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August 02, 2010

Rifle Review: Petzal Tests the Savage Edge

By David E. Petzal

Well, the Edge does not cost $4,000; its MSRP is $320 or so, but then on the other hand I wasn’t invited to Chelsea Clinton’s wedding, and I have to get over that, too. Whatever. The Edge is Savage’s new econo-rifle. It comes in long and short versions from .223 to .30/06, and employs a new, simplified action to hold down costs. The stock is molded, a nice clean job with no mold lines and a very good fit around the metal. It has a recoil pad that actually soaks up recoil, and feeds from a detachable box magazine that works fine.

I got a .308 to shoot. It weighed 6 ¼ pounds, had a 22-inch barrel (all Edges do) that was notably rough, but despite this, shot well. To wit:

Federal Gold Medal 168-gr. Sierra Matchking: .888
Federal Vital-Shok 165-gr Sierra GameKing: .945
Remington 150-gr. Core-Lokt SP: 1.311
Winchester 147-gr. FMJ: 1.501
Winchester 150-gr. Silvertip: 1.963

The wild hair is the trigger. It’s not the Accu-Trigger, but a much simpler and non-adjustable mechanism that, on my rifle, scaled 6 pounds 4 ounces and had unlimited creep. Pulling it was like hauling Rosie O’Donnell down a bad road. Savage advises that altering it will void the warranty on the rifle and result in an unsafe condition. It’s possible that I got a bad trigger and that the others are fine. If I were in the market for an Edge, I would try it in person and not buy it sight unseen.

That aside, I like the Edge. It’s light, tough, accurate with ammo that agrees with it, and will get you into the woods and hunting for very little money. Savagearms.com

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from jjas wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Every review I've read has been very positive. Sounds like Savage has another winner on their hands.

Remington might want to take note.....It's been a long time since they've brought out anything worth owning IMHO.....

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Is a Savage without an Accu-Trigger still a Savage?

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave,

I've looked over several of these rifles in store and they are affordable. The ones I've seen have been selling for real world prices of around $279. As you said the wild card is the trigger. The first one I ran across was an honest 12 pounder! The last two were 7 & 8 respectively. I advised a young friend to save a bit more and buy the 111 with the accutrigger.

I was looking to pick one up in .223 for a truck/boat gun. After checking out the tiggers on the three I'll take my own advice and buy the 111 as I can get it in a lefty anyway. Maybe some complaining will have an effect and Savage will put a little effort into the triggers.

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from MJC wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Thanks for the review. I was wondering about this one.

Sounds like a good rifle, but it seems like the 'best in class' award (the class here being inexpensive big game rifles) still goes to Marlin's XL7.

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from Cgull wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Plenty of 111's to be found for the same price of the Edge. I found a Savage 111FCNS 25-06 with accutrigger and acuustock for 300. I pick the 111 over the Edge. Here's a review of the 111FCNS.

Recently, I ran some 400 rounds of .30-06 ammo through the Savage Model 111FCNS AccuStock rifle. With factory Hornady GMX 150 grain ammunition, the average 100 yard group size measured one inch (1 MOA). With 150 grain Stars & Stripes ammo, the average 100 yard group size shrunk still further, to 9/10ths of one inch, with the best group fired measuring right at 0.1 inches center to center. All this in 42 degree F. weather, with the wind variable at 11 to 17 mph. This level of real-world accuracy is rarely achieved with an out of the box rifle shooting hunting ammunition, yet that is exactly what the Savage did. The trick is to hazard a guess as to the precise role the AccuStock played in all this, as accuracy is comprised of countless factors. For comparison’s sake, note that a 2009 Winchester Super-Grade Model 70 recently tested by the G & S Online staff (see the Product Review Page for details) could manage no better than a smallest group size of 1-1/8 inch, despite being fed four different types of ammunition and with three different test-shooters having a go at it.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_111FCNS_AccuStock_rifle.htm

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

MJC hit on a real point. The Marlin XL7 is a pretty nice rifle for the dollars laid out.
I'm glad to see Savage getting back in the "Po boy" market.
I don't know if folks around here just don't see/use/care for them or not, but the H&R Handi-rifle is a jim dandy starter rifle for a young man and a hard to beat bang around gun! A competent gun smith can stone the action until you end up with a pretty nice trigger!

Bubba
P.S. I'm all about firearms for the fiscally challenged!! Go Savage!!

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

And you think the Savage 110 is ugly!

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Walt--you're always so negative--LOL--I think my Model 110 is beautiful--in a ugly black synthetic stock sort of way!

Good to see Savage put a little pressure on in the econo-rifle market. The trigger seems to be a concern, but I bet they sell pretty well.

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from fortycal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The trigger issue concerns me more than the fact that this is one ugly bastard. All in all, it seems to be worth the price. What I do expect is for this gun to sell a great many 111s as the incremental increase in price will be small compared to a better trigger,etc. Also Dave, you did'nt miss much at Chelsea's wedding. The band was lousy, the food sucked, and I had to leave the XD in the truck.

