


January 20, 2012
Wyoming Game and Fish Department Lobbies for Deer Baiting Bill
By Scott Bestul

As a rule, deer biologists tend to hate baiting. But in a likely unprecedented move by a state game agency, the Wyoming Game & Fish Department is asking the state legislature to help them legalize baiting in the state. According to this AP story, biologists are struggling so mightily to control whitetail populations that they’re looking to add another strategy to their toolbox.
It’s important to note that in this case, officials intend to limit the use of bait to urban areas or other deer-control hotspots. Their hope is to be able to lure deer to spots where the animals would be more vulnerable to harvest, and to areas where shooting is safer. No plans seem to be in the works to legalize baiting on a broad basis at this time.
This is an interesting move, and one I’ll keep an eye on. I’ve talked to urban deer control specialists that recognize the effectiveness of baiting and rely on it as a valued tool. Still, I can’t help but wonder if, given a taste of baiting, the state’s deer hunters will ask for an expansion of the practice down the road.
Your thoughts?
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PA is considering almost the same exact thing in "urban areas." In fact, they may beyond consideration because it appears to be up for a vote at this month's PA Game Commission meeting:
"Agricultural deer damage continues to be a challenge in the Commonwealth’s more developed areas. Special hunting regulations exist for these areas, but hunting and permitted control provisions at times create conflicting regulations. The amendment to § 141.1(d)(6) will permit hunters to legally harvest deer during any deer season through the use of bait on properties authorized under a valid deer control permit(red tag farms) in WMUs 5C and 5D in the southeastern Pennsylvania special regulations areas."
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=563329&mod...
You always have to factor in the moral decay of govt legislatures, and their desire for more, and more revenue vs. the ethics of what they do. This could be case in point. I have not lived in a state that it does not appear that State Game officials make choices based on revenue enhancement, as opposed to good game managment.
Is there such thing as an 'urban area' in Wyoming??
Thanks for posting this Scott, I knew the mule deer were in trouble in the state but hadn't known whitetails were becoming so prevalent.
I remember an article in Buckmasters about a study conducted on the use of bait. Basically showed no difference in hunter success but the hunters with bait felt they had an advantage.
As a resident of one of the Counties cited by the game and fish I can say that this is starting to be a major problem. The Wyoming G & F is ignoring the major reason the deer are moving into town. Much of the surrounding area has been subdivided making rifle hunting nearly impossible. Worse is the private landowners not allowing hunting on their property. The carring capacity of a paticular tract of land is exceeded and the deer that get run off move into town. Too much hunting pressure on the too few public land access areas close to town have moved all the deer to that private land that restricts hunting.
I agree, it opens the door to expanding it in the future. Isn't the primary concern NOT to spread disease?
+1 MaxPower. I can't imagine that there are many urban areas in Wyoming.
Baiting has been legal in Ohio for years. It is a great tool to attract deer to a central location for an easy shot. I see nothing wrong with this. It reduces wounded game and reduces the herd at the same time.
Potential problems arise when your neighbor baits deer but the deer eat your shrubs and landscaping. Deer can also be baited to areas they are protected. Which is opposite of the intended purpose. Baiting is illegal in the city I live near but legal outside the city limits.
Seems like a reasonable way to cull deer in problem areas. But my bet is that it won't have a significant impact on the target population.
Jake Jones nailed it! But yes the whitetail is taking over. I guess it could kinda be evolution/adaptation in process, so maybe we shouldn't try to interfere too much? When I lived in Wyoming The whitetail were becoming prominent in the lower country but the Bighorn mountains were almost entirely mule deer and elk, with a few pronghorn mixed into the mash. (I think I saw a new world record antelope up in the big horns actually. was very tall, and very wide, and also had some serious mass too. On private land of course)
A better system would be that you had to shoot a whitetail doe before you could harvest a buck of either whitetail or mule deer. Would probably knock the numbers down significantly. Maybe I'm totally off base here but I'm thinking it would show improvement at least.
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During the fall of 2008, AGFC personnel collected over 200 samples of corn from deer feeders and bait sites across the state. Few samples had levels of aflatoxin that would be considered dangerous for turkeys or deer. However, there are other effects from baiting such as increased risk of nest predation near bait sites or the possibility increasing mammalian predator populations by providing bait that are not well understood.
