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November 05, 2013

I Am Not an A-Hole!

By Dave Hurteau

A guy I knew in college used to say, “Everyone you don’t know is an a-hole.” The idea was pretty novel to me then, but as I wade deeper into the manure pit of life, I’m learning that this is pretty much the guiding principle for some people and, I’m sorry to say, some hunters.

I bring this up because when I got to my stand tree this morning, there was no stand. Gone, stolen over the weekend. This is the second stand I’ve had swiped this year, along with a trail camera. I know the landowner didn’t take it. And so, as I stood there, staring at the bare tree trunk, mumbling, “Who does that? What kind of rotten person does that?” The only answer left was, and is…my fellow hunters.

Pathetic, right? Which naturally leads to the question, how? How does one hunter justify stealing another’s stuff? I suppose a few probably don’t bother to justify it. It’s a free stand and who will know? But this can’t account for all the stolen stuff. We can’t possibly be that depraved a group. No, I think the answer may have to do with the principle above. That when some hunters see another’s stand, they assume the latter is up to no good—that he doesn’t have permission, that he’s usurping the best spot, that he’s purposely crowding the property line…. In short, “Every hunter you don’t know is an a-hole,” and therefore deserves getting his stuff swiped.

Well, to that sort of messed-up logic, and to the guy who stole my stand, I say: I am not an a-hole! So what does that make you?

As I was walking out, I ran into the landowner, an older farmer and one of the nicest guys you’d want to meet, who, as I’ve mentioned before, let’s just about everybody on. I told him about the treestand.

“Ferocious,” he said. “You hunters are ferocious to each other.”

“No, no,” I’d like to have argued. “We’re brothers. We share a bond—an understanding.”

But at the moment I didn’t have a leg, or a stand, to stand on.

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from Kris24 wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

From a slightly skewed point of view. We all have A-holes and they are all very useful. I cant imagine what life would be like without mine, so I don't mind saying I love my A-hole.

Thieves on the other hand are not A-holes, but instead they are the pieces that are expelled from the A-hole. The body gets rid of the pieces of s--t (PoS)from the A-hole and that is a miraculous and beautiful thing.

In closing and to summarize....the world needs A-holes, but it does not need the pieces of s--t and thus can expel them. If I had it my way all thieves (PoS) would be expelled by a good A-hole!!!

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from abiddle013 wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

I've swiped two stands myself and one set of ladder sticks. It's really nice getting free hunting equipment.

I'm not an a-hole though. The stands I swiped were on my farm and were put up by a poaching neighbor.

We've got these guys on camera a couple times and know exactly who they are. One year they shot three deer including a buck. The sob cut off the antlers and left ALL THREE laying in a pile in the middle of the field (minus the backstraps as well). So, I have no problem swiping stands that they put up and I will continue if they haven't learned their lesson. It's sad that we have to encounter such low-lifes in the places that should be an escape.

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from ALJoe wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

I've had two stands stole off of my own property. It bothers me that the sorry POS thief is stupid enough to come on my own property. I hope that I never catch them on my property. As far as I'm concerned there is no place on this Earth for a sorry POS thief.

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from Koldkut wrote 23 weeks 23 hours ago

I'd be putting lojack on the next stand, and a trail camera with no flash set to watch your stand.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 23 weeks 23 hours ago

This year I'm hunting a neighbor's farm. I have a camera on the wood's edge of the now cut corn. I know there are others that hunt this property and the one bunch are in your words A-holes so when I go to my stand or to check my camera a little piece of me always wonders if they'll still be there when I get there.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 23 weeks 22 hours ago

This year I'm hunting a neighbor's farm. I have a camera on the wood's edge of the now cut corn. I know there are others that hunt this property and the one bunch are in your words A-holes so when I go to my stand or to check my camera a little piece of me always wonders if they'll still be there when I get there.

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from Mdhunter1 wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

Dave, i feel your pain. This year i (a junior hunter) recieved permission to hunt on a large farm in my home state. I put up an brand new treestand, climbing sticks, and a game camera, all that i bought myself. Being stolen from is a horrible feeling, it's like someone you don't know is spitting in your face and mocking you. Dave, im sorry you were stolen from. And i am sorry that this is what our world has come to. -Jack

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from Newt wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

In the past 5 years, I've had stolen two (2) climbing stands, my entire music library, a set of tools, and my child's battery-powered jeep (who does that?). If I went back another 5 years, I could tack on numerous other items. Someone who doesn't want to work for what they may posses is the lowest form of life.

Ants, bees, most wild animals, and even some politicians work to obtain personal possessions. Then comes along some poor soul and takes what belongs to someone else. I absolutely hate it! You struck a nerve, Dave.

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from Jeffrey Narusch wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

Well In the early 90's I had property in North Central Pa. I bought the property so I could have my own slice of heaven. I had a 3 1/2 hour drive from Southeastern Pa. to get there, so to say the least I could not make it every weekend to check on the place. I went up the weekend before opening archery and hung my stand after scouting game movement. The following Friday I drove up after work and got in after dark. I found my popup camper had been vandalized. I got everything opened up and took inventory of missing items. Woke up the next morning before sunrise and headed for my tree stand. Well when I got to the tree my stand was gone. I hunted the morning on the ground and was so mad I packed up the camper then drove back home a day early. I put the place up for sale on Monday ! This was in a gated community of fellow hunters !