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from micropterus wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I own a model 12FV and I love the AccuTrigger so much that I am actually a little bit mad that Savage has this model without the AccuTrigger.
I take that back, now that I think about it I'm actually pissed off. If they aren't going to feature the AccuTrigger then they might as well just suck it up and make the rifle cost $50 more or something. Ugh.

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave,

I happend to think about this while out and about. I own a Savage MKII LH .22LR that came with an Accutrigger. I have compared that trigger to the Accutriggers on my other centerfire Savages and they appear to be the same. The .22 set me back $149. The non Accutrigger models of the MK II .22 sell for about $129.

So... is Savage using the "Edge" to sell its 111's or do we expect to see an accutrigger model in the future...?

Could Mr. Coburn be looking for ways to cheapen the already cheap 110/10?

Also... why did Savage have to name the rifle after a guitar player for the Irish band U2?

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

no accu trigger, forget it, if I'm going to shoot an ugly rifle it will at least shoot sub-moa and have a flawless trigger to make up for what it lacks in good looks.

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Seadog-- I'm not negative, I'm truthful to a fault! I have a Savage 110 and I love its looks also, and that with the rattle can camo paint job on the stock,Ha Ha! Petzal is the one who (Whom I was talking at! ) thinks they are "horrible looking", funny it shoots moa without a accu trigger!

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

they are really ugly rifles. if you are going to skimp on building a rifle, why would you do it in the trigger?

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

That's FUGLY

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Beekeeper: This is all way above my pay grade. Ron Coburn is inscrutable.

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from shane wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Bee - it's called the Edge because when you see it, it sends you over the Edge. Or maybe it's because to set the damn thing off you have to tie a string to the trigger and toss it over the Edge of a cliff.

Agreed that the Marlin X7 series still reigns in the bargain rifle bracket. Easily. It shoots straighter, looks much better/more traditional, and has a great trigger.

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from Jeff270 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Rifles are like woman, if they are not aesthetically pleasing, they better have other talents to offer if they ever to be taken out to play.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Well then, it is not a good looking gun to me, either. As for the price, you can't beat the accuracy based on Dave's findings.( I do believe DP could get MOA out of a "zip gun")Having said this, I still would spend the few extra dollars and get the Mod-111...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Why do they go this length to bring an affordable rifle and skimp on the trigger. Kinda like installing electrical wire in a house that barely meets code and is still questionable on that, MADE IN ????

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from Cbass wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Nice review DP.
I can understand the agony of pulling a trigger that's chalk-full of creep. My cookie-cutter Ruger probably had an even worse one- hard-pulling and lacking consistency. That said, that rifle has been my "Old Faithful" for years.
From what I gathered of the review, I could see someone like myself taking care of this ugly bastard and making it their own go-to rifle.
It's a Savage, so one can draw two conclusions: It can shoot a good group, and it's ugly. Good looks are for ladies. And $23,000 double rifles. And Bourjaily & Petzal on T.V. Because they wear make-up. Just kidding.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I love my Savage but I guess in this economy they have to compete where they can. I love their Classic or American models made today.
PS., the Savage 110/111 is not ugly unless your looking at rifles made pre 1990. What is ugly is Win. M70's made post 1949.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Hilarious post and a review on a budget rifle I had been wondering about. Truly humorous indeed.

One question, how much did it weigh?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Flipped over to Savage Arms and the first thing that caught my eye they did right was barrel twist!

22-250 REM 1 in 12" 22"

223 REM 1 in 9" 22" They got it right!

243 WIN 1 in 9.25" 22"

25-06 REM 1 in 10" 22"

270 WIN 1 in 10" 22"

30-06 SPFLD 1 in 10" 22"

308 WIN 1 in 10" 22"

And for you guys who can't handle a 30 cal,

7MM-08 REM 1 in 11.5" 22"

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I don't think it is that ugly. $300 and out the door real world price for a minute of angle gun? Then again like the other Ralph says Dave could get minute of angle out of a zip gun...

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I would rather drag Rosie down a gravel road than own a rifle with a sh!tty trigger. What the he!! was they thinking. That accutrigger is the main attraction IMO to a Savage bolt gun.

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from Jim in Avon wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

If you can shoot sub-inch groups with this puppy, the trigger unpleasantness must not be insurmountable. And, sick though I may be, I've always found Savages to be comely. Weatherbys? No. But then, the head cheerleader never dated me, either.

A working-man's rifle is something to be...

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Ugly is a relative thing!
Remember guys, you can still go to the grocery store and get paper sacks! LOL!!

