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Great post, Mr. Draper. Here's to your grandfather and a life well lived.

These people who declaim in the LATimes about red meat are so out of it that its hard to ever get through to them. They cannot imagine anything beyond the industrial ag system (that is admittedly, pretty nasty these days) that they, as non-hunters, non- commodity producers, rely on for their food.

We shoot all our red meat, and about half our birds. Catch almost all of our own fish because we can't afford to buy the frozen weird stuff that reaches the Rockies from the manure-fed fish farms of Thailand or wherever.

Yes, our industrial food systems are out of whack. Buy a nice .308, walk ten miles for an elk, pack it out, and enjoy a big steak in front of the wood stove. I guarantee you'll feel really healthy.

Crap if my grandfather followed these guidelines he might have given Moses a run for the money. All kidding aside gramps ate everything you're not supposed to, and lived to a ripe ol age of 94. He ate plenty of bacon, drank whole milk, ate steak like it was going out of style, cooked his waffles, pancakes, and well, everything in lard instead of cooking oil. In the end he he died from sepsis after he fell on the ice and broke his hip while carrying in an arm full of wood he had just split with an axe.

I think I'll take my chances.

as usual, the harebrains at harvard come up with another cockamamie idea. makes you wonder (again) what our institutions of higher(?) learning are teaching our children. especially the hidebound liberals in the ivy league.

Wow, if he is right, I like died 5 years ago.

I love my beef, chicken wings, occasional ring of baloney and a coors lite or 2. I would bet cash money that crap in oreo cookies, blue bonnet margarine, McWhatever and any industrialized food is far worse for you then lean grilled red meat.

Remember about 10 years ago, you would read a study like this and read in the fine print that the sample size was 15 people. Basically the study was worse then worthless.

But studies like this one are valuable. They get guys like An Pan published and thats the road to tenure.

Ahhhhhhhhh! This idiot and I truly mean idiot probably was telling how good a diet of pesticide ridden corn and soybean is! These numbskulls are the ones that are coming up with BtCorn and BtSoybeans that produce their own pesticides and herbicides, and are nothing similar to REAL corn and soybeans telling us that meat is bad for us? I will leave it to them to eat their chemically ridden produce while I eat meat. At least the deers kidneys and other organs filter out some of the chemicals prior to me eating them. Also our teeth are designed for the consumption of meat and plants so the whole meat argument is for not, well unless all the scientists are wrong on why are teeth are the way they are.

nice try, vegetarians

Baconboy, Most of us on here have and/or receiving an education! I choose design work because I always was into architecture. My job like some others doesn't consist of propoganda, half-truths, and flatout lies. Also beef isn't "horrible" for you. There are these things in life that are called decisions most everyone makes them and it seems more so today than any other time that I'm aware of that people do not have the capability to make their own decisions. When I go to the grocery store and I want to pick out lets say beef since you think it is so "Horrible" for you, I have countless decisions to make on the type of beef I want. Normally I go with ground sirlion which is 90/10 pretty darn lean I think, but if I want to grill a burger I prefer groundchuck which is 80/20 not so great but thats my decision. Now for steaks I love a good ribeye with all the marbling, cut about a 1 1/2" thick to slap on the grill which is pretty fatty but excellent. I also like flat iron steaks marinaded in A1 Steakhouse which is really lean. So once again on any given occassion I need to make a choice whether I want lean or fatty but that is my decision not some pencil-knecked-jerkoff-Vegetarian at Harvard to come up with some worthless study to say red meat is bad for you and contributes to early death! I have a study also that contributes to early death, people like AN PAN peeves me off so bad my blood pressure raises but worse off is when people puke out factless opinions. Thanks

Dcast, you should look yourself in the mirror before you start ripping out other people. You know that Bt stuff you where talking about. It won't hurt you, because it targets the digestive system of insects and if I had to bet I'd say you don't have the digestive of an insect. Also most herbicides kill plants by targeting the production of enzymes involved in photosynthesis which also is not something humans can do, or any animal for that matter. So unless you are a giant bug or plant I wouldn't worry a whole lot about most of that stuff. Finally, what do you think eat. If you live in an Ag state lots of corn or soybeans that will be all deer eat much of the year. Some even live in corn fields. Ask any corn farmer how many crops they loose to deer and they will tell you. " An absolute s**t ton.

Science is dead. The difference between causation and correlation is obviously lost on these study authors.