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October 08, 2010

Ever Take a Shooting Lesson?

By David DiBenedetto

Many years ago, during my first week at the Field & Stream office in New York, I tracked down Dave Petzal. (He was easy to find. If I remember correctly he was sharpening a knife at his desk.) I asked if I could go shooting with him to get a few pointers. I’ve got one pointer for you, he told me, practice. I think he mentioned an ungodly amount of rounds, and then I trudged back to my cubicle. He was right. I needed practice…but I got very little of it in NYC.

Fast forward many years, and I’m now in the Lowcountry with the stark realization that I’m a horrible wing shot. (Deer and turkey I can handle. Dove and ducks make a mockery of me.) And now with a dog at my side the stakes are even higher. I’ve gotten used to letting myself down when the gun goes off, but Pritch just can’t comprehend when a bird doesn’t fall from the sky. Who can blame her?

So I signed up for a shooting lesson with Jim Arnold of Custom Shooting Sports. Arnold is a burly fellow who has won a grocery list of shooting titles and has coached quite a few champs as well. My goal, I told him, was to make sure I was building on the proper fundamentals, especially now that I’m spending time at the range.

In short, here’s what I took away: On the pattern board I learned I shoot high and to the left. And on the clay’s course Arnold narrowed down many things I need to work on. So much so that I later asked him to relay my top three priorities in an e-mail. Here’s what he had to say:

1. Come to a solid ready position when things get birdie.

2. Pick one bird and focus on that bird only.

3. Make a solid gun mount, resisting quick/panic firing before the barrels are stable.

Arnold suggested that since I have no kids in the house it’s not a bad idea to leave a gun in the corner and practice mounting it from a ready position whenever possible. Like a good teacher he also mentioned a few things I did well and complemented my hand-eye coordination. Overall, I gained confidence in my form (apparently I’m not as bad as I think) and the simple realization that Petzal was right. Practice.

Anyone else ever take a shooting lesson? Anyone need one?

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from ejunk wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I'm firmly in the "lots to learn" phase of wing shooting, but I genuinely feel that #2 is the best piece of advice that can be given. Remembering that little rule has radically changed wing shooting for me.

I also think a great piece of advice for the field is to remember that things happen fast - but it's not THAT fast and you can, in fact, take your time.

yrs-
Evan!

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from philbourjaily wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Yes and yes. I have taken lessons and I need more. I learn something new every time.

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I hung out for a few years at the Peterson AFB gun club and the US olympic trainer would hang out there as well, between him and a few other champion shooters, gun mounting consistency was the catalyst that got my game into shape. Also, positioning your body to where you are going to take the shot helps, but that works best of you know how the birds are going to fly.

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from mad_dog9999 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I've never had any formal instruction, But I totally agree with the prectice, practice, practice. and then Practice some more.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I have been shooting skeet every Wednesday evening for the past couple months. The range master and other shooters are more than willing to offer advice. The range master even held me up for 1 hour after closing to offer a lesson which included an hours worth of birds. He refused payment. Station 8 is still killing me.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Oh, and at $5 a round which includes shooting under the lights it is very cheap.

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from abmcp13 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I've never taken a lesson, but I know that I don't pick a bird out, I just shoot into the flocks of ducks. I also don't take my time when mounting my shotgun to my shoulder, I just start shooting willy-nilly, sometimes I even forget to look down the barrel completely.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

i definately need lessons. doves kill me! when i'm shooting over my dog at upland birds, i miss more than hit and my dog gives me those looks. F&S has offices in new york?

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Shooting on station is one thing. Practice is part of the overall result, good or bad. My instructor told me, "you have developed a few bad habits." Seems my skeet game is like my golf game...until you are videotaped by the instructor, you create a nuance or two that is detrimental. When the tape was played back of how I brought the 12ga to shoulder, well it was plain as day. I didn't believe him at first, now I know better.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I notice i look first find the bird and then switch to the bead and squeeze the trigger i'm not real calm like i am shooting clays. I could probably use some lessons i only shoot clays a couple times a year.

