes?

And enough with the hubris.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Walt

are they afraid it will come right back to our military?

THEY ARE TERRIFIED! I know first hand Military Surplus ammunition earmarked for the DCM program back in the 80's was diverted south of the border, so why would they change now!

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Glenn Beck said it best,

“Quite honestly, I never understood the free love, smoking dope, having sex in the mud, Woodstock hippies, then. I don’t understand them now. But that’s who’s running our country now. Personally I liked them better when they were in the mud naked having sex than running our country.”

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo, WENT YO! YO! on us!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

To SL:
I think if someone will check the history books, the United States were never set up to be a democracy, but a REPUBLIC. If I am wrong, correct me, but our founding fathers never wanted a situation again like they had with England and provided safeguards so it wouldn't happen. Those safeguards are the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. They do not apply to illegal immigrants.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands; one nation,under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I was taught that throughout my entire public school years. I guess they don't teach the pledge anymore.
I fail to find the word democracy in that pledge, nor mention any other deity of any kind except GOD.
You are right, the world has evolved and changed; that's why so many damn people are trying to get into this country and get out of theirs.
If you don't love this country and what it stands for,are not proud (and grateful) to be an American, have no intention of fighting to preserve our constitution and ALL of the Bill of Rights, then GET THE HELL OUT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! That applies to everyone, including most of the incumbent politicians.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The Sheikh is welcome to stand before my bar anytime. It just won't be for very long... KA-BOOM! Flop...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

So Yohan,

What is your suggestion for recovery from the perilous times we have experienced the past several years spanning a couple of administrations?

Inquiring minds would like to know. I took an enormous George and wiped my Barack, so I'm ready to hear what you have to say about recovery!

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from hi_tail wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Don't even get me started on the tenets of our king and his court..... Some elitists wipe their bottoms with silk or currency; our elected elitists' towelette of choice is the U.S. Constitution. Come on baby, bring on NOV 2nd!

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Why's that Clay-- are the afraid it will come right back to our military???

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yo yo is too busy to write schlock. What a break for us all. Ya know, yo, if you ever came up with a plausible solution, other than blame Bush, or had any glimmering of truth in any of your prevarications, you might get a little more respect. However, that would take more intelligence than you have previously shown you possess.

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Back on subject, as has been previously pointed out, all FFL sellers must use the NCIS background check, and fill out a 4473. That means the Feds have already approved the sale. However, 4473s that are not filled out as specified are a violation. Example- some dealers will tell you that you cannot us an abbreviation for the state
when you fill out the form. I'm sure that such inconsequential details will be what the BATF will be focusing on. Remember, their motto is "Think forfeiture."

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Eric Holder was probably a competent staff attorney in the DOJ before his appointment as Attorney General. At that point, he became a political stooge with no decision-making authority.
Whenever and wherever the sheikh will stand trial is something that will be decided by the White House, and Eric Holder will make the announcement.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo

Your only solution is JOBS?

The government can't create jobs and wealth by printing worthless currency. The private sector is where that starts.

So please explain how the current administation's course is going to fix that. Adding burdens on business and raising taxes aren't going to fix it. So go back to telling us about big butted German women and drinking scotch if you can't do better than that! LOL

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from 86Ram wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Holder, Napolitano and O need to lay off the wacky weed and peyote and get a grip on this immigration law/reform and back the US Citizens wanting more enforcement and a larger more active Law Enforcement presence on the the border.

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from Quahog wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

" If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed "
---------Benjamin Franklin

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Holder's actions (obviously with Obama's knowledge and consent) is nothing more than harrassment of the state of Arizona for enacting an immigration law contrary to the present regime's agenda. Expect more sanctions against the only state with the guts to stand up to the corrupt liberal administration in power who are counting on Hispanic (legal and illegal) votes to keep them in power come November. Typical Chicago politics, which is damn close to a dictatorship. The same BATFE harrassment occurred in Houston, Texas last year against several major gun dealers because three guns used in Mexico crimes were traced back to Houston. That just happened to be the only serial numbers released by Mexican authorities. Anyone on this blog want to doubt that a lot of weapons in the hands of cartel members come from the Mexican military? I, for one, am damn weary of the liberals worrying about hurting Mexico's feelings. Makes me wonder how many of them (politicians included) are on the drug cartel's payroll.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I continue to marvel at the administration's naivete and focus of smokescreen issues. I patiently await 2012 and the possibility of a return to reality. We have a local (Chicago) mindset in a office of national and global responsibility. I'd say we have seen the Peter Principle in action. Let no one say America is not the land of opportunity. Where else can academics and theorists rise to national prominence with impunity?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

NO JOKE ED!

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
-Daniel Webster

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from Zermoid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

My question is at what point did the US Federal Government, an entity made by the consent of our SOVERGN states, become able to order around the states which created it?

The inmates are running the asylum I tell ya!

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from crm3006 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yo yo's last bit of trollish schlock made even less sense than his usual horse hockey hoopla*. I am amazed that he spelled anything right. Probably a misprint. Still waiting for those solutions, yo, from your left-out mind. Maybe when you pull your head out of the bottle of Hoppe's #9 and airplane glue?
*Hoopla-speech or writing intended to mislead or to obscure an issue.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

We already know the Admin's priorities are nuts. As for AZ, I won't speak for the FFLs but I know I've heard the ones I shop at state they won't sell multiple AR-looking semiautos to the same customer.

