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August 25, 2010

Petzal: What's The Best _______?

By David E. Petzal

Every now and than, a hunting friend who has not been reduced to living in his pickup will sidle up to me and say: “I want to buy a ______. What’s the best ______ you can get?” And I will tell them, because if I don’t, they think I know but am holding out on them for some sinister reason. The truth is, it’s almost impossible for anyone, even with the experience, good taste, and discernment of myself, to say what’s “best” in the wonderful world of guns and hunting. This is because:

*I haven’t used everything that’s out there.

*Of the stuff that I have used, my experience has sometimes been pretty limited.

*We tend to like what conforms to our prejudices, and I am pretty prejudiced. That said, here are a few nominations in which I feel pretty confident. If they are not the “best,” I don’t see how it’s possible to do better.

Elephant-squashing dangerous game rifle: One of Ryan Breeding’s $20,000-plus masterpieces.

Dangerous-game rifle: Ed Brown Model 704 Express

Light big-game rifle: New Ultra Light Arms Model 20

Hunting Knife: the DiamondBlade line

Hard Gun Case: The Beartrack (aluminum) and Hardigg (resin) lines. The ramp apes’ despair.

Boots: Kenetrek.

Tough-Game bullets:
Swift A-Frame or Barnes-XXX

And so on. Now, if we only had the money…

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It's even amazing what we can do at times on a Kool-Aid budget

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from MJC wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Knowing what's the best is good. The best is a model by which others are judged. It sets the standard so that others have to strive harder and we all get better stuff.

But most of the time, I end up asking 'What's the best?' and quickly follow it with 'What's good enough?' With the right amount of research, I've been happy with all my 'good enough' gear.

(In that vein, I'll probably pick up one of those Cold Steel Pendleton Lite Hunters you reviewed in the latest magazine.)

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Buying smart and staying away from fads usually keeps me happy.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

You can alway qualify your answer with the preamble, "In my opinion..."

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from Steve in Virginia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

This is good topic. You could go on and on in terms of products -- the best sling, the best tree stand, etc. If choosing only item is hard, you could always re-title the post as "Stuff That I Like."

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

My best is limited to what is in the gun safe. It's all I have which makes my choice easy.

Rarely are my "What is the best____" questions not followed by a dollar amount which further clouds the term "best".

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

DEP ~ I see this blog as a learning environment. If not your experiences, PB's insight or the "dirty dozen's" shedding light on our gun sport, I would be at a loss.

That said, surveys such as the "50 best" of anything from the usual suspects who post here, is damn well good enough for me. Besides, it's all taken with a grain of salt.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It's interesting the deference in advise you will get pending on your geographical location.

When I found out I was going to Alaska everyone said the best cartridge was 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag and 300 Weatherby Mag. But when I called one of the Fairbanks Game Biologists, he chuckled at the three I mentioned and told me the best and most favored amongst the locals is the 338 Win Mag, not to big, not to small, just right!

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Money is a wonderful thing if you have plenty of it. Clay I remember reading a study published by the Alaska Game and Fish probably 20-25 years ago. After considerable testing they decided to use .338 Win as their choice for dangerous situations involving large carnivores. The study was well done and documented utilized many cartridges large and small. The .338 was selected for all the reasons for which we like it so well. Tried and true is difficult to beat, don't care who you are.

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from Tony C. wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I've found the words "Remington 700" and "Remington 870" to be synonomous with reliability. And even the old Remington 7400 has rarely let me down, although I know what people think about autoloaders.

I've also found Leupold to be right there in that same category. These guns and optics may not be the best, but they're probably the best for the money.

Still trying to find boots that fit my criteria (a pair of Danners are on their way). And my budget Bushnell binoculars fit my eyes like a glove.

It's all relative.

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ATTENTION ALL F&S READERS: Dave Petzal hasn't used everything that's out there. He is no longer a god. Roll up your prayer mats and get back to work, boys...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Everything I have is the best that I can afford or want to afford. Unless it is, I do without.

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from Canadian Lurker wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ummmmm, looks like this Ed Browm rifle will be second hand.
"Ed Brown Custom Rifles
Effective August 15, 2010, we are no longer accepting new orders for rifles."
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi/start.cgi/customrifles.htm

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Canadian Lurker: How the hell did I miss that? I went to the Ed Brown website when I wrote the post. Anyway, this is a tragedy comparable to the Hindenburg disaster, the sinking of the Titanic, the Defenestration of Prague, or the birth of Sen. Chuck Schumer.

To Clay Cooper: Any time anyone says that the .338 is the best, regardless of purpose, all they will hear from me is a loud "Amen."

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from shane wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Not gonna touch "regular big game rifle"? I don't blame you.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Had a Colonel walk up to me on the range one day with a specific revolver I know more intimately than the Wife and asked What's The Best trigger job, where did I get my trigger job at and how much? No problem Sir, a simple clip with the wire cutters of 2 ½ loops on the spring and it was perfect! I withheld the Make and Model to protect the stupid and stupid doesn't even know the definition of intimately they think its plug and play!!

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from Bellringer wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The only thing between me and the best that there is available on the market is the shortage of green paper with pictures of dead presidents and Benjamin Franklin on them.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

davidpetzal, the 338 is like a very fine and exquisite Lady indeed. Most of all, you just have to know how to handle with finesse and know how to dance with Her

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Bellringer

I learned from my Father at an early age, if you know how to turn the knobs and hold your jaw just right, you can give even the Big Boys HELL, even on the 1000 yard line! My Father sure gave the AAA Skeet shooter pure hell with a Winchester Model 12 and he did it all with it, From #9's to slugs! Shot just like the finest Skeet & Trap Gun to a Rifle

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Just as well Mr Brown is not gonna make rifles for a while, I was lusting big time!

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Shane: I know no fear. Best general-purpose big-game rifle. The Bedrock Industries left-hand bolt gun made by Noveske Gun Works. Southpaw only. Immaculate. Perfect. Right-handers, eat your livers.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The best also needs to specify for what purpose... shooting long distances, up close and personal, the weight and toughness of the animal. There are so many bests that it is impossible to pick the best anything unless you know the exact circumstances under which the gear will be used.

Every hunt I go on I wish I had brought several guns and clothing options for the different situations that can arise in a single day. I think you are better off with gear that has proven itself in a variety of situations and environments. You can't go wrong with an ought six in almost any situation.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

About the only lefty I ever knew who did not whine all the time about the lack of suitable rifles and shotguns was my dad. Somehow he always got by with a semi-customized Springfield and a Browning A-5. He did tell me that when he was at Fort Sill in '42 the army made him qualify with the .30 carbine firing right handed. He shot expert somehow before being shipped to the South Pacific with the 37th Division. I still miss the old Sarge.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

"Right-handers, eat your livers"? Really now... that isn't even a word to begin with.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Swift A-Frames are tops.

I'm embarrased Ed Brown lives in my state and so close to me. He is an arrogant sob, and so is his staff. Call the jerks, you'll see.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

OUCH!

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from jerry1958 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ever heard the saying the most bang for your buck that is where the best for you is

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from dickgun wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, Mr. Cooper, Yep,
I bought a .338 Alaskan in 1959 and took it with me to live in Alaska. I still have it (fondly) and it still shoots as well as ever. I have used it for nearly all of the species in AK at one time or another. Now that there is a wide variety of factory high quality loads in bullet weights from 200 - 300gr it is even more versatile. Strange that it took so long to become known for what it could do so well.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The biggest mistake I done is trading a Marlin 120. All it needed is a few parts replaced. It digested any load I put into it and didn't realize what I had when I replaced it later on

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from RJ Arena wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

A few of the folks above have made some good points, I have been selling for a long time and the first thing I do when someone asks "what is the best..." question is qualify them. What, where, when, how....etc. Throwing money at a problem almost never provides the best resolution.It is true that you get what you pay for, but also is the law of diminishing returns. So Dave, answer away, tell them exactly what you think.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Can we settle on best gas lantern? No?

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

how about Best Magazine? :)

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave, Say it ain't so. On Gun Nutz TV today it sounded like Eddie Nickens called the Model 71 Winchester a bolt gun. Maybe it was just my old Artillery ears.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Perhaps a better question is..."What's the best value for my dough that will both get the job done properly while suiting my exquisite and unique tastes?"