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from jbird wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Sort of, when I was in Boy Scouts we went to a big trap association and camped out every year. The "pro's" at the place gave us lessons and basics on shooting trap, then you got to shoot about a dozen rounds over the weekend, competing with other troops for a big trophy. Must've helped, I won the trophy the last year I went.

Learned about rifle shooting from my Dad and Grandpa. No pro, but I fill my freezer every year, and I don't leave a bunch of wounded animals in the woods doing it.

I agree with Mr. Petzel about practice.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

David, I'll give'ya a pointer that will make you better and it's how you think. Replace the word practice with the word train.

Why?

How can you practice that what you have not mastered?

If your shooting poorly that day and your practicing, then your practicing to shoot poorly, right!

If your in training mode to master a discipline and your doing it poorly you stop and find out why to correct it or train on another day your able to correct the problem like feeling better, weather or just being off that day. Another example, you just lost a shooting match, but you remember what you did wrong or you notice someone doing it or shows you a better way, then you have learned something. Now apply that to your training to make you better to be able to master your goal.

I learned this from a NRA Olympic Coach back when I was seven and man, did he jump square in my case when I said "I was going to practice" WOW! I've used this with other shooters and teams and it really works!

Station #8, the best time to watch a new shooter!

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from Box Call wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Oh man do I ever need a lesson! Look folks, 16 years ago I was a good wing shot, good not great. Back then I had a male Brittany who gave me the evil eye everytime I missed and so I practiced and got better. Then two low life scum stole him for cosmetic research purposes (a long story)and I just couldn't go and buy another bird dog. This was a big mistake on my part. I took up deer and turkey hunting,both with a bow and gun. I got bird dogs out of mind if not out of my blood, but not my wife. She loved bird dogs and badgered me to buy another...I refused and well she did what most women do that really want something, she went a bought bird dog last year. 16 years ago I could shoot...16 years ago I didn't wear bifocals, my back wasn't as stiff and broke down, and my arms were fluid. Today....I need a lessons again. If her Brittany gives me the evil eye when I miss I am going to have to go to Nashville for a clays lesson. Until then I am using the Do-All trap to try to get better. Try is a kind word for how bad I am.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Practice, practice, practice, has to be included with Practice the right way!!! The biggest problem I think wingshooters have is having toooooo much focus on their barrel. You have to mount the gun right every time you mount it so that your eye is the back sight just above the barrel, or rib, and you have to shoot sub-consciously vs. consciously. Conscious thought on when to pull the trigger means there is a delay in delivering the shot. With subconscious trigger pull only focusing on the target there is no delay. If you can see exactly where your barrel was when you pulled the trigger, and it was very clear in your mind, you more than likely focused way too much on the barrel, and fired consciously. And the focus on the barrel means you STOPPED the swing of the gun barrel firing behind the target even though you maybe saw the barrel out in front of the target.

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from kelmitch wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Putnam,Orange,Sulfolk,and Nassau counties have great hunting opportunities for any wing shooter.Cottontails,
pheasant,ruffed grouse,bobwhite quail,woodcock,crow,snipe rail,gallinule,varying hare,and too many species of ducks
and geese to list.All of this is very close to NYC.They say the average hunter hits one out of ten grouse and woodcock that are flushed.I bought a clay pigeon thrower many years ago and put it to good use on every shotgun I own many hours and hours of practice.A box of 90 clays was 4.00 and trap loads were 3.00 a box.For $10.00 a great way to spend part of a day with 2 boxes of skeet loads.A lot of practice for three totally different guns Condor Supreme 12 over under with select Brazilian walnut,an Uplander 20 side by side great for dense grouse,woodcock cover maybe quail some day and Ultra MAG 12 pump turkeys,and soon ducks and geese.Two barrels one rifled for deer with open sights and 3-9 but both ported.Spend many hours with the Weatherby topped with my favorite Leupold,world class mounts,etc..and too dont leave deer in the woods.Many years of tournament archery Vegas,350,and 3D and clubs and still learn new lessons all the time but remember its a great time.Time to pack the fastest winged game in the woods is open Woodcock 2nd time out for this season hope to see large flights coming down great practice for the dog and I.PULL AWAY,SUSTAINED LEAD,SWING THROUGH,SPOT SHOOTING. UK SPANIEL

