


October 29, 2009
Discussion Topic: Emergency Beacons and “Yuppie 911”
By Dave Hurteau
What would it take for you to summon Search and Rescue? Lost for a day? Mauled by a bear? Fell out of your treestand? How about, tasted some salty water?
From the Associated Press:
Last month two men and their teenage sons tackled one of the world's most unforgiving summertime hikes: the Grand Canyon's parched and searing Royal Arch Loop. Along with bedrolls and freeze-dried food, the inexperienced backpackers carried a personal locator beacon — just in case.
In the span of three days, the group pushed the panic button three times, mobilizing helicopters for dangerous, lifesaving rescues inside the steep canyon walls.
What was that emergency? The water they had found to quench their thirst "tasted salty. . . .”
Because would-be adventurers can send GPS coordinates to rescuers with the touch of a button, some are exploring terrain they do not have the experience, knowledge or endurance to tackle.
Rescue officials are deciding whether to start keeping statistics on the problem, but the incidents have become so frequent that the head of California's Search and Rescue operation has a name for the devices: Yuppie 911.
Check out the full article and tell us your reaction.
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“Yuppie 911” reminds of those calling 911 on their cell phone because McDonalds got there order wrong. For these individuals they should be charged for equipment use and man hours.
For these inexperienced Goobers with their water tasting salty, sounds to me they used tap water from the local area and wonder if they should have been out there in the first place, but this is the United States and you have the freedom of choice and to be stupid. The problem is there are those who abuse this privilege and I will say to a point, they should be held accountable but of course you can’t fix stupid!
I do carry an “EPRB” Emergency Positioning Radio Beacon called “SPOT” (findmespot.com) and the functions of notifying a selected person or persons your “OK” or need none life threatening help or 911 Emergency Medical and Law Enforcement response for a life threatening condition or just tracking your wear abouts, I love it. Even if I’m unable to initiate the 911, my Wife can access the internet and know my exact location and how long I’ve been there and the path I used to get there including if I’m still moving or not.
As I moved from State to State I always was heavily involved in Local, State and Federal Search & Rescue Teams. Should “EPRB” Emergency Positioning Radio Beacon be considered as a must have or perhaps as go as far as to say be mandatory for venturing into some areas? I say yes!
“Yuppie 911”? Like I said, you can’t fix stupid!
That is the most amazingly selfish thing I've heard in a while. These Bear Grylls-Wannabees are endangering the lives of Search & Rescue personnel, spending important funding for unnecessary rescues, and giving other outdoorsmen a bad name.
Someone will eventually Cry Wolf one time too many.
I like to tell my wife when I'm leaving, who I'm with, where I'm going, when I'll call to check in, and when I'll be back and little else. I really feel no need to have someone track my whereabouts, not that it is a bad thing to do otherwise. Been to a bunch of rodeos, several state fairs, a couple of gunfights, a hog callin's and a mule pullin' and and made it home just fine....
I did rent a satellite cell phone once for a solo trip hunting in Montana where there is no cell service but never used it. Those SPOT things seem to be a good idea for some.
a couple things come to mind and in no order: Are these nimrods being charged for their unnecessary "911" calls? If not they should be.
Has anyone in a real emergency been hurt/died or suffered delay due to the above nimrods "911" call? That would be the issue of greater importance, I would hate to have a loved one suffer due to these buffoons. These are also most likely the ones you see on a trail with Ipod plugged in and so load you could almost hear it. This is a little off the mark, but why venture into the great outdoors then turn yourself out to it?
I love to listen to sounds of nature, even when there is not an obvious one, ( wind through trees, insects droning, etc.) It makes me feel alive.I could think of nothing worse than "jamming to some tune" when I could be hearing something real.
I GUESS the old man in me is grouchy today!
If I compare it to what it takes to get me to the doctor or emergency room, then I would probably only push the button when death is eminent or all other options are futile.
Some people think the wild lands of our country are like a big city park...nothing to worry about, government will be there to save you....they usually have gotten themselves in over their head as soon as they get out of their car...relying on an electronic device to save you is not an insurance policy I would stake my life on....surprised more don't end up bear scat or pine tree fertilizer...
My Granddaddy passed away in the woods by himself. He got his truck stuck, and then had a heart attack trying to get it unstuck. This was 1978, and back then maybe a CB was the best you could do. He had let folks know where he was going and when he'd be there, but he didn't tell anyone he was stopping off to check the back part of this piece of property.