We all in AZ know where Mexican cartels get their guns. They get them from the Mexican army, who get them from the US military as part of the "war on.." (fill in the blank). But you can't tell a liberal that they're not coming from Arizona because a liberal would have to know the difference between a Chinese AK, an M-16 with a burst and auto selector intact, an RPG, a fragmentation grenade, versus anything you can actually purchase in Arizona.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Yohan can't even compose a legible sentence, Bookie.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sounds like Eric Holder and Chicago Mayor "Dick" Daley get together for weekly strategy meetings. Brilliant ideas abound in their fantasy world.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Beekeeper remember a couple of weeks ago I talked about a conspiracy and race war and asked if I was dreaming or not and you said I was dreaming or at least overly worried? Well I'm still dreaming and more concearned than I was then.

Will this regime stop at anything?
Can we say DICTATOR yet?

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from uplander12 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

the Sheikh needs to stand in front of the B.A.R.

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from Logan C. Adams wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I am a firm believer that KSM should be tried in North Dakota, where I live, during the winter. After all, not only would any escape force him to try and survive out here on the tundra, but it would also mean the greatest hunting season ever!

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

this is the government's way of going after az for the laws they enacted that unfairly target those who are here illegally. how dare they mistreat criminals and not think the government won't step in to rescue the poor bastards! you only have a right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness if you break laws in this country and aim to destroy the whole place. it's time we learned that, i guess. i can't believe holder and geithner aren't in prison themselves but i guess i shouldn't be suprised.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think the trial should be in Nancy Pelosi's back yard in San Fransisco. The speaker of the house needs a distraction, plus that will put the bulls eye on the left coast away from our fearless leader. All the gold's in California anyway oh no wait aren't they still broke? Maybe have it in Arizona. Wonder if they would guard the border then?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,
Yea and nobody has addressed the much more serious fact that last week North Korea has threatened nuclear attack on us if we continue with the military exercise with South Korea.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

sjsmarais,
Not to be crass, but gun rights articles are just more interesting than conservation articles. We may agree (for the most part) with the conservation pieces but its a lot more lively and intriguing to have a discussion about gun rights, rather than just everyone going on the conservation article and saying "Good point." "I agree with the other guys." "We need to do something." ...etc.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

yohan

I wouldn't let you hold my gum either, LOL! Don't know were they’ve been!

CRACK ME UP!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Jeez, Yo

Sounds like you lost your meds or something? Sorry, dude.

WMH

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bookie12

All due respect, for anyone to say Glenn Beck is an idiot has no clue about God and Country, The Constitution, The Bill Of Rights and the History Of the United States just to name a few. It takes the understanding of all of this and how it relates to each other and makes it for what it is!

To know and to understand this and to hear someone say Glenn Beck say the guy is an idiot, tells me there intellectual level.

Bookie, suggest you rethink what you said, just because the Man has a bad past, he surely made a 180 changing it!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

It was the O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck railing on them and it turned out he, Beck, was the only one that checked the facts and DEFENDED her.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Yohan, buddy, I was looking out for you! Bookie was fawning all over your post and, of course, I didn't want to see him butting in on your current torrid relationship with Ingebrigsten, so I merely injected a small dose of reality to cool him down a touch... ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wouldn't it be far easier to obtain the serial numbers from the captured weapons and back trace them!

O" Didn't you get the memo, all the weapons and ammunition are coming not from the private sector, but the Government including overseas!

When I was Director fo r High Power Competition for the Tanana Valley Sportsmen Association, I found out all our previous DCM ammo went south of the border. So who's funding who, GO FIGURE!

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Maybe "Dictator" is a little overboard! How about Supreme Legislator? Also they are trying to gain control of internet and other media sources, so gulags may not be far away!

This coupled with the UN Small Arms Treaty sounds like a push to disarm everyone. If they do this to AZ they will do it to every state.

With the ongoing tention between our congress, AZ, Tea Party,Black Panthers, and all the racial claims being thrown around unchallenged is making it volatile which is putting race against race. Maybe not race war but definite race issues are arising and more will as this BS goes on especially when the Prez. and his officials continue to throw gasoline on the flames.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yo SL,
So what's your brilliant suggestion?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bottom line~!

The Obama Administration does not want the serial number of the Mexican captured weapons released!

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

duk, I don't think we want to know or use any of SL's suggestions.
Carney, again you hit that nail on the head. Yohan seems to love to hit keys with no accuracy.
Dave, is there any way to block this invasion of the sales bloggers who are wasting space and gumming up this fine site?

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

It truly is sad that articles about gun rights and seem to get more responses that articles about conservation. Witness the reply count of this article vs. the 'Best Wild Places' article. IMO most people are far too quick to start screaming hysterically about their rights and far too slow (he he, pun?) to have a discussion about responsibilities.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

No, rock rat, that wasn't condescending at all. Not at all.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Really? Well I haven't seen you post anything today from OUR side (as in, pro gun rights), so I'm not so sure about that.