Bubba

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from huntnow wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The asthetics are horrendous. Also, DEP shooting MOA groups with a bad trigger and me duplicating those results are unlikely. You have to consider the shooter. While I'm not a bad shot, I'd be crazy to think I could shoot with Petzal.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The Edge is an interesting piece. The grip wrist appears to be a bit slender and has too much sweep for large hands or a sharp recoiling cartridge. Also, the receiver looks a bit fat ala Remington 700. Fugly is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but a 6 to 7 pound non-adjustable trigger is F-U-G-L-Y, I don't care who you are! Personally, I would be about as inclined to buy one of them as I would a $10,000 Krieghoff.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Woops, meant to say Remington 770! (another cut corners rifle)

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from Bubba Squirrel wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

No wonder you weren't invited to the wedding. You should be grateful that being in possession of a deadly automatic assault weapon such as that didn't get you locked up.

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Wait, he wanted to go to the wedding? Say it ain't so, Dave...

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from CJ wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Willy called me and asked why I didn't show. I explained that I was in Spain with Michelle and he seemed to understand.

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I look at Hillary and Chelsea and think "WHO the hell would want to marry THAT!", talk about FUGGLY!

"feeds from a detachable box magazine that works fine."

Dave, who is holding you hostage and where so we may mount a rescue? Praises for a detachable mag from Dave? Has to be a plea for help!

Warranty or not I bet I could make a good trigger out of it, and an hour or 2 spent working it in are worth the savings to me. I don't have the equipment to rework actions or barrels but I can rework a trigger!
BTW, crest toothpaste and a half hour or so of working a bolt does wonders for a so-so action, I have a Norinco JW-15 with a super slick action now thanks to Crest! Take the action out of the stock, coat the bolt and work it! Dribble a little water on it when it starts to get sticky and wash and oil well when done.

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from Treestand wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

IMHO~DP When can we see a look at the Mossberg 100ATR
with the LBA trigger???

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Jim in avon, funny you should mention the head cheerleader. A month ago I found her on facebook. She hardly knew I existed back then, now she don't look nearly as good as the gal I ended up with. Think 3 bills if you know what I mean. Sometimes it turns out good that you didn't get what you wanted haha.
Anyone looking for a deal on a CVA Accura Muzzleloader they have last years model for only $249 at Midway. It doesn't have the new finger removable breechplug. To save $200 I can use a wrench. Talk about a great trigger that gun breaks at about 2 lb like a glass rod with no discernable creep or overtravel. I love the thing. Coated the bore and breech plug with ultraborecoat and fired 20 shots to season the bore. Cleaned up with 2 wet patches and 4 dry patches no borebrush needed.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

This would definably fall under Petzal's: A Few Unkind Words About Progress

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

So why didn't you do some handloads for this rifle Dave as you did with the Warlord... I mean the warlord shot .6 and this one shot .9 both with factory federal ammo. You could have squeezed a half minute if you rolled your own.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave Chelsea's wedding was horrible, the served vegan cake, had no deer steaks, and I couldn't wear my camo tie either......

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph-- Maybe Savage doesn't have any sponser money in the TV series!

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

woodsman--a vegan cake? Is that a cake made out of vegans? It must have tasted horrible!

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

How the heck do you make a vegan cake? I'm reading that to mean no eggs, no butter, no milk, etc, right?

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

LMAO dukkillr, why bother, right? Doesn't sound like it would taste any better than my recipe.

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Yeah, seadog, I don't really see the point. Maybe they substituted beer... ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Here is a test David wouldn't mind doing!

http://www.diehard.com/torture-labs?video=power

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago
from jamesti wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

they didn't serve cake at chelsey's wedding. they ate a bunch of russian orphans instead.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

To Dr. Ralph: Good God, actually an intelligent question. I try to match the testing to the probable use of the rifle. Someone who buys a Warlord is practically compelled to take some pains with his ammo, while the buyer of an Edge will most likely use whatever is cheapest and let it go at that. Also, it was no fun hauling on that trigger.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

David, I have some 7.62 NATO M118 the really good stuff you can try in the next one

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Who was it that said along the line,

"Only accurate rifles (I like)"

__________________________________________

Something to think of, even a 2.0" group at 100 is still within "MOP" at 400 yards!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

DEP

Concur. I doubt anyone with a modicum of reloading equipment would even pickup an Edge. I think it targets the demographic that debates Core Lokt vs. W-W Power Points and thinks Fusion is the good stuff.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter- Are the animals less dead whe they are shot using this type of rifle or the ammmunition you mentioned?

This would be a rifle I would consider if I were on a more restricted budget.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter- Are the animals less dead whe they are shot using this type of rifle or the ammmunition you mentioned?

This would be a rifle I would consider if I were on a more restricted budget.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Anything to do with Rosie O’Donnell down any bad road yet alone the thought of I don't like!

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

seadog, dukkillr: I'm sorry, she had a gluten free cake, and had a vegan menu.... I hate typos. (then again I hate politicians to, some thing you just can't get rid of) I'm not sure how much she spent all together, but the cake itself cost 11 thousand dollars! do you know how much beer you could buy with 11 thousand dollars;) LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Jerry A.