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Real close there kudukid!

Kinda my sentiments!
I would like the Rolls Royce, but I can't afford that! I'm not about to settle for the Ford Falcon either! Somewhere in between is a product that I can afford that my grandkids can say, "It was my grampaw's. Ain't it cool!" ... And their friends can say, "Wow, I wish I had one, but they don't make 'em like that anymore!"

One fella I met, had a hand-me-down cheapie blow up in his face. There were no injuries, just an impossibly loud fright! From then on, he would buy a new shotgun and rifle every year. In the spring, he would sell both items and buy new.

Bubba

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dump the advertisers.

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from white bison wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

That's an easy topic...lots of excellent choices & preferences out there.
A BETTER TOPIC would be what cartridges in each class of hunting...varmint, light deer game, medium game, heavy game, dangerous game. Now, there would be a worthy discussion! This one is too easy.
Best Regards,
Tom

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To buyinggolfonline, 'Who Cares'?

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It is easy go give an opinion regarding what is the best product available, but without knowing what actually works the best for an individual asking the question is impossible. It is in a sense, a rhetorical question. I say let the poor fool figure it out the same way the rest of us did, through a great deal of expense and trial and error. Regarding guns, figure out what you are gonna be shooting with it, what you can afford and learn to love it. Misses will occur from time to time, because of the human element, but get something you really like and learn how to use it. Failing that, move on to your next choice. Like golf, it is a game that cannot be won, only played.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

FirstBubba
You caught my drift...great minds etc.
Old Puma stag knives
Pre 64 70s
Gokey, Russell and Danner
Savage 99s
Win. 69
Bausch Zephyrs
You could have bought all this 50 years ago and it will still be going strong 50 years from now.

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, Jack O'Connor said that an individual could get by nicely in life owning only three guns, an '06, .22 long rifle, and 12 ga shotgun. While this is probably true, life would be pretty boring and gun writers would be out of work in pretty short order. I will say this, beware the man who shoots one gun.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

dickgun

Back in 90, I wrote Hornady for the need of a 338 diameter 250 Soft Point Boat Tail and Steve Hornady himself wrote back the need for such of a bullet was not needed or required. This shows how much the Bullet Industry knew what the Sportsmen really needed, they just finally getting around to get their heads out of there butts!

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from PbHead wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

A very interesting and informative post Dave. How about one on the other end of the scale? I would call it, "Adequate". For instance a $300 Marlin bolt action, $120 Redfield scope with rings and mounts and $10,000 worth of practice ammo. Better make that two boxes of ammo and a Lee Loader plus components.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Jim in Mo. I beg to differ. I've dealt with Ed and Travis for a number of years, and they have never been rude; quite the contrary. Ed is blunt, and opinionated, and short with people who he thinks are wasting his time, but then I've heard the same things said about myself, and I am a hell of a nice guy.

To Del in KS: I dunno. My ears are probably worse than yours, even though I was not a redleg. Eddie is beyond my control anyway.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Del and David: I also heard the "bolt action Model 71" comment by Eddie. It was not quite as apparent as Dave switching from a Blaser to the Marlin for a long microsecond during the same shooting session on a previous program.
By the way if any of you liked the Boondock Saints movies take a look at Travolta in From Paris with Love or was it With Love from Paris? Regardless the movie is available on DVD and is a highly entertaining, action packed, comical, full blown shootem up even if unrealistic.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Ishawooa: Thanks for the intel. I will make sure Eddie is beaten severely.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

to clay cooper: hornady (or any other manufacturer) would also do well to introduce a 133 grain caliber .257 bullet. rifles would probably need a 1 in 9 twist but this would do a lot to revitalize a stagnant old caliber.
ammo manufacturers,as with most businessmen ,tend to stick with the tried and true sometimes to the detriment of progress.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Hunting gear, guns, etc. are so purpose-built that the best gun for one thing would be the worst for another. That goes for calibers, too.

On the other hand, when someone asks you that, it's a teaching moment. Don't laugh or sneer at dumb questions; if you know little, every question someone who knows nothing asks is a good one, to him.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

RES1956 I read that book too. And people say he was a .270 man. He said the problem with the '06 was all of the stores stocked only 200 grain bullets in his day instead of the fast stepping 150's which were much better in his opinion.

He may have had high praise for the .270 Win. but he killed a lot of game with the 30-06 Springfield. Cactus Jack used to be my favorite gun writer before I discovered Dave's sarcastic wit and intellect. Right-handers still isn't a word though...

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from jim in nc wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Petzal is humble enough (DP? humble?) to say he doesn't know what the "best" of this or that is, but if you word your question right, you can get what you want out of him. I asked him once, What rifle scope would you buy for yourself if you only had $500, max? He gave me an answer, and boy did it turn out to be a winner. You just gotta box the rascal in.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave Petzal,
Yes but you are not Jim in Mo. You can waltz in his shop anyday, I can't.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

And Jack O'Connor spent a lot of time with the 7mm Mauser, too.

buyinggolfonline is probably a spam account.

I loved From Paris With Love. For once, John Travolta wasn't a bad guy. Or a turncoat or a double agent or whatever.

Tom/white bison, DEP and F&S already had published such a cartridge guide for varmint, deer, long range, dangerous game, etc., July last year or 2008. I think it should be posted on the web.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

O'Garcia I bought a 7mm Mauser Ruger No. 1 just because of O'Connor and his praise for how much more performance it gave for what it was. He was right. For some reason it is not that impressive on paper but in the field it is a super-hero...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

1uglymutha

Having a bullet heavier than 120 in .257 would be inferior due to the new flavors of Barnes, Hornady GMX and other expandable solids out there. Personally, shooting a Mule Deer with a 25-05 120 grain Nosler Partition 120 does as much damage as a 30-06 180 grain soft point! That solid bottom at 3000+ fps sure does allot of damage!

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from AlaskanExile wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

You can't beat the 338 Win Mag for a great all-around cartridge. I've used mine for everything.

I think the "best" i.e. 95% soloution to Zeiss, Leica, and other "high-end" binoculars is the Nikon Monarch ATB. Less than $300, light, bright and clear, and I can use it without taking off my glasses.

CamelBack makes the "Best" backpacks as far as I'm concerned.

Knives of Alaska makes some great purpose-designed knives that are well-built and stay sharp cut after cut.

The "Best Rifle" is a tough call. Whatever works for you is best I guess. Ruger, Remington and Savage are very tough to beat in my opinion.

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from Gritz wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Everyone has their own underlying criteria for what is the best. Some people go completely on looks. Some people want to be comfortable. Some people want toys. Some people want things they can say are "worth" as much as they can afford. Sometimes these limitless criteria match up together, often they do not. Personally, only after looking back, I have found that I am more often looking for things that hold my confidence high over a long period of time. Every one out there, if they have bought enough stuff, have at some point or another purchased something they thought was great only to see a review or someone else's input years later rebuke and say how horrible this thing is. When I am truly happy with something I like to see that years later people are still using it and it is so good that it has gathered a following. I have seen great knives but my buck 119 and is still my favorite because I know that it has no flaws and works the way I thought it would. I like my Rem 700 because, unlike the 710 or 715, has not been found flawed to the point where the company had to redesign it or discontinue it. This is why I do not get too into gadgets. GPS units have been constantly changing every year and it is very difficult to spend money on something that is going to be bettered by next season. So I just avoid it all together. I look at what I want to be doing. I like simplistic hunting. Knife, gun, boots. All other stuff is just a distraction. I am fairly new to muzzleloading but this has been a struggle with me to find a good bullet. So to simplify, I have found that the most fun I have is when I take my Kentucky rifle with round ball and patch because when I had my inline out on the field I would be constantly wondering if the bullet I was using was some snake charm that I was duped into buying through advertising. Is it really going to expand? Is it really going to perform? I would rather know that I have a limit than to falsely believe that it was better than it really is. I think that most people just want something that really works. I laugh sometimes when I see all the scent blockers and scent attractants that are marketed. I don't know if they really work or not but if I don't put any expectations on them then I don't worry about it at all. My favorite memories of hunting come from when I grabbed my rifle and off of a hunch I walked to a "secret" spot and within an afternoon bag a deer that no one knew about. My worst memories of hunting were of the times when I tried to over think all the marketing and ballistics and spent hours setting up scent trails and controlling my own scent and rattling just right and so on and so on for the entire season while I had the biggest scope on the biggest rifle and wasted an entire season trying to gadget my way to a deer yet did not see a single living creature. Those seasons left me bitter and feeling like I was a patsy for the ad companies that "got" me so figured out that they successfully removed all the money from my wallet without putting anything in it's place except doubt.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Cactus Jack and Elvis died about the same time and I hear about one or the other almost every day. I met Elvis once and he was a handgun shooter, had two Colt SAAs in .45 Colt with him that day. Jack used many many cartridges as can be determined by his writing. It turns out that maybe he enjoyed hunting tigers moreso than mountain sheep according to the Atchesons of Butte. He did not use a .270 on those outings.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