Again, give me stats and sources.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If these folks were around during WWII they would all be considered flag-burning traitors and run out of town on a rail - after being tarred and feathered.

Unfortunately, those good citizens who always look for a handout have placed them in the White House...for now.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Rock Rat --- Back under your rock!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Already a member of DU, sjsmarais.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

With immigration the solution is really quite simple. If employers didn't hire illegals like they aren't supposed to, you wouldn't have such an uncontrolled influx like we currently have. If these illegals knew they wouldn't be able to find work here, they wouldn't come in droves like they currently are. I see very few employers getting prosecuted for hiring illegals. Republicans mostly blame illegals, when republican businessmen are the ones who want the cheap labor and the cause of much of this problem. First let's solve the legalities here with our citizens who are breaking the labor laws, then we could start thinking about how we handle the ones that do come in illegally.

Gun ownership IS a right with lots of responsibility. Heck, I hear hunters and shooters all the time talking how other hunters and shooters are slobs, poachers, completely careless with firearms. When we can't even trust fellow gun owners, what in the world would make you think the rest of the non-gunowning public should?? Like they don't see plenty of gun violence in this nation to have suspicions of people with guns?? If we don't take more effective steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, we will all suffer for it. As they say a few bad apples spoil it for everyone. Actually the scenario you brought up about the foreign gun buyers will probably be the breaking point of gun ownership in this country. Once terrorists are found to have easily bought guns in this country and then wrecked some havoc with them it will be over for ALL gun owners. I have a suspicion that the day is already in the plans somewhere and not far into the future.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yohan, if you was stuck in the middle of BFE in the dead of winter and some fella drove up in the worst looking truck with a 12,000 pound winch, would you turn him down?

“Australian Leadership elites in politics, the bureaucracy, academia, big business, the churches and the media have effectively cut themselves adrift from the interests of majority of Australians. Many have betrayed the trust of the people they are supposed to represent.

As part of this process the elites, while they may mouth concern for the country, have given up thinking in terms of the national interest to pursue an internationalist agenda. This agenda is eroding the foundations of our nation and marginalising the majority, which has less and less say in its destiny.

The bulk of the media, charged with a watchdog role in the public interest, have become active agents in this process. Academics, artists and others who are supposed to be independent-minded have become propagandists and intellectually corrupt hirelings.”
-Graeme Campbell and Mark Uhlmann

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The Politicians are corrupt and I'm convinced arms and ammunition given to the Mexican and other Governments wound up in the hands of bad guys!

When I was working with/assisting the Sheriffs Department in Arizona, the AK47's was not of US origin, they were full blown Kalashnikov's and even the FBI agents I was talking to verified it, so go figure!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,
Going back to your omniscient vision of the gun rights situation, where did you get your gun show info from? We're waiting.

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Another +1 Clay for the comments on Bookie. As for Yohan, seems his younger days were spent on LSD. Nothing BUT yuk yuk.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Proof once again our fight to keep gun ownership is never secured...get involved ,and VOTE!

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Odd but I can't seem to locate anyone who voted for BHO even in the states he easily carried.

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Oh,

As to Snopes... It is run by two leftist liberals. While I will utilize them for a quick check on things I prefer to utilize more than one source of reference and make my own decisions.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Mr Cooper ,. thank you for your concern ,. : )

Yesterday wasnt what you'd call one of my signatuire days ,.. Lost a few bucks early in the day,.
tried two or three times to offer soultions or at least address econimic issues in this venue but they bounced.

I dont give a fly f about the cry babys worring about who gonna talke my toys and f with my second ammendment because the answer is no one will .
I REPEAT THERE IS TOO MUCH F G MONEY IN GUNS ,.They might make it look like one thing but it aint .

The posts which I sent ( three I think ) wouldnt take likely due to language : ) ansd I also made refrence to certain ethnocentric groups yuk yuk. and the use of the word towel may have also snuk in there which I asume frowned upon ; ) by the language fairy.

Then,. I decided " F it " !! Im taking to people who only look at things ONE way anyway ,. so why waste my time .

Shortly after that I decided to buy somwe stock which made a move,. so I sold it,. made a few bucks and called it a day . Sounds easy right?? It aint !

Don't eat a lot of meat (other than venison) but decided to have a steak,.. on ay home went to buy one ,. ran into the German woman with the world class A^^ who was there buying stuff to bring to my place ,.(dont like suprises never did but OK ) what the "H" right?
( nice jesture) so I paid for what was in the cart ,. and she came over,. Yada, Yada, Yada,.
Before the grilling began nursing a couple BIG scothes
I got thinking about when I was kid

There is a time when most come to a fork in the road. Some (forks) are very evident and some are not,..
When I got there ( to the fork ) ,.the difference was hardly decernable,.and aside from those ( who I am now convinced ) are wacthing over me it could have gone either way ,..

