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The Firing Line

Do guns kill people?

Uploaded on November 20, 2009

Listening to Glenn Beck today and one of the Hosts filli9ng in today said a bumper sticker said; “If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words!”

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from rudyglove27 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Guns don't have minds of their own!!!
Bullets kill people...Have you ever seen a people hole or a gun hole? No, but you have seen bullet holes...
Like I said, Guns don't kill people...
My wife and I have a T-shirts that says “If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words!”.

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from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Are these trademarked or can I make my own?

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Murderous felons kill people. If they do not have access to guns, they use knives or their bare hands, or anything else they can get their dirty paws on. Should i have to register my Kitchen Knives or be fingerprinted when i buy them?

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from Big O wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Let's not forget DRUNK DRIVERS ! As well !

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from TNhunter wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

i agree, ingnorance and criminals kill people not guns! People were killed long before guns where invinted, and criminals will always find a way. They always forget to post the stats on how may lives are saved every year by people carring guns stopping criminals carrying guns, knives, and tasers.

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from brw7979 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

A gun is a tool. Just like a carpenter uses a hammer. If used right, you can do great things with it. But in the wrong hands it can become something that it was not made for. So no guns dont kill people. Its the person pullin the trigger.

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from metsfan6734@yah... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Guns dont kill people, thats what the liberals want everyone to believe, people kill people,

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from jmoss wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I think sometimes lawmakers and leaders get frustrated, because all they can do is legislate, and hope that reduces violent crime. There are already laws putting people in jail for violating them, but they think that legislating against the tools used in crime they can reduce crime.

Except that often times the criminals who possess these weapons are in violation of the law merely by possessing them. Therefore legislation is already irrelevant, almost like making it a crime to evade arrest. If they think they can get away with it, what difference does it make as a deterrent?

The only thing that really deters crime is fear of being caught. This means either you increase police presence by many factors, or you allow citizens to carry weapons, so that they can apprehend criminals giving police time to make the arrest.

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from dobber wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

people kill people guns are just a tool.

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from einvasion wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

People need to be packing. I live in Memphis, TN and even sleeping, I have have my shotgun ready. YouTube has a video that drives the point home on 2nd Amendment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GXYAzh8EQ I think that within a second or less I could pull out the gun and be prepared to protect my home.

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from bighunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

no people kill people

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from codybrotz14 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

if there is anyone who thinks guns kill ppl then you are stupid the only reason that would ever work is if gun had a flaw whick will never happen.

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from theobsession wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i seen at a gun show a bumper sticker that said "if guns kill people, then forks make rosie o'donnel fat

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from metsfan6734@yah... wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

guns are only the tool, someone has to be pulling the trigger!

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from Winchester 92 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

obviously guns kill people, given they are controlled by somebody, but just cause you play with the words doesn't change the fact that if you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger they die

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from jmoss wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

I think you're hitting the nail on the head Winchester 92. It's semantics. Of course guns kill people, but that doesn't mean that by restricting guns that people will stop being killed. What's ridiculous is when people hold an inanimate object responsible for the deaths of so many people, not realizing that people have killed other people since the very beginning, and guns have only been around for about the last 400 years. The difference between then and now is that back in the sword and shield days, a woman or elderly would be vulnerable. The gun is the great equalizer.

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from mideastkevlar wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

Guns don't kill people unless you beat someone with the gun, and then it is still the person controlling the actions of the gun whom is guilty of killing. If guns kill people, we have sent many an innocent person to prison. We should be prosecuting the guns and putting the guns in prison instead of the individual controlling the gun. Or maybe, just maybe, since guns don't kill people and it is actually the bullet that makes the hole that kills the person, we should prosecute the bullet and put the bullet in prison. We could always go after the lead industry and put them in prison for allowing the bullet to obtain the lead which caused the lead poisoning of all those whom have been killed by lead tainted bullets. While we are at it, we should also outlaw cars, bows and arrows, alcohol, all drugs, planes, trains, knives, rope, pellet guns, water, swords, electricity, and anything else that has ever killed a person.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

It would be better to pass a law against heart attacks. That kills millions every year.