DEP, once my oldest daughter had a brief career as an up and coming professional singer before illecit drugs almost ruined her life. She was on television several times either solo or as part of a singing group. When I watched the performance live it was vastly different than when viewed on TV as the latter almost always showed one mistake or another that was evident to the close observer. I think I have a stock off an old lever action Model 54 if you need it to beat Eddie. You guys have the most educational shooting program on the tube with Gun Nuts, its even entertaining...sometimes.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave and/or Phil -
Either of you want to comment on the latest from the EPA concerning the banning of all lead in both ammo and fishing (lead shot)? Here's the link to the article that is currently posted on the top of the Drudge Report -http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/epa-reviewing-request-ban-led-bullets.

If this thing goes through, hunting as we know it will be effectively squashed. It's one thing to have to use steel shot for waterfowl, but spending twice what we currently pay for high-end or even mediocre rifle ammo will eliminate a good portion of the hunting community, especially in these already difficult financial times.

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from edalweber wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

In an old outdoor column years ago they had one of the best pieces of advice I ever saw."If you find some piece of gear that you REALLY like, be sure and buy an extra one. because if it is any good, they will stop making it."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile

One thing about the 338 Win Mag, cheap scopes have a very allergic reaction to the recoil. When I first got my 338, I had a spare Weaver laying around not exactly a cheap scope, bot it looked as if you heaved a 10# hammer through it! Weaver would not warranty it because they changed hands several times. The crosshairs looks like you would find on the shower room floor in a Truck Stop, YUCK!

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile & Clay: My son and I have shot everything from prairie dogs to elk with .338 Win. I always used 250 gr but recently went to 225 gr hoping to flatten the trajectory a bit. Actually I can't see much difference in performance. Knives of Alaska are wonderful. I wish I had spent the extra dollars for the stag handles but in my heart I know the synthetic ones are best for what I use them for in the field. Still stag sure is pretty.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The EPA is accepting public comments on the proposed lead ban effort led by the evil Center for Biologic Diversity.

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#submitComment?R=0900006...

Give 'em some comments!
The NRA,and the NSSF have sent letters to the EPA,to Ms. Jackson,who David Petzal gave a link to in the "Why I should have been dead years ago" post.
If we don't get enough comments to the EPA,these people could get this atrocity passed into law.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile,
That's what I need is binocs I don't have to remove my glasses. I new it would be in the $300 range but it's less than others.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Ineresting original topic,.
Whats the best ,. best gun, best bullet, best scope, best hat , best of the best.
Best is a mighty big word, one reason being "Best" usually translates to to expensive and expencive knows no boundary.

Having spent most of my aduilt life chacing the coin.
Mostly because I didnt have squat when I was a kid
Think its safe to say now I'm not broke.
Which means I can do pretty much what I want, when i want,. within the realm of sanity and reason.

Reading some of these posts makes me think,.
.and since this is a shooting / hunting blog.
I was thinking,.. what have been the BEST TIMES Ive had while shooting / hunting .

When was that,. or is it yet to come ,.
Looking back.
Did my rifle cost 10K was I wearing 400 hunting boots ,was I carrying a $300 knife
Was I in a Westewrn state or Cananda or Africa.

Gota say none of the above ,. been to all of the above but it had nothing to do with location or the cost of the artillry and associated equipment.

Best times for me were with good men ( and boys)
not one of which had a 10k-20K rifle or $400 boots or $300 knife.There wasnt one custom anything in those camps.
There were,. good and well cared for arms
fair amount of handloaded ammo decent hunting cloths but nothing out of the ordinary.

What there was ,.
Was good trustworthy people who had moved beyond the gadget faze had their hunting kit assembled and were there to hunt and be a part of a group.
Me being an admited mauser and metric caliber geek for most of my life (not so much now )
Took the good natured ribbing from those who's two main (go to ) rifles were a 30-06 and a 338 Mag of what ever flavor mine being 8x57 and 9.3 x 62
But once past that ritual
The BEST TIMES are always where your friends are.
Not sure BEST is the right word in that context
as BEST again ususally goes to cost ,.
Pretty hard to have a good time no matter how much money is involved if your with jerks.
Plus last I checked you cant buy real friends ,.
you can buy a trip or a car or even a girlfriend for a time.

But you cant buy friends,.
So waaay before the best stuff I will always take the best people ,.then,. the stuff dosnt matter too much .

Yup,.. Best is an interesting word

What was the best times

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I know it's slightly off topic,but it is good news.
Commonsense prevails,EPA denies lead ammunition ban petition.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/08/epa-denies-petition-cal...

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

EPA today denied a petition submitted by several outside groups for the agency to implement a ban on the production and distribution of lead hunting ammunition. EPA reached this decision because the agency does not have the legal authority to regulate this type of product under the Toxic Substances Control Act -- nor is the agency seeking such authority.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

That's great news. That would have been a hot potato for the Dems and another rally cry for us.

Yohan, That is the most right on post from you I have ever read. Gave you a + for that one.

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from Scott Jones wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Bullseye, Yohan.

I probably deer hunt more than anything, but the most fun I have is dove, duck, and squirrel hunts with the buddies. I hunt alone alot, but the best hunts are with friends, family and good dogs.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

kidsdad, I'm with you. I like hunting alone unless I'm with family, most good friends have died the rest want to use me/you.

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from Nebraska Huntin... wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I answer: What do you have now?

Best to you,
Scott Croner™
Snake Hunting!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It also appears that a number of us who will sooner than later be counted in the number of " old war horses" ,. (yet apparently still have the juice)actually hunt alone for deer . At least in the lower 48 .
Didnt realisze to what extent until lately ,. and reading last few posts here has me convinced .

What Ive found is no matter where
North South East or West
Huntes are hunters,.different accent maybe diferent politics ,. but hunters are hunters ,.. period.
And it appears the 50 and above hurd ( of huntrs ) is geting thinned out pretty good. Which is very too bad.

Have to say tho ,.part of the reason I do it alone more now than before.
After doing my thing with and without "help" chasing deer for quiet a spell
The gadget Gue-rues( young old or in between ) kinda get on my nerves a little : )

Mostly cuase their always fiddle-f^^kin around with something new and shinny that goes clink clank or clack.
They make more noise usless noise than Glen Beck ,.. and ususally the same guys who take a
300 mag to a deer stand.
Then play didgital games on the latest "Berry" or ' "Tooth" phone.
Not THAT long ago ,.watched a nice (big) buck WALK past a "guest" at MAYBE 30 yards.
Said guest was in an elevated stand ( with a 300 mag ) playing the latest verison of digital "spank the monkey".

When I talked to him later ,.
I asked why he didnt shoot the deer that wlaked by his tree stand,.. his repsoce was
What deer?? ,. and I rest my case

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Yohan

Good comments. I suppose the only thing worse than the younger generation constantly fiddle-f****ng with techno-gadgets is the old farts playing with the damn things.

One of my friends who shall remain nameless was always bitchin' about the batteries going dead in his GPS handheld while mine lasted two or more days of use. I finally figured it out after watching him constantly fingering the key pad. Key strokes ain't free in the electronics world! A millivolt here and a milliamp there, then poof! dead batteries! LOL Another good reason to learn map and compass...