I think about those events all the time. He wasn't really that far out of reach, maybe 5 miles from a road. But the place he was in was so thick even the air search never saw him or his white pickup. It took someone on foot searching to find him. That was 3 days later.
Now we have cell phones with GPS, we have satphones, we have all these wonderful things. I think they have probably saved a lot of folks' bacon, but with God knows how many false alarms. I would say with the convenience comes responsibility when using these EPRBs and SPOT devices. I have seen the SPOT's for sale at a local shop. When I first saw them, I was like "Who in the Hell needs one of those in S. GA?.......Oh, yeah......."
I have not bought one yet but I probably will. There will be no b!+c#!ng about water being salty if I ever have push that red button.
RJ - +1. You are 100% dead on the money. Hell, I'm a musician, and I don't even take the iPOD with me. Those folks should be billed for the full cost of response to their 'emergencies". And then prosecuted for fraud.
I agree w/those above that bs 'emergencies' should cost the idiots money. Sad thing is, lots and lots of people have more money than common sense, so fining them still won't fix the problem, but it couldn't hurt.
In Army survival courses, I learned to be calm and don't panic when you found yourself alone and on your own. What these crying wolf clowns will do is cause those that legitimately need help to not be able to do so. These back to nature freaks need to stay home or ask someone to teach them how to think and survive in the wild. Pathetic.
Dear Field Notes,
This story seems to prove your post from several days ago that Modern Man is a Wimp. It seems there're some folks one might want to just "straighten out" as a matter of principle -- and these guys fit the profile. I'm actually ashamed that there are "sons" in this scenario who are learning a metro-sexual standard of manhood. Can you believe that it took three calls before the rescuers forced them onto the helicopter?
I believe that each emergency beacon should also have a sat phone included so that rescuers can communicate with the button pushers.
RJ Arena = I agree with your points and sentiments wholeheartedly yet, these guys are not "nimrods"; check this reference: Genesis 10:8-9 in the portion of the scriptures known as The Table Of The Nations. "Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD." "
If I were on the team I would have transported them back to the nearest big city in the worst neighborhood I could find and say see ya in three days MAYBE!
I should get one of these things for the next time I have to drag a deer out by myself. Just imagine how much easier it would be to air lift it right back to the truck...
Now that I can get behind neuman, at 68 I don't drag too well anymore!
If I tried too I would need them anyway!
Send the dumbasses a bill. Problem solved.
WA Mtnhunter SPOT is like carrying a spare tire, always ignored and neglected until you need the darn thing. As for carrying extra gas etc, I've wound up giving it to some poor Sap who didn't top there tank off or pushed their limits, but most of all it was those who got lost and had to follow me out and show them the way back to there point of origin.
Out in New Mexico, Arizona and Alaska people relied on Cell Phones and when they got into the mountains for whatever and broke down, NO SERVICE! I was making phone calls and always had communications even when Law Enforcement and SAR Units didn't. 50 watts VHF 2 meter Amateur Radio is sure nice, but in Arkansas super high ridges give me problems now so SPOT is my #1 backup. I could go satellite up link, but it requires a special antenna and not knowing what satellite to hit? Not feasible!
Moishe, that middle age bulge sure makes us harder to drag. Isn't there a joke about a hunter who had to gut there partner to get him out? SICK!
I say you should foot the bill for false emergencies. Great tool that can cause a huge waste of resources if not used properly
Never will I be "leashed" (these eletronic devices are leashes)
There are certain risks involved which I accept as part of wild country. If the risks are not acceptable do not go into the wilds in the first place.
If I die enjoying myself in wild places so be it, those places are my "church". Much better dying there than some urine smelling nursing home.
But that is just me, make your own decisions.
Charlie Elk -
I am one thousand per cent in agreement with you. The main reason I would have one is so that my family possibly wouldn't go through now what we did back then. Not for me so much, but for their sake. And then it might actually save somebody too. Then again, they may want my ornery a$$ gone...who can figure?
I was sad that my Granddaddy passed like he did but I am thankful to the Good Lord that it was in the woods - his favorite place - than some nursing home.
They need to start doing with these morons like they do with regular 911 calls on the phone,fine them for filing a false report. and why is it they can make a "magic" button to call for help but not a case to put the magic button in to prevent it going off in your bag??
We seem to have a rare and wonderful harmony here. Never have I used such a thing, nor would I. Breaks the kiss rule and Hey, if being stupid doesn't get you kilt anymore, how can you teach people not to be stupid? Used to be "Fools Die!" and there was this deterrent factor, see...But we wouln't be able to hand out Darwin Awards anymore if Idiots keep getting to go off, do stupid things AND LIVE! How will we ever thin the herd?