If it were only that easy. The thought that murder can be prevented by outlawing guns is ridiculous. There was murder for quite a few thousand years before guns, so for the mentally unbalanced, there will be a way.

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from mosinman123 wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

guns dont kill people I kill people. LOL.
no they dont.

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from mosinman123 wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

guns dont kill people I kill people. LOL.
no they dont.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

In Great Brittian where guns have been illegal for decades there are more homicides per capita than in the USA where citizens are armed. The britts seem to make do with golf clubs and cricket bats just fine. I bet they wouldn't if the other guy was armed. After Australia banned private ownership of firearms the police had to develop a new crime statistic because before then there had never been a home invasion. In a couple of urban centers violent crime went up 200%. Guess the crooks didn't get the memo that guns were now illegal. An armed society is a polite society

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don' t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the peoples' right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

IF YOU AGREE, PASS THIS "REFRESHER" ON TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

If guns kill people- Then ALL of my guns are defective.

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

Nope.. it takes a person to load, cock, flip off the safety if applicable or aim or not in some cases, drop itself, pull or jerk the trigger.
Guns can't do any of that.

Just like knives can't throw themselves across a room.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

What gun did Cain use to kill Abel?

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I remember reading a number of posts where the persons were worried about HSUS and Peta being an enemy of our gun rights. I felt compelled to share the following with ALL of you as I have alot of literature on the anti-gun movement. Believe me, the HSUS and Peta palls in comparison.

We are in trouble with our second amendment. There is over 320 million citizens of our country but only 70 million are gun owners. Of those non gun owners, some aren't against our rights to own guns but I believe that we are out numbered and add to that, the worldwide movement is against us. We have many anti-gun politicans that are against our rights to own guns, starting with the President, his administration, the vise president, Pelosi, Eric Holder, Schumer, Clinton, (Both of them) and many more.

Please copy the list below as that is why I posted it. Do research on the subject, use www.cuil.com to research as they don't keep track of what anyone does for searches. Buy books on the subject. Another author to look for his books is John Lott. Two of his books are "The Bias against Guns" and "More Guns Less Crime."

The following are excerpts from a book of mine. "The Global War On Your Guns" by Wayne Lapierre

NSO's- (non governmental organizations.)

OTHER INTERNATIONAL ANTIGUN GROUPS:
WHO AND WHAT GUN OWNERS FACE
While IANSA works with American gun-ban groups, most of the active international antigun NGO's are not from the U.S. and,with the possible exception of Amnesty International, are not well known in this country. THEY MAKE UP A FRIGHTENING NETWORK OF ACTIVISTS:

IANSA- (International action Network on Small Arms) Billionaire George Soros's protégé, Rebecca Peters, runs the IANSA which coordinates the gun prohibition efforts of groups around the world, including the Brady Campaign in America. IANSA claims at least 500 accomplices worldwide and is fund with countless millions from governments (including ours), international foundations, and billionaires like Soros. In spreading its dangerous doctrine of civil disarmament, IANSA receives the patronage of the same governments that push gun prohibition at the U.N. In effect, IANSA is the cutting-edge public relations arm of the U.N.'s gun prohibition campaign. Rebecca Peters was very forthright in saying that the gun prohibition movement was aimed squarely at Americans: "Americans are people like everyone else."

SAS - (Small Arms Survey) One of the most unique and dangerous antigun organizations in the world. Switzerland

CHD- (Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue) Switzerland. Funded by foundation money and grants from the governments of Australia, Canada, Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the U.K. and the U.S. The CHD has made opposition to civilian possession of firearms its own particular cause.

Amnesty International

BASIC- (British American Security Information Council): Its main focus is on nuclear issues,but it has been active on the "small arms issue" for ten years.

Bonn International Center for Conversation- A German disarmament thin tank.

GRIP - Brussels: One of the most active international antigun NGOs, it has produced numerous reports on firearms marking, tracing, and brokering.

ISS- (Institute for Security Studies): a South African think tank.

OXFAM- a U.K. based peace and disarmament NGO.

