
I shot the fine Texas 8-point buck in the accompanying photo using a rifle chambered in .25-06 Remington. The rig was a loaner Nosler Professional topped with a Swarovski 3-10x42 Z3 series scope with a plex reticle. I used Hornady 117-grain Superformance SST ammo. The shot was 90 yards from an elevated tower blind with a good rest.
The buck would not have been any deader had I shot him with a bazooka.
Too many deer hunters these days follow the magnum craze, using .300 magnums and 180-grain bullets to kill whitetails. Few hunters shoot any rifle enough to get really comfortable with it, especially the ones that kick like a donkey. Some who shoot the big magnums develop a nasty flinch, which kills accuracy. Shot placement is way more important than the caliber you shoot.
I once watched a big ol’ boy, and a big talker, shooting his magnum rifle at the bench before our deer hunt. He forgot to slip a round into the barrel, and when he pulled the trigger, he flinched so badly he almost knocked the gun off the bench!
Big scopes with confusing reticles incorporating dots, circles and hash lines won’t increase the effective range of most shooters. For most of us, 200 yards is a long shot. High magnification won’t necessarily make us better shots, either. In most hunting scenarios, there’s not always time to adjust magnification and focus before taking the shot.
Here are a few facts to consider from my almost 30 years of deer hunting. I can remember only two bucks I’ve shot at long range. One was a mule deer I took at 250 yards with a .270 while lying prone. He dropped hard from a 130-grain pill in the ribs. The other was a whitetail in Old Mexico at almost 300 yards. I was shooting a custom .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake to tame the recoil. That was almost 10 years ago, and my ears are still ringing. All the other deer I’ve shot, muleys and whitetails, were taken at less than 200 yards. Most were at less than 100 yards. Hunting deer should be about how close you can get and make a great shot, not how far away you can hit one.
Here’s what I suggest: Trade in the big magnum for a rifle that’s actually fun to shoot. Buy a gun of decent weight (more weight helps you hold steadier and also tames recoil). I like mine about seven pounds or so before adding the scope. Look at the following calibers if you are like me and do not like recoil. My top three whitetail rounds would be the classic .270 Winchester, the often overlooked but equally effective .25-06 Remington, and the sweet and mild .243 Winchester.
Choose a solid bolt-action rifle and top it with a 3-10x40 variable power scope and a simple duplex reticle. I’ve had great luck with scopes from Leupold, Nikon, and Swarovski. Old-school fixed power scopes like a fixed 4X or 6X work great too, but are harder to find these days.
Why didn’t somebody tell me all this stuff 20 years ago?
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Brandon that is a small deer with a big rack.
Shot one just a little bit bigger with a .22-250 recently. Worked fine. Bullet placement, mi amigos, bullet placement.
I have a friend that is in his late 60's that has told me stories about shooting deer when he was a kid that would have puss pockets from being shot with .223's. He then told me you could drop a deer easily with a .223 now days because of much improved ballistics even though in my state it is illegal.
Amen. I shot a deer this year with a TC encore fitted with a 25-06 barrel that I had not ever hunted with, though I target shoot with it frequently. Hardly recoils at all.
That deer was "dead right now" and I plan to use it more in the future!
My favorite caliber is 6.5x55 swede though.
I have a friend that shoots multiple deer every year with his 25-06. Its a great gun. He took a wounded buck at 325+ yards with it. No joke.
I'm a big fan of the Remington 260 and its ballistic twin the 6.5X55 Swede. Both are really easy on the shoulder, have long barrel life and are suitable with in reasonable range for animals much larger than Whitetail. 6.5 (.264) bullets have excellent Ballistic Coefficient and sectional density giving them excellent accuracy and penetration. A 260 with a 120gr bullet has almost an identical flight path as a 300 win mag with a 180gr bullet. In addition the 260 and swede are short action which reduces overall weight.
Hi...
Yes, it's quite true that deer can be taken with smaller caliber rifles. I know that from personal experience.
A hunting pal of mine took deer with a .222. I have taken deer with the 'pistol' cartridge .30 caliber M1 carbine. And, you wouldn't believe the range at which one was taken, either.
Both rifles had no scopes...one with open sights, the other with a peep sight. They were fine varmint rifles, too. I don't hear much about either caliber anymore.