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from MaxPower wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

Though I agree there a lot of PoS 'hunters' who do this. Remember there is a whole slew of crack-pots who fancy themselves heroes because they turn mink loose from farms, spy on hunters with drones and steal/vandalize hunting assets.

Don't believe me? Look up SHARK or Empty Cages on Google or Facebook.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

I haul in heavy chain and lock my stand to the tree, I have never had it stolen based on the premise that thieves are basically lazy. If I make stealing too much work, they would look elsewhere. They have tried to get mine, but not yet. Did you check that water in the pix. It might have been just plain vandalism to discourage you from that spot. Most of the hunters I know carry their stands in and out when on public land. someone can’t be using all these stolen stands and trail cameras, They are either being resold as used or it is vandalism. Did you mark it some way and then check on craigs list a few days later?

One year I had an old ladder stand set up Way way way back in the bush, I was hoping someone would steal it. No such luck.

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from lilhays06 wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

I had a camera set up over a feeder on family property, went to check it one day and someone had shot it. They left the SD card in but they had shot it from the rear. I cant figure out what the motive behind it was other than to be a complete A-Hole for the sole purpose of being an A-Hole.

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from Safado wrote 23 weeks 19 hours ago

I have a saying and as I get older I find it to be the gospel, "People will disappoint you."

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from buckhunter wrote 23 weeks 18 hours ago

If you are ever in Ohio and find a large hole randomly dug in the middle of the woods, that's where we bury stand poachers. Holes are also good for rapist, molesters, murderers and your daughters boyfriend. Got the idea from watching a cat in the litter box one day.

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from Badgerrev wrote 23 weeks 17 hours ago

Dave I feel your pain. I'm a pastor in NE and love to hunt. I've been blest with great ground of members to hunt on when I have time. Last fall I set up stands with one of the members I serve, on his land. One stand for me and one for him. A landowner just north of his land put some CRP in the NE Walk-in program we weren't thrilled but what can we do. We immediately had trespassers!!!!!!!!!! We posted signs, kindly asked folks we came across to stay off. One fine fall afternoon I came to check on things and find on the north side of the dividing fence line 4 deer carcasses left laying in the fence line, one of which was a buck whose head had been cut off and staked on top of a fence post. We called this into the authorities and informed them that they should have no problem catching the folks as they left they tags on the carcasses. We don't know for 100% who did it, but this spring both the treestands we had put up were stolen revenge for turning in they're illegal behavior which gives hunting a bad name. If I find a stand on the lands I have permission to hunt on, and I know they don't belong there I take them down and leave a note where they can be picked up and also explain what they were doing there in the first place since they know they're trespassing.

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from Douglas wrote 23 weeks 8 hours ago

Kris24 said it best.
Society in general is infected with "ME FIRST" disease. This anything goes attitude is where all kinds of abuse is spawned.
If it were me, I would put a sign on the stand tree that reads "Go to church. Change your life".

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from Codyg60 wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

My first post did not work. The 2nd week of bow season here in NY somebody broke into my car in my driveway and stole my Mathews bow, my arrows with all the broadheads, hunting clothes, knife, and binoculars. I was completely wiped out. I had to go out and spend alot of my hard earned money to get a whole new set up. This past Saturday I shot my biggest/most mature whitetail I have ever taken. So redemption sure is sweet even if it as because of some POS people with absolutely no respect for the things that we work had for. I hope you season turns around as mine did. Good luck.

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from Dangle wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

Breakup, and breakdown of the family unit. I met one yesterday out bird hunting. The guy's going through a divorce he tells me, and his 6th grade son dropped out of school, and is now back in school. He says teachers are just trying to push him through the system, and he went to school "and gave everyone of them A-holes a reprimand, and told them they had better start teaching him something!" Says he has the reading skills of a 3rd grader after testing, and they are giving him "A's". Then he asks me if I'd tutor his kid. " I asked him, "does your kid pay attention in school,?"...and he says YES! Yeh, right, all the teacher's fault. And an easy case can be made for our big, bloated central govt greatly contributing to the problem.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

Welcome to the club, Dave. Part of the problem may be the feeling that "You are rich, and you can afford it". Some people can justify their actions in their own mind, and therefore feel no sense of guilt, no matter that their action is against the law. They feel "entitled" and are just getting even with "the Man".

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 23 weeks 6 hours ago

Dave, I think you can see by now that you aren't alone. But that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. Hell it shouldn't be swallowed. One of the commentors above made a comment about using a chain to make it difficult because most thieves are lazy. He's right. In about 3 months my outdoor products startup company will be releasing our product designed specifically with this crap in mind. I'll contact you when tooling is complete and send you a set that I think you'll enjoy. I'll give away a couple sets to a few of you other baffoons too since you all give me some good laughs on a day to day basis.