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I received formal training for rifles and pistols through the Army and police department. What I need now is is wing shooting training. To say i was mediocre would be being too kind.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Jerry A. Rifles and pistol shooting is a detriment to wingshooting, and how most wingshooters started out shooting...aiming a rifle, or a pistol.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Another problem with wingshooting correctly. Shooting at the trap range, or the skeet range doesn't help a bit for this problem. At the range you shoot pre-mounted, and if you are good you position the barrel so that the barrel doesn't have to move very far to break a target. For skeet, as an example, you don't chase a target from the house, you position the gun barrel at the best interception pt. out front. It is then see target, break target. In hunting situations the gun is mounted often way too fast. Rather than swinging the gun as the mind determines the direction of flight, distance, and swinging the gun with the body turn in the birds direction, and as the barrel meets the cheek you are just below the interception point,....see target, hit target with little time to make the error of sighting down the barrel....many do not do that. They mount quickly, and then chase the target with the barrel coming from behind, and never do get the barrel out front because they now sight down the barrel. Getting your feet set is a good point, but if you do what I mentioned you will kill little more than dead straight aways...and there are few dead straight aways. Most birds are rising, or dropping.

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

sayfu, That's some solid wingshooting advice right there. -d

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Thanks, and what happens when you chase with the barrel is the likelihood of the eyes going to the barrel is greatly increased. As soon as the eyes go to the barrel the barrel either slows way down, or stops completely...and a bad miss behind the target. And I mentioned to insert the barrel at the angling target AT, or just below the target because it is not hard to move it up slightly, and in front, or move it in front, but if the barrel comes to the cheek above the target it is very difficult to bring it back down, and in front. And if you take your index finger, and follow a flying bird across the sky keeping a focus on the bird you can continue to move your finger just in front of the bird with no problem because your finger will move with your eye that is focused on the moving bird. Your finger is following the moving bird and you see your index finger in the periphery. At some point now sight down your finger....the finger stops. And that is what happens with the gun barrel.

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from kelmitch wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I see a lot of people try too shoot without checking eye dominance first.I have been asked for years why I shoot right handed when I am left.My answer is eye dominance. There are many ways to correct cross dominance issues.For those that have never checked this can also cause lots of misses.

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from Bass2Buck wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I take one before every quail and dove season.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Jerry A.

Next time your training or visiting either at a military or Law Enforcement range, notice how many bullet holes the facility has in every direction except down range your at.

SCARY!

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from Bass2Buck wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I take one before every quail and dove season.

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from ejunk wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I'm firmly in the "lots to learn" phase of wing shooting, but I genuinely feel that #2 is the best piece of advice that can be given. Remembering that little rule has radically changed wing shooting for me.

I also think a great piece of advice for the field is to remember that things happen fast - but it's not THAT fast and you can, in fact, take your time.

yrs-
Evan!

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from philbourjaily wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Yes and yes. I have taken lessons and I need more. I learn something new every time.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Koldkut wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I hung out for a few years at the Peterson AFB gun club and the US olympic trainer would hang out there as well, between him and a few other champion shooters, gun mounting consistency was the catalyst that got my game into shape. Also, positioning your body to where you are going to take the shot helps, but that works best of you know how the birds are going to fly.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from mad_dog9999 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I've never had any formal instruction, But I totally agree with the prectice, practice, practice. and then Practice some more.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckhunter wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I have been shooting skeet every Wednesday evening for the past couple months. The range master and other shooters are more than willing to offer advice. The range master even held me up for 1 hour after closing to offer a lesson which included an hours worth of birds. He refused payment. Station 8 is still killing me.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckhunter wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Oh, and at $5 a round which includes shooting under the lights it is very cheap.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from abmcp13 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I've never taken a lesson, but I know that I don't pick a bird out, I just shoot into the flocks of ducks. I also don't take my time when mounting my shotgun to my shoulder, I just start shooting willy-nilly, sometimes I even forget to look down the barrel completely.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jamesti wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