No sir, both are fine deer bullets and have been used with great success. Just the folks who would buy that rifle are probably not into handloading and finer examples of weaponeering. Some of us are Rifle Looney's and others are not.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

WA Mnthunter-

I will concede your point. I have plenty of interest in premium rifles and ammunition, just have a police officer's budget. I normally use Core Lokt ammunition because it is the the most widely available and most generally affordable for the caliber of my deer rifle: 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.

I am looking into possibly starting to reload, but I need to save up the the initial money and it is currently lower on the list of priorities.

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from dbarry wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

+1 w/ beekeeper.

a) save 20 bucks and a lousy trigger, or
b)accutrigger plus $20.

Unless savage is in a contest to see who can build a high-power rifle the cheapest, hopefully we see version b soon.

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from dbarry wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

+1 w/ beekeeper.

a) save 20 bucks and a lousy trigger, or
b)accutrigger plus $20.

Unless savage is in a contest to see who can build a high-power rifle the cheapest, hopefully we see version b soon.

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from speedywalker wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

I have seen one other set of stats on this gun and they were even more impressive. How about some Hornady factory
loads verses similar Hornady handloads shot from a ransom rest? That should make it really interesting.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Weatherby for $299.00!

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

While savage has made many fine rifles over the years there have been some flops. I have a model 340 in .222 rem that shoots just terrible. The trigger on it is horrible and the wood to metal fit is rven worse. Altho i have bedded the barrel and action the gun still will not group well . Does anyone have any suggestions??

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

my advice? Get rid of what may be the ugliest rifle ever produced. Sell it as soon as possible and replace it with a weatherby vangaurd or savage 11 and consider it the best thing you ever did

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Well the Les Baer Tactical Recon in the American Rifleman you were comparing to the Warlord shot a .22" group using Federal factory ammo... I think if you are going to compare accuracy standards you have to draw the line somewhere...

I have a very good friend who can shoot 1/2 minute of angle groups with his reloads out of a rifle that cannot print 3" groups with factory ammo. Let's compare apples to apples.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

woodsmanj35 what do you shoot out of your 257 Weatherby Mag? I have had extremely poor results with the ballistic tips at short ranges (under 80 yards). Any suggestions? I really like the gun, it is comfortable, has a wonderful scope and is a light kicker but I have shot over 5 deer that fell down, got up ran and ran and ran after a perfect shot... by the way I usually kill everything at short range and I understand this gun was not designed for that but any input on Weatherby factory ammo would be greatly appreciated.

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from pacamper wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

Hey all,
I just bought one in a 223 and love it, no issues to date, have about 30 rounds out of her so far. At 100 yds i can cover my group with a quarter. Action is smooth and the trigger is fine. If you are lucky enough to get your hands on lots of different rifle and shoot them all you may have a gripe or two with some features of this firearm, no its not a weatherby or tica, the price says that, but for the dollar and the normal everyday hunter like me its a great firearm.

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from CBSavage wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Savage should have stayed with their original idea of calling this a Stevens. After all, Stevens IS their econo line of guns. Savage, better than anyone, should know that "triggers sell rifles". Five to 8 lb triggers with lots of over travel are a return to caveman days.

Note & question :
Cgull, Where oh where did you find a 111FCNS for $300??!? The very best price I've found after scouring the internet is $509 + S&H. There was one for $300 at the local gunshop but it'd been run over by the owner's kid in a PU truck. Only kidding...... except for the $509.

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from trentonator wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I recently bought the Savage Edge in 30-06 with a 3x9x40 Bushnell scope for $ 279 at Sports Authority. I am a rifle newbie, and was somewhat intimidated by a gun in this caliber. I was always told to buy as much gun as you could afford, but even with money tight I was leery of going too cheap. I originally looked at the Remington 770, and although it was reasonably priced, it felt like a cheap and very poorly made gun. I had read several reviews prior to buying the Edge and had heard generally good to great things. I mainly intended to use the gun for a couple of whitetail deer hunts at medium to close range and for occasional target shooting, so I didn’t want to spend a bunch of money, but wanted a servicable rifle that shot tight groups and was reliable and safe. My impressions my first time at the range were very favorable, it took me about 10 rounds to get it sighted in properly, but within 15 rounds I was shoting 1 to 1 1/2″ groups at 100 yds. The scope is actually a very useable one for my purposes and a pleasant surprise. My only complaint was that the trigger was a bit heavy and had a little bit of creep. I replaced it with a Rifle Basix adjustable trigger (online at $ 85 shipped) set to about 2 lbs and my groups are now 1″ or better. LOVE this gun now. I am embarrassing other shooters with more expereience and guns that cost them 5-8 times what I paid. This gun is going to sell like hotcakes.

