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What would you use for a self defense pistol.
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i would pick any of the glock pistols, they're by far the most reliable handguns made. Glock 26 is a very small and compact. if you were concerned about keeping it concealed, i would go with a compact or subcompact model. but yeah, glock pistols are virtually indestructible. VERY reliable.
The choice of manufacturer is a personel one. As far as caliber goes I would choose a compact or subcompact .45 ACP. Plenty of stopping power for self defense.
I normally rely on a Kimber Custom II .45ACP.
I'm thinking of the "FN Five-Seven USG" 5.7x28mm!
If you are going for concealed carry, get a pistol that is small enough that you WILL carry it around and have it when you need it. A big, sophisticated tactical pistol or service sidearm that becomes too bulky or heavy to be convenient will be left behind and won't serve the need. I like the Kahr PM9, which is very small and carries well in a belly band, ankle holster, or pocket holster, and gives you 6+1 shots and a fast reload of 9mm. I also like the S&W model 442 J-frame .38 Special, which works about as well and packs into a waistband even better.
Mr Coope, please check a lot of online reports. I think Sig makes some of the best guns there are and the five-seven is a heck of a round, but seriously? a self defense weapon? The Handgun has several examples of firing out of battery on more than one blog and from different people. I think the P90 maybwe, but not the pistol. Why don't go with the reliable .45 ACP? Unless it as a .4 leading the way other than .357 anything smaller is a back up gun.
tokengimp..oh no you just did not..
All great answers... but if it was for home defense I would prefer something big and scary like a 44mag Red-Hawk or Smith revolver. And in very close quarters or I believe that American derringers in 45- .410, or other such combinations have a place.
When I can hide it with clothes: a Glock 23 in .40 S&W or a S&W 686 in .357. Usually I carry a S&W J-Frame in .38 Spl, because it does hide well in my clothing. I do carry btw, with a TN HCP.
Seeing how it is home defense, I am opting to grab the shotgun first, but I may as well grab the Ruger P89 just to stack the odds in my favor.
Clay,
You posted, "I'm thinking of the "FN Five-Seven USG" 5.7x28mm!"
Are you serious?
WMH
Is it for home or carry defense? For obvious reasons, a carry piece would be concealable and comfortable to carry. These type of guns at chambered in a number of calibers, but I would make the .380auto the MINIMUM carry caliber.As for home defense, I would prefer to grab a shotgun to take care business, but have a 4" revolver(GP-100)with +P.38 hollow points.
Always wanted an HK Mk.23. Anything they make would serve you well. Of course I also want a 1911, preferable an A1, not so into the double stack. I think 8 or so rounds of .45 ACP should be enough.
I probably would go with a beretta px4 in 9mm for concealed carry (illinois resident -- cannot carry) 9mm feeds more reliably than say a .45 due to the increased shell taper. 9mm has just as much *stopping power* as a .40 or .45. This is not my opinion but based on several military reports. Most 9mm semi-autos are double stacked so you can load more shells and 9mm can be had alot cheaper than the .40 or .45.
For at home I have a beretta 90-two.
As far as the FN five-seven; This is suppose to be the handgun of choice by the drug cartels in mexico. Clay may have been joking....maybe not. I think the warloads of Mexico know what works when it comes to assassination.
Try several different handguns in all the popular calibers. Choose the one that you can shoot the best taking into account fit, pointability (is that a word?), and recoil. The .380 auto is making a small comeback since Remington produced the 102 grain Golden Saber and Buffalo Bore Bullets with its 100 grain lead bullet. Recoil is stiff for a .380, but much less than larger calibers. A dude on the Ruger forums did some exhaustive penetration tests with the .380 and most of the currently available popular ammo and the results with the two above bullets were impressive. Not trying to sell the .380, just mentioning that with the newer ammo, it can be a serious self defense weapon. Again, if you are able try as many as you can and go with what you shoot the best.
My ruger GP100 stainless with a 4 lnch barrel, Hogue stock, and a trigger job works for me. Any factory 125 grain HP is the ammo of choice. Don't use handloads for personal defense, some poor lawyer will get you using handloaded ammo on his poor criminal. This gun is an old friend and now that I have a conceal carry permit, goes with me most of the time. Remember if you use a handgun for personal defense, use your gun range a lot. My old Fox double barrel with 20 inch barrels and #5 shot make my home defense set up perfect for me.
definatly a colt anaconda (.357 mag) in revolver form
Kimber Cust. II ,.45apc Till they make something bigger for C.C
I go with either a Kel-Tec P-11 9mm, a Charter Arms Bulldog Pug in .44 Special, or if concealment of these is an issue, a Taurus PT-22 in .22 LR, all are light and compact, chambered to good defensive calibers and are easily concealed. Don't ignore the .22 LR. A good friend of mine in career law enforcement told me that "he'd rather be shot with anything than a .22 as the larger calibers blow on thru but the .22 bounces around inside, does lots of damage, and you never know where it will end up". This is one of those things that you hope you carry a million miles but never need.