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from seth trudeau wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

SD Hunter... Count me in on your product I'm going ti be purchasing my first stand set very soon and am dreading this. I can only hunt on public property and have heard of this being done on the property.

It's amazing what people will do...
Seth

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from tmbryant wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

I had a ladder stand, a tree stand and the steps to get up to the tree stand stolen last year. We had a oil company come in and build a drilling location making my ladder stand visible. I should have removed the stands before the drilling rig came in as the location made the stand location no longer a viable stand. I didn't. When the drilling rig was gone 30 days later, so were the two stands. The tree stand wasn't visible from the rig location. Someone was wandering around where they didn't belong to find that one.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

Seth, I think you'll be psyched about what our product should offer. I don't want to turn F&S into a free advertisement or anything but I'll definitely let people know when they can check it out. We're really excited to bring something like this to so many people who will need it.

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

I should probably note that I joined the club a long, long time ago. I'm sure I've had at least a dozen stand stolen over the years. And anyone thinking that I'm rich is, well, rich.

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from VAHunter540 wrote 23 weeks 2 hours ago

During my school years I had plenty of free time so I scouted a few months, weeks and then days ahead of time in person and then just jumped in and hunted. As I have gotten older and "life" has taken up most of my free time I resorted to using trail cameras and hanging stands early when I could find the time. I NEVER FIGURED on the amount of stress caused by leaving a $100- $300 piece of equipment out in the woods..... alone. Even now I still get a sick feeling when I set my cameras or stands up today on my OWN private land and walk away from them. All I can do is hope they are still there when I return. ITS A TERRIBLE FEELING AND I BLAME THE A-HOLES.

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from Bioguy01 wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

I came up with a solution to this problem a while back but it's dependent on how much hunters are willing to spend on peace of mind. GPS tracking devices are not only small enough to fit inside the tubing of a tree stand frame, but they are also smart enough to send a text message to your smartphone if the unit leaves a designated area. The hard part is convincing a GPS company that there is a market for this kind of technology.

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from Dangle wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

And that is why there are so many gated communities today...folks with decent sets of values that have made the sacrifices necessary to be successful...that drive to, and from work, and never want to associate with all the A-holes that are out there. And why so many private hunting clubs with well to do people coming together, and leasing large tracts of land, and posting it.

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from Carl Huber wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

Most of the above posts might be the reason locks were invented 4000 years ago. Disappointment in your fellow man might be older than that.

That being said I am surprised the the makers of Trail Cameras haven't adopted the same technology as Car Radios. Everyone knows when the electrical circuit is broken they no longer work. A code must be re-entered. A simple bracket can first be mounted and the camera plugged into the contacts.

I also have an opinion on locks and chains. I have opened a bunch. JMHO The best lock is a Kryptonite or Master Disc lock. Instead of chain a steel cable is harder to cut. Of course there are Bump Keys and cordless angel grinders so nothing is really safe.

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from wpickett wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I hate a thief myself, but I have a slightly different dilemma. I hunt public land and by law your suppose to take you stand with you every day and not suppose to use screw pegs. This guy set up a lock-on with screw pegs. He has take out the lower ones but he leaves his stand up - two years straight. I only found it as it was a place I thought would be an ideal hunting spot. So basically he has reserve this idea spot over a very steep valley in a popular tree that backs up to a hemlock. I have a self-climber so I can't use the tree. I wonder what is the ethical thing to do about this one.

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from wpickett wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I hate a thief myself, but I have a slightly different dilemma. I hunt public land and by law your suppose to take you stand with you every day and not suppose to use screw pegs. This guy set up a lock-on with screw pegs. He has take out the lower ones but he leaves his stand up - two years straight. I only found it as it was a place I thought would be an ideal hunting spot. So basically he has reserve this idea spot over a very steep valley in a popular tree that backs up to a hemlock. I have a self-climber so I can't use the tree. I wonder what is the ethical thing to do about this one.

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from RiverratMike wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

There are cameras that are designed to be undetectable (hidden) a lot better than a trail camera. But rather than put out the extra bucks I would put one of those steel cases around both the bait and surveillance camera and hide the latter in a hollowed out stump. There was some vandalism out at our (Lewiston, ID) range, which is a remote area and isn't supervised, and we got three good shots of the adults causing the damage but no one could ID them. A spring bear trap is being considered.

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from cmcneal100 wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I keep trying to respond to this but the website seems to be having problems. Basically what I was trying to alert others to was that these thefts may not be other hunters but people stealing for the purpose of reselling the items on E-Bay or at yard sales.

We've had this problem in Kansas and I sure we're not unique.

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from hermit crab wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Private land is one thing, but if it's not your land and there are others hunting on it, why would you leave something like that out there? Climbers and hang-on stands are so lightweight and easy to attach that there's no reason to be lazy, leave your valuable gear sitting out in woods, and advertise your hunting spot. If you've had a dozen stands stolen over the years, you'd think you'd have learned better?

I HATE when guys leave stands up on public land all season long, or for years at a time. In Ohio, the regs book says you cannot leave a permanent-type tree stand on public land. The state forest I hunt, I know of at least a half dozen ladder stands that have been up for years.