Looking across the deer guns in my family, the majority are Savage 99's in 250-3000. They have taken a heck of a lot of mule deer and more than a few elk. (ahem) a long time ago, one of my Grandfather's favorite "farmer season" guns was the same model Savage in 22 hi-power.
7mm-08 guy here. i use it in the PA deer woods where i get shots over 75 yards. I wonder if i can use it for anything bigger?
MDhunter,
I wouldnt hesitate shooting elk or moose out too 300 yards with the 7mm-08. Its all about bullet placement and secondly bullet construction. I would use a bullet that retains at least 75% of its original weight.
thanks for the advice.
I just stick with my old Marlin 30/30. With the Hornity Lever Revolution ammo its gotten even better.
by the way my original comment was supposed to say: "where i never get shots over 75 yards.
By the way I'll never afford those scopes. 4x Bushnell is what I use, it works great.
So very, very true. My family has taken more deer with an old bolt action .222 Remington than with any other gun. Granted, it hasn't been used in a long while, and these are coues deer, but you get the point. Know your gun, make certain it's sighted in, practice, get close, be patient, and put it where it counts. All that is necessary to drop a deer with any modern center-fire rifle and a decent bullet. I myself have a 30-06 for elk and a 25-06 for deer.
Hi...
Correction to my above post: it should read .22 hornet, not .222. Sorry re: the error.
Around here a 25-06 is a big gun. :)
I started out with my 30/30 and then moved up to a 30-06. This year while target shooting the 30-06 broke. I decided to use my 30/30 again for hunting this year and after shooting the 30/30 I don't think I will get the 30-06 fixed.
7mm 08 with a Nosler Partition for deer elk and moose. If you can't get closer than 200 yards then you aren't much of a hunter. Have 300 mag and haven't touched it in 5 years.
I'm a big fan of the .260 Remington as well, for the same reasons as the above posters :)
My 25-06 was given to me by my father when I was a freshman. It will never leave my family for that reason but that aside I have taken many deer both whitetail and muley with it. It really likes 117 grain sierra game king bullets over 48 grains of H4831. My longest shot was 260 with most of them being 200 or under. Straight 6x scope. I also like it for coyotes on windy days that will blow around a little 55 grain vmax bullet from my 223 to much. While I wouldn't hunt elk with it I have heard of elk taken with one. (like so many posts above me it's about bullet placement and knowing your guns limits) Brass and factory ammo are relatively easy to find for it and that is always a plus these days as well.
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Brandon,
Need help choosing between a 7mm08 and 25-06 for deer in Southeast, almost all shots will be from an elevated blind under 150 yds. Probably getting a Vanguard S2. Thanks.
Ltrain,
In my opinion, you will be happier with the 7mm-08. 7mm-08 will kick a little less but recoil shouldnt be a factor in either of those calibers. They are fairly mild. Given the distances youve stated the shots will be, you wont need to take advantage of the 25-06 flatter trajectory. The 7mm-08 is a short action so your rifle will be a bit lighter. Stick with bullets between 120 and 140 gr and you will be happy happy. Also the barrel life in the 7mm is longer the the /06. Hope that helps
Thanks Gtbigsky, I appreciate your thoughts and comments! Much appreciated.
My step-father gave me a Remington Model 700 25-06 when I was a teenager, and I'm now 43. It is the only rifle that i have ever used to deer hunt with here in Virginia. I have used primarily Nosler tip 115 grain bullets with a Bushnell 6x9 and I have never ever had a deer run more than 75 yards after I shot. A typical range for me is anywhere from 50-100 yards. It is a great gun and it's reliable - accurate and has all the stopping power I personally think anyone needs. I have friends who use bigger caliber guns and they have a tendency to do a lot of "damage". My 25-06 does the job and doesn't tear up the deer, which I've always liked. Great gun and I will never replace it!!!
For the past few years my deer round has been a 223 that I handload with varget and the sierra 65gr sbt gameking. Only one deer has gone past a couple of steps and she made it all of 30 yards. like most hunters, my shots are well under 200 yards and i know where that bullet is going when i pull the trigger. I've yet to see a deer while hunting that warranted the use of a 300 win mag, a 7 mag, or any of the other "giant" calibers i regularly see people tote into the woods. Shoot a gun you enjoy and are comfortable with.
...and that is why my go to gun is still the old 700 ADL in .257 Roberts. I've got hotter guns in the cabinet, but nothing comes out more than The Bob.