I'm a slim guy. With a 28-inch waist, there ain't much room to hide things. I have a friend who's big enough to hide a .45 under each armpit, but I use either a stainless .38 5-shot, or a Walther PP/K.
I've carried the same gun for 35 years, a Colt 38 Detective
special. I know that they have fallen out of favor, but it still gives me great comfort. Twice in my life I've had to pull this little revolver out of it's Bianchi holster and both times the issue was settled very quietly and quickly without firing a shot. It will go into my grave with me, you never know what I'll run into!
i have four guns that could fit this niche
remington 870
S&W model 610 6 1/2 inch barrel
glock 29 10 mm
ruger sp 101 327 fed
the Glock is with me the most the shotgun is the house gun
My Glock 22 .40 and whichever 12 ga. shotgun comes to hand first are my home defense weapons, but I'm with libertyfirst in carrying an old .38. Mine is a Colt Cobra and, thankfully, I've never yet had to pull it on a human, but it's lightweight and I'm used to it (and can hit with it).
I use a S&W Sigma in .40 s&w. It i snot my first choise but it was what I could afford at the time. The trigger is pretty awful, but it is reliable and I am comfortable shooting it. I have never had a miss fire with it yet.
i carry a kahr cw9, s&w j frame 38+p 5shot wheel gun,and a kal-tec 9mm as a back up to one of the two listed i am carrying.i have other pistols from model 28,357mag to 45cal colt 1911,but to heavy to carry all day and conceal.
correction to above,the kaltec is a 380.
For a personal defence pistol, I'd have to go with the judge. Its great for close up with the .410 and the .45 will do the further shots that may come up.
The smallest cartridge I would comfortably recommend is the .380 ACP. The smallest revolver cartridge would be the .32 H&R Magnum. What do I personally use? A Kimber .45 ACP and a S&W Model 10HB .38 Special revolver.
I use a S&W 4566 TSW that I carried on duty. When I retired they gave me the pistol. The .45 is a great stopper.
2"- 3" snub nose revolver - .38 special "FBI" load of 158 gr. LSWCHP at +P pressure (Buffalo Bore makes a great one).
how nice are you because theirs always the .500 s&w. just kidding get a 1911 in .45
Your favorite shooter is often not your favorite to carry. When trouble comes your way a belly pusher in your pocket is worth two big bore tack drivers back in the truck. I carried my S&W 6906 for ten years but 13 rounds of 147 grain gets pretty heavy after about 10 hours. Now that one lives in the truck and my usual around town carry gun is my Colt Cobra with silver tips. When I hit the woods I drop a couple of notches on the food chain so then I upgrade to my Ruger .44 mag.
Glock 23 in .40 cal with a LaserMax system.
Iwould personaly take a 45 auto over anything cause it has enough knockdown power for anyone. On the other hand if you took anyother hand gun for personal defense i would do the hydra-shock ammo if it is legal to purchase in your state.
Well boys, looks like some anti-handgun, anti-carry kook slimed us all with negatives. Maybe they missed that part of the 2nd Amendment about .... and BEAR Arms shall not be infringed.
.44 magnum anybody that has the balls to stare down the barrel of that aint human but i carry a .380 and it gets the job done
If you haven't tried the Fobus paddle holster you need to, it is very comfortable.
9mm 124gr Speer GDHP@ 1120 fps
40s&w 155gr Speer GDHP @ 1150 fps
45acp 230gr Speer GDHP @870 fps
38spl+P 125gr Speer GDHP @850 fps
All of these loads provide excellent expansion and penetration. For me, the Speer Gold Dot has been the most consistant performer. The Hornady XTP is also an excellent choice, penetrates a little deeper than the GDHP. Find a pistol that will launch these bullets at or close to these velocities and you will have a reliable fight stopper. As cheap as Chronographs are today there is no excuse for not owning one.