Further down one fork was fast money ( and a lot of it)
and probabaly an early death ,.. the other was a lot of hard work ,. but you tend to make thirty more often in that direction.
,.
Fast forwad ,. I ( yes me big suprise to everyone ) am in college ( fast forward) Im in the Army ,,. (fast forward) Im back in school (fast forward) married starting a business
(fast forward) getting divorced ,. trying to pay for that,.pic nic .
(Fast forward) starting a new business,. which floppps ,. (fast foreward) start another one which is good ,. ) fast foreward start another business ,. both are good,..makin money now !!
fast forward a few more times and here we are.
Funny how few fast forwards we get tho,.. looking back just cant be that many more.

While I am certainly no big shot I am not by any measure in danger of needing food stamps,.
and if the truth were known Im probably a little better off than many,. so then ,.. what the F do i care right ?

Tell ya what ,.. all I want is for the little guy Joe Lunch Bucket,. Mary the waitress ,.. Butch the carpenter ,.and on and on to get a fair shake.
Because aside from my mother ( an educatd woman who taught school ) that is where I came from.
with an imigrant father to boot.

The previous 8 years with Boy George and the hunter allowing ( promoting ) the largest wealth transfer (financial rape ) in recorded hystory ,. of the middle class By the use off shore banks avoiding Billions in tax ,. lop sided tax brakets,. clearly placing the burden of a government at war on those who could least afford it and $4. dollar a gallon gas at the retail pump.
Not to mention a governemnt that depleated the SS fund for no decernable reason other than they could do it

I bet Boy George ,. the hunter john Boehneer ( sp )
and all the other "shining brows" of the G OP P never had one lousy desperat moment in their sugar coated
pablem smeared lives .
Without proof can't say for sure but I would wager significant coin of the realm.
Not one ever worryed about paying the dentist or doctor or even as much as contemplatd ( not going to the doctor when they needed to ) because of finacial strife .
And to steal a few of Mt Petzals choice words.
These are the people and thsoe lik ethem who fingers should be broken such that they can see their way clear to focus on a basic human need and there for IMHO a basic human right in a society as rich as this is .
Rather than sat ohh poopy iof we gve the unwashed masses heat cafre well that might cost me money .
F ing please !!! we are paying double the real cost for health care as it is ,.. and that brother bloggers is from the lips of a well respected raidilogist I have come to know , not to mention by buddy the shrink .

Yet again what the f do I care about who's cold in the winter or eating enough or getting medical care that needs it .

Becase from where I am now which I must admit is a pretty good view .
I can still see back far enough,.. to remember not going to the doctor when I needed to then getting pneumomia taht neary did me in
And one brother nearly dieing becuse of the cost of hospital care.
And finally fear,. of the kind of cold in your soul that settles in when hope starts to get further and further away .

Guys like me get a chance in one place
Only in America boys and girls ,. only in America

I gotta ago ,. but a closing thought,
Bad spending is stupid we all know that cause were still shl@ng deep in what left of it .

Good spending is what pulls us up and out ,
Any one know / rememkber the Roesevelt spending program in the 30 's called ,.. THE CCC camps ,..
Thats good spending ,.Hi seed rail is good spending,. fair tax brakets is good spending ,..
Health care to keep a nation strong is good spending

Good weekend to all.

clinton left us with a balance budget.
8 years later
were f in broke. And the only way to get out of it is to stmulate the economy ,.. we are left with two politicall step chillus called the war in Iraq and Afganistan,.
whch is sucking us dry,. not to mention our little ( whack job ) busddy in Korea.

So unless your militry or a busness that profits from war. Nothing much is going down in your ledger but debt,. bad unproductive no profit debt.
I can't even talk about the human cost to this war because it so sensless ,. it just boggles my mind.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Jeeeeze dukkiller
Unaware of your apparent sensitivity to my sentence struture and "pelling" : )
I will endevor not to be the cause of added stress in what appears to be a extreamly stressed existance.

Still,.. if i figured U individually were worth the effort.
I would have had a secretarty , proof it ,. then again for what Im paying her ,. I decided f it,..yuk YUK
Decided to let you suffer the slings and arrows of my alwasy in a hurry spe;;ing and sentence structure.

Howeve as staed .. I will make an effort when and or if I think of it,. and am in the mood ; )

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie one more thing, I learn more from the least of as well as the greatest!

But most of all Sir, you impress me by stepping up to the bar just now instead of those Mindless Gnomes who are souly here just to get the jollies and thrive on character assassination!

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Reminder: The Feds also approved ALL of the banks that failed or were/are propped up by TARP too. What a wonderful track record there. Now is Holder going after any Fed who didn't properly examine or OK bank operations?????? I bet not.

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from freeparking wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Arizona is getting some Chicago style governance. We rack up debt to pay for it.

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Duckkillr, I hear you. How about a request, that everyone who enjoys venting would also join Ducks Unlimited/Trout Unlimited/Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation? Then back to the keyboards!

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from sjsmarais@gmail.com wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Duckkillr, I thought you might be but your username caused some doubt :-)

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

First things first. I have actually +1'd you on all your entries so don't get the idea I'm hating on you. I am enjoying our back & forth, since I believe it is an important sub-issue of the main issue DEP brought up.

I think we are both trying to get to the same place on different paths. Would you agree closing the gaps in immigration and enforcing existing law to the fullest extent would make things better. How many illegals that cross over are also felons? How many are drug-related. How many are armed, or would desire to be?