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from Hank111 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Yohan, its refreshing to read your posts after dealing with Walt and his always insulting opinions. Good luck this season.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

HEY GUYS

HEADS UP ,..
ENEMY INSIDE THE PERIMETER

I decided to try and find out where the junk adds were coming from.
Clicked on a link and the
ANTI SPY WEAR WENT FREAKING NUTS.

Best to simply ingnore any adds on this blog
Unless they have express blessings of F & S or associated Gue Rues

MY system for variosu reasons is pretty tight.
But the averge home ( or work ) system if not really beefed up may not be able to block the attack that just happend.

Have a good week

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from AlaskanExile wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Clay; My 338 is only about 6 pounds and it has an old, steel, Weaver K-4 for a scope. It has completely destroyed a Redfield-type mount but the Talleys I replaced it with has not slipped one bit. I'm sure that this rifle would destroy a weaker or more complex scope.
AKX

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from Tom-Tom wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

I buy what's best for myself given my applications, use, etc. For what the wife is now spending on a new bathroom I could have purchased an Ed Brown custom rifle and still had enough for a Swarovski scope; however, fellow bloggers, guess which will be used most often? At least we should all be able to agree on what is the best blog going. And Yohan, your first post rates more than the +1 I gave it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

The German Fraulein must have really given Yohan a jumpstart last week! YUK YUK

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

WAM
your a piece of work : ) Probably German too ,:)
But don't worry,.I wont hold that against you,. yuk yuk

Because we are afforded a degree of anonimity her I;ll tell you why Im in a fair to good mood.

Had a guy take a swing at me ( figuative, bisiness type swing ) but he missed.
Whioh gave me time to react.
So in the end the little jerk-wad slunk back into his hole with his tail tucked in tight.Lucky to still have a tail.

But it never f ing fails. any trouble I ever have is never with normal sized people.
So whats normal right.
Normal is peple who dont f k with me on a consistent basis for no decernable reason.
That is what normal is to me.

But the sawed off and or sklinny little f ers who need lifts in their shoes to pee at the big boy urnal and the skinny ones who don't weigh as much as my damn weed whacker are the ones I gotta look out for .

Now I should say here that some of my closest friends are vertically challenged and or slightly built.
But these are people who do NOT F with me .
They are not small minded ,. jealous and or envious prople.They infact cut a rather wide swath and I would not want one of them to be lookin at me sideways.
They just aint 6'3 or they dont weigh 200 lbs.

That said ( obvioulsy ) the sh!t can come from anyone
But in my section of Camelot ,..
If it comes its ususally from the sawed off,. skinney,.
small minded pi$$ ant wanna-bes with bad skin
who are the pains in my A$$. yuk yuk

That little prick (gone undetected ) could ahave taklen piece out of me,.. so now I have as does he
an enemy neither needed ,.
But it permanent,. he tried and failed so now he;s on the list.

So the good part is I beat his dumb A$$ serverley,.
The the bad part is that it had to be done.

It will take him years to recover from that ,.
and it didnt need to happen.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

WAM
your a piece of work : ) Probably German too ,:)
But don't worry,.I wont hold that against you,. yuk yuk

Because we are afforded a degree of anonimity her I;ll tell you why Im in a fair to good mood.

Had a guy take a swing at me ( figuative, bisiness type swing ) but he missed.
Whioh gave me time to react.
So in the end the little jerk-wad slunk back into his hole with his tail tucked in tight.Lucky to still have a tail.

But it never f ing fails. any trouble I ever have is never with normal sized people.
So whats normal right.
Normal is peple who dont f k with me on a consistent basis for no decernable reason.
That is what normal is to me.

But the sawed off and or sklinny little f ers who need lifts in their shoes to pee at the big boy urnal and the skinny ones who don't weigh as much as my damn weed whacker are the ones I gotta look out for .

Now I should say here that some of my closest friends are vertically challenged and or slightly built.
But these are people who do NOT F with me .
They are not small minded ,. jealous and or envious prople.They infact cut a rather wide swath and I would not want one of them to be lookin at me sideways.
They just aint 6'3 or they dont weigh 200 lbs.

That said ( obvioulsy ) the sh!t can come from anyone
But in my section of Camelot ,..
If it comes its ususally from the sawed off,. skinney,.
small minded pi$$ ant wanna-bes with bad skin
who are the pains in my A$$. yuk yuk

That little prick (gone undetected ) could ahave taklen piece out of me,.. so now I have as does he
an enemy neither needed ,.
But it permanent,. he tried and failed so now he;s on the list.

So the good part is I beat his dumb A$$ serverley,.
The the bad part is that it had to be done.

It will take him years to recover from that ,.
and it didnt need to happen.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

ahhh !!! sorry ~~~ doube post

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

TomTom ,.. hank111,.. Del kidsdad ,.I just said what you all think anyway or you wouldnt given a shout back
But thanks .

Ok (gotta woik ova her) as in work over here

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

I think a "thread" about us "older" gents hunting alone and kinda how we cope with the difficulties of such activities would be neat!
Bourjaily?
Bestul?
Hurteau?
How about it folks?

Bubba

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Yohan

LMAO! No, I'm not German, but rather Irish married to an Irish beauty. But I have been accused of being German before. Lived over there for several years, speak the language some, have real German friends, and some goofy German relatives, so I understand them (I think).

Some guys with little man's syndrome just can't leave well enough alone sometimes, can they? At 6'4", I don't have that problem myself. LOL! I never cast aspersions on a man becuse of his stature. Let 'em prove their mettle or show their a$$ without my help.

Best regards

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Napolean complex Yohan... littleman's syndrome. The one's who have to look up to everyone get a bad attitude.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

"Napoleon" I meant now I'm starting to spell like you. I have an Italian born Uncle who is about 5'4" but looks up to no one. Uncle Dante out in Vegas, if I ever need a favor... anything, no thanks uncle Don.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Told ya Ralph,. Im not a bad speller just bad typst ,.usually in a hurry ,..
hell,. im in hurry when i sleep.
Wear size XL gloves,. fingers not small so often hit 2 keys ,. just that simple.
You spell how you want if i can read OK if not
I dont read it yuk yuk,.does not matter to me
or if I get bored I dont read it.

Carefull there Ralph you know of course
those kinds of favors really dont exist,..
except on tv ,.. right ? : )

Later,..

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah right.... I know some guys in the Latin Kings gang here in Nashville that can do anything for $5,000 cash. Not exactly a favor but the price is right. But like you said only on TV. Oh and I don't mind your writing I can read it fine, it's your political views that bother me. You still think Obama was the right man for the job? You know his stimulus packages cost more than the war in Iraq and he has run up the national debt 2 trillion dollars in 421 days... It took W eight years to run it up 4.9 trillion. Buying any of those 1.5% CD's yet? It seems like the only way NOT to lose money.

I can't find out anything about the Barnes XXX bullet it is not on their website... did they change the name?

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Dr Ralph try TSX maybe that will work, those are great bullets.
Yo and WAM I know exactly what you mean about little guys. My best friend is a little guy and we get along fine (I'm 6'3" 270 lb). However there was a sawed off Sergeant Major in Alaska that if I would really enjoy meeting again some day now that we both are civilians.

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from dtownley wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Well reading exploits of Elmer Keith to the wife from his books has created some lonely rifles as the only one she consistantly hunts with is her 700 Classic .338 WM.(she is a lefty and says,"I only shoot'em once) She was handloading some 200gr.Hdy SP @ 2700fps but a good buy on some 225gr & 250gr Rem factory loads has her happy as a clam. Her .240 Wby MKV & 7-08 Rem Mdl 7 make up her 3 rifles of perfection(BEST). This little Italian seems near as recoil resistant as I have seen, 18rds into a box of .338's make me wince just seeing the empty brass. I have a beautiful FN Mauser W/Sako trigger in .358 Norma, I saw it at a gun show and had to have it. I won't say BEST but they keep loading the same one bullet weight, 250gr @2800fps and from the looks of the bullet it looks like a Hdy RN ? The 7MM REM MAG has been keeping me busy coming up on 30yr (BEST ?, CAPABLE... very much so)and I don't see it gathering to much dust.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Del

Did you mean "meeting" or "beating"? LOL

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Realph there are people who think,.
and then act ,. and there are people who react.