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from Dockterdad wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Well I recently bought the Savage Edge 223, and the model 10, 308 with the accutrigger. Yes night and day trigger action from both. I too, wish Savage would at least make the accutrigger available for the Edge. Both shoot very tight groups and I enjoy them both, but I cheated and took my dremel tool with the stainless wire bursh and polished the action and put a little grease on it, which is now about a 3lb pull. Very smooth and light. Still would prefer the accutrigger for it. So maybe if Savage gets enough request from customers they will reevaluate their options.

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from jimmyjames wrote 34 weeks 3 days ago

The scope that came with my 308 Edge was blurry looking to these old eyes. I wasn't expecting much anyway. The real surprise was after putting a decent scope on this gun and sighting it in, I put 3 shots in about a nickle hole at 100yds with Winchester Ballistic Silvertips. Interesting about being able to put an aftermarket trigger in this gun for less than $100. As good as it shoots, that would be worth doing.

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave,

I've looked over several of these rifles in store and they are affordable. The ones I've seen have been selling for real world prices of around $279. As you said the wild card is the trigger. The first one I ran across was an honest 12 pounder! The last two were 7 & 8 respectively. I advised a young friend to save a bit more and buy the 111 with the accutrigger.

I was looking to pick one up in .223 for a truck/boat gun. After checking out the tiggers on the three I'll take my own advice and buy the 111 as I can get it in a lefty anyway. Maybe some complaining will have an effect and Savage will put a little effort into the triggers.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Every review I've read has been very positive. Sounds like Savage has another winner on their hands.

Remington might want to take note.....It's been a long time since they've brought out anything worth owning IMHO.....

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Is a Savage without an Accu-Trigger still a Savage?

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from MJC wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Thanks for the review. I was wondering about this one.

Sounds like a good rifle, but it seems like the 'best in class' award (the class here being inexpensive big game rifles) still goes to Marlin's XL7.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

they are really ugly rifles. if you are going to skimp on building a rifle, why would you do it in the trigger?

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from Jeff270 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Rifles are like woman, if they are not aesthetically pleasing, they better have other talents to offer if they ever to be taken out to play.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I love my Savage but I guess in this economy they have to compete where they can. I love their Classic or American models made today.
PS., the Savage 110/111 is not ugly unless your looking at rifles made pre 1990. What is ugly is Win. M70's made post 1949.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Flipped over to Savage Arms and the first thing that caught my eye they did right was barrel twist!

22-250 REM 1 in 12" 22"

223 REM 1 in 9" 22" They got it right!

243 WIN 1 in 9.25" 22"

25-06 REM 1 in 10" 22"

270 WIN 1 in 10" 22"

30-06 SPFLD 1 in 10" 22"

308 WIN 1 in 10" 22"

And for you guys who can't handle a 30 cal,

7MM-08 REM 1 in 11.5" 22"

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I don't think it is that ugly. $300 and out the door real world price for a minute of angle gun? Then again like the other Ralph says Dave could get minute of angle out of a zip gun...

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I would rather drag Rosie down a gravel road than own a rifle with a sh!tty trigger. What the he!! was they thinking. That accutrigger is the main attraction IMO to a Savage bolt gun.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

To Dr. Ralph: Good God, actually an intelligent question. I try to match the testing to the probable use of the rifle. Someone who buys a Warlord is practically compelled to take some pains with his ammo, while the buyer of an Edge will most likely use whatever is cheapest and let it go at that. Also, it was no fun hauling on that trigger.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

seadog, dukkillr: I'm sorry, she had a gluten free cake, and had a vegan menu.... I hate typos. (then again I hate politicians to, some thing you just can't get rid of) I'm not sure how much she spent all together, but the cake itself cost 11 thousand dollars! do you know how much beer you could buy with 11 thousand dollars;) LOL

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from Cgull wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Plenty of 111's to be found for the same price of the Edge. I found a Savage 111FCNS 25-06 with accutrigger and acuustock for 300. I pick the 111 over the Edge. Here's a review of the 111FCNS.

Recently, I ran some 400 rounds of .30-06 ammo through the Savage Model 111FCNS AccuStock rifle. With factory Hornady GMX 150 grain ammunition, the average 100 yard group size measured one inch (1 MOA). With 150 grain Stars & Stripes ammo, the average 100 yard group size shrunk still further, to 9/10ths of one inch, with the best group fired measuring right at 0.1 inches center to center. All this in 42 degree F. weather, with the wind variable at 11 to 17 mph. This level of real-world accuracy is rarely achieved with an out of the box rifle shooting hunting ammunition, yet that is exactly what the Savage did. The trick is to hazard a guess as to the precise role the AccuStock played in all this, as accuracy is comprised of countless factors. For comparison’s sake, note that a 2009 Winchester Super-Grade Model 70 recently tested by the G & S Online staff (see the Product Review Page for details) could manage no better than a smallest group size of 1-1/8 inch, despite being fed four different types of ammunition and with three different test-shooters having a go at it.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_111FCNS_AccuStock_rifle.htm

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

MJC hit on a real point. The Marlin XL7 is a pretty nice rifle for the dollars laid out.
I'm glad to see Savage getting back in the "Po boy" market.
I don't know if folks around here just don't see/use/care for them or not, but the H&R Handi-rifle is a jim dandy starter rifle for a young man and a hard to beat bang around gun! A competent gun smith can stone the action until you end up with a pretty nice trigger!

