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March 12, 2009

Is Michigan’s New Crossbow Rule Flawed?

From the Detroit Free Press:

[As] much as I like the NRC's changes, I think the commission shot itself in the foot by spending months taking testimony from hunters about proposed crossbow rules it was considering then adopting an entirely different and un-debated set of rules. . . .

[The original plan was to allow] older hunters to use crossbows during the late archery season in December and then only in the southern Lower Peninsula (Zone 3). What it passed was something wildly different. . . .

The new rules allow crossbows statewide during any season in which a firearm may be used, for both big and small game; during any gun or archery season in Zone 3, and by anyone 50 years of age or older during the Oct. 1-Nov. 14 archery season.

Check out the full article, and tell us what you think.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Most people are not going to use a X bow in a season when they could instead carry a firearm. That just doesn't make any real sense. As for their use by 50 and older hunters during the archery season,I don't see any problem with that. A lot of older fellas don't have the strength to pull a bow back anymore and under the old law they had to get a doctors note to be able to use one and a lot of them either couldn't get a note or simply refused too. This way allows them to take part in the archery season again and thats a good thing.

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I agree a crossbow should only be for people that cannot pull back a bow. You want to say just for elderly people, but some kids have disabilities that do not allow them to do that either.

Nate

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from jjas wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Michigan obviously wants more does killed and is partially pinning its hopes on the use of the Xbow to do that for them (plus raise revenue in the process).

The traditional archery vs compounds vs xbow argument is old. I think for many archers that argument really boils down to them not wanting more company in the woods during the early season.

Regardless, it's a matter of time before xbows are included in all early archery seasons for two simple reasons.

1. Additional doe harvests.
2. Additional monies from doe tags sold.

Jim

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I think you nailed it JJAS. Special season rules are primarily about excluding other hunters.

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

This new law only takes into consideration of getting new/more hunters into the field to thin out the bucks.
It's just another case of the DNR doing what they think is good, mostly for the deer population, excluding the input of the majority of hunters the state has all ready.

I know here in Kentucky we are allowed to shoot one buck only, unless drawn for a quota hunt.Now for does, that is another story,we are allowed as many does as we want, as long as we buy the tags.Most hunters shoot the does readily, preparing for gun season and honing their skills until the "buck that dreams are made of," comes by.

Probably the paragraph that made the most sense to me was the next to last statment ...

"In order to use a crossbow, hunters will have to buy a new permit. The NRC could make 50% of those permits good only for antlerless deer. Michigan hunters already are familiar with antlerless permits, so this wouldn't be something new."

I'm still trying to understand why and how many hunters would take a cross-bow into the field to hunt deer during gun season?

If I have a gun and a cross-bow, the gun wins out every time!

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from s-kfry wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Would someone really use a cross bow on small game?

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

s-kfry
Yes they would. Some people will do anything legal (and in some cases illegal). I watched this show one time called Arrow Affliction. This guy is crazy. He shoots anything and everything with a bow and does cool tricks that his viewers e-mailed him.

Nate

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from lovetohunt wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I like the idea of giving the people who are diasabled a chance to bow hunt.

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from wallofsam wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Leave it to Michigan to take the opinions and views of it's hunters and completly go the opposite direction. This is why our herd will never be as good as our fellow mid-western states. I took part in thier survey and from what I gathered, my fellow hunters just wanted a season for the hunters who were 50+ and had some kind of minor or major disability and couldn't pull a bow back. And don't think our insurance companies didn't have a say in this either, they have been trying to anihalate our herd for more than a decade, due to car/deer accidents and crop damage. They are also the reason that each hunter here can get 5 doe tags for the season.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

There is a ton of information on the DNR website. Here's an enlightening paragraph from their FAQ's section:

*** The requirement of a crossbow stamp, which will be available free of charge beginning March 15 from all license vendors, is designed to help the Department of Natural Resources build a data base to conduct surveys. The surveys will help determine whether crossbows are effective in helping recruit new hunters, retain older hunters, and whether they increase the harvest rates of deer. Results of the surveys will help wildlife officials determine whether the use of crossbows should be further expanded or restricted. Hunters already hunting under a DNR-issued crossbow permit will not need to get a crossbow stamp. ***

Geez ... scientific management rather than by emotion.