If a stand is sitting out on public land and you're not sitting in it, it is and should be considered abandoned - and the local ODNR officer agreed with me. You put a ladder stand up and leave it there for a month, you deserve to have it stolen.

Would you leave an ATV, or game cart, or your bow, or gun, or binoculars, or backpack out in the woods on public land? Why is a tree stand any different?

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from tunadave wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

This has been alluded to in a couple of earlier posts. At the risk of dating myself, I believe this activity is the "new normal" in today's society. The moral fabric is horribly torn; honesty, personal responsibility, and respect for other people's property has been replaced with "What can I get for free?" even if you don't have a right to it. I too have to lock things up, where in my youth you didn't have to worry about even locking your doors. You can still do that in a few select places, but it's pretty rare. It's sheer anarchy now. The principle of "do onto others as you would have them do to you" is almost extinct. A sad commentary on society today.

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from manitobaguides wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Let that a-hole hunter take your treestand, and have another one with YOUR NAME and a trap setup on the other side.

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from Gary Devine wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Dave, I feel your pain but your lucky the A-Hole didn’t sabotage your tree stand.

My brother walked into his wooden A-Frame tree stand for an afternoon hunt. While climbing up his steps he noticed two fresh cuts on two of his main wooden beams extending out from the single tree his stand was hanging on. The cuts were 80 per cent into the wood leaving 20 percent remaining. My brother weights 250 pounds and his body weight would cause the stand to crash twenty feet to the ground.

If my brother walked in for an early morning hunt in the dark he would have never seen the sabotage cuts on his stand. He could have been killed or in a wheel chair today. Warning to all, every hunter should inspect their tree stand before they get into it.

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from cduke wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Don't be too quick to blame other hunters! Lost one camera to pot growers, and 2 others and 2 tree stands to a tree hugger who thought I shouldn't be allowed to hunt on my friends property so took it upon himself to remove them. He has been caught and is looking at possible trespassing, theft, mischief. and interfering with a hunt charges.

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from delweaver wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

It's really not suprising nowadays certain people which it seems more and more incidents are occuring. Some people don't have moral values they do what they want when they want and my wife thinks I'm crazy because I want to move in the middle of no where away from everyone.

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from wittsec wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

I wish those thieves would get back to D.C. where they belong.

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from troll53 wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Agree...it sucks.

A few years ago I built a wooden stand in a tree on my own property. It is in a semi residential area and throughout the year the neighbors use it like it was a public park. What did "frost" me was going out to my stand on opening day to find that someone had sawed it in half.

Could be the "antis" stole your stuff and not another hunter.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Dave, I'm posting one more time so you keep up with Petzal's comment count on his sight in blog.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Not a problem for me. I leave NOTHING in the field when I go home. I even pick up my shotgun wads if I happen to see them.

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from Dangle wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Didn't know modern shotgun shells use wads anymore. I thought all use the plastic cups.

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from hermit crab wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Dangle, careful, you're dating yourself... The plastic cups are called wads.

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from dek0609 wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Ha! Something about being in the woods brings out the gypsy in some people. What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. You can't even grow dope in the woods without being robbed!

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from dek0609 wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Ha! Something about being in the woods brings out the gypsy in some people. What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. You can't even grow dope in the woods without being robbed!

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from Fruch wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Several years ago, my buddy had two tree stands and two sets of climbing steps stolen in one week. The obvious answer to us was that some anti with an agenda carried out the crimes of theft and hunter harassment.

Upon reporting the theft to the local police department, we were informed that it was most likely other bow hunters. We are from Massachusetts where Sunday hunting is still against state law. The police notice a spike every fall on Sundays when the thieves know we won't be on stand. So much for camaraderie.

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from Fruch wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Several years ago, my buddy had two tree stands and two sets of climbing steps stolen in one week. The obvious answer to us was that some anti with an agenda carried out the crimes of theft and hunter harassment.

Upon reporting the theft to the local police department, we were informed that it was most likely other bow hunters. We are from Massachusetts where Sunday hunting is still against state law. The police notice a spike every fall on Sundays when the thieves know we won't be on stand. So much for camaraderie.

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from GameTurtle wrote 22 weeks 3 days ago

Ive had 2 tree stands stolen and a camera stolen as well in the past year. What was really bad was finding 2 decking boards with 50 or so screws driven through each of them. I found them with my truck, suckers got both tires on my drivers side. Last week I go to check my new camera and find 2 deer carcasses laying in the ditch right beside my entry gate. (A Nice rotting Hello!!!) What gets me is the need for someone to mess with people for no reason. I hope I catch them in the act and I hope I can control my temper when I do. Everyone has an A-hole, Just some stink worse than others

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from nofish wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

My first ever bow hunt my stand was stolen opening day. I can't remember if I was 12 or 14. My dad split off with me to go to his stand. I kept on walking to my stand only to find it gone. Sat on the ground that day. I still think most hunters are A-holes, unless you somehow become friends. Now when I do hunt I pack in and pack out. That was nearly 20 years ago, still is upsetting.