Bubba
P.S. I'm all about firearms for the fiscally challenged!! Go Savage!!

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

And you think the Savage 110 is ugly!

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Walt--you're always so negative--LOL--I think my Model 110 is beautiful--in a ugly black synthetic stock sort of way!

Good to see Savage put a little pressure on in the econo-rifle market. The trigger seems to be a concern, but I bet they sell pretty well.

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from micropterus wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I own a model 12FV and I love the AccuTrigger so much that I am actually a little bit mad that Savage has this model without the AccuTrigger.
I take that back, now that I think about it I'm actually pissed off. If they aren't going to feature the AccuTrigger then they might as well just suck it up and make the rifle cost $50 more or something. Ugh.

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave,

I happend to think about this while out and about. I own a Savage MKII LH .22LR that came with an Accutrigger. I have compared that trigger to the Accutriggers on my other centerfire Savages and they appear to be the same. The .22 set me back $149. The non Accutrigger models of the MK II .22 sell for about $129.

So... is Savage using the "Edge" to sell its 111's or do we expect to see an accutrigger model in the future...?

Could Mr. Coburn be looking for ways to cheapen the already cheap 110/10?

Also... why did Savage have to name the rifle after a guitar player for the Irish band U2?

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Seadog-- I'm not negative, I'm truthful to a fault! I have a Savage 110 and I love its looks also, and that with the rattle can camo paint job on the stock,Ha Ha! Petzal is the one who (Whom I was talking at! ) thinks they are "horrible looking", funny it shoots moa without a accu trigger!

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

That's FUGLY

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Well then, it is not a good looking gun to me, either. As for the price, you can't beat the accuracy based on Dave's findings.( I do believe DP could get MOA out of a "zip gun")Having said this, I still would spend the few extra dollars and get the Mod-111...

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from Cbass wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Nice review DP.
I can understand the agony of pulling a trigger that's chalk-full of creep. My cookie-cutter Ruger probably had an even worse one- hard-pulling and lacking consistency. That said, that rifle has been my "Old Faithful" for years.
From what I gathered of the review, I could see someone like myself taking care of this ugly bastard and making it their own go-to rifle.
It's a Savage, so one can draw two conclusions: It can shoot a good group, and it's ugly. Good looks are for ladies. And $23,000 double rifles. And Bourjaily & Petzal on T.V. Because they wear make-up. Just kidding.

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from Jim in Avon wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

If you can shoot sub-inch groups with this puppy, the trigger unpleasantness must not be insurmountable. And, sick though I may be, I've always found Savages to be comely. Weatherbys? No. But then, the head cheerleader never dated me, either.

A working-man's rifle is something to be...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The Edge is an interesting piece. The grip wrist appears to be a bit slender and has too much sweep for large hands or a sharp recoiling cartridge. Also, the receiver looks a bit fat ala Remington 700. Fugly is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but a 6 to 7 pound non-adjustable trigger is F-U-G-L-Y, I don't care who you are! Personally, I would be about as inclined to buy one of them as I would a $10,000 Krieghoff.

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from Bubba Squirrel wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

No wonder you weren't invited to the wedding. You should be grateful that being in possession of a deadly automatic assault weapon such as that didn't get you locked up.

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

I look at Hillary and Chelsea and think "WHO the hell would want to marry THAT!", talk about FUGGLY!

"feeds from a detachable box magazine that works fine."

Dave, who is holding you hostage and where so we may mount a rescue? Praises for a detachable mag from Dave? Has to be a plea for help!

Warranty or not I bet I could make a good trigger out of it, and an hour or 2 spent working it in are worth the savings to me. I don't have the equipment to rework actions or barrels but I can rework a trigger!
BTW, crest toothpaste and a half hour or so of working a bolt does wonders for a so-so action, I have a Norinco JW-15 with a super slick action now thanks to Crest! Take the action out of the stock, coat the bolt and work it! Dribble a little water on it when it starts to get sticky and wash and oil well when done.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Jim in avon, funny you should mention the head cheerleader. A month ago I found her on facebook. She hardly knew I existed back then, now she don't look nearly as good as the gal I ended up with. Think 3 bills if you know what I mean. Sometimes it turns out good that you didn't get what you wanted haha.
Anyone looking for a deal on a CVA Accura Muzzleloader they have last years model for only $249 at Midway. It doesn't have the new finger removable breechplug. To save $200 I can use a wrench. Talk about a great trigger that gun breaks at about 2 lb like a glass rod with no discernable creep or overtravel. I love the thing. Coated the bore and breech plug with ultraborecoat and fired 20 shots to season the bore. Cleaned up with 2 wet patches and 4 dry patches no borebrush needed.