Ploughshares- a major Canadian "peace" NGO, extremely active in the small arms issue from the very start.

Saferworld- major U.K. peace organization.

SIPRI- (Stockholm International Peace research Institute), Sweden: also active in the small arms issue for almost ten years.

The following individuals are leaders of the international gun-ban movement:

Philip Alpers, New Zealand; Former television producer, now a "gun control" researcher.

Ilhan Berkol, Belgium: GRIP

Loretta Bondi, U.S.: John Hopkins University

Cate Buchanan, Switzerland: Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue

Wendy Cukier, Canada: Ryerson University

Owen Greene, U.K.: Bradford University

Adele Kirsten, South Africa: Gun Free South Africa

Edward Laurence, U.S.: Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Lora Lumpe, Norway: Norwegian Initiative on Small Arms Transfers

Sarah meek, South Africa: Institute for Security Studies.

Rebecca Peters, Australia: IANSA

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from tbogg10 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

guns cant kill people, people kill people, guns are a-moral

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I have been watching my guns for over 50 years and they still haven't killed anybody. Are they defective?

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Yes DakotaMan, yours are as defective as mine. By the way, I live in Minnesota. Where do you live.

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from beaverlog wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

Jmoss writes that the only thing that deters crime is the fear of being caught.What about the fear of being shot?When Hammond ,Ind. passed a law allowing citizens to carry guns,crime rates dropped.Handguns are the"great equalizer",and more law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry them.

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from kent wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Guns dont kill the person pulling the trigger kills.

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from DakotaMan wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Wyatt Earp,
Good posts... I live in Atlanta and grew up in south eastern South Dakota. I used to fish in Minnesota and my college room mate was from the twin cities. Nice country and great people.

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from keen one wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Great posts all. We understand that it's actually the bullet that is capable of killing.

Is that why ammunition prices have escalated lately?

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from JohnR wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Do guns kill people? Yes! Do they kill people in and of their own volition? No! It takes a warm body to pull the trigger, activate the switch, firing mechanism and what have you.
There, no semantics.
People did a pretty good job of killing each other long before firearms were invented. If firearms are removed, killing will continue with the aid of some other mechanism, be it poison, explosives, fire and etc. I chose the preceding methods for their ability to cause maximum death and injury in a short span of time, an ability that the anti-gunners generally ascribe to firearms.
If one thinks that removing firearms from people will make the world a safer, happier place, then I own some choice swamp land to sell you.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Absolutely right JohnR. Guns bring lethality with ease, or as you said, "maximum death and injury in a short span of time". Without firearms there would be more failed attempts.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

Guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

It takes a person to load the bullets and pull the trigger.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

I once had a person asked why I conceal carry my pistol, and why I always feel the need to have it on me with an extra magazine. They said it was like I wanted to kill someone.

I asked them if they have smoke detectors or a fire extinguisher in their home. They said yes, to which I stated, then you must really want a fire to burn down your house.

Same idea. I carry a gun to insure my safety and the safety of others, not because IT kills, but it has the power to stop an imminent threat.

Guns don't kill people. Well placed rounds by a skilled and practiced citizen kill people.

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from antlerjockey wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

yeah... ummm.. check out this crazy dude's site: deerfear.com

I'm serious about telling everybody about it, he just started it a month or two ago and it's awesome.

Trust that this issue is more than covered.

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from AJMcClure wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

hell yeah guns kill people, but I don't have people hunting guns I am one, or two guns away from having the minimum 7 it takes to complete a sportsman's collection-the plinker, the muzzleloader, the shotgun you hunt hard with, the shotgun you used to hunt hard with, and the rifle you hunt deer hard with. Now I need the shotgun that you look gun shooting skeet with, and keep promising yourself you will hunt hard with, and the bigger rifle you hunt deer, and may someday hunt something bigger with. These are the minimums, and if I need some away from the home protection I would own a pocket 25, or 32, because the few times I find myself in rough dark alleys, or parking lots the 32 in your actual side pocket is better than the 45 in your slick back holster.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

One of the ones I like both,

Guns kill people just like forks made Rosie O'Donell fat.
- WA Mtnhunter

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from MPN wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Actually little debbie snack cakes made Rosie fat!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

MPN, I can just picture her gorging herself! LOL!