Reality is that the number of rifle and archery hunters has declined significantly since the late 1990's in Michigan. The deer harvest has also been in similar decline, though there is an upward tick between 2005 & 2007 There are all kinds of facts, readily available to anyone that wants to take the time, but I will speculate that the state of the economy might have been considered in the decision - will the number of hunters drop significantly this year? Then there's the winter kill.

The areas with the most car deer accidents, which is where the insurance companies concerns lie, is in suburban areas where ALL hunting is prohibited. Deer populations can be several hundred per square mile in these areas. Crossbow season has no impact in these areas. You just see it in your insurance rates.

I really believe the DNR is trying to do the right thing to maintain a sustainable and healthy herd, balancing a lot of input. It's a tough job. Not everyone is going to agree. Depends on where you are, I guess. I stopped counting at 400 deer one day while going through the thumb. Saw herds of over 40 deer the other day while driving back from Chicago. Normally, just see singles or small groups north of West Branch. Different environments.

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from huskerguy wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I'm all for giving the older hunters that can't pull a bow back a chance to go out during archery season.

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from shane wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

There are tons of kids, smaller women, seniors, and disabled folks that would love to hunt, but can't draw a bow that is appropriate for deer hunting.

Crossbows provide an opportunity for the aforementioned folks to get out there and hunt.

That's what we want now, right? More opportunities? More hunters? Hello?

Argue all you want the other way, but don't complain about our dwindling numbers.

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Making a law to have crossbow hunting all season wrong hurts the tradition of the bow. I am for letting the youngsters that can't pull back the legal limit, older hunters, and anyone with arm problems using a crossbow but other than that, no one should unless you make a season where anyone can use a crossbow. A woman should be able to pull back 30 lbs which is the minimum here in Maryland. In Maryland, they have a few days were you can use a crossbow with no restictions and no need for a crossbow permit. To obtain a crossbow permit, you must be 65 or older or have proof you can't pull back a bow with a doctors not and etc.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Make it simple, same rule apply to each other except XB must have a 150 pound draw and a trigger safety.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

LET THE FIGHT BEGIN !!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Hell, if I have to worry about some fella using a XB, the sky must be falling!!

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Five years ago the crossbow was legalized here in GA for deer and smallgame. The first year the store keepers couldn't keep them on the shelves. Our local warden told me in the first season 30% plus of the bowhunters he checked were using crossbows, now he hardly sees one in the woods. Once the new wears off, I predict they will collect dust in Michigan.

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

let them hunt with the crossbow during archery season but there is no place for them during rifle season.

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from Maldog wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Why not just allow the xbow for everybody. I don't understand why anobody would care how I harvest my animal, as long as it's in a humane and ethical way.
I have heard all the arguments that say too many deer will be killed! Thats just not true at all, and you have examples like our neighbors in Ohio. They have one of the highest quality deer herds in the country, with anyone being able to use a xbow.
If people think this will deplete our herd, then take a look at the changes that have been made over the years and tell me why they haven't griped about these.

1} Early doe season!!
2} Late doe season!!
3) Early youth hunt!!
4) Lowering the age limit to 12 years old for gun!!
5) Alowing gun hunting from elevated platforms!!
6) Being able to hunt with inline muzzleloaders that
shoot 200 yards and beyond!!
All of these changes that I just stated, benefit the gun hunters, Who already account for 3/4 of the deer harvested now. It seems that any new game law is always geared towards giving more time and making it easier for gun hunters. So this argument about killing too many deer just doesn't hold water. Nor does the one about keeping with the tradition of the sport, because if that's the case then why do they allow inline muzzloading during the late muzzloader season? I don't think that's what the traditional season what set aside for!
If they want restrictions, then change the bag limits using sound scientific management, and not on what some special interest hunting club seems to think it should be.
The bottom line is, everbody sets their own goals and challenges for him or herself. If you want to hunt with a recurve or a rifle or anything in between it should be up to that person as to what they are comfortable with.
You should allow xbows for everybody or nobody!
"unless your handicaped."
I don't agree with alowing one age group to hunt by any means and not onother. That's age discrimination.
That also goes for the early youth hunt. If the early hunt were for first time hunters, and not just youth's then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Back to the xbow, I still remember the days when people thought that compound bows were going to ruin hunting. I don't think that happened, and I don't think allowing crossbows will ruin it either. Better yet it will probably bring more people into a dwindleing sport and also keep more people in the sport.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

During Archery season, the only people that should be using crossbows are children, seniors or disabled

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from Maldog wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Steve182, Why do you care? If you don't want to hunt with an xbow, Then don't!!