Brad Miller
Asst. Chief, Bureau of Wildlife
E: bfmiller@agfc.state.ar.us | P: (501) 223-6395 | M: (501) 580-3428
Arkansas Game and Fish Commission
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P: (800) 364-4263 | F: (501) 223-6452
www.agfc.com
Kim Cartwright
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Arkansas Game and Fish Commission
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BAD IDEA!
I foresee problems with enforcement: How do you accurately define those areas where baiting is allowed and those where it is not. If you can't define this, how do you stop people from baiting in areas where it doesn't fit management needs. How can you expect the average hunter to be make that determination (I have met people who think a town of 15,000 is "the big city." I grew up in Chicago)?
I'd say it's worth a shot. Why? Because it still involves HUNTING! What I mean is, a lot of state's refuse to rely on hunters to control deer, and go to expensive and ineffective methods. So I say give the "urban baiting" a shot. At least it will keep hunters in the drivers seat for population control.
Heck if those boys have a deer problem out in Wyo. why don't they up the bag limits and lower the non-res tags. I personally volunteer to go out there and make some steaks. I usually drive through Cheyenne once a year and would happily put some weight over the rear axles on the way home.
15,000 is a big city
Wisconsin, which allows baiting, has had issues with chronic wasting disease. The documented cases of CWD were believed to have occurred because large numbers of deer share saliva when eating from the same bait piles. You don't have that much contact in non baiting areas even when there are dense populations of deer.
PLUS 1 Chuckles. And in addition, Baiting didn't make a heap of difference in Georgia this year.
@fezzant: In PA they would limit it only to farms with valid deer control permits. But, still, isn't the risk of disease not worth it? We don't have CWD in PA, but it's in neighboring states.
Scatter the bait out all over the ground then its no divverent than a food plot!
Interesting comments coming out of the PGC's meeting this month:
"Now to the subject of deer culling. A culling is now taking place in a gated community in Pike County. As of today 77 deer have been culled and by the end of next week the goal is to cull 188 deer. The problem with this is that these deer are being lured out of DCNR land by using bait inside the private community.
No wonder there are a lot of complaints in this part of the county from the "No Deer" crowd."
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=25517...
Baiting of deer has been legal in WV forever. I don't think it is legal in Colo. and that is where CWD started.
Deer have found a home in the sub-divisions of the cities and small towns. One way of getting them out of the sub-divisions onto property where they can be killed is through baiting. Whether you like it or not it is a good way to lure deer away from the populated areas. As someone said scatter the corn out like a food plot and don't put it in a pile the deer don't care they will find it. I live in a town of 2000 people and there are deer in the field between my house and the hospital every night. However with corn they can be lured across the river where they can be killed. My wife is glad because she is tired of having her flowers eaten.
If they are going implement this plan it needs to state wide so not to create more work for fish and wildlife officials on trying to stop baiting in areas not approved for it.
I have no interest in baiting any animal except for perhaps a troublesome grizzly. I personally don't consider baiting deer, using scent cover, the latest camo clothing, checking out the photos from the trail cam, and hiding in a tree for the kill to be hunting. I doubt the bill will pass anyway. Even if it does the Wyoming F & G will have few problems with the location piece since they have dealt successfully with this same area/bait issue for black bears for decades. Frankly I agree in that I see hundreds of mulies but not an excessive quantity of whitetails since the die off from "blue tongue" about 5-6 years ago. I suppose some parts of the state must have not got their share of this disease in addition to CWD.
I live in Sheridan, WY and I understand why this has to happen. There is very little public land that the whitetail inhabit and even fewer ranchers who will let strangers hunt their land even thought there is the land owner's coupon incentive. There is also the problem of Elk, Muley, and Whitetail seasons overlapping so that the Whitetail quickly become 3rd on the list of priorities.
The last problem would probably be the way whitetails are perceived. We don't hunt whitetail, we harvest them to fill the freezer if Elk and Muley hunting isn't going well. I alone shot 3 does the last day of the season in about a hour in a friend's hay field, but many people around here aren't lucky enough to gain that sort of access.
Just a couple of thoughts...
1. We have had CWD for decades and I am not convinced that this is an issue here in Wyoming in terms of baiting.
2. Just cause we're small doesn't mean we don't have "urban areas.' We just define them differently than the rest of the country.
3. Habitat, and access to it, is becoming a big issue in terms of controlling populations. Until the landownders in the affected areas are willing to give a little latitude to hunters, I don't see as much population control as WGFD wants even iwth baiting. I think that if the landowners want thier $$$, they need to work with WGFD on this issue. It isn't just whitetails, it is affecting elk, muleys, antelope...