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from Uncle Ted wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Guns protect people from crazies and criminals

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

They sure do, in fact I'm here at work were I always carry concealed and everyone welcomes it including the Bank Manager were I bank and other fine establishments!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

You got me started again!

“At first glance, it may seem odd or even perverse to suggest that statutory controls on the private ownership of firearms are irrelevant to the problem of armed crime: yet that is precisely what the evidence shows. Armed crime and violent crime generally are products of ethnic and social factors unrelated to the availability of a particular type of weapon. The number of firearms required to satisfy the crime market is minute, and these are supplied no matter what controls are instituted. Controls have had serious effect on legitimate users of firearms, but there is no case, either in the history of this country (Britain) or in the experience of other countries in which controls can be shown to have restricted the flow of weapons to criminals, or in any way reduce crime.”
-Chief Inspector Colins Greenwood, West Yorkshire Constabulary, Police Review, Britain after six months of study of firearms control systems at Cambridge University

“Crooks are going to get guns regardless of what regulations we have.”
-Kurt Schmoke, Mayor of Baltimore, 1999-Mar-13

“This proposal will never prevent criminals from possessing firearms and we never said it would.”
-Daryl Smeaton, Attorney General's department, Director of Law Enforcement Co-ordination, on the new Australian gun bans, in The Weekend Australian, 20-21 September 1997, page 6

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from MPN wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

I forget what magazine it is, I get so many, but one of them always has a full page or two just on citizens who have protected themselves with guns from dangerous criminals. It's called the armed citizen I believe. And one or two pages is just a small fraction of the stories that could be covered about people protecting themselves, heck a whole magazine could be made off those stories alone.

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

An inanimate object does not kill. Action is required by an operator. Plain enough...

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from libertyfirst wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

To personify a firearm is absolutely absurd. A rifle is no more than a hammer driving a nail. It is a tool to accomplish an end. Basic tools do not have ability to see and react, that requires a human being.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Guns don't have minds of their own!!!
Bullets kill people...Have you ever seen a people hole or a gun hole? No, but you have seen bullet holes...
Like I said, Guns don't kill people...
My wife and I have a T-shirts that says “If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words!”.

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from theobsession wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i seen at a gun show a bumper sticker that said "if guns kill people, then forks make rosie o'donnel fat

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don' t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the peoples' right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

IF YOU AGREE, PASS THIS "REFRESHER" ON TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Murderous felons kill people. If they do not have access to guns, they use knives or their bare hands, or anything else they can get their dirty paws on. Should i have to register my Kitchen Knives or be fingerprinted when i buy them?

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from Big O wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Let's not forget DRUNK DRIVERS ! As well !

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from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Are these trademarked or can I make my own?

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from TNhunter wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

i agree, ingnorance and criminals kill people not guns! People were killed long before guns where invinted, and criminals will always find a way. They always forget to post the stats on how may lives are saved every year by people carring guns stopping criminals carrying guns, knives, and tasers.

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from brw7979 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

A gun is a tool. Just like a carpenter uses a hammer. If used right, you can do great things with it. But in the wrong hands it can become something that it was not made for. So no guns dont kill people. Its the person pullin the trigger.

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from metsfan6734@yah... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Guns dont kill people, thats what the liberals want everyone to believe, people kill people,

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from jmoss wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I think sometimes lawmakers and leaders get frustrated, because all they can do is legislate, and hope that reduces violent crime. There are already laws putting people in jail for violating them, but they think that legislating against the tools used in crime they can reduce crime.

Except that often times the criminals who possess these weapons are in violation of the law merely by possessing them. Therefore legislation is already irrelevant, almost like making it a crime to evade arrest. If they think they can get away with it, what difference does it make as a deterrent?

The only thing that really deters crime is fear of being caught. This means either you increase police presence by many factors, or you allow citizens to carry weapons, so that they can apprehend criminals giving police time to make the arrest.