While I fervently believe gun ownership is a guaranteed right, I also believe it comes with responsibility. Unfortunately, that's something you can legislate to death, and still not plug all the holes. And in the end, you by legislating it to death you start to deny freedoms to law abiding citizens. How many people buy vehicles and never bother to get insurance? Having a vehicle isn't even a right. How about states issuing drivers licenses to illegals? It's all a slippery slope. We as a country have our priorities skewed. It doesn't help that our 'leadership' of whatever party affiliation has largely let us down too.

S Ga

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

See above...

Actually having a vehicle is a right providing you come by it legally. Driving it is not a right unless you meet the requirements for a license in your locale .

FYI a drivers license can be purchased from certain Arizona DMV locations for about $2,000 - no questions asked - no test given.
A social security card can be purchased in Chicago for about $300.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay Cooper

What about all the M-16, M-1, M-14,and all the other firearms the US miliary sent to South American countries?
Don't you think some of those are the guns used by Mex. cartels?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Ohio, what do you thing all that ammo was for!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

He spelled "geniuses" right. I'm shocked.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Grenades, dynamite and fully auto's isle 5 at Wal-Mart!

Stupid Administration trying to pull a fast one they are!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Be nice on Brother Yohan, he may not be having a good day.

Yohan, you ok, seriously!

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

GregMc,

I deny no one their constitutional rights.

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Reading between the lines? Perhaps, but his beliefs in my opinion are thinly veiled.

Just what has caused us to look at our Islamic neighbors with suspicion? I'll answer that with a question. Have you seen any other recognized religious faith attacking our citizens and symbols of our country with repetition?

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from Ed J wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Remember that the Clinton budget was balanced on the Dot Com bubble.

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from libertyfirst wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

E. Holder is a inexperienced buffoon; exactly like the rest of our least experienced president's cabinet. I pray to God that we can someday recover from the damage this ill-conceived experiment has done. But right now I have better things to think about. I got the barrel for the new rifle I'm building last Friday and I can't wait to start.

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from firedog11 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Dave no offense but where have all of you been for the last year. Maybe it is because I live in Northern Va.near the cesspool called Washington D.C. but the Washington P%#T, the Washington Examiner and the Washington Times have all printed articles for the last 6 months where the State Dept, the Justice Dept, the Brady kids, Schumer and and other dems and the White House have all claimed loudly and constantly that all weapons in Mexico are coming from the gun dealers and private citizens selling at gun shows/privately. I actually took the stats published from BATF on the guns traced from Mexico and found that less than 1% came from private sellers or US gun dealers. As one wag put it you don't find machine guns, rpgs and the like for sale cheap at gun shows. It is cheaper to get them from Chavez and Castro and other anti American/freedom sources than in the US. Our two Senators Warner and Webb both supported that lying Sotomayer and they will both support the lying Kagan. Boys there is a big push on and out side of Fox News, The Washington Examiner and the Washington Times and blogs like this I don't see this info being reported. Be aware that Kagan has said that blogs like this and your right to speak on them is not protected by the First Amendment. There was a commentary on Glenn Beck by Dana Millbank of the Washington P*^T saying that Beck and others like us on this blog foster violence against the country because we are racist and hate Obama. Yet they ignore the goons at the SEIU, the New Black Panther Party nad the anarchists destroying private property and attacking people who are members of the Tea Party. The SEIU even attacked the home of a man in MD and when the PD arrived they backed off saying they could not handle the crowd, so PD left. That video was posted by Human Events and may be found on You Tube along with the other attacks but you never see this on the mindless media. We may be facing a watershed moment in the history of this country as Pete Stark a dem from Ca said that congress does not have to follow or obey the Constitution. You have been warned and you better keep your powder dry.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

An improper private sale is one when the seller KNOWINGLY aids and abets a criminal, or sells a firearm to someone you know is using it for a criminal act OR someone that you know is a convicted felon(i.e, brother convicted of child abuse and diagnosed w/mental problems). Just because you aren't adding to the paper trail of 4473's does that absolve you from criminal liability and negligence, if not even being a party, a conspirator to the crime.

Just because you can sell to a person who asks no questions, and no NICS check is involved, does that make you scot-free of any wrongdoing. Ignorance is not your best defense in front of twelve jurors of your brother's trial. You know, when brother goes postal and abducts a child, then escalates the event with the old Enfield you sold him by shooting the cops coming to get the child......

Food for thought.

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from green pond mike wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I guess the last four posts are what you would call blog spam. There's got to be a better way to screen these folks before they can get on the blog.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

SL,

You partially made my case there. Ok, do ALL guns sold in private parking lot transactions wind up in crimes? No, probably not. If a law-abiding citizen did not KNOWINGLY transfer a gun to a convicted felon, in other words the law-abiding seller asks all the right questions, makes copies of a bill of sale and gets the buyers info, as well as the buyer misrepresenting himself as not a felon, and OK to make the transaction, well HE(buyer felon) has broken the law - seller has not. Now will more laws make the felon/criminal obey more, or will the law-abiding citizen obey more. Sure, the citizen at the expense of freedom. My point is that criminals have been (and will be) disobeying laws since the concept of laws was invented, and will adding to the stack of laws make the system better, when we already have multiple statutes that can cover these situations. How much more against the law will it have to be to make the Hezbollah sleeper not buy that gun in the gun show parking lot? Answer: IT WON'T MATTER.