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I think it was wrong of them to try and get the hunter's opinion on the subject and then after hearing so, did a completely differen thing but other than that, I really dont see any problem with it. I dont think hunters will be taking the crossbow out when they can use a firearm. Also during archery season, I dont have a problem with letting older hunters use crossbows, as they can not draw a bow back anymore. I would like to hear an arguement against crossbows... i just think it comes to people not wanting company in the field... but we need more hunters

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from bohica55 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF SEVERE DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE IN MY NECK AND UPPER BACK.
I JUST RECEIVED MY CROSSBOW PERMIT ON 26 FEB AFTER 8 MONTHS OF JUMPING THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.I AM GLAD I GOT MY PERMIT BUT IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK THROUGH OCUPATIONAL THERAPY, NEUROSURGERY, MEDICAL REHAB, AND INTERNAL MEDICINE. IT IS NOT JUST GETTING A NOTE FROM YOUR DOCTOR.THE DNR PUT ALOT OF STIPULATIONS FOR YOU TO GET A PERMIT. I THINK THE 50 AND OVER RULE WORKS STATEWIDE. I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT ANY AGE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. IF I COULD DRAW AND HOLD A REGULAR BOW I WOULD USE ONE. I THINK THE KEY WORD IS "HOLD". THE DNR ORIGINALLY SAID TO BE ABLE TO DRAW 35lb AND ONLY HOLD THAT FOR 4 SECONDS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE A REGULAR BOW. 4 SECOND HOLD, HOW ABOUT THE 30 TO 60 SECOND HOLD THAT IS REALLY USED IN BOW HUNTING. LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 3 YEAR SUNSET ON THIS TO SEE IF IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

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from bohica55 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF SEVERE DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE IN MY NECK AND UPPER BACK.
I JUST RECEIVED MY CROSSBOW PERMIT ON 26 FEB AFTER 8 MONTHS OF JUMPING THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.I AM GLAD I GOT MY PERMIT BUT IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK THROUGH OCUPATIONAL THERAPY, NEUROSURGERY, MEDICAL REHAB, AND INTERNAL MEDICINE. IT IS NOT JUST GETTING A NOTE FROM YOUR DOCTOR.THE DNR PUT ALOT OF STIPULATIONS FOR YOU TO GET A PERMIT. I THINK THE 50 AND OVER RULE WORKS STATEWIDE. I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT ANY AGE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. IF I COULD DRAW AND HOLD A REGULAR BOW I WOULD USE ONE. I THINK THE KEY WORD IS "HOLD". THE DNR ORIGINALLY SAID TO BE ABLE TO DRAW 35lb AND ONLY HOLD THAT FOR 4 SECONDS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE A REGULAR BOW. 4 SECOND HOLD, HOW ABOUT THE 30 TO 60 SECOND HOLD THAT IS REALLY USED IN BOW HUNTING. LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 3 YEAR SUNSET ON THIS TO SEE IF IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

With all the crap going on with legislatures with the anti's, don't those folks worrying about XB have anything better to do! If you really think a XB will give you that much edge over my HCA 4Runner, I’ll sale you some swamp land on the moon! Just make it legal and safe!!!!

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from Ridgerunner732 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Like so many others, I took part in the DNR's survey. I am very happy with the 'opening up' of the options for hunting deer. While I've done quite well with my shotgun, the crossbow option will present a new opportunity to expand my hunting skills as I enter my 60s. As a Boone & Crockett Associate, I believe in fair chase hunting. Living in a Zone 3, MI county,it is not at all uncommon to see a herd of 250-300, or to have 4 - 18 does scamper across my field or through my woods. We need to harvest alot more does and leave the trophy bucks to strengthen the herd. Safe and bountiful hunting, brothers & sisters.

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from hjohn429 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I think that people with disabilities should be able to use crossbows during bow season. But as jjas said, most of these rules are to exclude other hunters. For the purpose of decreasing the deer population, letting disabled persons use xbows should be allowed.