4. "earn a buck" system might be a thought, again, hunters will still need access.
5. Budget year for the legislature... so this is probably a moot conversation!
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15,000 is a big city
As a resident of one of the Counties cited by the game and fish I can say that this is starting to be a major problem. The Wyoming G & F is ignoring the major reason the deer are moving into town. Much of the surrounding area has been subdivided making rifle hunting nearly impossible. Worse is the private landowners not allowing hunting on their property. The carring capacity of a paticular tract of land is exceeded and the deer that get run off move into town. Too much hunting pressure on the too few public land access areas close to town have moved all the deer to that private land that restricts hunting.
I'd say it's worth a shot. Why? Because it still involves HUNTING! What I mean is, a lot of state's refuse to rely on hunters to control deer, and go to expensive and ineffective methods. So I say give the "urban baiting" a shot. At least it will keep hunters in the drivers seat for population control.
Heck if those boys have a deer problem out in Wyo. why don't they up the bag limits and lower the non-res tags. I personally volunteer to go out there and make some steaks. I usually drive through Cheyenne once a year and would happily put some weight over the rear axles on the way home.
I live in Sheridan, WY and I understand why this has to happen. There is very little public land that the whitetail inhabit and even fewer ranchers who will let strangers hunt their land even thought there is the land owner's coupon incentive. There is also the problem of Elk, Muley, and Whitetail seasons overlapping so that the Whitetail quickly become 3rd on the list of priorities.
The last problem would probably be the way whitetails are perceived. We don't hunt whitetail, we harvest them to fill the freezer if Elk and Muley hunting isn't going well. I alone shot 3 does the last day of the season in about a hour in a friend's hay field, but many people around here aren't lucky enough to gain that sort of access.
Wisconsin, which allows baiting, has had issues with chronic wasting disease. The documented cases of CWD were believed to have occurred because large numbers of deer share saliva when eating from the same bait piles. You don't have that much contact in non baiting areas even when there are dense populations of deer.
PA is considering almost the same exact thing in "urban areas." In fact, they may beyond consideration because it appears to be up for a vote at this month's PA Game Commission meeting:
"Agricultural deer damage continues to be a challenge in the Commonwealth’s more developed areas. Special hunting regulations exist for these areas, but hunting and permitted control provisions at times create conflicting regulations. The amendment to § 141.1(d)(6) will permit hunters to legally harvest deer during any deer season through the use of bait on properties authorized under a valid deer control permit(red tag farms) in WMUs 5C and 5D in the southeastern Pennsylvania special regulations areas."
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=563329&mod...
You always have to factor in the moral decay of govt legislatures, and their desire for more, and more revenue vs. the ethics of what they do. This could be case in point. I have not lived in a state that it does not appear that State Game officials make choices based on revenue enhancement, as opposed to good game managment.
Is there such thing as an 'urban area' in Wyoming??
Thanks for posting this Scott, I knew the mule deer were in trouble in the state but hadn't known whitetails were becoming so prevalent.
I remember an article in Buckmasters about a study conducted on the use of bait. Basically showed no difference in hunter success but the hunters with bait felt they had an advantage.
I agree, it opens the door to expanding it in the future. Isn't the primary concern NOT to spread disease?
Baiting has been legal in Ohio for years. It is a great tool to attract deer to a central location for an easy shot. I see nothing wrong with this. It reduces wounded game and reduces the herd at the same time.
Potential problems arise when your neighbor baits deer but the deer eat your shrubs and landscaping. Deer can also be baited to areas they are protected. Which is opposite of the intended purpose. Baiting is illegal in the city I live near but legal outside the city limits.
Seems like a reasonable way to cull deer in problem areas. But my bet is that it won't have a significant impact on the target population.
Jake Jones nailed it! But yes the whitetail is taking over. I guess it could kinda be evolution/adaptation in process, so maybe we shouldn't try to interfere too much? When I lived in Wyoming The whitetail were becoming prominent in the lower country but the Bighorn mountains were almost entirely mule deer and elk, with a few pronghorn mixed into the mash. (I think I saw a new world record antelope up in the big horns actually. was very tall, and very wide, and also had some serious mass too. On private land of course)
A better system would be that you had to shoot a whitetail doe before you could harvest a buck of either whitetail or mule deer. Would probably knock the numbers down significantly. Maybe I'm totally off base here but I'm thinking it would show improvement at least.