Springfield XD 40 (40 cal)
1911A1 .45
Ruger Balckhawk 357 or 45
Ruger Vaquero 45
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I've carried the same gun for 35 years, a Colt 38 Detective
special. I know that they have fallen out of favor, but it still gives me great comfort. Twice in my life I've had to pull this little revolver out of it's Bianchi holster and both times the issue was settled very quietly and quickly without firing a shot. It will go into my grave with me, you never know what I'll run into!
If you are going for concealed carry, get a pistol that is small enough that you WILL carry it around and have it when you need it. A big, sophisticated tactical pistol or service sidearm that becomes too bulky or heavy to be convenient will be left behind and won't serve the need. I like the Kahr PM9, which is very small and carries well in a belly band, ankle holster, or pocket holster, and gives you 6+1 shots and a fast reload of 9mm. I also like the S&W model 442 J-frame .38 Special, which works about as well and packs into a waistband even better.
Seeing how it is home defense, I am opting to grab the shotgun first, but I may as well grab the Ruger P89 just to stack the odds in my favor.
I probably would go with a beretta px4 in 9mm for concealed carry (illinois resident -- cannot carry) 9mm feeds more reliably than say a .45 due to the increased shell taper. 9mm has just as much *stopping power* as a .40 or .45. This is not my opinion but based on several military reports. Most 9mm semi-autos are double stacked so you can load more shells and 9mm can be had alot cheaper than the .40 or .45.
For at home I have a beretta 90-two.
i would pick any of the glock pistols, they're by far the most reliable handguns made. Glock 26 is a very small and compact. if you were concerned about keeping it concealed, i would go with a compact or subcompact model. but yeah, glock pistols are virtually indestructible. VERY reliable.
The choice of manufacturer is a personel one. As far as caliber goes I would choose a compact or subcompact .45 ACP. Plenty of stopping power for self defense.
I normally rely on a Kimber Custom II .45ACP.
Mr Coope, please check a lot of online reports. I think Sig makes some of the best guns there are and the five-seven is a heck of a round, but seriously? a self defense weapon? The Handgun has several examples of firing out of battery on more than one blog and from different people. I think the P90 maybwe, but not the pistol. Why don't go with the reliable .45 ACP? Unless it as a .4 leading the way other than .357 anything smaller is a back up gun.
tokengimp..oh no you just did not..
All great answers... but if it was for home defense I would prefer something big and scary like a 44mag Red-Hawk or Smith revolver. And in very close quarters or I believe that American derringers in 45- .410, or other such combinations have a place.
When I can hide it with clothes: a Glock 23 in .40 S&W or a S&W 686 in .357. Usually I carry a S&W J-Frame in .38 Spl, because it does hide well in my clothing. I do carry btw, with a TN HCP.
Clay,
You posted, "I'm thinking of the "FN Five-Seven USG" 5.7x28mm!"
Are you serious?
WMH
Is it for home or carry defense? For obvious reasons, a carry piece would be concealable and comfortable to carry. These type of guns at chambered in a number of calibers, but I would make the .380auto the MINIMUM carry caliber.As for home defense, I would prefer to grab a shotgun to take care business, but have a 4" revolver(GP-100)with +P.38 hollow points.
Always wanted an HK Mk.23. Anything they make would serve you well. Of course I also want a 1911, preferable an A1, not so into the double stack. I think 8 or so rounds of .45 ACP should be enough.
As far as the FN five-seven; This is suppose to be the handgun of choice by the drug cartels in mexico. Clay may have been joking....maybe not. I think the warloads of Mexico know what works when it comes to assassination.
Try several different handguns in all the popular calibers. Choose the one that you can shoot the best taking into account fit, pointability (is that a word?), and recoil. The .380 auto is making a small comeback since Remington produced the 102 grain Golden Saber and Buffalo Bore Bullets with its 100 grain lead bullet. Recoil is stiff for a .380, but much less than larger calibers. A dude on the Ruger forums did some exhaustive penetration tests with the .380 and most of the currently available popular ammo and the results with the two above bullets were impressive. Not trying to sell the .380, just mentioning that with the newer ammo, it can be a serious self defense weapon. Again, if you are able try as many as you can and go with what you shoot the best.
My ruger GP100 stainless with a 4 lnch barrel, Hogue stock, and a trigger job works for me. Any factory 125 grain HP is the ammo of choice. Don't use handloads for personal defense, some poor lawyer will get you using handloaded ammo on his poor criminal. This gun is an old friend and now that I have a conceal carry permit, goes with me most of the time. Remember if you use a handgun for personal defense, use your gun range a lot. My old Fox double barrel with 20 inch barrels and #5 shot make my home defense set up perfect for me.