You obviously react ,.. are relativley short termpered and like to assign blame.
No one like that is a client of mine and
no adminisration is perfect.
Additio0nally I can say this.
Looking back over the adminstration ruled by Howdy Duty and hunter.
Large and numerous people,. would need to break both my arms and then start on my legs before I EVER AGAIN
consider casting a vote right of center .
This coming from a concervative liberal who has voted the right side of the isle in the past.

And its guys like you
who reinforce my thinking

So thank you very kindly
You to me are a riminder.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 32 weeks ago

"best" is a good article. i'll add it to my list of interesting and completely useless information. by the way dave, how many one shot kills did w.d.m. (karamojo) bell make on african elephants using the 7X57 mauser?

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

About the only lefty I ever knew who did not whine all the time about the lack of suitable rifles and shotguns was my dad. Somehow he always got by with a semi-customized Springfield and a Browning A-5. He did tell me that when he was at Fort Sill in '42 the army made him qualify with the .30 carbine firing right handed. He shot expert somehow before being shipped to the South Pacific with the 37th Division. I still miss the old Sarge.

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from MJC wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Knowing what's the best is good. The best is a model by which others are judged. It sets the standard so that others have to strive harder and we all get better stuff.

But most of the time, I end up asking 'What's the best?' and quickly follow it with 'What's good enough?' With the right amount of research, I've been happy with all my 'good enough' gear.

(In that vein, I'll probably pick up one of those Cold Steel Pendleton Lite Hunters you reviewed in the latest magazine.)

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Money is a wonderful thing if you have plenty of it. Clay I remember reading a study published by the Alaska Game and Fish probably 20-25 years ago. After considerable testing they decided to use .338 Win as their choice for dangerous situations involving large carnivores. The study was well done and documented utilized many cartridges large and small. The .338 was selected for all the reasons for which we like it so well. Tried and true is difficult to beat, don't care who you are.

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from Tony C. wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I've found the words "Remington 700" and "Remington 870" to be synonomous with reliability. And even the old Remington 7400 has rarely let me down, although I know what people think about autoloaders.

I've also found Leupold to be right there in that same category. These guns and optics may not be the best, but they're probably the best for the money.

Still trying to find boots that fit my criteria (a pair of Danners are on their way). And my budget Bushnell binoculars fit my eyes like a glove.

It's all relative.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Shane: I know no fear. Best general-purpose big-game rifle. The Bedrock Industries left-hand bolt gun made by Noveske Gun Works. Southpaw only. Immaculate. Perfect. Right-handers, eat your livers.

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from nc30-06 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dump the advertisers.

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from edalweber wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

In an old outdoor column years ago they had one of the best pieces of advice I ever saw."If you find some piece of gear that you REALLY like, be sure and buy an extra one. because if it is any good, they will stop making it."

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from yohan wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Ineresting original topic,.
Whats the best ,. best gun, best bullet, best scope, best hat , best of the best.
Best is a mighty big word, one reason being "Best" usually translates to to expensive and expencive knows no boundary.

Having spent most of my aduilt life chacing the coin.
Mostly because I didnt have squat when I was a kid
Think its safe to say now I'm not broke.
Which means I can do pretty much what I want, when i want,. within the realm of sanity and reason.

Reading some of these posts makes me think,.
.and since this is a shooting / hunting blog.
I was thinking,.. what have been the BEST TIMES Ive had while shooting / hunting .

When was that,. or is it yet to come ,.
Looking back.
Did my rifle cost 10K was I wearing 400 hunting boots ,was I carrying a $300 knife
Was I in a Westewrn state or Cananda or Africa.

Gota say none of the above ,. been to all of the above but it had nothing to do with location or the cost of the artillry and associated equipment.

Best times for me were with good men ( and boys)
not one of which had a 10k-20K rifle or $400 boots or $300 knife.There wasnt one custom anything in those camps.
There were,. good and well cared for arms
fair amount of handloaded ammo decent hunting cloths but nothing out of the ordinary.

What there was ,.
Was good trustworthy people who had moved beyond the gadget faze had their hunting kit assembled and were there to hunt and be a part of a group.
Me being an admited mauser and metric caliber geek for most of my life (not so much now )
Took the good natured ribbing from those who's two main (go to ) rifles were a 30-06 and a 338 Mag of what ever flavor mine being 8x57 and 9.3 x 62
But once past that ritual
The BEST TIMES are always where your friends are.
Not sure BEST is the right word in that context
as BEST again ususally goes to cost ,.
Pretty hard to have a good time no matter how much money is involved if your with jerks.
Plus last I checked you cant buy real friends ,.
you can buy a trip or a car or even a girlfriend for a time.

But you cant buy friends,.
So waaay before the best stuff I will always take the best people ,.then,. the stuff dosnt matter too much .

Yup,.. Best is an interesting word

What was the best times

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from Beekeeper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Buying smart and staying away from fads usually keeps me happy.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It's interesting the deference in advise you will get pending on your geographical location.

When I found out I was going to Alaska everyone said the best cartridge was 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag and 300 Weatherby Mag. But when I called one of the Fairbanks Game Biologists, he chuckled at the three I mentioned and told me the best and most favored amongst the locals is the 338 Win Mag, not to big, not to small, just right!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ATTENTION ALL F&S READERS: Dave Petzal hasn't used everything that's out there. He is no longer a god. Roll up your prayer mats and get back to work, boys...

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from Canadian Lurker wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ummmmm, looks like this Ed Browm rifle will be second hand.
"Ed Brown Custom Rifles
Effective August 15, 2010, we are no longer accepting new orders for rifles."
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi/start.cgi/customrifles.htm

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Canadian Lurker: How the hell did I miss that? I went to the Ed Brown website when I wrote the post. Anyway, this is a tragedy comparable to the Hindenburg disaster, the sinking of the Titanic, the Defenestration of Prague, or the birth of Sen. Chuck Schumer.

To Clay Cooper: Any time anyone says that the .338 is the best, regardless of purpose, all they will hear from me is a loud "Amen."

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Swift A-Frames are tops.

I'm embarrased Ed Brown lives in my state and so close to me. He is an arrogant sob, and so is his staff. Call the jerks, you'll see.

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from Gritz wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Everyone has their own underlying criteria for what is the best. Some people go completely on looks. Some people want to be comfortable. Some people want toys. Some people want things they can say are "worth" as much as they can afford. Sometimes these limitless criteria match up together, often they do not. Personally, only after looking back, I have found that I am more often looking for things that hold my confidence high over a long period of time. Every one out there, if they have bought enough stuff, have at some point or another purchased something they thought was great only to see a review or someone else's input years later rebuke and say how horrible this thing is. When I am truly happy with something I like to see that years later people are still using it and it is so good that it has gathered a following. I have seen great knives but my buck 119 and is still my favorite because I know that it has no flaws and works the way I thought it would. I like my Rem 700 because, unlike the 710 or 715, has not been found flawed to the point where the company had to redesign it or discontinue it. This is why I do not get too into gadgets. GPS units have been constantly changing every year and it is very difficult to spend money on something that is going to be bettered by next season. So I just avoid it all together. I look at what I want to be doing. I like simplistic hunting. Knife, gun, boots. All other stuff is just a distraction. I am fairly new to muzzleloading but this has been a struggle with me to find a good bullet. So to simplify, I have found that the most fun I have is when I take my Kentucky rifle with round ball and patch because when I had my inline out on the field I would be constantly wondering if the bullet I was using was some snake charm that I was duped into buying through advertising. Is it really going to expand? Is it really going to perform? I would rather know that I have a limit than to falsely believe that it was better than it really is. I think that most people just want something that really works. I laugh sometimes when I see all the scent blockers and scent attractants that are marketed. I don't know if they really work or not but if I don't put any expectations on them then I don't worry about it at all. My favorite memories of hunting come from when I grabbed my rifle and off of a hunch I walked to a "secret" spot and within an afternoon bag a deer that no one knew about. My worst memories of hunting were of the times when I tried to over think all the marketing and ballistics and spent hours setting up scent trails and controlling my own scent and rattling just right and so on and so on for the entire season while I had the biggest scope on the biggest rifle and wasted an entire season trying to gadget my way to a deer yet did not see a single living creature. Those seasons left me bitter and feeling like I was a patsy for the ad companies that "got" me so figured out that they successfully removed all the money from my wallet without putting anything in it's place except doubt.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It's even amazing what we can do at times on a Kool-Aid budget

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from Steve in Virginia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

This is good topic. You could go on and on in terms of products -- the best sling, the best tree stand, etc. If choosing only item is hard, you could always re-title the post as "Stuff That I Like."