Now you are walking through the gun show parking lot with your M-Forgery and your Uber-tacticool carry bag that you are considering selling. Your credit card balance is crushing you, and your other bills are piling up too. A questionable looking person of another nationality asks in broken English what you are selling. You show him, he offers you $500 more than what you have in everything for the whole kit. You rapidly do the deal no questions asked and count your money. A couple months later this comes back to bite you as you see this guy on the news as a synagogue shooter with your gun. Later on that day BATFE knocks on your door, tracking you down from the info on your 4473. Now, are you telling me that you have no legal responsibility there? No negligence? The jury of 12 will weigh it accordingly.

Respectfully,
S Ga

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Still waiting for the stats, SL...

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Don't get me started!

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay....you let me down with the Glenn Beck comment. The guy is an idiot. Great points otherwise!!

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from green pond mike wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

The four posts that ARE NOW above my last post is not what I was commenting on--they were deleted. They were advertisments of some sort. Don't go thinking that I was picking on you good folk. I just made a comment on what I saw and now it isn't there. Guess I need to be more careful.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I got allot to say, some don't even like Newt Gingrich. But if he would run for President, you're damn right I would vote for him!

Sure, people Moosed up to the umpteen degree, but when they have the know how and drive to fix this Nation, do we judge them by something that is minuscule to what they can do? If a asteroid was heading for Earth, the Fella who volunteers to give his or her life to pilot the space craft to plant the nuke on it, we deny that person because of some foolish thing they done?

GIT REAL FOOL!

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay maybe the military warped our minds because I too find Glen Beck to be an intelligent man, he did have a torrid past but a 180 brought him back and I find his shows to be full of useful information. To the idea of getting checked for selling guns- Several years ago about 30 I was the president of our Little League Baseball program and bought a Remington 870 to chance off to raise much needed funds. The treasurer registered the firearm to himself and we raffled the gun off. The treasurer showed up at my house about 25 years later and asked me if I could remember who won the firearm. He advised me the FBI had contacted him and the firearm had been used in a homiside and he was the one the gun was registered to. I contacted the FBI and got the situtation taken care of, but that let a lot of people realize to be careful when dealing with firearms.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Homicide wasn't thinking.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

“Logical consequences are the scarecrows of fools and the beacons of wise men.”
-Thomas Henry Huxley (1825 - 1895)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Come on out to Western Washington. There are more Obama stickers now than before the election. Some came out of the closet! Ha Ha

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

To Jim in nc ;
Wouldn't happen to have a website for W.B.Place, would you ?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

nash02, I got a fashion for'ya, stand over there with an apple in your mouth and turn sideways!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

wingshooter54, the United States does not work under Democracy,
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“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
-Thomas Jefferson
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The reason America has flourished is not because of Democracy, it’s called the Constitution!
_

"This country will never fail by an outside force. This country will only be destroyed if we destroy ourselves."

“We have to think of something, because the Titanic is going down. We need to save the passengers, that’s what we need to worry about. Let the ship sink if we have to. We have a great plan: It’s called the Constitution, and we’ll build another one.”

“Our faith is down. Our churches are emptying. Do you know why? Because our churches don’t stand for anything anymore.”

“Now who did they blame? World War II and the fascists came in, Adolf Hitler came in, because the Germans looked at the Jewish banker. Then they also looked at, who else? Oh, France. France and Great Britain. They forced them to pay - at our bidding. We, through Woodrow Wilson said, ‘Make ‘em pay. Make ‘em pay.’ And France said ‘Make ‘em pay.’“

_Glenn Beck at the NRA Convention

Bookie12, found your name right under Mindless Gnome!

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from libertyfirst wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

E. Holder is a inexperienced buffoon; exactly like the rest of our least experienced president's cabinet. I pray to God that we can someday recover from the damage this ill-conceived experiment has done. But right now I have better things to think about. I got the barrel for the new rifle I'm building last Friday and I can't wait to start.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck also had the audacity to vilify the Police Office and calling the Police Department stupid. Interesting to note in both case it was Obama is the one who acted foolish and stupidly by not having the facts!

Typical racist and I'm not talking this time about NASCAR! They are so quick to judge pulling the "R" and "P" card so much they don't hesitate to through their very own under the buss!

Glenn Beck sure got allot of mileage on that one! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie12

Seriously Bookie all jokes aside, you know how stupid you look!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

ishawooa, just pulled this off of moveon.org, isn't this crazy or what!

Stand for Democracy

It's time to rescue our government from corporations and lobbyists. Endorse the blueprint to take back our democracy.

Sign the Pledge » (moveon.org)

_________________________________

“And do not forget the petty scoundrels in this regime; note their names, so that none will go free! They should not find it possible, having had their part in these abominable crimes, at the last minute to rally to another flag and then act as if nothing had happened!”
-From the fourth leaflet of the White Rose Resistance in Germany, 1942. Five students and a professor who wrote and distributed the leaflets were executed in 1943.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Jim in Mo

MY BAD!