Kimber Cust. II ,.45apc Till they make something bigger for C.C
I go with either a Kel-Tec P-11 9mm, a Charter Arms Bulldog Pug in .44 Special, or if concealment of these is an issue, a Taurus PT-22 in .22 LR, all are light and compact, chambered to good defensive calibers and are easily concealed. Don't ignore the .22 LR. A good friend of mine in career law enforcement told me that "he'd rather be shot with anything than a .22 as the larger calibers blow on thru but the .22 bounces around inside, does lots of damage, and you never know where it will end up". This is one of those things that you hope you carry a million miles but never need.
I'm a slim guy. With a 28-inch waist, there ain't much room to hide things. I have a friend who's big enough to hide a .45 under each armpit, but I use either a stainless .38 5-shot, or a Walther PP/K.
i have four guns that could fit this niche
remington 870
S&W model 610 6 1/2 inch barrel
glock 29 10 mm
ruger sp 101 327 fed
the Glock is with me the most the shotgun is the house gun
My Glock 22 .40 and whichever 12 ga. shotgun comes to hand first are my home defense weapons, but I'm with libertyfirst in carrying an old .38. Mine is a Colt Cobra and, thankfully, I've never yet had to pull it on a human, but it's lightweight and I'm used to it (and can hit with it).
I use a S&W Sigma in .40 s&w. It i snot my first choise but it was what I could afford at the time. The trigger is pretty awful, but it is reliable and I am comfortable shooting it. I have never had a miss fire with it yet.
i carry a kahr cw9, s&w j frame 38+p 5shot wheel gun,and a kal-tec 9mm as a back up to one of the two listed i am carrying.i have other pistols from model 28,357mag to 45cal colt 1911,but to heavy to carry all day and conceal.
correction to above,the kaltec is a 380.
For a personal defence pistol, I'd have to go with the judge. Its great for close up with the .410 and the .45 will do the further shots that may come up.
The smallest cartridge I would comfortably recommend is the .380 ACP. The smallest revolver cartridge would be the .32 H&R Magnum. What do I personally use? A Kimber .45 ACP and a S&W Model 10HB .38 Special revolver.
I use a S&W 4566 TSW that I carried on duty. When I retired they gave me the pistol. The .45 is a great stopper.
2"- 3" snub nose revolver - .38 special "FBI" load of 158 gr. LSWCHP at +P pressure (Buffalo Bore makes a great one).
Your favorite shooter is often not your favorite to carry. When trouble comes your way a belly pusher in your pocket is worth two big bore tack drivers back in the truck. I carried my S&W 6906 for ten years but 13 rounds of 147 grain gets pretty heavy after about 10 hours. Now that one lives in the truck and my usual around town carry gun is my Colt Cobra with silver tips. When I hit the woods I drop a couple of notches on the food chain so then I upgrade to my Ruger .44 mag.
Glock 23 in .40 cal with a LaserMax system.
Well boys, looks like some anti-handgun, anti-carry kook slimed us all with negatives. Maybe they missed that part of the 2nd Amendment about .... and BEAR Arms shall not be infringed.
.44 magnum anybody that has the balls to stare down the barrel of that aint human but i carry a .380 and it gets the job done
If you haven't tried the Fobus paddle holster you need to, it is very comfortable.
9mm 124gr Speer GDHP@ 1120 fps
40s&w 155gr Speer GDHP @ 1150 fps
45acp 230gr Speer GDHP @870 fps
38spl+P 125gr Speer GDHP @850 fps
All of these loads provide excellent expansion and penetration. For me, the Speer Gold Dot has been the most consistant performer. The Hornady XTP is also an excellent choice, penetrates a little deeper than the GDHP. Find a pistol that will launch these bullets at or close to these velocities and you will have a reliable fight stopper. As cheap as Chronographs are today there is no excuse for not owning one.
Springfield XD 40 (40 cal)
1911A1 .45
Ruger Balckhawk 357 or 45
Ruger Vaquero 45
definatly a colt anaconda (.357 mag) in revolver form
how nice are you because theirs always the .500 s&w. just kidding get a 1911 in .45
Iwould personaly take a 45 auto over anything cause it has enough knockdown power for anyone. On the other hand if you took anyother hand gun for personal defense i would do the hydra-shock ammo if it is legal to purchase in your state.
I'm thinking of the "FN Five-Seven USG" 5.7x28mm!
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