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from dobber wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

people kill people guns are just a tool.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

It would be better to pass a law against heart attacks. That kills millions every year.

If it were only that easy. The thought that murder can be prevented by outlawing guns is ridiculous. There was murder for quite a few thousand years before guns, so for the mentally unbalanced, there will be a way.

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from bighunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

no people kill people

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from metsfan6734@yah... wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

guns are only the tool, someone has to be pulling the trigger!

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from jmoss wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

I think you're hitting the nail on the head Winchester 92. It's semantics. Of course guns kill people, but that doesn't mean that by restricting guns that people will stop being killed. What's ridiculous is when people hold an inanimate object responsible for the deaths of so many people, not realizing that people have killed other people since the very beginning, and guns have only been around for about the last 400 years. The difference between then and now is that back in the sword and shield days, a woman or elderly would be vulnerable. The gun is the great equalizer.

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from mideastkevlar wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

Guns don't kill people unless you beat someone with the gun, and then it is still the person controlling the actions of the gun whom is guilty of killing. If guns kill people, we have sent many an innocent person to prison. We should be prosecuting the guns and putting the guns in prison instead of the individual controlling the gun. Or maybe, just maybe, since guns don't kill people and it is actually the bullet that makes the hole that kills the person, we should prosecute the bullet and put the bullet in prison. We could always go after the lead industry and put them in prison for allowing the bullet to obtain the lead which caused the lead poisoning of all those whom have been killed by lead tainted bullets. While we are at it, we should also outlaw cars, bows and arrows, alcohol, all drugs, planes, trains, knives, rope, pellet guns, water, swords, electricity, and anything else that has ever killed a person.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

In Great Brittian where guns have been illegal for decades there are more homicides per capita than in the USA where citizens are armed. The britts seem to make do with golf clubs and cricket bats just fine. I bet they wouldn't if the other guy was armed. After Australia banned private ownership of firearms the police had to develop a new crime statistic because before then there had never been a home invasion. In a couple of urban centers violent crime went up 200%. Guess the crooks didn't get the memo that guns were now illegal. An armed society is a polite society

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I remember reading a number of posts where the persons were worried about HSUS and Peta being an enemy of our gun rights. I felt compelled to share the following with ALL of you as I have alot of literature on the anti-gun movement. Believe me, the HSUS and Peta palls in comparison.

We are in trouble with our second amendment. There is over 320 million citizens of our country but only 70 million are gun owners. Of those non gun owners, some aren't against our rights to own guns but I believe that we are out numbered and add to that, the worldwide movement is against us. We have many anti-gun politicans that are against our rights to own guns, starting with the President, his administration, the vise president, Pelosi, Eric Holder, Schumer, Clinton, (Both of them) and many more.

Please copy the list below as that is why I posted it. Do research on the subject, use www.cuil.com to research as they don't keep track of what anyone does for searches. Buy books on the subject. Another author to look for his books is John Lott. Two of his books are "The Bias against Guns" and "More Guns Less Crime."

The following are excerpts from a book of mine. "The Global War On Your Guns" by Wayne Lapierre

NSO's- (non governmental organizations.)

OTHER INTERNATIONAL ANTIGUN GROUPS:
WHO AND WHAT GUN OWNERS FACE
While IANSA works with American gun-ban groups, most of the active international antigun NGO's are not from the U.S. and,with the possible exception of Amnesty International, are not well known in this country. THEY MAKE UP A FRIGHTENING NETWORK OF ACTIVISTS:

IANSA- (International action Network on Small Arms) Billionaire George Soros's protégé, Rebecca Peters, runs the IANSA which coordinates the gun prohibition efforts of groups around the world, including the Brady Campaign in America. IANSA claims at least 500 accomplices worldwide and is fund with countless millions from governments (including ours), international foundations, and billionaires like Soros. In spreading its dangerous doctrine of civil disarmament, IANSA receives the patronage of the same governments that push gun prohibition at the U.N. In effect, IANSA is the cutting-edge public relations arm of the U.N.'s gun prohibition campaign. Rebecca Peters was very forthright in saying that the gun prohibition movement was aimed squarely at Americans: "Americans are people like everyone else."