As far as Granpa getting a heart attack in the back 40, dyin' and not gettin' found for 3 days, my condolences. My Grampa died tied drooling in his wheelchair, I thought he could recognise me but Alzheimers took his toungue and he was beyond speech. I'll take the heart attack in the woods any day over that slow zombification My grampa suffered. He made it to 82 and had about 75 great years before brain rot set in. Now both of our grandaddys rest, hopefully in peace and we'll all join 'em soon enough.
Bella,
Sorry to hear that was how yours passed and condolences likewise. Thank you for the condolences. Yes, the back 40, or anywhere free of sprawl and development, is a better place to go than a lot of places. I think that would have been his wish if he could have chosen anyway.
Maybe he did choose.
And you are right about joining them soon enough. But not yet. There's living to be done.
P.S. We (our culture, our government) is trying to legislate away stupid, and morality, and other things that cannot be effectively done.
Hey Bella more eloquent that I. Dittos.
Hey sgaredneck no disrespect intended to you, your family or grandpa.
later,
charlie
I have no doubt I would purchase a SPOT for a loved one going into the widerness but for myself...it takes away some of the romance of being in the wilderness.
Charlie Elk - no disrespect taken. I knew where you were coming from. Maybe we'll meet in 'church' sometime. I feel the same way you do about that.
We are on the same page again Charlie & sgredneck. I'll enjoy the moment and perhaps "see you in church".
I say charge them the fee of the rescue. I believe that it should be a case by case basis but when people start to get charged because of their stupidity others around tend to take notice.
I would create a strict one press rule, for any idiot not smart enough to recognize that they are where they don't belong. the accidental press problem will probably be recognized by these companies soon and we won't have to worry about it anymore, once they realize all they need to do is put a lid over the buttons so they can't just be pressed on accident.
charlie elk
The chances of me using the 911 on my"SPOT" would be for some other person seriously injured.
Back in 85-85 trying to remember, I have taken my CB out of my truck and in the process of rerunning the coax that day. I got everything ran and a friend of called and said lets go Dove Hunting. I didn't figure I needed the radio so I swooped over and picked up Sam Johnson and the rest of the gang and went. When I returned home, I found out all hell has broken lose and I had Alamogordo Search and Rescue and Holloman AFB trying to get a hold of me. A Boy Scout in Dog Canyon was rock climbing and fell puncturing a lung and the fastest way into the area is on horse back. To finish the story, New Mexico State Police contacted the Holloman Air Force Base for air lift because Air Rescue was tied up on a hiker someplace else and didn't have the fuel to get there. Holloman couldn't dispatch the rescue helicopter because they had to get permission from Hill AFB Utah and everyone was out. Luckily a surgeon just happen to be in the area from El Paso Texas and performed emergency first care. Finally the Holloman Rescue Helicopter was on it's way and before it could do anything had to burn off fuel. Once they got the Boy Scout on board the Patient died five minutes later. Here's another twist to this story, this happened on Sunday and the next day my Branch Chief was cracking jokes about this kid that he deserved what he got climbing and I was a fool to get involved and now the story comes full circle. Later that day my Branch Chief found out this Boy Scout was his best Friends Son and both his boy and this pathetic Boy Scout was best friends too!
It has taken me years to get over this and came to rest knowing I really believe now may radio wouldn't have made a difference. But what I do know today's electronics if they had it back then, this Young Man would be alive and well!
something needs to be done to the wimps and numskulls that hit the panic button for the stupidest reasons.
I remember hiking with a friend of mine once, and we managed to get a little turned around. I knew the area, and knew all we had to do was hike back up a particular mountain, and we would come to a road, and follow it back down to our camp. My friend was very worried, and had me call 911. I wish I hadn't done it. Even at that age (I was about 14) I knew how expensive it could be if search and rescue was called. Fortunately, all that was sent was a very nice police officer who offered to give us a ride back to our camp (we had since then found the road). Seems to me like some folks go for help right away because it's so easy to call. I definitely agree that those guys should pay the costs of those rescue men. Oh, and a little common sense can go a very, very long way too.
The 911 lines are clogged with calls from itiots like that and people who are actually in trouble have to wait!
i.e. I'm allergic to stupid people.