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from eightpoint wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Any of you idiots who went on the early doe hunt in michigan are only slaughtering the does and their fawns for the DNR and insurance companys are only getting rid of the times that my sons and their sons and daughters to have a chance to enjoy the experience of the hunt that they may have in their live. Help the Dnr and kill them all.

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from TDubb22 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I think that only people over 50 years of age or someone with a disability should be allowed to use a crossbow.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Most people are not going to use a X bow in a season when they could instead carry a firearm. That just doesn't make any real sense. As for their use by 50 and older hunters during the archery season,I don't see any problem with that. A lot of older fellas don't have the strength to pull a bow back anymore and under the old law they had to get a doctors note to be able to use one and a lot of them either couldn't get a note or simply refused too. This way allows them to take part in the archery season again and thats a good thing.

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from jjas wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Michigan obviously wants more does killed and is partially pinning its hopes on the use of the Xbow to do that for them (plus raise revenue in the process).

The traditional archery vs compounds vs xbow argument is old. I think for many archers that argument really boils down to them not wanting more company in the woods during the early season.

Regardless, it's a matter of time before xbows are included in all early archery seasons for two simple reasons.

1. Additional doe harvests.
2. Additional monies from doe tags sold.

Jim

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from MLH wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

There is a ton of information on the DNR website. Here's an enlightening paragraph from their FAQ's section:

*** The requirement of a crossbow stamp, which will be available free of charge beginning March 15 from all license vendors, is designed to help the Department of Natural Resources build a data base to conduct surveys. The surveys will help determine whether crossbows are effective in helping recruit new hunters, retain older hunters, and whether they increase the harvest rates of deer. Results of the surveys will help wildlife officials determine whether the use of crossbows should be further expanded or restricted. Hunters already hunting under a DNR-issued crossbow permit will not need to get a crossbow stamp. ***

Geez ... scientific management rather than by emotion.

Reality is that the number of rifle and archery hunters has declined significantly since the late 1990's in Michigan. The deer harvest has also been in similar decline, though there is an upward tick between 2005 & 2007 There are all kinds of facts, readily available to anyone that wants to take the time, but I will speculate that the state of the economy might have been considered in the decision - will the number of hunters drop significantly this year? Then there's the winter kill.

The areas with the most car deer accidents, which is where the insurance companies concerns lie, is in suburban areas where ALL hunting is prohibited. Deer populations can be several hundred per square mile in these areas. Crossbow season has no impact in these areas. You just see it in your insurance rates.

I really believe the DNR is trying to do the right thing to maintain a sustainable and healthy herd, balancing a lot of input. It's a tough job. Not everyone is going to agree. Depends on where you are, I guess. I stopped counting at 400 deer one day while going through the thumb. Saw herds of over 40 deer the other day while driving back from Chicago. Normally, just see singles or small groups north of West Branch. Different environments.

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from lovetohunt wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I like the idea of giving the people who are diasabled a chance to bow hunt.

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from Maldog wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Why not just allow the xbow for everybody. I don't understand why anobody would care how I harvest my animal, as long as it's in a humane and ethical way.
I have heard all the arguments that say too many deer will be killed! Thats just not true at all, and you have examples like our neighbors in Ohio. They have one of the highest quality deer herds in the country, with anyone being able to use a xbow.
If people think this will deplete our herd, then take a look at the changes that have been made over the years and tell me why they haven't griped about these.

1} Early doe season!!
2} Late doe season!!
3) Early youth hunt!!
4) Lowering the age limit to 12 years old for gun!!
5) Alowing gun hunting from elevated platforms!!
6) Being able to hunt with inline muzzleloaders that
shoot 200 yards and beyond!!
All of these changes that I just stated, benefit the gun hunters, Who already account for 3/4 of the deer harvested now. It seems that any new game law is always geared towards giving more time and making it easier for gun hunters. So this argument about killing too many deer just doesn't hold water. Nor does the one about keeping with the tradition of the sport, because if that's the case then why do they allow inline muzzloading during the late muzzloader season? I don't think that's what the traditional season what set aside for!
If they want restrictions, then change the bag limits using sound scientific management, and not on what some special interest hunting club seems to think it should be.
The bottom line is, everbody sets their own goals and challenges for him or herself. If you want to hunt with a recurve or a rifle or anything in between it should be up to that person as to what they are comfortable with.
You should allow xbows for everybody or nobody!
"unless your handicaped."
I don't agree with alowing one age group to hunt by any means and not onother. That's age discrimination.
That also goes for the early youth hunt. If the early hunt were for first time hunters, and not just youth's then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Back to the xbow, I still remember the days when people thought that compound bows were going to ruin hunting. I don't think that happened, and I don't think allowing crossbows will ruin it either. Better yet it will probably bring more people into a dwindleing sport and also keep more people in the sport.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