SAS - (Small Arms Survey) One of the most unique and dangerous antigun organizations in the world. Switzerland

CHD- (Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue) Switzerland. Funded by foundation money and grants from the governments of Australia, Canada, Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the U.K. and the U.S. The CHD has made opposition to civilian possession of firearms its own particular cause.

Amnesty International

BASIC- (British American Security Information Council): Its main focus is on nuclear issues,but it has been active on the "small arms issue" for ten years.

Bonn International Center for Conversation- A German disarmament thin tank.

GRIP - Brussels: One of the most active international antigun NGOs, it has produced numerous reports on firearms marking, tracing, and brokering.

ISS- (Institute for Security Studies): a South African think tank.

OXFAM- a U.K. based peace and disarmament NGO.

Ploughshares- a major Canadian "peace" NGO, extremely active in the small arms issue from the very start.

Saferworld- major U.K. peace organization.

SIPRI- (Stockholm International Peace research Institute), Sweden: also active in the small arms issue for almost ten years.

The following individuals are leaders of the international gun-ban movement:

Philip Alpers, New Zealand; Former television producer, now a "gun control" researcher.

Ilhan Berkol, Belgium: GRIP

Loretta Bondi, U.S.: John Hopkins University

Cate Buchanan, Switzerland: Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue

Wendy Cukier, Canada: Ryerson University

Owen Greene, U.K.: Bradford University

Adele Kirsten, South Africa: Gun Free South Africa

Edward Laurence, U.S.: Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Lora Lumpe, Norway: Norwegian Initiative on Small Arms Transfers

Sarah meek, South Africa: Institute for Security Studies.

Rebecca Peters, Australia: IANSA

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from Uncle Ted wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Guns protect people from crazies and criminals

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from einvasion wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

People need to be packing. I live in Memphis, TN and even sleeping, I have have my shotgun ready. YouTube has a video that drives the point home on 2nd Amendment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GXYAzh8EQ I think that within a second or less I could pull out the gun and be prepared to protect my home.

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from codybrotz14 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

if there is anyone who thinks guns kill ppl then you are stupid the only reason that would ever work is if gun had a flaw whick will never happen.

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

If guns kill people- Then ALL of my guns are defective.

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

Nope.. it takes a person to load, cock, flip off the safety if applicable or aim or not in some cases, drop itself, pull or jerk the trigger.
Guns can't do any of that.

Just like knives can't throw themselves across a room.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

What gun did Cain use to kill Abel?

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from tbogg10 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

guns cant kill people, people kill people, guns are a-moral

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I have been watching my guns for over 50 years and they still haven't killed anybody. Are they defective?

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from Wyatt Earp wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Yes DakotaMan, yours are as defective as mine. By the way, I live in Minnesota. Where do you live.

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from JohnR wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Do guns kill people? Yes! Do they kill people in and of their own volition? No! It takes a warm body to pull the trigger, activate the switch, firing mechanism and what have you.
There, no semantics.
People did a pretty good job of killing each other long before firearms were invented. If firearms are removed, killing will continue with the aid of some other mechanism, be it poison, explosives, fire and etc. I chose the preceding methods for their ability to cause maximum death and injury in a short span of time, an ability that the anti-gunners generally ascribe to firearms.
If one thinks that removing firearms from people will make the world a safer, happier place, then I own some choice swamp land to sell you.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Absolutely right JohnR. Guns bring lethality with ease, or as you said, "maximum death and injury in a short span of time". Without firearms there would be more failed attempts.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

Guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill

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from MPN wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Actually little debbie snack cakes made Rosie fat!

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from MPN wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

I forget what magazine it is, I get so many, but one of them always has a full page or two just on citizens who have protected themselves with guns from dangerous criminals. It's called the armed citizen I believe. And one or two pages is just a small fraction of the stories that could be covered about people protecting themselves, heck a whole magazine could be made off those stories alone.