Should not only be charged $$$ for the "rescues" but also have charges brought against them.
wow salty water pansy's Ive broken my leg on a hike and i still hiked on one good leg and a broken leg all the way to the parking lot i think they should just bring phones instead of wasteing the s and r teams time like i said pansy's
They should be charged for the fuel, if not fined for being incompotent or a danger to others. The person who commented on thew ability to communicate via cell phone, that would be a good subject to notify the SPOT people with. My ret. combat vet was almost in tears, saying that he will loose the ability to go outdoors because of the fault of others. It would be a shame if this happens but all it ever takes is a couple of knuckleheads to ruin it for everyone. They should be fined and baned from going outside without proper supervision!
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“Yuppie 911” reminds of those calling 911 on their cell phone because McDonalds got there order wrong. For these individuals they should be charged for equipment use and man hours.
For these inexperienced Goobers with their water tasting salty, sounds to me they used tap water from the local area and wonder if they should have been out there in the first place, but this is the United States and you have the freedom of choice and to be stupid. The problem is there are those who abuse this privilege and I will say to a point, they should be held accountable but of course you can’t fix stupid!
I do carry an “EPRB” Emergency Positioning Radio Beacon called “SPOT” (findmespot.com) and the functions of notifying a selected person or persons your “OK” or need none life threatening help or 911 Emergency Medical and Law Enforcement response for a life threatening condition or just tracking your wear abouts, I love it. Even if I’m unable to initiate the 911, my Wife can access the internet and know my exact location and how long I’ve been there and the path I used to get there including if I’m still moving or not.
As I moved from State to State I always was heavily involved in Local, State and Federal Search & Rescue Teams. Should “EPRB” Emergency Positioning Radio Beacon be considered as a must have or perhaps as go as far as to say be mandatory for venturing into some areas? I say yes!
“Yuppie 911”? Like I said, you can’t fix stupid!
That is the most amazingly selfish thing I've heard in a while. These Bear Grylls-Wannabees are endangering the lives of Search & Rescue personnel, spending important funding for unnecessary rescues, and giving other outdoorsmen a bad name.
Someone will eventually Cry Wolf one time too many.
Some people think the wild lands of our country are like a big city park...nothing to worry about, government will be there to save you....they usually have gotten themselves in over their head as soon as they get out of their car...relying on an electronic device to save you is not an insurance policy I would stake my life on....surprised more don't end up bear scat or pine tree fertilizer...
a couple things come to mind and in no order: Are these nimrods being charged for their unnecessary "911" calls? If not they should be.
Has anyone in a real emergency been hurt/died or suffered delay due to the above nimrods "911" call? That would be the issue of greater importance, I would hate to have a loved one suffer due to these buffoons. These are also most likely the ones you see on a trail with Ipod plugged in and so load you could almost hear it. This is a little off the mark, but why venture into the great outdoors then turn yourself out to it?
I love to listen to sounds of nature, even when there is not an obvious one, ( wind through trees, insects droning, etc.) It makes me feel alive.I could think of nothing worse than "jamming to some tune" when I could be hearing something real.
I GUESS the old man in me is grouchy today!
In Army survival courses, I learned to be calm and don't panic when you found yourself alone and on your own. What these crying wolf clowns will do is cause those that legitimately need help to not be able to do so. These back to nature freaks need to stay home or ask someone to teach them how to think and survive in the wild. Pathetic.
My Granddaddy passed away in the woods by himself. He got his truck stuck, and then had a heart attack trying to get it unstuck. This was 1978, and back then maybe a CB was the best you could do. He had let folks know where he was going and when he'd be there, but he didn't tell anyone he was stopping off to check the back part of this piece of property.
I think about those events all the time. He wasn't really that far out of reach, maybe 5 miles from a road. But the place he was in was so thick even the air search never saw him or his white pickup. It took someone on foot searching to find him. That was 3 days later.
Now we have cell phones with GPS, we have satphones, we have all these wonderful things. I think they have probably saved a lot of folks' bacon, but with God knows how many false alarms. I would say with the convenience comes responsibility when using these EPRBs and SPOT devices. I have seen the SPOT's for sale at a local shop. When I first saw them, I was like "Who in the Hell needs one of those in S. GA?.......Oh, yeah......."
I have not bought one yet but I probably will. There will be no b!+c#!ng about water being salty if I ever have push that red button.
RJ - +1. You are 100% dead on the money. Hell, I'm a musician, and I don't even take the iPOD with me. Those folks should be billed for the full cost of response to their 'emergencies". And then prosecuted for fraud.