From:
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To:
Clay Cooper
During the fall of 2008, AGFC personnel collected over 200 samples of corn from deer feeders and bait sites across the state. Few samples had levels of aflatoxin that would be considered dangerous for turkeys or deer. However, there are other effects from baiting such as increased risk of nest predation near bait sites or the possibility increasing mammalian predator populations by providing bait that are not well understood.
Brad Miller
Asst. Chief, Bureau of Wildlife
E: bfmiller@agfc.state.ar.us | P: (501) 223-6395 | M: (501) 580-3428
Arkansas Game and Fish Commission
2 Natural Resources Drive | Little Rock , AR 72205
P: (800) 364-4263 | F: (501) 223-6452
www.agfc.com
Kim Cartwright
Media Specialist
E: kccartwright@agfc.state.ar.us | P: (501)-978-7334 | M: (501)-246-0822
Arkansas Game and Fish Commission
2 Natural Resources Drive | Little Rock , AR 72205
P: (800) 364-4263 | F: (501) 223-6447
www.agfc.com
www.Facebook.com/ARGameandFish
www.Twitter.com/ARGameandFish
BAD IDEA!
I foresee problems with enforcement: How do you accurately define those areas where baiting is allowed and those where it is not. If you can't define this, how do you stop people from baiting in areas where it doesn't fit management needs. How can you expect the average hunter to be make that determination (I have met people who think a town of 15,000 is "the big city." I grew up in Chicago)?
PLUS 1 Chuckles. And in addition, Baiting didn't make a heap of difference in Georgia this year.
@fezzant: In PA they would limit it only to farms with valid deer control permits. But, still, isn't the risk of disease not worth it? We don't have CWD in PA, but it's in neighboring states.
Scatter the bait out all over the ground then its no divverent than a food plot!
Interesting comments coming out of the PGC's meeting this month:
"Now to the subject of deer culling. A culling is now taking place in a gated community in Pike County. As of today 77 deer have been culled and by the end of next week the goal is to cull 188 deer. The problem with this is that these deer are being lured out of DCNR land by using bait inside the private community.
No wonder there are a lot of complaints in this part of the county from the "No Deer" crowd."
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=25517...
Baiting of deer has been legal in WV forever. I don't think it is legal in Colo. and that is where CWD started.
Deer have found a home in the sub-divisions of the cities and small towns. One way of getting them out of the sub-divisions onto property where they can be killed is through baiting. Whether you like it or not it is a good way to lure deer away from the populated areas. As someone said scatter the corn out like a food plot and don't put it in a pile the deer don't care they will find it. I live in a town of 2000 people and there are deer in the field between my house and the hospital every night. However with corn they can be lured across the river where they can be killed. My wife is glad because she is tired of having her flowers eaten.
If they are going implement this plan it needs to state wide so not to create more work for fish and wildlife officials on trying to stop baiting in areas not approved for it.
I have no interest in baiting any animal except for perhaps a troublesome grizzly. I personally don't consider baiting deer, using scent cover, the latest camo clothing, checking out the photos from the trail cam, and hiding in a tree for the kill to be hunting. I doubt the bill will pass anyway. Even if it does the Wyoming F & G will have few problems with the location piece since they have dealt successfully with this same area/bait issue for black bears for decades. Frankly I agree in that I see hundreds of mulies but not an excessive quantity of whitetails since the die off from "blue tongue" about 5-6 years ago. I suppose some parts of the state must have not got their share of this disease in addition to CWD.
Just a couple of thoughts...
1. We have had CWD for decades and I am not convinced that this is an issue here in Wyoming in terms of baiting.
2. Just cause we're small doesn't mean we don't have "urban areas.' We just define them differently than the rest of the country.
3. Habitat, and access to it, is becoming a big issue in terms of controlling populations. Until the landownders in the affected areas are willing to give a little latitude to hunters, I don't see as much population control as WGFD wants even iwth baiting. I think that if the landowners want thier $$$, they need to work with WGFD on this issue. It isn't just whitetails, it is affecting elk, muleys, antelope...
4. "earn a buck" system might be a thought, again, hunters will still need access.
5. Budget year for the legislature... so this is probably a moot conversation!
+1 MaxPower. I can't imagine that there are many urban areas in Wyoming.
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