This was, "MAY I ADD" to what you said!

O'bama administration that fired Sherrod for fear of Glenn Beck

GIVE CREDIT DUE TO WHOM IT IS DUE AND THIS +1 IS FOR YOU JIM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

dukkillr thanks for beating the tide of ignorance and +1 for you!

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Clay, thats my opinion, im sorry if you dont like it. I am sure there are people that I personally support that you think are idiots. Im not going to call you stupid for that...that is the beauty of choice. You can choose to like or dislike whatever the heck you want, without having to worry about what others think.

To be honest Clay, i dont know nearly as much about this specific issue as you do...thats obvious. I also know that posting "Glenn Beck is an idiot" is completely counter productive to the issue at hand. I apologize for that and shouldnt have posted it. After all I am on here to learn and hear what others have to say (even from you Clay ;-))....not attack people for their opinions. Again I apologize for calling your friend Glenn an idiot and if that offended you personally in any way.

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

to Yohan, i didnt mean to offend you either, i simply meant that you should have your own hour on Fox News just like Glenn Beck....id watch!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

Bookie12, WELCOME TO OUR SIDE SIR and a +1!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

firedog11 speaking of Washington DC and Northern VA, last time I went thru, traffic accident was down in VA near Agnewville and backed up traffic north on I95 all the way past Greenbelt in DC

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, the reality is that there have been MORE questionable sales made to good ole American folks than there has been to folks of other nationalities who then have used them in crimes. BATF shouldn't wait for these sales to foreign looking folks. Plenty are made to American folks and they rarely come knocking on the sellers door. In many cases the trail of the gun ends nowhere since it has probably changed hands numerous times in a private sale and the original owner by then is completely off the hook. Any other owner who subsequently sold it again will never be pinned down.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wam ,. just got slammed again

no go ,. so f it this filter is too namby pamby.

Truth needs the use of cettian words.
I wont beat arond the bush and cetainly not boy George
so Im done for now.

Toooo bad,. that one really would have lit a fire under a few far right small print pps YUK YUK

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from GregMc wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Beekeeper,

Obama never said he would "always side with the Muslims."
You can have any political viewpoint you want and discuss it freely as is your constitutional right, but blatant misrepresentation of the facts is nothing more than propaganda, a tool used by many of varying political viewpoints to damage legitimate governments. You may not like it or agree with it, but have no doubt, this is a legitimately elected government.
For more info about what he actually said in his book, try this,http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Truthfully clay I think now after years of reading between your lines,. your heart and soul are in the right place.
You just got your political compass reversed with out knowing.
A lab is lab ,. call it a lamma all dam day and its still a lab ,.. even if lab thinks its a lamma .
No fight with you your 03-a3 ness : )

But I don't get stuck Clay ,. and if I do ,. there is already a contigent plan to be executed by a couple liberal Norsk geniuses yuk yuk ,who my Germasn fiends fondly refer to as the jews of the north .. and a couple good buddies whos immidiate liniage dates directly back to Isreal

If you wanna know who NOT to f k with ?? ,.
these are the ones yuk yuk.
Even my goombodies steer cleear of that bunch.

We all; came up the hard way on the streets and at tims under fire befiore we were 14
They watch my back as close I watch theirs,

What aditionally REALLY pi$$es me off are the cry babay pi$$ aunt RIGHT FIGHTERS trying to shove the right shoe on the left foot.THEN TAKE CREDIT FOR WHAT THE LEFT FOOT DOES
Did i say,.. that REEEEALT pi$$es me off ?? !!!yuk yuk

It so fuc^ing rediculous I start to laugh .

And WAM ,. I dont take meds ( no meds) ,.. yuk yuk
Aside from a couple fingers of average priced scotch
(the good stuff is lost on me) here and there so's I can maintain my good g dam dispositiion and dont call my Hoy Vey buddies to go around town looking for little sh^t faced crm lookaliks to use as a puck for lively game of street Hocky YUK YUK

Ah ya tomorrow is another day ,. we'll keep fighting on this end.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Hubris? I can see the gun issue from both sides, while YOU obviously can't. If that is hubris to you, then that's YOUR problem and not mine.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Thinking that states are sovereign is a nice thought, but a complete fallacy, and it always has been. We fought a civil war once because of a few states who wanted to be completely sovereign and I am sure the government would think even less of it these days. It was another nice theory by the guys with wigs 230 + years ago, but the world has evolved into a completely different place where the theory doesn't apply.

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, it would be interested to see how many private sellers have been prosecuted for selling a gun unknowingly to the wrong person. Since no background checks are required, how is the seller to know if the buyer is a felon or not? Lots of these types of sales occur at gun shows, many that require NO background checks for private sellers and many other places. A good many of these guns have eventually been found in criminal acts. Many gun owners don't like to hear this, but I guess the truth hurts some people sometimes. I on the otherhand am rational enough to see the reality of it all.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Yahoooo

As a concervative liberal im so unimpressed by Glen Beck I cant actually remember what he says from one time to the next. Typical far right giberish

But I got news for ya ,. two rather well known
pretty concervstive republicans I know prosonally,.
who are as we speak in elected positions and in the busines of politics .
Who according to them were so stoned all through woodstock that sex in the mud,. would have been a trip back to reality, especially if they had known who they were having sex with .