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from Winchester 92 wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

obviously guns kill people, given they are controlled by somebody, but just cause you play with the words doesn't change the fact that if you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger they die

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from beaverlog wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

Jmoss writes that the only thing that deters crime is the fear of being caught.What about the fear of being shot?When Hammond ,Ind. passed a law allowing citizens to carry guns,crime rates dropped.Handguns are the"great equalizer",and more law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry them.

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from kent wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Guns dont kill the person pulling the trigger kills.

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from DakotaMan wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Wyatt Earp,
Good posts... I live in Atlanta and grew up in south eastern South Dakota. I used to fish in Minnesota and my college room mate was from the twin cities. Nice country and great people.

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from keen one wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Great posts all. We understand that it's actually the bullet that is capable of killing.

Is that why ammunition prices have escalated lately?

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

It takes a person to load the bullets and pull the trigger.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

I once had a person asked why I conceal carry my pistol, and why I always feel the need to have it on me with an extra magazine. They said it was like I wanted to kill someone.

I asked them if they have smoke detectors or a fire extinguisher in their home. They said yes, to which I stated, then you must really want a fire to burn down your house.

Same idea. I carry a gun to insure my safety and the safety of others, not because IT kills, but it has the power to stop an imminent threat.

Guns don't kill people. Well placed rounds by a skilled and practiced citizen kill people.

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from antlerjockey wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

yeah... ummm.. check out this crazy dude's site: deerfear.com

I'm serious about telling everybody about it, he just started it a month or two ago and it's awesome.

Trust that this issue is more than covered.

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from AJMcClure wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

hell yeah guns kill people, but I don't have people hunting guns I am one, or two guns away from having the minimum 7 it takes to complete a sportsman's collection-the plinker, the muzzleloader, the shotgun you hunt hard with, the shotgun you used to hunt hard with, and the rifle you hunt deer hard with. Now I need the shotgun that you look gun shooting skeet with, and keep promising yourself you will hunt hard with, and the bigger rifle you hunt deer, and may someday hunt something bigger with. These are the minimums, and if I need some away from the home protection I would own a pocket 25, or 32, because the few times I find myself in rough dark alleys, or parking lots the 32 in your actual side pocket is better than the 45 in your slick back holster.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

One of the ones I like both,

Guns kill people just like forks made Rosie O'Donell fat.
- WA Mtnhunter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

MPN, I can just picture her gorging herself! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

They sure do, in fact I'm here at work were I always carry concealed and everyone welcomes it including the Bank Manager were I bank and other fine establishments!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

You got me started again!

“At first glance, it may seem odd or even perverse to suggest that statutory controls on the private ownership of firearms are irrelevant to the problem of armed crime: yet that is precisely what the evidence shows. Armed crime and violent crime generally are products of ethnic and social factors unrelated to the availability of a particular type of weapon. The number of firearms required to satisfy the crime market is minute, and these are supplied no matter what controls are instituted. Controls have had serious effect on legitimate users of firearms, but there is no case, either in the history of this country (Britain) or in the experience of other countries in which controls can be shown to have restricted the flow of weapons to criminals, or in any way reduce crime.”
-Chief Inspector Colins Greenwood, West Yorkshire Constabulary, Police Review, Britain after six months of study of firearms control systems at Cambridge University

“Crooks are going to get guns regardless of what regulations we have.”
-Kurt Schmoke, Mayor of Baltimore, 1999-Mar-13

“This proposal will never prevent criminals from possessing firearms and we never said it would.”
-Daryl Smeaton, Attorney General's department, Director of Law Enforcement Co-ordination, on the new Australian gun bans, in The Weekend Australian, 20-21 September 1997, page 6

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from Beekeeper wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

An inanimate object does not kill. Action is required by an operator. Plain enough...

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from libertyfirst wrote 1 year 32 weeks ago

To personify a firearm is absolutely absurd. A rifle is no more than a hammer driving a nail. It is a tool to accomplish an end. Basic tools do not have ability to see and react, that requires a human being.

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from mosinman123 wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

guns dont kill people I kill people. LOL.
no they dont.

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from mosinman123 wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

guns dont kill people I kill people. LOL.
no they dont.

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