With all the crap going on with legislatures with the anti's, don't those folks worrying about XB have anything better to do! If you really think a XB will give you that much edge over my HCA 4Runner, I’ll sale you some swamp land on the moon! Just make it legal and safe!!!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I think you nailed it JJAS. Special season rules are primarily about excluding other hunters.

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

This new law only takes into consideration of getting new/more hunters into the field to thin out the bucks.
It's just another case of the DNR doing what they think is good, mostly for the deer population, excluding the input of the majority of hunters the state has all ready.

I know here in Kentucky we are allowed to shoot one buck only, unless drawn for a quota hunt.Now for does, that is another story,we are allowed as many does as we want, as long as we buy the tags.Most hunters shoot the does readily, preparing for gun season and honing their skills until the "buck that dreams are made of," comes by.

Probably the paragraph that made the most sense to me was the next to last statment ...

"In order to use a crossbow, hunters will have to buy a new permit. The NRC could make 50% of those permits good only for antlerless deer. Michigan hunters already are familiar with antlerless permits, so this wouldn't be something new."

I'm still trying to understand why and how many hunters would take a cross-bow into the field to hunt deer during gun season?

If I have a gun and a cross-bow, the gun wins out every time!

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from s-kfry wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Would someone really use a cross bow on small game?

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from wallofsam wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Leave it to Michigan to take the opinions and views of it's hunters and completly go the opposite direction. This is why our herd will never be as good as our fellow mid-western states. I took part in thier survey and from what I gathered, my fellow hunters just wanted a season for the hunters who were 50+ and had some kind of minor or major disability and couldn't pull a bow back. And don't think our insurance companies didn't have a say in this either, they have been trying to anihalate our herd for more than a decade, due to car/deer accidents and crop damage. They are also the reason that each hunter here can get 5 doe tags for the season.

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from huskerguy wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I'm all for giving the older hunters that can't pull a bow back a chance to go out during archery season.

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from shane wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

There are tons of kids, smaller women, seniors, and disabled folks that would love to hunt, but can't draw a bow that is appropriate for deer hunting.

Crossbows provide an opportunity for the aforementioned folks to get out there and hunt.

That's what we want now, right? More opportunities? More hunters? Hello?

Argue all you want the other way, but don't complain about our dwindling numbers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Make it simple, same rule apply to each other except XB must have a 150 pound draw and a trigger safety.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

LET THE FIGHT BEGIN !!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Hell, if I have to worry about some fella using a XB, the sky must be falling!!

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Five years ago the crossbow was legalized here in GA for deer and smallgame. The first year the store keepers couldn't keep them on the shelves. Our local warden told me in the first season 30% plus of the bowhunters he checked were using crossbows, now he hardly sees one in the woods. Once the new wears off, I predict they will collect dust in Michigan.

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

let them hunt with the crossbow during archery season but there is no place for them during rifle season.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

During Archery season, the only people that should be using crossbows are children, seniors or disabled

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from Maldog wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Steve182, Why do you care? If you don't want to hunt with an xbow, Then don't!!

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I think it was wrong of them to try and get the hunter's opinion on the subject and then after hearing so, did a completely differen thing but other than that, I really dont see any problem with it. I dont think hunters will be taking the crossbow out when they can use a firearm. Also during archery season, I dont have a problem with letting older hunters use crossbows, as they can not draw a bow back anymore. I would like to hear an arguement against crossbows... i just think it comes to people not wanting company in the field... but we need more hunters