Many deer hunters with magnum chambered rifles do not practice with their 300 Thunderf*%@ers to gain confidence and increase their accuracy. You can have the biggest, fastest-moving bullet launcher out there, but if you're not accurate you're only disturbing other hunters. I am one of the few hunters shoot my hunting rifles enough to get really comfortable with them, including my very accurate 300 Weatherby Magnum. I'm not special, but I can handle the recoil that some people think kicks like a mule. No matter what a rifleman uses, the shot placement IS way more important than the caliber you shoot---you got that one right.
The so called complicated reticles are only complicated if you aren't sure what you're doing---which can be overcome through practice at the ranges you're likely to encounter, and then a little bit longer than that, in my opinion. Complicated is a relative term.
As for 200 yards being a long shot with a rifle, I will ask you to consider what you would use in a place where there is a plethora of wind and the only cover is the occassional patch of waist-high native grass. That is the terrain I'm faced with the majority of the time. A 200 yard shot is not normal on the High Plains. The latest two deer I've taken were at 335 and 530 yards. Both fell to my 300 Wby Mag pushing a 180 grain bullet. Shots were made from the prone position with a bipod and from tall shooting sticks, and guess what, I'd practiced long shots from both those positions.
I have plenty of other rifles fully capable of making great shots. I made a choice and will not second-guess the capabilities of a 300 Roy.
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MDhunter,
I wouldnt hesitate shooting elk or moose out too 300 yards with the 7mm-08. Its all about bullet placement and secondly bullet construction. I would use a bullet that retains at least 75% of its original weight.
I just stick with my old Marlin 30/30. With the Hornity Lever Revolution ammo its gotten even better.
Amen. I shot a deer this year with a TC encore fitted with a 25-06 barrel that I had not ever hunted with, though I target shoot with it frequently. Hardly recoils at all.
That deer was "dead right now" and I plan to use it more in the future!
My favorite caliber is 6.5x55 swede though.
Around here a 25-06 is a big gun. :)
My 25-06 was given to me by my father when I was a freshman. It will never leave my family for that reason but that aside I have taken many deer both whitetail and muley with it. It really likes 117 grain sierra game king bullets over 48 grains of H4831. My longest shot was 260 with most of them being 200 or under. Straight 6x scope. I also like it for coyotes on windy days that will blow around a little 55 grain vmax bullet from my 223 to much. While I wouldn't hunt elk with it I have heard of elk taken with one. (like so many posts above me it's about bullet placement and knowing your guns limits) Brass and factory ammo are relatively easy to find for it and that is always a plus these days as well.
My step-father gave me a Remington Model 700 25-06 when I was a teenager, and I'm now 43. It is the only rifle that i have ever used to deer hunt with here in Virginia. I have used primarily Nosler tip 115 grain bullets with a Bushnell 6x9 and I have never ever had a deer run more than 75 yards after I shot. A typical range for me is anywhere from 50-100 yards. It is a great gun and it's reliable - accurate and has all the stopping power I personally think anyone needs. I have friends who use bigger caliber guns and they have a tendency to do a lot of "damage". My 25-06 does the job and doesn't tear up the deer, which I've always liked. Great gun and I will never replace it!!!
I have a friend that shoots multiple deer every year with his 25-06. Its a great gun. He took a wounded buck at 325+ yards with it. No joke.
Hi...
Yes, it's quite true that deer can be taken with smaller caliber rifles. I know that from personal experience.
A hunting pal of mine took deer with a .222. I have taken deer with the 'pistol' cartridge .30 caliber M1 carbine. And, you wouldn't believe the range at which one was taken, either.
Both rifles had no scopes...one with open sights, the other with a peep sight. They were fine varmint rifles, too. I don't hear much about either caliber anymore.
Looking across the deer guns in my family, the majority are Savage 99's in 250-3000. They have taken a heck of a lot of mule deer and more than a few elk. (ahem) a long time ago, one of my Grandfather's favorite "farmer season" guns was the same model Savage in 22 hi-power.
7mm-08 guy here. i use it in the PA deer woods where i get shots over 75 yards. I wonder if i can use it for anything bigger?
By the way I'll never afford those scopes. 4x Bushnell is what I use, it works great.
So very, very true. My family has taken more deer with an old bolt action .222 Remington than with any other gun. Granted, it hasn't been used in a long while, and these are coues deer, but you get the point. Know your gun, make certain it's sighted in, practice, get close, be patient, and put it where it counts. All that is necessary to drop a deer with any modern center-fire rifle and a decent bullet. I myself have a 30-06 for elk and a 25-06 for deer.