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from SCBuilder66 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Not only does it give you a sick feeling in your stomach and a subtle rage about you, it is disheartening. As a fellow hunter I would like to think that we share a bond and that our unwritten code of ethics is stronger than many other groups. I have been guilty of feeling animosity towards other hunters crowding the spot that I hunt, but at the same time I have to step back and realize that they are there for the same reason as I and as long as they have permission they are just as welcome to hunt where they want to. It is saddening.

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from Georgeteyler1408 wrote 15 weeks 1 day ago

I feel your pain. I had two tree stands and two game cameras grow legs this year as well. I guess someone else needed them more than me. But that someone missed the other camera I had set up and caught him walking out with one of my stands. So I went on his property (neighbor) and hung his lock on stand from a tree branch that he is going to have to cut down the tree to get. Sorry to hear about your luck!

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from Kris24 wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

From a slightly skewed point of view. We all have A-holes and they are all very useful. I cant imagine what life would be like without mine, so I don't mind saying I love my A-hole.

Thieves on the other hand are not A-holes, but instead they are the pieces that are expelled from the A-hole. The body gets rid of the pieces of s--t (PoS)from the A-hole and that is a miraculous and beautiful thing.

In closing and to summarize....the world needs A-holes, but it does not need the pieces of s--t and thus can expel them. If I had it my way all thieves (PoS) would be expelled by a good A-hole!!!

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from abiddle013 wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

I've swiped two stands myself and one set of ladder sticks. It's really nice getting free hunting equipment.

I'm not an a-hole though. The stands I swiped were on my farm and were put up by a poaching neighbor.

We've got these guys on camera a couple times and know exactly who they are. One year they shot three deer including a buck. The sob cut off the antlers and left ALL THREE laying in a pile in the middle of the field (minus the backstraps as well). So, I have no problem swiping stands that they put up and I will continue if they haven't learned their lesson. It's sad that we have to encounter such low-lifes in the places that should be an escape.

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from Mdhunter1 wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

Dave, i feel your pain. This year i (a junior hunter) recieved permission to hunt on a large farm in my home state. I put up an brand new treestand, climbing sticks, and a game camera, all that i bought myself. Being stolen from is a horrible feeling, it's like someone you don't know is spitting in your face and mocking you. Dave, im sorry you were stolen from. And i am sorry that this is what our world has come to. -Jack

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from buckhunter wrote 23 weeks 18 hours ago

If you are ever in Ohio and find a large hole randomly dug in the middle of the woods, that's where we bury stand poachers. Holes are also good for rapist, molesters, murderers and your daughters boyfriend. Got the idea from watching a cat in the litter box one day.

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from ALJoe wrote 23 weeks 1 day ago

I've had two stands stole off of my own property. It bothers me that the sorry POS thief is stupid enough to come on my own property. I hope that I never catch them on my property. As far as I'm concerned there is no place on this Earth for a sorry POS thief.

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from MaxPower wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

Though I agree there a lot of PoS 'hunters' who do this. Remember there is a whole slew of crack-pots who fancy themselves heroes because they turn mink loose from farms, spy on hunters with drones and steal/vandalize hunting assets.

Don't believe me? Look up SHARK or Empty Cages on Google or Facebook.

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from tunadave wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

This has been alluded to in a couple of earlier posts. At the risk of dating myself, I believe this activity is the "new normal" in today's society. The moral fabric is horribly torn; honesty, personal responsibility, and respect for other people's property has been replaced with "What can I get for free?" even if you don't have a right to it. I too have to lock things up, where in my youth you didn't have to worry about even locking your doors. You can still do that in a few select places, but it's pretty rare. It's sheer anarchy now. The principle of "do onto others as you would have them do to you" is almost extinct. A sad commentary on society today.

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from Gary Devine wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Dave, I feel your pain but your lucky the A-Hole didn’t sabotage your tree stand.

My brother walked into his wooden A-Frame tree stand for an afternoon hunt. While climbing up his steps he noticed two fresh cuts on two of his main wooden beams extending out from the single tree his stand was hanging on. The cuts were 80 per cent into the wood leaving 20 percent remaining. My brother weights 250 pounds and his body weight would cause the stand to crash twenty feet to the ground.

If my brother walked in for an early morning hunt in the dark he would have never seen the sabotage cuts on his stand. He could have been killed or in a wheel chair today. Warning to all, every hunter should inspect their tree stand before they get into it.

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from wittsec wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

I wish those thieves would get back to D.C. where they belong.

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from Koldkut wrote 23 weeks 23 hours ago

I'd be putting lojack on the next stand, and a trail camera with no flash set to watch your stand.

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from Jeffrey Narusch wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

Well In the early 90's I had property in North Central Pa. I bought the property so I could have my own slice of heaven. I had a 3 1/2 hour drive from Southeastern Pa. to get there, so to say the least I could not make it every weekend to check on the place. I went up the weekend before opening archery and hung my stand after scouting game movement. The following Friday I drove up after work and got in after dark. I found my popup camper had been vandalized. I got everything opened up and took inventory of missing items. Woke up the next morning before sunrise and headed for my tree stand. Well when I got to the tree my stand was gone. I hunted the morning on the ground and was so mad I packed up the camper then drove back home a day early. I put the place up for sale on Monday ! This was in a gated community of fellow hunters !