i definately need lessons. doves kill me! when i'm shooting over my dog at upland birds, i miss more than hit and my dog gives me those looks. F&S has offices in new york?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Shooting on station is one thing. Practice is part of the overall result, good or bad. My instructor told me, "you have developed a few bad habits." Seems my skeet game is like my golf game...until you are videotaped by the instructor, you create a nuance or two that is detrimental. When the tape was played back of how I brought the 12ga to shoulder, well it was plain as day. I didn't believe him at first, now I know better.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from fliphuntr14 wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I notice i look first find the bird and then switch to the bead and squeeze the trigger i'm not real calm like i am shooting clays. I could probably use some lessons i only shoot clays a couple times a year.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jbird wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Sort of, when I was in Boy Scouts we went to a big trap association and camped out every year. The "pro's" at the place gave us lessons and basics on shooting trap, then you got to shoot about a dozen rounds over the weekend, competing with other troops for a big trophy. Must've helped, I won the trophy the last year I went.

Learned about rifle shooting from my Dad and Grandpa. No pro, but I fill my freezer every year, and I don't leave a bunch of wounded animals in the woods doing it.

I agree with Mr. Petzel about practice.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

David, I'll give'ya a pointer that will make you better and it's how you think. Replace the word practice with the word train.

Why?

How can you practice that what you have not mastered?

If your shooting poorly that day and your practicing, then your practicing to shoot poorly, right!

If your in training mode to master a discipline and your doing it poorly you stop and find out why to correct it or train on another day your able to correct the problem like feeling better, weather or just being off that day. Another example, you just lost a shooting match, but you remember what you did wrong or you notice someone doing it or shows you a better way, then you have learned something. Now apply that to your training to make you better to be able to master your goal.

I learned this from a NRA Olympic Coach back when I was seven and man, did he jump square in my case when I said "I was going to practice" WOW! I've used this with other shooters and teams and it really works!