And those two shining examples of the G O P
mentality are running things now in a big cities.
Which shall remain nameless,.to protect the innocent and the stupidity of youth .

Like a bunch of old women with nothing better to do ,.

I wouldnt let Glenn Beck hold my Bubble Gum ,.
while I took a leak at a ball game.
and now that you bring it up whats the word on ole Rush .
Hear that veagas betting lines had his heart going put put sputter put,. after 6 moths on the the "make it bigger" so you can see it with out a mirror majic roamance pills yuk yuk

Hope this one makes it last two didnt

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from Bookie12 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

See Yohan even makes more sense than Glenn Beck

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

I thought the whole trial in Manhattan, dissing Holder and Obama was pretty over the top. Most productive, tuned in and aware President in a generation and you call him disconected from reality? Might want to run those thoughts by some of your European freinds.

Manhattan has been the setting for other prominent terrorist trials, I can think of no better place, it's not far from the crime scene. I've no idea where the thought of creating a backlog of other trials for 15 years comes from, or turning things into an armed camp? So what if some bankers suffer a traffic jam on the way to their Lear. In America we put criminals on trial. Just the way we have things set up.

The Holder/Arizona/BATFE meme is overworked, if someone in Arizona broke the law bust em. If not they need not worry. Obama was already elected, turns out no one went around collecting guns. The gun grabbing story was back before the election, we have a year and a half of reality to compare it to now.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I just got slammd ,. meaning it wouldnt take,..

Just as well I guess
stepped smartly,. on some fuzzy geezer toes .

No more time ,. meeting a woman with a caboose the likes of which makes me forget temporarily most of the spewed genius by a few ,

So "Herr" WAM and dkkiller ,. the soultion is J O B's
Were on the way but the legacy left us from a prevous 8 years ( nien danke anymore ) is a giant economic hangover that is slow to go .and it aint from shnapps.

Its from an infinite well of evil and the never ending attempt by one (class) to control another or get free from another,.

Nothin new,.. been goin on as long as money and power raised and trained armys,. baught land and weapons ,vinigar, olive oil, food, wine and women.
Things I seem to remember dimly.

Just that the weapons of war are diffent now.
Aside from the conventional wars we are told we need to fight,. which is total BS,. its banks and polttitians.,.. using global fiantial manipulation
to achive wealth transfers unparalled in hisory ,..

Insted of horses swords and bows,.. and rivers of blood. running in the farm fields and ditches of the Spainish coutryside ,the sewers of France or the meadows of Britton.

Its now finacial blood running in the canyons of wall street and other finacial districts.
And as usual its not the blood of the Kings and Senitors the generals,. the army in the rear
and or those who hold certain purse strings.

Its as old and as the copery taste of fear before battle,. as old as dried blood on the short sword or the bayonet.
Its the far right and the far left or the Chatholic against protistant,.the Muslem against christain or the Moores in Spain .

It is the eternal pi$$ing contest for power and control ,. with those in the middle always the ones getting wet .

And what constatly amzes me is the ease with which both diamtrically oposed sides manage to enlist and brain wash so much of the middle.

It occurrd to me this afternoon
that sometimes ( to borrowe a title and use it as a phrase)
i see this through a glass darkly .

Same game,. different rules different cloths,.different time.

But it seems to me the smell of greed evil is the same as it was ,.. a century or six ago .

am I the only one ?

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from yohan wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Shiiiiiat

I was gonna start and man was I gonna unload
But F k it ,. Im busy today like most days
tying to help clients recover from Boy George and the hunter along with "Scooter" ,.. "Brownnie" and the other patriots

IMH and concidered O it would make sence to clear large blockages ,pror to pontificanting about anything other than fact

A good beginning would be to start by embarking on high fiber diet followed immediatly with 3 or four quarts of muselix.
Which would cure one problem by elimination of giant A$$ed blockages in lower colon

Whcih would also hopefully elimiate the gas build up cause by said blockages fuzzuing the brain there by minimizing additonal and exponential delusional thinking,..

IE: The longer your full of it ( in this case apparntly 50 some years ) the harder it is to clear your head

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from SL wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Sgaredneck, what IS an improper private sale in this country?? Long guns can be sold without any paperwork or background checks in most parts of this country, so what would an improper sale be? The reality is that the seller can sell it to anyone. Whether gun owners want to hear it or not, this is how criminals end up getting guns in this country at least. It's as simple as buying candy. The only people required to follow any gun regulation are dealers. Once the guns are in private hands the trail ends and people can sell them to the highest bidder or anyone else they want.

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Dear Mr. Petzl,

You write knowledgeable informative articles about guns, you have a deep and thorough understanding of all things with a barrel and what goes in them. You should stick to what you know.

I know you get out and about in the real world a lot in all your travels and you've probably met a lot of people that know a heck of a lot more than you do about current events and politics. Writing about things you don't understand is always hard, stick to guns.

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