I should get one of these things for the next time I have to drag a deer out by myself. Just imagine how much easier it would be to air lift it right back to the truck...
Never will I be "leashed" (these eletronic devices are leashes)
There are certain risks involved which I accept as part of wild country. If the risks are not acceptable do not go into the wilds in the first place.
If I die enjoying myself in wild places so be it, those places are my "church". Much better dying there than some urine smelling nursing home.
But that is just me, make your own decisions.
I like to tell my wife when I'm leaving, who I'm with, where I'm going, when I'll call to check in, and when I'll be back and little else. I really feel no need to have someone track my whereabouts, not that it is a bad thing to do otherwise. Been to a bunch of rodeos, several state fairs, a couple of gunfights, a hog callin's and a mule pullin' and and made it home just fine....
I did rent a satellite cell phone once for a solo trip hunting in Montana where there is no cell service but never used it. Those SPOT things seem to be a good idea for some.
Dear Field Notes,
This story seems to prove your post from several days ago that Modern Man is a Wimp. It seems there're some folks one might want to just "straighten out" as a matter of principle -- and these guys fit the profile. I'm actually ashamed that there are "sons" in this scenario who are learning a metro-sexual standard of manhood. Can you believe that it took three calls before the rescuers forced them onto the helicopter?
I believe that each emergency beacon should also have a sat phone included so that rescuers can communicate with the button pushers.
RJ Arena = I agree with your points and sentiments wholeheartedly yet, these guys are not "nimrods"; check this reference: Genesis 10:8-9 in the portion of the scriptures known as The Table Of The Nations. "Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD." "
If I were on the team I would have transported them back to the nearest big city in the worst neighborhood I could find and say see ya in three days MAYBE!
Now that I can get behind neuman, at 68 I don't drag too well anymore!
Send the dumbasses a bill. Problem solved.
WA Mtnhunter SPOT is like carrying a spare tire, always ignored and neglected until you need the darn thing. As for carrying extra gas etc, I've wound up giving it to some poor Sap who didn't top there tank off or pushed their limits, but most of all it was those who got lost and had to follow me out and show them the way back to there point of origin.
Out in New Mexico, Arizona and Alaska people relied on Cell Phones and when they got into the mountains for whatever and broke down, NO SERVICE! I was making phone calls and always had communications even when Law Enforcement and SAR Units didn't. 50 watts VHF 2 meter Amateur Radio is sure nice, but in Arkansas super high ridges give me problems now so SPOT is my #1 backup. I could go satellite up link, but it requires a special antenna and not knowing what satellite to hit? Not feasible!
Moishe, that middle age bulge sure makes us harder to drag. Isn't there a joke about a hunter who had to gut there partner to get him out? SICK!
I say you should foot the bill for false emergencies. Great tool that can cause a huge waste of resources if not used properly
They need to start doing with these morons like they do with regular 911 calls on the phone,fine them for filing a false report. and why is it they can make a "magic" button to call for help but not a case to put the magic button in to prevent it going off in your bag??
We seem to have a rare and wonderful harmony here. Never have I used such a thing, nor would I. Breaks the kiss rule and Hey, if being stupid doesn't get you kilt anymore, how can you teach people not to be stupid? Used to be "Fools Die!" and there was this deterrent factor, see...But we wouln't be able to hand out Darwin Awards anymore if Idiots keep getting to go off, do stupid things AND LIVE! How will we ever thin the herd?
As far as Granpa getting a heart attack in the back 40, dyin' and not gettin' found for 3 days, my condolences. My Grampa died tied drooling in his wheelchair, I thought he could recognise me but Alzheimers took his toungue and he was beyond speech. I'll take the heart attack in the woods any day over that slow zombification My grampa suffered. He made it to 82 and had about 75 great years before brain rot set in. Now both of our grandaddys rest, hopefully in peace and we'll all join 'em soon enough.
Hey Bella more eloquent that I. Dittos.
Hey sgaredneck no disrespect intended to you, your family or grandpa.
later,
charlie
If I compare it to what it takes to get me to the doctor or emergency room, then I would probably only push the button when death is eminent or all other options are futile.
I agree w/those above that bs 'emergencies' should cost the idiots money. Sad thing is, lots and lots of people have more money than common sense, so fining them still won't fix the problem, but it couldn't hurt.
If I tried too I would need them anyway!
Bella,
Sorry to hear that was how yours passed and condolences likewise. Thank you for the condolences. Yes, the back 40, or anywhere free of sprawl and development, is a better place to go than a lot of places. I think that would have been his wish if he could have chosen anyway.