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

My best is limited to what is in the gun safe. It's all I have which makes my choice easy.

Rarely are my "What is the best____" questions not followed by a dollar amount which further clouds the term "best".

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

DEP ~ I see this blog as a learning environment. If not your experiences, PB's insight or the "dirty dozen's" shedding light on our gun sport, I would be at a loss.

That said, surveys such as the "50 best" of anything from the usual suspects who post here, is damn well good enough for me. Besides, it's all taken with a grain of salt.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Everything I have is the best that I can afford or want to afford. Unless it is, I do without.

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from shane wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Not gonna touch "regular big game rifle"? I don't blame you.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Had a Colonel walk up to me on the range one day with a specific revolver I know more intimately than the Wife and asked What's The Best trigger job, where did I get my trigger job at and how much? No problem Sir, a simple clip with the wire cutters of 2 ½ loops on the spring and it was perfect! I withheld the Make and Model to protect the stupid and stupid doesn't even know the definition of intimately they think its plug and play!!

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from Bellringer wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The only thing between me and the best that there is available on the market is the shortage of green paper with pictures of dead presidents and Benjamin Franklin on them.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The best also needs to specify for what purpose... shooting long distances, up close and personal, the weight and toughness of the animal. There are so many bests that it is impossible to pick the best anything unless you know the exact circumstances under which the gear will be used.

Every hunt I go on I wish I had brought several guns and clothing options for the different situations that can arise in a single day. I think you are better off with gear that has proven itself in a variety of situations and environments. You can't go wrong with an ought six in almost any situation.

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from dickgun wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, Mr. Cooper, Yep,
I bought a .338 Alaskan in 1959 and took it with me to live in Alaska. I still have it (fondly) and it still shoots as well as ever. I have used it for nearly all of the species in AK at one time or another. Now that there is a wide variety of factory high quality loads in bullet weights from 200 - 300gr it is even more versatile. Strange that it took so long to become known for what it could do so well.

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Real close there kudukid!

Kinda my sentiments!
I would like the Rolls Royce, but I can't afford that! I'm not about to settle for the Ford Falcon either! Somewhere in between is a product that I can afford that my grandkids can say, "It was my grampaw's. Ain't it cool!" ... And their friends can say, "Wow, I wish I had one, but they don't make 'em like that anymore!"

One fella I met, had a hand-me-down cheapie blow up in his face. There were no injuries, just an impossibly loud fright! From then on, he would buy a new shotgun and rifle every year. In the spring, he would sell both items and buy new.

Bubba

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from white bison wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

That's an easy topic...lots of excellent choices & preferences out there.
A BETTER TOPIC would be what cartridges in each class of hunting...varmint, light deer game, medium game, heavy game, dangerous game. Now, there would be a worthy discussion! This one is too easy.
Best Regards,
Tom

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To buyinggolfonline, 'Who Cares'?

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, Jack O'Connor said that an individual could get by nicely in life owning only three guns, an '06, .22 long rifle, and 12 ga shotgun. While this is probably true, life would be pretty boring and gun writers would be out of work in pretty short order. I will say this, beware the man who shoots one gun.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

You can't beat the 338 Win Mag for a great all-around cartridge. I've used mine for everything.

I think the "best" i.e. 95% soloution to Zeiss, Leica, and other "high-end" binoculars is the Nikon Monarch ATB. Less than $300, light, bright and clear, and I can use it without taking off my glasses.

CamelBack makes the "Best" backpacks as far as I'm concerned.

Knives of Alaska makes some great purpose-designed knives that are well-built and stay sharp cut after cut.

The "Best Rifle" is a tough call. Whatever works for you is best I guess. Ruger, Remington and Savage are very tough to beat in my opinion.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave and/or Phil -
Either of you want to comment on the latest from the EPA concerning the banning of all lead in both ammo and fishing (lead shot)? Here's the link to the article that is currently posted on the top of the Drudge Report -http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/epa-reviewing-request-ban-led-bullets.

If this thing goes through, hunting as we know it will be effectively squashed. It's one thing to have to use steel shot for waterfowl, but spending twice what we currently pay for high-end or even mediocre rifle ammo will eliminate a good portion of the hunting community, especially in these already difficult financial times.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile & Clay: My son and I have shot everything from prairie dogs to elk with .338 Win. I always used 250 gr but recently went to 225 gr hoping to flatten the trajectory a bit. Actually I can't see much difference in performance. Knives of Alaska are wonderful. I wish I had spent the extra dollars for the stag handles but in my heart I know the synthetic ones are best for what I use them for in the field. Still stag sure is pretty.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile,
That's what I need is binocs I don't have to remove my glasses. I new it would be in the $300 range but it's less than others.

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from Scott Jones wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Bullseye, Yohan.

I probably deer hunt more than anything, but the most fun I have is dove, duck, and squirrel hunts with the buddies. I hunt alone alot, but the best hunts are with friends, family and good dogs.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

kidsdad, I'm with you. I like hunting alone unless I'm with family, most good friends have died the rest want to use me/you.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

HEY GUYS

HEADS UP ,..
ENEMY INSIDE THE PERIMETER

I decided to try and find out where the junk adds were coming from.
Clicked on a link and the
ANTI SPY WEAR WENT FREAKING NUTS.

Best to simply ingnore any adds on this blog
Unless they have express blessings of F & S or associated Gue Rues

MY system for variosu reasons is pretty tight.
But the averge home ( or work ) system if not really beefed up may not be able to block the attack that just happend.

Have a good week

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from AlaskanExile wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Clay; My 338 is only about 6 pounds and it has an old, steel, Weaver K-4 for a scope. It has completely destroyed a Redfield-type mount but the Talleys I replaced it with has not slipped one bit. I'm sure that this rifle would destroy a weaker or more complex scope.
AKX

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

The German Fraulein must have really given Yohan a jumpstart last week! YUK YUK

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

I think a "thread" about us "older" gents hunting alone and kinda how we cope with the difficulties of such activities would be neat!
Bourjaily?
Bestul?
Hurteau?
How about it folks?

Bubba

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Yohan

LMAO! No, I'm not German, but rather Irish married to an Irish beauty. But I have been accused of being German before. Lived over there for several years, speak the language some, have real German friends, and some goofy German relatives, so I understand them (I think).

Some guys with little man's syndrome just can't leave well enough alone sometimes, can they? At 6'4", I don't have that problem myself. LOL! I never cast aspersions on a man becuse of his stature. Let 'em prove their mettle or show their a$$ without my help.

Best regards

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah right.... I know some guys in the Latin Kings gang here in Nashville that can do anything for $5,000 cash. Not exactly a favor but the price is right. But like you said only on TV. Oh and I don't mind your writing I can read it fine, it's your political views that bother me. You still think Obama was the right man for the job? You know his stimulus packages cost more than the war in Iraq and he has run up the national debt 2 trillion dollars in 421 days... It took W eight years to run it up 4.9 trillion. Buying any of those 1.5% CD's yet? It seems like the only way NOT to lose money.

I can't find out anything about the Barnes XXX bullet it is not on their website... did they change the name?

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from dtownley wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Well reading exploits of Elmer Keith to the wife from his books has created some lonely rifles as the only one she consistantly hunts with is her 700 Classic .338 WM.(she is a lefty and says,"I only shoot'em once) She was handloading some 200gr.Hdy SP @ 2700fps but a good buy on some 225gr & 250gr Rem factory loads has her happy as a clam. Her .240 Wby MKV & 7-08 Rem Mdl 7 make up her 3 rifles of perfection(BEST). This little Italian seems near as recoil resistant as I have seen, 18rds into a box of .338's make me wince just seeing the empty brass. I have a beautiful FN Mauser W/Sako trigger in .358 Norma, I saw it at a gun show and had to have it. I won't say BEST but they keep loading the same one bullet weight, 250gr @2800fps and from the looks of the bullet it looks like a Hdy RN ? The 7MM REM MAG has been keeping me busy coming up on 30yr (BEST ?, CAPABLE... very much so)and I don't see it gathering to much dust.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

You can alway qualify your answer with the preamble, "In my opinion..."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

davidpetzal, the 338 is like a very fine and exquisite Lady indeed. Most of all, you just have to know how to handle with finesse and know how to dance with Her

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Bellringer

I learned from my Father at an early age, if you know how to turn the knobs and hold your jaw just right, you can give even the Big Boys HELL, even on the 1000 yard line! My Father sure gave the AAA Skeet shooter pure hell with a Winchester Model 12 and he did it all with it, From #9's to slugs! Shot just like the finest Skeet & Trap Gun to a Rifle

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Just as well Mr Brown is not gonna make rifles for a while, I was lusting big time!