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from speedywalker wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

I have seen one other set of stats on this gun and they were even more impressive. How about some Hornady factory
loads verses similar Hornady handloads shot from a ransom rest? That should make it really interesting.

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from fortycal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The trigger issue concerns me more than the fact that this is one ugly bastard. All in all, it seems to be worth the price. What I do expect is for this gun to sell a great many 111s as the incremental increase in price will be small compared to a better trigger,etc. Also Dave, you did'nt miss much at Chelsea's wedding. The band was lousy, the food sucked, and I had to leave the XD in the truck.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Beekeeper: This is all way above my pay grade. Ron Coburn is inscrutable.

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from shane wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Bee - it's called the Edge because when you see it, it sends you over the Edge. Or maybe it's because to set the damn thing off you have to tie a string to the trigger and toss it over the Edge of a cliff.

Agreed that the Marlin X7 series still reigns in the bargain rifle bracket. Easily. It shoots straighter, looks much better/more traditional, and has a great trigger.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Hilarious post and a review on a budget rifle I had been wondering about. Truly humorous indeed.

One question, how much did it weigh?

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Ugly is a relative thing!
Remember guys, you can still go to the grocery store and get paper sacks! LOL!!

Bubba

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from huntnow wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

The asthetics are horrendous. Also, DEP shooting MOA groups with a bad trigger and me duplicating those results are unlikely. You have to consider the shooter. While I'm not a bad shot, I'd be crazy to think I could shoot with Petzal.

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from Treestand wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

IMHO~DP When can we see a look at the Mossberg 100ATR
with the LBA trigger???

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

they didn't serve cake at chelsey's wedding. they ate a bunch of russian orphans instead.

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from trentonator wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I recently bought the Savage Edge in 30-06 with a 3x9x40 Bushnell scope for $ 279 at Sports Authority. I am a rifle newbie, and was somewhat intimidated by a gun in this caliber. I was always told to buy as much gun as you could afford, but even with money tight I was leery of going too cheap. I originally looked at the Remington 770, and although it was reasonably priced, it felt like a cheap and very poorly made gun. I had read several reviews prior to buying the Edge and had heard generally good to great things. I mainly intended to use the gun for a couple of whitetail deer hunts at medium to close range and for occasional target shooting, so I didn’t want to spend a bunch of money, but wanted a servicable rifle that shot tight groups and was reliable and safe. My impressions my first time at the range were very favorable, it took me about 10 rounds to get it sighted in properly, but within 15 rounds I was shoting 1 to 1 1/2″ groups at 100 yds. The scope is actually a very useable one for my purposes and a pleasant surprise. My only complaint was that the trigger was a bit heavy and had a little bit of creep. I replaced it with a Rifle Basix adjustable trigger (online at $ 85 shipped) set to about 2 lbs and my groups are now 1″ or better. LOVE this gun now. I am embarrassing other shooters with more expereience and guns that cost them 5-8 times what I paid. This gun is going to sell like hotcakes.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

no accu trigger, forget it, if I'm going to shoot an ugly rifle it will at least shoot sub-moa and have a flawless trigger to make up for what it lacks in good looks.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Why do they go this length to bring an affordable rifle and skimp on the trigger. Kinda like installing electrical wire in a house that barely meets code and is still questionable on that, MADE IN ????

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Woops, meant to say Remington 770! (another cut corners rifle)

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Wait, he wanted to go to the wedding? Say it ain't so, Dave...

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from CJ wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Willy called me and asked why I didn't show. I explained that I was in Spain with Michelle and he seemed to understand.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

This would definably fall under Petzal's: A Few Unkind Words About Progress

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

So why didn't you do some handloads for this rifle Dave as you did with the Warlord... I mean the warlord shot .6 and this one shot .9 both with factory federal ammo. You could have squeezed a half minute if you rolled your own.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dave Chelsea's wedding was horrible, the served vegan cake, had no deer steaks, and I couldn't wear my camo tie either......

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph-- Maybe Savage doesn't have any sponser money in the TV series!

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

woodsman--a vegan cake? Is that a cake made out of vegans? It must have tasted horrible!

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

How the heck do you make a vegan cake? I'm reading that to mean no eggs, no butter, no milk, etc, right?

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from seadog wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

LMAO dukkillr, why bother, right? Doesn't sound like it would taste any better than my recipe.

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from dukkillr wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Yeah, seadog, I don't really see the point. Maybe they substituted beer... ;)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

DEP

Concur. I doubt anyone with a modicum of reloading equipment would even pickup an Edge. I think it targets the demographic that debates Core Lokt vs. W-W Power Points and thinks Fusion is the good stuff.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter- Are the animals less dead whe they are shot using this type of rifle or the ammmunition you mentioned?