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from Douglas wrote 23 weeks 8 hours ago

Kris24 said it best.
Society in general is infected with "ME FIRST" disease. This anything goes attitude is where all kinds of abuse is spawned.
If it were me, I would put a sign on the stand tree that reads "Go to church. Change your life".

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from Dangle wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

Breakup, and breakdown of the family unit. I met one yesterday out bird hunting. The guy's going through a divorce he tells me, and his 6th grade son dropped out of school, and is now back in school. He says teachers are just trying to push him through the system, and he went to school "and gave everyone of them A-holes a reprimand, and told them they had better start teaching him something!" Says he has the reading skills of a 3rd grader after testing, and they are giving him "A's". Then he asks me if I'd tutor his kid. " I asked him, "does your kid pay attention in school,?"...and he says YES! Yeh, right, all the teacher's fault. And an easy case can be made for our big, bloated central govt greatly contributing to the problem.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 23 weeks 6 hours ago

Dave, I think you can see by now that you aren't alone. But that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. Hell it shouldn't be swallowed. One of the commentors above made a comment about using a chain to make it difficult because most thieves are lazy. He's right. In about 3 months my outdoor products startup company will be releasing our product designed specifically with this crap in mind. I'll contact you when tooling is complete and send you a set that I think you'll enjoy. I'll give away a couple sets to a few of you other baffoons too since you all give me some good laughs on a day to day basis.

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from Carl Huber wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

Most of the above posts might be the reason locks were invented 4000 years ago. Disappointment in your fellow man might be older than that.

That being said I am surprised the the makers of Trail Cameras haven't adopted the same technology as Car Radios. Everyone knows when the electrical circuit is broken they no longer work. A code must be re-entered. A simple bracket can first be mounted and the camera plugged into the contacts.

I also have an opinion on locks and chains. I have opened a bunch. JMHO The best lock is a Kryptonite or Master Disc lock. Instead of chain a steel cable is harder to cut. Of course there are Bump Keys and cordless angel grinders so nothing is really safe.

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from cduke wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Don't be too quick to blame other hunters! Lost one camera to pot growers, and 2 others and 2 tree stands to a tree hugger who thought I shouldn't be allowed to hunt on my friends property so took it upon himself to remove them. He has been caught and is looking at possible trespassing, theft, mischief. and interfering with a hunt charges.

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from SCBuilder66 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Not only does it give you a sick feeling in your stomach and a subtle rage about you, it is disheartening. As a fellow hunter I would like to think that we share a bond and that our unwritten code of ethics is stronger than many other groups. I have been guilty of feeling animosity towards other hunters crowding the spot that I hunt, but at the same time I have to step back and realize that they are there for the same reason as I and as long as they have permission they are just as welcome to hunt where they want to. It is saddening.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 23 weeks 23 hours ago

This year I'm hunting a neighbor's farm. I have a camera on the wood's edge of the now cut corn. I know there are others that hunt this property and the one bunch are in your words A-holes so when I go to my stand or to check my camera a little piece of me always wonders if they'll still be there when I get there.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 23 weeks 22 hours ago

This year I'm hunting a neighbor's farm. I have a camera on the wood's edge of the now cut corn. I know there are others that hunt this property and the one bunch are in your words A-holes so when I go to my stand or to check my camera a little piece of me always wonders if they'll still be there when I get there.

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from Newt wrote 23 weeks 21 hours ago

In the past 5 years, I've had stolen two (2) climbing stands, my entire music library, a set of tools, and my child's battery-powered jeep (who does that?). If I went back another 5 years, I could tack on numerous other items. Someone who doesn't want to work for what they may posses is the lowest form of life.

Ants, bees, most wild animals, and even some politicians work to obtain personal possessions. Then comes along some poor soul and takes what belongs to someone else. I absolutely hate it! You struck a nerve, Dave.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

I haul in heavy chain and lock my stand to the tree, I have never had it stolen based on the premise that thieves are basically lazy. If I make stealing too much work, they would look elsewhere. They have tried to get mine, but not yet. Did you check that water in the pix. It might have been just plain vandalism to discourage you from that spot. Most of the hunters I know carry their stands in and out when on public land. someone can’t be using all these stolen stands and trail cameras, They are either being resold as used or it is vandalism. Did you mark it some way and then check on craigs list a few days later?

One year I had an old ladder stand set up Way way way back in the bush, I was hoping someone would steal it. No such luck.

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from lilhays06 wrote 23 weeks 20 hours ago

I had a camera set up over a feeder on family property, went to check it one day and someone had shot it. They left the SD card in but they had shot it from the rear. I cant figure out what the motive behind it was other than to be a complete A-Hole for the sole purpose of being an A-Hole.

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from Safado wrote 23 weeks 19 hours ago

I have a saying and as I get older I find it to be the gospel, "People will disappoint you."