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

"Right-handers, eat your livers"? Really now... that isn't even a word to begin with.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

OUCH!

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from jerry1958 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

ever heard the saying the most bang for your buck that is where the best for you is

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The biggest mistake I done is trading a Marlin 120. All it needed is a few parts replaced. It digested any load I put into it and didn't realize what I had when I replaced it later on

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from RJ Arena wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

A few of the folks above have made some good points, I have been selling for a long time and the first thing I do when someone asks "what is the best..." question is qualify them. What, where, when, how....etc. Throwing money at a problem almost never provides the best resolution.It is true that you get what you pay for, but also is the law of diminishing returns. So Dave, answer away, tell them exactly what you think.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Can we settle on best gas lantern? No?

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave, Say it ain't so. On Gun Nutz TV today it sounded like Eddie Nickens called the Model 71 Winchester a bolt gun. Maybe it was just my old Artillery ears.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Perhaps a better question is..."What's the best value for my dough that will both get the job done properly while suiting my exquisite and unique tastes?"

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It is easy go give an opinion regarding what is the best product available, but without knowing what actually works the best for an individual asking the question is impossible. It is in a sense, a rhetorical question. I say let the poor fool figure it out the same way the rest of us did, through a great deal of expense and trial and error. Regarding guns, figure out what you are gonna be shooting with it, what you can afford and learn to love it. Misses will occur from time to time, because of the human element, but get something you really like and learn how to use it. Failing that, move on to your next choice. Like golf, it is a game that cannot be won, only played.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

FirstBubba
You caught my drift...great minds etc.
Old Puma stag knives
Pre 64 70s
Gokey, Russell and Danner
Savage 99s
Win. 69
Bausch Zephyrs
You could have bought all this 50 years ago and it will still be going strong 50 years from now.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

dickgun

Back in 90, I wrote Hornady for the need of a 338 diameter 250 Soft Point Boat Tail and Steve Hornady himself wrote back the need for such of a bullet was not needed or required. This shows how much the Bullet Industry knew what the Sportsmen really needed, they just finally getting around to get their heads out of there butts!

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from PbHead wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

A very interesting and informative post Dave. How about one on the other end of the scale? I would call it, "Adequate". For instance a $300 Marlin bolt action, $120 Redfield scope with rings and mounts and $10,000 worth of practice ammo. Better make that two boxes of ammo and a Lee Loader plus components.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Jim in Mo. I beg to differ. I've dealt with Ed and Travis for a number of years, and they have never been rude; quite the contrary. Ed is blunt, and opinionated, and short with people who he thinks are wasting his time, but then I've heard the same things said about myself, and I am a hell of a nice guy.

To Del in KS: I dunno. My ears are probably worse than yours, even though I was not a redleg. Eddie is beyond my control anyway.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Del and David: I also heard the "bolt action Model 71" comment by Eddie. It was not quite as apparent as Dave switching from a Blaser to the Marlin for a long microsecond during the same shooting session on a previous program.
By the way if any of you liked the Boondock Saints movies take a look at Travolta in From Paris with Love or was it With Love from Paris? Regardless the movie is available on DVD and is a highly entertaining, action packed, comical, full blown shootem up even if unrealistic.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

To Ishawooa: Thanks for the intel. I will make sure Eddie is beaten severely.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

to clay cooper: hornady (or any other manufacturer) would also do well to introduce a 133 grain caliber .257 bullet. rifles would probably need a 1 in 9 twist but this would do a lot to revitalize a stagnant old caliber.
ammo manufacturers,as with most businessmen ,tend to stick with the tried and true sometimes to the detriment of progress.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Hunting gear, guns, etc. are so purpose-built that the best gun for one thing would be the worst for another. That goes for calibers, too.

On the other hand, when someone asks you that, it's a teaching moment. Don't laugh or sneer at dumb questions; if you know little, every question someone who knows nothing asks is a good one, to him.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

RES1956 I read that book too. And people say he was a .270 man. He said the problem with the '06 was all of the stores stocked only 200 grain bullets in his day instead of the fast stepping 150's which were much better in his opinion.

He may have had high praise for the .270 Win. but he killed a lot of game with the 30-06 Springfield. Cactus Jack used to be my favorite gun writer before I discovered Dave's sarcastic wit and intellect. Right-handers still isn't a word though...

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from jim in nc wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Petzal is humble enough (DP? humble?) to say he doesn't know what the "best" of this or that is, but if you word your question right, you can get what you want out of him. I asked him once, What rifle scope would you buy for yourself if you only had $500, max? He gave me an answer, and boy did it turn out to be a winner. You just gotta box the rascal in.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Dave Petzal,
Yes but you are not Jim in Mo. You can waltz in his shop anyday, I can't.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

And Jack O'Connor spent a lot of time with the 7mm Mauser, too.

buyinggolfonline is probably a spam account.

I loved From Paris With Love. For once, John Travolta wasn't a bad guy. Or a turncoat or a double agent or whatever.

Tom/white bison, DEP and F&S already had published such a cartridge guide for varmint, deer, long range, dangerous game, etc., July last year or 2008. I think it should be posted on the web.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

O'Garcia I bought a 7mm Mauser Ruger No. 1 just because of O'Connor and his praise for how much more performance it gave for what it was. He was right. For some reason it is not that impressive on paper but in the field it is a super-hero...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

1uglymutha

Having a bullet heavier than 120 in .257 would be inferior due to the new flavors of Barnes, Hornady GMX and other expandable solids out there. Personally, shooting a Mule Deer with a 25-05 120 grain Nosler Partition 120 does as much damage as a 30-06 180 grain soft point! That solid bottom at 3000+ fps sure does allot of damage!

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Cactus Jack and Elvis died about the same time and I hear about one or the other almost every day. I met Elvis once and he was a handgun shooter, had two Colt SAAs in .45 Colt with him that day. Jack used many many cartridges as can be determined by his writing. It turns out that maybe he enjoyed hunting tigers moreso than mountain sheep according to the Atchesons of Butte. He did not use a .270 on those outings.

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from ishawooa wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

DEP, once my oldest daughter had a brief career as an up and coming professional singer before illecit drugs almost ruined her life. She was on television several times either solo or as part of a singing group. When I watched the performance live it was vastly different than when viewed on TV as the latter almost always showed one mistake or another that was evident to the close observer. I think I have a stock off an old lever action Model 54 if you need it to beat Eddie. You guys have the most educational shooting program on the tube with Gun Nuts, its even entertaining...sometimes.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

AlaskanExile

One thing about the 338 Win Mag, cheap scopes have a very allergic reaction to the recoil. When I first got my 338, I had a spare Weaver laying around not exactly a cheap scope, bot it looked as if you heaved a 10# hammer through it! Weaver would not warranty it because they changed hands several times. The crosshairs looks like you would find on the shower room floor in a Truck Stop, YUCK!

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

The EPA is accepting public comments on the proposed lead ban effort led by the evil Center for Biologic Diversity.

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#submitComment?R=0900006...

Give 'em some comments!
The NRA,and the NSSF have sent letters to the EPA,to Ms. Jackson,who David Petzal gave a link to in the "Why I should have been dead years ago" post.
If we don't get enough comments to the EPA,these people could get this atrocity passed into law.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I know it's slightly off topic,but it is good news.
Commonsense prevails,EPA denies lead ammunition ban petition.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/08/epa-denies-petition-cal...