This would be a rifle I would consider if I were on a more restricted budget.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter- Are the animals less dead whe they are shot using this type of rifle or the ammmunition you mentioned?

This would be a rifle I would consider if I were on a more restricted budget.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Jerry A.

No sir, both are fine deer bullets and have been used with great success. Just the folks who would buy that rifle are probably not into handloading and finer examples of weaponeering. Some of us are Rifle Looney's and others are not.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

WA Mnthunter-

I will concede your point. I have plenty of interest in premium rifles and ammunition, just have a police officer's budget. I normally use Core Lokt ammunition because it is the the most widely available and most generally affordable for the caliber of my deer rifle: 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.

I am looking into possibly starting to reload, but I need to save up the the initial money and it is currently lower on the list of priorities.

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from dbarry wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

+1 w/ beekeeper.

a) save 20 bucks and a lousy trigger, or
b)accutrigger plus $20.

Unless savage is in a contest to see who can build a high-power rifle the cheapest, hopefully we see version b soon.

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from dbarry wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

+1 w/ beekeeper.

a) save 20 bucks and a lousy trigger, or
b)accutrigger plus $20.

Unless savage is in a contest to see who can build a high-power rifle the cheapest, hopefully we see version b soon.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Weatherby for $299.00!

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

While savage has made many fine rifles over the years there have been some flops. I have a model 340 in .222 rem that shoots just terrible. The trigger on it is horrible and the wood to metal fit is rven worse. Altho i have bedded the barrel and action the gun still will not group well . Does anyone have any suggestions??

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

my advice? Get rid of what may be the ugliest rifle ever produced. Sell it as soon as possible and replace it with a weatherby vangaurd or savage 11 and consider it the best thing you ever did

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

Well the Les Baer Tactical Recon in the American Rifleman you were comparing to the Warlord shot a .22" group using Federal factory ammo... I think if you are going to compare accuracy standards you have to draw the line somewhere...

I have a very good friend who can shoot 1/2 minute of angle groups with his reloads out of a rifle that cannot print 3" groups with factory ammo. Let's compare apples to apples.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 1 year 41 weeks ago

woodsmanj35 what do you shoot out of your 257 Weatherby Mag? I have had extremely poor results with the ballistic tips at short ranges (under 80 yards). Any suggestions? I really like the gun, it is comfortable, has a wonderful scope and is a light kicker but I have shot over 5 deer that fell down, got up ran and ran and ran after a perfect shot... by the way I usually kill everything at short range and I understand this gun was not designed for that but any input on Weatherby factory ammo would be greatly appreciated.

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from pacamper wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

Hey all,
I just bought one in a 223 and love it, no issues to date, have about 30 rounds out of her so far. At 100 yds i can cover my group with a quarter. Action is smooth and the trigger is fine. If you are lucky enough to get your hands on lots of different rifle and shoot them all you may have a gripe or two with some features of this firearm, no its not a weatherby or tica, the price says that, but for the dollar and the normal everyday hunter like me its a great firearm.

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from CBSavage wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Savage should have stayed with their original idea of calling this a Stevens. After all, Stevens IS their econo line of guns. Savage, better than anyone, should know that "triggers sell rifles". Five to 8 lb triggers with lots of over travel are a return to caveman days.

Note & question :
Cgull, Where oh where did you find a 111FCNS for $300??!? The very best price I've found after scouring the internet is $509 + S&H. There was one for $300 at the local gunshop but it'd been run over by the owner's kid in a PU truck. Only kidding...... except for the $509.

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from Dockterdad wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Well I recently bought the Savage Edge 223, and the model 10, 308 with the accutrigger. Yes night and day trigger action from both. I too, wish Savage would at least make the accutrigger available for the Edge. Both shoot very tight groups and I enjoy them both, but I cheated and took my dremel tool with the stainless wire bursh and polished the action and put a little grease on it, which is now about a 3lb pull. Very smooth and light. Still would prefer the accutrigger for it. So maybe if Savage gets enough request from customers they will reevaluate their options.

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from jimmyjames wrote 34 weeks 3 days ago

The scope that came with my 308 Edge was blurry looking to these old eyes. I wasn't expecting much anyway. The real surprise was after putting a decent scope on this gun and sighting it in, I put 3 shots in about a nickle hole at 100yds with Winchester Ballistic Silvertips. Interesting about being able to put an aftermarket trigger in this gun for less than $100. As good as it shoots, that would be worth doing.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Here is a test David wouldn't mind doing!

http://www.diehard.com/torture-labs?video=power

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago
from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

David, I have some 7.62 NATO M118 the really good stuff you can try in the next one

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Who was it that said along the line,

"Only accurate rifles (I like)"

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Something to think of, even a 2.0" group at 100 is still within "MOP" at 400 yards!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Anything to do with Rosie O’Donnell down any bad road yet alone the thought of I don't like!

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