Station #8, the best time to watch a new shooter!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Box Call wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Oh man do I ever need a lesson! Look folks, 16 years ago I was a good wing shot, good not great. Back then I had a male Brittany who gave me the evil eye everytime I missed and so I practiced and got better. Then two low life scum stole him for cosmetic research purposes (a long story)and I just couldn't go and buy another bird dog. This was a big mistake on my part. I took up deer and turkey hunting,both with a bow and gun. I got bird dogs out of mind if not out of my blood, but not my wife. She loved bird dogs and badgered me to buy another...I refused and well she did what most women do that really want something, she went a bought bird dog last year. 16 years ago I could shoot...16 years ago I didn't wear bifocals, my back wasn't as stiff and broke down, and my arms were fluid. Today....I need a lessons again. If her Brittany gives me the evil eye when I miss I am going to have to go to Nashville for a clays lesson. Until then I am using the Do-All trap to try to get better. Try is a kind word for how bad I am.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Practice, practice, practice, has to be included with Practice the right way!!! The biggest problem I think wingshooters have is having toooooo much focus on their barrel. You have to mount the gun right every time you mount it so that your eye is the back sight just above the barrel, or rib, and you have to shoot sub-consciously vs. consciously. Conscious thought on when to pull the trigger means there is a delay in delivering the shot. With subconscious trigger pull only focusing on the target there is no delay. If you can see exactly where your barrel was when you pulled the trigger, and it was very clear in your mind, you more than likely focused way too much on the barrel, and fired consciously. And the focus on the barrel means you STOPPED the swing of the gun barrel firing behind the target even though you maybe saw the barrel out in front of the target.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from kelmitch wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Putnam,Orange,Sulfolk,and Nassau counties have great hunting opportunities for any wing shooter.Cottontails,
pheasant,ruffed grouse,bobwhite quail,woodcock,crow,snipe rail,gallinule,varying hare,and too many species of ducks
and geese to list.All of this is very close to NYC.They say the average hunter hits one out of ten grouse and woodcock that are flushed.I bought a clay pigeon thrower many years ago and put it to good use on every shotgun I own many hours and hours of practice.A box of 90 clays was 4.00 and trap loads were 3.00 a box.For $10.00 a great way to spend part of a day with 2 boxes of skeet loads.A lot of practice for three totally different guns Condor Supreme 12 over under with select Brazilian walnut,an Uplander 20 side by side great for dense grouse,woodcock cover maybe quail some day and Ultra MAG 12 pump turkeys,and soon ducks and geese.Two barrels one rifled for deer with open sights and 3-9 but both ported.Spend many hours with the Weatherby topped with my favorite Leupold,world class mounts,etc..and too dont leave deer in the woods.Many years of tournament archery Vegas,350,and 3D and clubs and still learn new lessons all the time but remember its a great time.Time to pack the fastest winged game in the woods is open Woodcock 2nd time out for this season hope to see large flights coming down great practice for the dog and I.PULL AWAY,SUSTAINED LEAD,SWING THROUGH,SPOT SHOOTING. UK SPANIEL

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I received formal training for rifles and pistols through the Army and police department. What I need now is is wing shooting training. To say i was mediocre would be being too kind.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Jerry A. Rifles and pistol shooting is a detriment to wingshooting, and how most wingshooters started out shooting...aiming a rifle, or a pistol.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Another problem with wingshooting correctly. Shooting at the trap range, or the skeet range doesn't help a bit for this problem. At the range you shoot pre-mounted, and if you are good you position the barrel so that the barrel doesn't have to move very far to break a target. For skeet, as an example, you don't chase a target from the house, you position the gun barrel at the best interception pt. out front. It is then see target, break target. In hunting situations the gun is mounted often way too fast. Rather than swinging the gun as the mind determines the direction of flight, distance, and swinging the gun with the body turn in the birds direction, and as the barrel meets the cheek you are just below the interception point,....see target, hit target with little time to make the error of sighting down the barrel....many do not do that. They mount quickly, and then chase the target with the barrel coming from behind, and never do get the barrel out front because they now sight down the barrel. Getting your feet set is a good point, but if you do what I mentioned you will kill little more than dead straight aways...and there are few dead straight aways. Most birds are rising, or dropping.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

sayfu, That's some solid wingshooting advice right there. -d

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

Thanks, and what happens when you chase with the barrel is the likelihood of the eyes going to the barrel is greatly increased. As soon as the eyes go to the barrel the barrel either slows way down, or stops completely...and a bad miss behind the target. And I mentioned to insert the barrel at the angling target AT, or just below the target because it is not hard to move it up slightly, and in front, or move it in front, but if the barrel comes to the cheek above the target it is very difficult to bring it back down, and in front. And if you take your index finger, and follow a flying bird across the sky keeping a focus on the bird you can continue to move your finger just in front of the bird with no problem because your finger will move with your eye that is focused on the moving bird. Your finger is following the moving bird and you see your index finger in the periphery. At some point now sight down your finger....the finger stops. And that is what happens with the gun barrel.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from kelmitch wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

I see a lot of people try too shoot without checking eye dominance first.I have been asked for years why I shoot right handed when I am left.My answer is eye dominance. There are many ways to correct cross dominance issues.For those that have never checked this can also cause lots of misses.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Jerry A.

Next time your training or visiting either at a military or Law Enforcement range, notice how many bullet holes the facility has in every direction except down range your at.

SCARY!

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