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

EPA today denied a petition submitted by several outside groups for the agency to implement a ban on the production and distribution of lead hunting ammunition. EPA reached this decision because the agency does not have the legal authority to regulate this type of product under the Toxic Substances Control Act -- nor is the agency seeking such authority.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

That's great news. That would have been a hot potato for the Dems and another rally cry for us.

Yohan, That is the most right on post from you I have ever read. Gave you a + for that one.

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from Nebraska Huntin... wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I answer: What do you have now?

Best to you,
Scott Croner™
Snake Hunting!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Yohan

Good comments. I suppose the only thing worse than the younger generation constantly fiddle-f****ng with techno-gadgets is the old farts playing with the damn things.

One of my friends who shall remain nameless was always bitchin' about the batteries going dead in his GPS handheld while mine lasted two or more days of use. I finally figured it out after watching him constantly fingering the key pad. Key strokes ain't free in the electronics world! A millivolt here and a milliamp there, then poof! dead batteries! LOL Another good reason to learn map and compass...

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from Hank111 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

Yohan, its refreshing to read your posts after dealing with Walt and his always insulting opinions. Good luck this season.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

I buy what's best for myself given my applications, use, etc. For what the wife is now spending on a new bathroom I could have purchased an Ed Brown custom rifle and still had enough for a Swarovski scope; however, fellow bloggers, guess which will be used most often? At least we should all be able to agree on what is the best blog going. And Yohan, your first post rates more than the +1 I gave it.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

TomTom ,.. hank111,.. Del kidsdad ,.I just said what you all think anyway or you wouldnt given a shout back
But thanks .

Ok (gotta woik ova her) as in work over here

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Napolean complex Yohan... littleman's syndrome. The one's who have to look up to everyone get a bad attitude.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

"Napoleon" I meant now I'm starting to spell like you. I have an Italian born Uncle who is about 5'4" but looks up to no one. Uncle Dante out in Vegas, if I ever need a favor... anything, no thanks uncle Don.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Told ya Ralph,. Im not a bad speller just bad typst ,.usually in a hurry ,..
hell,. im in hurry when i sleep.
Wear size XL gloves,. fingers not small so often hit 2 keys ,. just that simple.
You spell how you want if i can read OK if not
I dont read it yuk yuk,.does not matter to me
or if I get bored I dont read it.

Carefull there Ralph you know of course
those kinds of favors really dont exist,..
except on tv ,.. right ? : )

Later,..

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Dr Ralph try TSX maybe that will work, those are great bullets.
Yo and WAM I know exactly what you mean about little guys. My best friend is a little guy and we get along fine (I'm 6'3" 270 lb). However there was a sawed off Sergeant Major in Alaska that if I would really enjoy meeting again some day now that we both are civilians.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Del

Did you mean "meeting" or "beating"? LOL

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 32 weeks ago

"best" is a good article. i'll add it to my list of interesting and completely useless information. by the way dave, how many one shot kills did w.d.m. (karamojo) bell make on african elephants using the 7X57 mauser?

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

how about Best Magazine? :)

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

ahhh !!! sorry ~~~ doube post

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

Realph there are people who think,.
and then act ,. and there are people who react.

You obviously react ,.. are relativley short termpered and like to assign blame.
No one like that is a client of mine and
no adminisration is perfect.
Additio0nally I can say this.
Looking back over the adminstration ruled by Howdy Duty and hunter.
Large and numerous people,. would need to break both my arms and then start on my legs before I EVER AGAIN
consider casting a vote right of center .
This coming from a concervative liberal who has voted the right side of the isle in the past.

And its guys like you
who reinforce my thinking

So thank you very kindly
You to me are a riminder.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

It also appears that a number of us who will sooner than later be counted in the number of " old war horses" ,. (yet apparently still have the juice)actually hunt alone for deer . At least in the lower 48 .
Didnt realisze to what extent until lately ,. and reading last few posts here has me convinced .

What Ive found is no matter where
North South East or West
Huntes are hunters,.different accent maybe diferent politics ,. but hunters are hunters ,.. period.
And it appears the 50 and above hurd ( of huntrs ) is geting thinned out pretty good. Which is very too bad.

Have to say tho ,.part of the reason I do it alone more now than before.
After doing my thing with and without "help" chasing deer for quiet a spell
The gadget Gue-rues( young old or in between ) kinda get on my nerves a little : )

Mostly cuase their always fiddle-f^^kin around with something new and shinny that goes clink clank or clack.
They make more noise usless noise than Glen Beck ,.. and ususally the same guys who take a
300 mag to a deer stand.
Then play didgital games on the latest "Berry" or ' "Tooth" phone.
Not THAT long ago ,.watched a nice (big) buck WALK past a "guest" at MAYBE 30 yards.
Said guest was in an elevated stand ( with a 300 mag ) playing the latest verison of digital "spank the monkey".

When I talked to him later ,.
I asked why he didnt shoot the deer that wlaked by his tree stand,.. his repsoce was
What deer?? ,. and I rest my case

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

WAM
your a piece of work : ) Probably German too ,:)
But don't worry,.I wont hold that against you,. yuk yuk

Because we are afforded a degree of anonimity her I;ll tell you why Im in a fair to good mood.

Had a guy take a swing at me ( figuative, bisiness type swing ) but he missed.
Whioh gave me time to react.
So in the end the little jerk-wad slunk back into his hole with his tail tucked in tight.Lucky to still have a tail.

But it never f ing fails. any trouble I ever have is never with normal sized people.
So whats normal right.
Normal is peple who dont f k with me on a consistent basis for no decernable reason.
That is what normal is to me.

But the sawed off and or sklinny little f ers who need lifts in their shoes to pee at the big boy urnal and the skinny ones who don't weigh as much as my damn weed whacker are the ones I gotta look out for .

Now I should say here that some of my closest friends are vertically challenged and or slightly built.
But these are people who do NOT F with me .
They are not small minded ,. jealous and or envious prople.They infact cut a rather wide swath and I would not want one of them to be lookin at me sideways.
They just aint 6'3 or they dont weigh 200 lbs.

That said ( obvioulsy ) the sh!t can come from anyone
But in my section of Camelot ,..
If it comes its ususally from the sawed off,. skinney,.
small minded pi$$ ant wanna-bes with bad skin
who are the pains in my A$$. yuk yuk

That little prick (gone undetected ) could ahave taklen piece out of me,.. so now I have as does he
an enemy neither needed ,.
But it permanent,. he tried and failed so now he;s on the list.

So the good part is I beat his dumb A$$ serverley,.
The the bad part is that it had to be done.

It will take him years to recover from that ,.
and it didnt need to happen.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 33 weeks ago

WAM
your a piece of work : ) Probably German too ,:)
But don't worry,.I wont hold that against you,. yuk yuk

Because we are afforded a degree of anonimity her I;ll tell you why Im in a fair to good mood.

Had a guy take a swing at me ( figuative, bisiness type swing ) but he missed.
Whioh gave me time to react.
So in the end the little jerk-wad slunk back into his hole with his tail tucked in tight.Lucky to still have a tail.

But it never f ing fails. any trouble I ever have is never with normal sized people.
So whats normal right.
Normal is peple who dont f k with me on a consistent basis for no decernable reason.
That is what normal is to me.

But the sawed off and or sklinny little f ers who need lifts in their shoes to pee at the big boy urnal and the skinny ones who don't weigh as much as my damn weed whacker are the ones I gotta look out for .

Now I should say here that some of my closest friends are vertically challenged and or slightly built.
But these are people who do NOT F with me .
They are not small minded ,. jealous and or envious prople.They infact cut a rather wide swath and I would not want one of them to be lookin at me sideways.
They just aint 6'3 or they dont weigh 200 lbs.

That said ( obvioulsy ) the sh!t can come from anyone
But in my section of Camelot ,..
If it comes its ususally from the sawed off,. skinney,.
small minded pi$$ ant wanna-bes with bad skin
who are the pains in my A$$. yuk yuk

That little prick (gone undetected ) could ahave taklen piece out of me,.. so now I have as does he
an enemy neither needed ,.
But it permanent,. he tried and failed so now he;s on the list.

So the good part is I beat his dumb A$$ serverley,.
The the bad part is that it had to be done.

It will take him years to recover from that ,.
and it didnt need to happen.

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