Hi...
Correction to my above post: it should read .22 hornet, not .222. Sorry re: the error.
I started out with my 30/30 and then moved up to a 30-06. This year while target shooting the 30-06 broke. I decided to use my 30/30 again for hunting this year and after shooting the 30/30 I don't think I will get the 30-06 fixed.
I'm a big fan of the .260 Remington as well, for the same reasons as the above posters :)
Brandon,
Need help choosing between a 7mm08 and 25-06 for deer in Southeast, almost all shots will be from an elevated blind under 150 yds. Probably getting a Vanguard S2. Thanks.
Ltrain,
In my opinion, you will be happier with the 7mm-08. 7mm-08 will kick a little less but recoil shouldnt be a factor in either of those calibers. They are fairly mild. Given the distances youve stated the shots will be, you wont need to take advantage of the 25-06 flatter trajectory. The 7mm-08 is a short action so your rifle will be a bit lighter. Stick with bullets between 120 and 140 gr and you will be happy happy. Also the barrel life in the 7mm is longer the the /06. Hope that helps
Brandon that is a small deer with a big rack.
Shot one just a little bit bigger with a .22-250 recently. Worked fine. Bullet placement, mi amigos, bullet placement.
I have a friend that is in his late 60's that has told me stories about shooting deer when he was a kid that would have puss pockets from being shot with .223's. He then told me you could drop a deer easily with a .223 now days because of much improved ballistics even though in my state it is illegal.
I'm a big fan of the Remington 260 and its ballistic twin the 6.5X55 Swede. Both are really easy on the shoulder, have long barrel life and are suitable with in reasonable range for animals much larger than Whitetail. 6.5 (.264) bullets have excellent Ballistic Coefficient and sectional density giving them excellent accuracy and penetration. A 260 with a 120gr bullet has almost an identical flight path as a 300 win mag with a 180gr bullet. In addition the 260 and swede are short action which reduces overall weight.
thanks for the advice.
by the way my original comment was supposed to say: "where i never get shots over 75 yards.
7mm 08 with a Nosler Partition for deer elk and moose. If you can't get closer than 200 yards then you aren't much of a hunter. Have 300 mag and haven't touched it in 5 years.
Thanks Gtbigsky, I appreciate your thoughts and comments! Much appreciated.
For the past few years my deer round has been a 223 that I handload with varget and the sierra 65gr sbt gameking. Only one deer has gone past a couple of steps and she made it all of 30 yards. like most hunters, my shots are well under 200 yards and i know where that bullet is going when i pull the trigger. I've yet to see a deer while hunting that warranted the use of a 300 win mag, a 7 mag, or any of the other "giant" calibers i regularly see people tote into the woods. Shoot a gun you enjoy and are comfortable with.
...and that is why my go to gun is still the old 700 ADL in .257 Roberts. I've got hotter guns in the cabinet, but nothing comes out more than The Bob.
Many deer hunters with magnum chambered rifles do not practice with their 300 Thunderf*%@ers to gain confidence and increase their accuracy. You can have the biggest, fastest-moving bullet launcher out there, but if you're not accurate you're only disturbing other hunters. I am one of the few hunters shoot my hunting rifles enough to get really comfortable with them, including my very accurate 300 Weatherby Magnum. I'm not special, but I can handle the recoil that some people think kicks like a mule. No matter what a rifleman uses, the shot placement IS way more important than the caliber you shoot---you got that one right.
The so called complicated reticles are only complicated if you aren't sure what you're doing---which can be overcome through practice at the ranges you're likely to encounter, and then a little bit longer than that, in my opinion. Complicated is a relative term.
As for 200 yards being a long shot with a rifle, I will ask you to consider what you would use in a place where there is a plethora of wind and the only cover is the occassional patch of waist-high native grass. That is the terrain I'm faced with the majority of the time. A 200 yard shot is not normal on the High Plains. The latest two deer I've taken were at 335 and 530 yards. Both fell to my 300 Wby Mag pushing a 180 grain bullet. Shots were made from the prone position with a bipod and from tall shooting sticks, and guess what, I'd practiced long shots from both those positions.
I have plenty of other rifles fully capable of making great shots. I made a choice and will not second-guess the capabilities of a 300 Roy.
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