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from Badgerrev wrote 23 weeks 17 hours ago

Dave I feel your pain. I'm a pastor in NE and love to hunt. I've been blest with great ground of members to hunt on when I have time. Last fall I set up stands with one of the members I serve, on his land. One stand for me and one for him. A landowner just north of his land put some CRP in the NE Walk-in program we weren't thrilled but what can we do. We immediately had trespassers!!!!!!!!!! We posted signs, kindly asked folks we came across to stay off. One fine fall afternoon I came to check on things and find on the north side of the dividing fence line 4 deer carcasses left laying in the fence line, one of which was a buck whose head had been cut off and staked on top of a fence post. We called this into the authorities and informed them that they should have no problem catching the folks as they left they tags on the carcasses. We don't know for 100% who did it, but this spring both the treestands we had put up were stolen revenge for turning in they're illegal behavior which gives hunting a bad name. If I find a stand on the lands I have permission to hunt on, and I know they don't belong there I take them down and leave a note where they can be picked up and also explain what they were doing there in the first place since they know they're trespassing.

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from Codyg60 wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

My first post did not work. The 2nd week of bow season here in NY somebody broke into my car in my driveway and stole my Mathews bow, my arrows with all the broadheads, hunting clothes, knife, and binoculars. I was completely wiped out. I had to go out and spend alot of my hard earned money to get a whole new set up. This past Saturday I shot my biggest/most mature whitetail I have ever taken. So redemption sure is sweet even if it as because of some POS people with absolutely no respect for the things that we work had for. I hope you season turns around as mine did. Good luck.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 23 weeks 7 hours ago

Welcome to the club, Dave. Part of the problem may be the feeling that "You are rich, and you can afford it". Some people can justify their actions in their own mind, and therefore feel no sense of guilt, no matter that their action is against the law. They feel "entitled" and are just getting even with "the Man".

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from seth trudeau wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

SD Hunter... Count me in on your product I'm going ti be purchasing my first stand set very soon and am dreading this. I can only hunt on public property and have heard of this being done on the property.

It's amazing what people will do...
Seth

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from tmbryant wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

I had a ladder stand, a tree stand and the steps to get up to the tree stand stolen last year. We had a oil company come in and build a drilling location making my ladder stand visible. I should have removed the stands before the drilling rig came in as the location made the stand location no longer a viable stand. I didn't. When the drilling rig was gone 30 days later, so were the two stands. The tree stand wasn't visible from the rig location. Someone was wandering around where they didn't belong to find that one.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

Seth, I think you'll be psyched about what our product should offer. I don't want to turn F&S into a free advertisement or anything but I'll definitely let people know when they can check it out. We're really excited to bring something like this to so many people who will need it.

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 23 weeks 4 hours ago

I should probably note that I joined the club a long, long time ago. I'm sure I've had at least a dozen stand stolen over the years. And anyone thinking that I'm rich is, well, rich.

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from VAHunter540 wrote 23 weeks 2 hours ago

During my school years I had plenty of free time so I scouted a few months, weeks and then days ahead of time in person and then just jumped in and hunted. As I have gotten older and "life" has taken up most of my free time I resorted to using trail cameras and hanging stands early when I could find the time. I NEVER FIGURED on the amount of stress caused by leaving a $100- $300 piece of equipment out in the woods..... alone. Even now I still get a sick feeling when I set my cameras or stands up today on my OWN private land and walk away from them. All I can do is hope they are still there when I return. ITS A TERRIBLE FEELING AND I BLAME THE A-HOLES.

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from Bioguy01 wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

I came up with a solution to this problem a while back but it's dependent on how much hunters are willing to spend on peace of mind. GPS tracking devices are not only small enough to fit inside the tubing of a tree stand frame, but they are also smart enough to send a text message to your smartphone if the unit leaves a designated area. The hard part is convincing a GPS company that there is a market for this kind of technology.

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from Dangle wrote 23 weeks 1 hour ago

And that is why there are so many gated communities today...folks with decent sets of values that have made the sacrifices necessary to be successful...that drive to, and from work, and never want to associate with all the A-holes that are out there. And why so many private hunting clubs with well to do people coming together, and leasing large tracts of land, and posting it.

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from wpickett wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I hate a thief myself, but I have a slightly different dilemma. I hunt public land and by law your suppose to take you stand with you every day and not suppose to use screw pegs. This guy set up a lock-on with screw pegs. He has take out the lower ones but he leaves his stand up - two years straight. I only found it as it was a place I thought would be an ideal hunting spot. So basically he has reserve this idea spot over a very steep valley in a popular tree that backs up to a hemlock. I have a self-climber so I can't use the tree. I wonder what is the ethical thing to do about this one.

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from wpickett wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I hate a thief myself, but I have a slightly different dilemma. I hunt public land and by law your suppose to take you stand with you every day and not suppose to use screw pegs. This guy set up a lock-on with screw pegs. He has take out the lower ones but he leaves his stand up - two years straight. I only found it as it was a place I thought would be an ideal hunting spot. So basically he has reserve this idea spot over a very steep valley in a popular tree that backs up to a hemlock. I have a self-climber so I can't use the tree. I wonder what is the ethical thing to do about this one.