Maybe he did choose.
And you are right about joining them soon enough. But not yet. There's living to be done.
P.S. We (our culture, our government) is trying to legislate away stupid, and morality, and other things that cannot be effectively done.
I have no doubt I would purchase a SPOT for a loved one going into the widerness but for myself...it takes away some of the romance of being in the wilderness.
Charlie Elk - no disrespect taken. I knew where you were coming from. Maybe we'll meet in 'church' sometime. I feel the same way you do about that.
We are on the same page again Charlie & sgredneck. I'll enjoy the moment and perhaps "see you in church".
Charlie Elk -
I am one thousand per cent in agreement with you. The main reason I would have one is so that my family possibly wouldn't go through now what we did back then. Not for me so much, but for their sake. And then it might actually save somebody too. Then again, they may want my ornery a$$ gone...who can figure?
I was sad that my Granddaddy passed like he did but I am thankful to the Good Lord that it was in the woods - his favorite place - than some nursing home.
I remember hiking with a friend of mine once, and we managed to get a little turned around. I knew the area, and knew all we had to do was hike back up a particular mountain, and we would come to a road, and follow it back down to our camp. My friend was very worried, and had me call 911. I wish I hadn't done it. Even at that age (I was about 14) I knew how expensive it could be if search and rescue was called. Fortunately, all that was sent was a very nice police officer who offered to give us a ride back to our camp (we had since then found the road). Seems to me like some folks go for help right away because it's so easy to call. I definitely agree that those guys should pay the costs of those rescue men. Oh, and a little common sense can go a very, very long way too.
The 911 lines are clogged with calls from itiots like that and people who are actually in trouble have to wait!
i.e. I'm allergic to stupid people.
I say charge them the fee of the rescue. I believe that it should be a case by case basis but when people start to get charged because of their stupidity others around tend to take notice.
charlie elk
The chances of me using the 911 on my"SPOT" would be for some other person seriously injured.
Back in 85-85 trying to remember, I have taken my CB out of my truck and in the process of rerunning the coax that day. I got everything ran and a friend of called and said lets go Dove Hunting. I didn't figure I needed the radio so I swooped over and picked up Sam Johnson and the rest of the gang and went. When I returned home, I found out all hell has broken lose and I had Alamogordo Search and Rescue and Holloman AFB trying to get a hold of me. A Boy Scout in Dog Canyon was rock climbing and fell puncturing a lung and the fastest way into the area is on horse back. To finish the story, New Mexico State Police contacted the Holloman Air Force Base for air lift because Air Rescue was tied up on a hiker someplace else and didn't have the fuel to get there. Holloman couldn't dispatch the rescue helicopter because they had to get permission from Hill AFB Utah and everyone was out. Luckily a surgeon just happen to be in the area from El Paso Texas and performed emergency first care. Finally the Holloman Rescue Helicopter was on it's way and before it could do anything had to burn off fuel. Once they got the Boy Scout on board the Patient died five minutes later. Here's another twist to this story, this happened on Sunday and the next day my Branch Chief was cracking jokes about this kid that he deserved what he got climbing and I was a fool to get involved and now the story comes full circle. Later that day my Branch Chief found out this Boy Scout was his best Friends Son and both his boy and this pathetic Boy Scout was best friends too!
It has taken me years to get over this and came to rest knowing I really believe now may radio wouldn't have made a difference. But what I do know today's electronics if they had it back then, this Young Man would be alive and well!
something needs to be done to the wimps and numskulls that hit the panic button for the stupidest reasons.
wow salty water pansy's Ive broken my leg on a hike and i still hiked on one good leg and a broken leg all the way to the parking lot i think they should just bring phones instead of wasteing the s and r teams time like i said pansy's
I would create a strict one press rule, for any idiot not smart enough to recognize that they are where they don't belong. the accidental press problem will probably be recognized by these companies soon and we won't have to worry about it anymore, once they realize all they need to do is put a lid over the buttons so they can't just be pressed on accident.
Should not only be charged $$$ for the "rescues" but also have charges brought against them.
They should be charged for the fuel, if not fined for being incompotent or a danger to others. The person who commented on thew ability to communicate via cell phone, that would be a good subject to notify the SPOT people with. My ret. combat vet was almost in tears, saying that he will loose the ability to go outdoors because of the fault of others. It would be a shame if this happens but all it ever takes is a couple of knuckleheads to ruin it for everyone. They should be fined and baned from going outside without proper supervision!
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