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from bohica55 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF SEVERE DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE IN MY NECK AND UPPER BACK.
I JUST RECEIVED MY CROSSBOW PERMIT ON 26 FEB AFTER 8 MONTHS OF JUMPING THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.I AM GLAD I GOT MY PERMIT BUT IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK THROUGH OCUPATIONAL THERAPY, NEUROSURGERY, MEDICAL REHAB, AND INTERNAL MEDICINE. IT IS NOT JUST GETTING A NOTE FROM YOUR DOCTOR.THE DNR PUT ALOT OF STIPULATIONS FOR YOU TO GET A PERMIT. I THINK THE 50 AND OVER RULE WORKS STATEWIDE. I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT ANY AGE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. IF I COULD DRAW AND HOLD A REGULAR BOW I WOULD USE ONE. I THINK THE KEY WORD IS "HOLD". THE DNR ORIGINALLY SAID TO BE ABLE TO DRAW 35lb AND ONLY HOLD THAT FOR 4 SECONDS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE A REGULAR BOW. 4 SECOND HOLD, HOW ABOUT THE 30 TO 60 SECOND HOLD THAT IS REALLY USED IN BOW HUNTING. LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 3 YEAR SUNSET ON THIS TO SEE IF IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

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from bohica55 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I HAVE SEVEN LEVELS OF SEVERE DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE IN MY NECK AND UPPER BACK.
I JUST RECEIVED MY CROSSBOW PERMIT ON 26 FEB AFTER 8 MONTHS OF JUMPING THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.I AM GLAD I GOT MY PERMIT BUT IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK THROUGH OCUPATIONAL THERAPY, NEUROSURGERY, MEDICAL REHAB, AND INTERNAL MEDICINE. IT IS NOT JUST GETTING A NOTE FROM YOUR DOCTOR.THE DNR PUT ALOT OF STIPULATIONS FOR YOU TO GET A PERMIT. I THINK THE 50 AND OVER RULE WORKS STATEWIDE. I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT ANY AGE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. IF I COULD DRAW AND HOLD A REGULAR BOW I WOULD USE ONE. I THINK THE KEY WORD IS "HOLD". THE DNR ORIGINALLY SAID TO BE ABLE TO DRAW 35lb AND ONLY HOLD THAT FOR 4 SECONDS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE A REGULAR BOW. 4 SECOND HOLD, HOW ABOUT THE 30 TO 60 SECOND HOLD THAT IS REALLY USED IN BOW HUNTING. LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 3 YEAR SUNSET ON THIS TO SEE IF IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

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from Ridgerunner732 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Like so many others, I took part in the DNR's survey. I am very happy with the 'opening up' of the options for hunting deer. While I've done quite well with my shotgun, the crossbow option will present a new opportunity to expand my hunting skills as I enter my 60s. As a Boone & Crockett Associate, I believe in fair chase hunting. Living in a Zone 3, MI county,it is not at all uncommon to see a herd of 250-300, or to have 4 - 18 does scamper across my field or through my woods. We need to harvest alot more does and leave the trophy bucks to strengthen the herd. Safe and bountiful hunting, brothers & sisters.

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from hjohn429 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I think that people with disabilities should be able to use crossbows during bow season. But as jjas said, most of these rules are to exclude other hunters. For the purpose of decreasing the deer population, letting disabled persons use xbows should be allowed.

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from eightpoint wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Any of you idiots who went on the early doe hunt in michigan are only slaughtering the does and their fawns for the DNR and insurance companys are only getting rid of the times that my sons and their sons and daughters to have a chance to enjoy the experience of the hunt that they may have in their live. Help the Dnr and kill them all.

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from TDubb22 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I think that only people over 50 years of age or someone with a disability should be allowed to use a crossbow.

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

I agree a crossbow should only be for people that cannot pull back a bow. You want to say just for elderly people, but some kids have disabilities that do not allow them to do that either.

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

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Yes they would. Some people will do anything legal (and in some cases illegal). I watched this show one time called Arrow Affliction. This guy is crazy. He shoots anything and everything with a bow and does cool tricks that his viewers e-mailed him.

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 2 years 47 weeks ago

Making a law to have crossbow hunting all season wrong hurts the tradition of the bow. I am for letting the youngsters that can't pull back the legal limit, older hunters, and anyone with arm problems using a crossbow but other than that, no one should unless you make a season where anyone can use a crossbow. A woman should be able to pull back 30 lbs which is the minimum here in Maryland. In Maryland, they have a few days were you can use a crossbow with no restictions and no need for a crossbow permit. To obtain a crossbow permit, you must be 65 or older or have proof you can't pull back a bow with a doctors not and etc.

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