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from RiverratMike wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

There are cameras that are designed to be undetectable (hidden) a lot better than a trail camera. But rather than put out the extra bucks I would put one of those steel cases around both the bait and surveillance camera and hide the latter in a hollowed out stump. There was some vandalism out at our (Lewiston, ID) range, which is a remote area and isn't supervised, and we got three good shots of the adults causing the damage but no one could ID them. A spring bear trap is being considered.

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from cmcneal100 wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

I keep trying to respond to this but the website seems to be having problems. Basically what I was trying to alert others to was that these thefts may not be other hunters but people stealing for the purpose of reselling the items on E-Bay or at yard sales.

We've had this problem in Kansas and I sure we're not unique.

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from hermit crab wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Private land is one thing, but if it's not your land and there are others hunting on it, why would you leave something like that out there? Climbers and hang-on stands are so lightweight and easy to attach that there's no reason to be lazy, leave your valuable gear sitting out in woods, and advertise your hunting spot. If you've had a dozen stands stolen over the years, you'd think you'd have learned better?

I HATE when guys leave stands up on public land all season long, or for years at a time. In Ohio, the regs book says you cannot leave a permanent-type tree stand on public land. The state forest I hunt, I know of at least a half dozen ladder stands that have been up for years.

If a stand is sitting out on public land and you're not sitting in it, it is and should be considered abandoned - and the local ODNR officer agreed with me. You put a ladder stand up and leave it there for a month, you deserve to have it stolen.

Would you leave an ATV, or game cart, or your bow, or gun, or binoculars, or backpack out in the woods on public land? Why is a tree stand any different?

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from manitobaguides wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

Let that a-hole hunter take your treestand, and have another one with YOUR NAME and a trap setup on the other side.

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from delweaver wrote 22 weeks 6 days ago

It's really not suprising nowadays certain people which it seems more and more incidents are occuring. Some people don't have moral values they do what they want when they want and my wife thinks I'm crazy because I want to move in the middle of no where away from everyone.

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from troll53 wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Agree...it sucks.

A few years ago I built a wooden stand in a tree on my own property. It is in a semi residential area and throughout the year the neighbors use it like it was a public park. What did "frost" me was going out to my stand on opening day to find that someone had sawed it in half.

Could be the "antis" stole your stuff and not another hunter.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Dave, I'm posting one more time so you keep up with Petzal's comment count on his sight in blog.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Not a problem for me. I leave NOTHING in the field when I go home. I even pick up my shotgun wads if I happen to see them.

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from Dangle wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Didn't know modern shotgun shells use wads anymore. I thought all use the plastic cups.

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from hermit crab wrote 22 weeks 5 days ago

Dangle, careful, you're dating yourself... The plastic cups are called wads.

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from dek0609 wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Ha! Something about being in the woods brings out the gypsy in some people. What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. You can't even grow dope in the woods without being robbed!

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from dek0609 wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Ha! Something about being in the woods brings out the gypsy in some people. What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. You can't even grow dope in the woods without being robbed!

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from Fruch wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Several years ago, my buddy had two tree stands and two sets of climbing steps stolen in one week. The obvious answer to us was that some anti with an agenda carried out the crimes of theft and hunter harassment.

Upon reporting the theft to the local police department, we were informed that it was most likely other bow hunters. We are from Massachusetts where Sunday hunting is still against state law. The police notice a spike every fall on Sundays when the thieves know we won't be on stand. So much for camaraderie.

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from Fruch wrote 22 weeks 4 days ago

Several years ago, my buddy had two tree stands and two sets of climbing steps stolen in one week. The obvious answer to us was that some anti with an agenda carried out the crimes of theft and hunter harassment.

Upon reporting the theft to the local police department, we were informed that it was most likely other bow hunters. We are from Massachusetts where Sunday hunting is still against state law. The police notice a spike every fall on Sundays when the thieves know we won't be on stand. So much for camaraderie.

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from GameTurtle wrote 22 weeks 3 days ago

Ive had 2 tree stands stolen and a camera stolen as well in the past year. What was really bad was finding 2 decking boards with 50 or so screws driven through each of them. I found them with my truck, suckers got both tires on my drivers side. Last week I go to check my new camera and find 2 deer carcasses laying in the ditch right beside my entry gate. (A Nice rotting Hello!!!) What gets me is the need for someone to mess with people for no reason. I hope I catch them in the act and I hope I can control my temper when I do. Everyone has an A-hole, Just some stink worse than others

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from nofish wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

My first ever bow hunt my stand was stolen opening day. I can't remember if I was 12 or 14. My dad split off with me to go to his stand. I kept on walking to my stand only to find it gone. Sat on the ground that day. I still think most hunters are A-holes, unless you somehow become friends. Now when I do hunt I pack in and pack out. That was nearly 20 years ago, still is upsetting.

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from Georgeteyler1408 wrote 15 weeks 1 day ago

I feel your pain. I had two tree stands and two game cameras grow legs this year as well. I guess someone else needed them more than me. But that someone missed the other camera I had set up and caught him walking out with one of my stands. So I went on his property (neighbor) and hung his lock on stand from a tree branch that he is going to have to cut down the tree to get. Sorry to hear about your luck!

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