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I think they should be captured and relocated. Definitely not killed!
Sure, I would like to have a woff-woff rug.
My opinion on this subject is that the wolf population should be managed, by doing exactly what Fish & Game of Montana and Idaho are doing. Which is giving a quota that is about 25% of the states wolf population, which in the end turns out good because the next years pups will re-fill the spots of the ones harvested in the prior year. If the management is done right it should keep the wolf population around the same number for years.
GET ADDICTED_ SMOKE A PACK A DAY!! Yeah seriously, If they don't get hunted legitimately then they will become a huge problem in rural residential areas (this is already happening) and paoching and other irresponsiblee and unregulated forms of reprisal against them will dramatically threaten the populations and all the "goos" done with this restoration will be jeopardized
Why Should Wolf hunting be any different then coyote hunting? If the population is abundant enough to hunt they should be managed or it will start effecting other animal populations
Its about time
theve got to do it. wolves have been recovered for a long time
EXCELLENT!! question swilmot1.We bought our tags tuesday .
I say hunting is a good way to manage the population. Most hunters become protective of the game they hunt, so they will become more eyes and ears out in the field. think about deer hunters and how most would react to a poacher or destruction of habitat.
pawner, do u know the cost it would be to capture them woles, and besides half would die when being transported
Hunt'm if you got'm
shoot one for me please we killed all the red wolves around my parts eons ago
I'm with everyone else. If the population warrants it, there should be a controlled season. I remember the outcry where the Wardens service wanted to open the Moose season here in Maine. Kids were crying with pictures of Bullwinkle and the anti's were running around with fake blood all over them. The season took place and was a great success and the rest is history. We now have a tremendous healthy herd and the state generates lots of money and the hunters have a great time with a bunch of good meat. Total win win situation! Bring on the wolf hunt.
you have to keep the #'s under control. So Shoot um up
They offer more of a challenge than coyotes. Let the hunters harvest them up, most practical and cheapest solution.
I believe the states of Idaho and Montana know quite well what the states can successfully sustain in wolf populations in relation to other wildlife population balances. It's better to begin that balance now than to wait till it's out of control and then crisis management is required. I , personally , have no need to hunt wolves, but to those who do, go forward with the hunt. They need to be managed!
Hunting the wolf before they become a problem is a great idea, keeping the numbers in check is a win win situation.
badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I AM BY NO MEANS A TREE HUGGER BUT I AM AGAINST WOLF HUNTING.
This topic is such an emotionally loaded issue. The biologist in me knows that wolves are a very charasmatic and intelligent species that are often misunderstood and have been given the "Big Bad Wolf" reputation over the years. However, the biologist and hunter in me knows that nearly all wildlife populations need to be managed to strike a balance between the needs of people and wildlife, in which case, some wolves will need to be killed from time to time.
To all: I would suggest reading the short essay "Thinking Like a Mountain" in the book A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold.
Shoot as many as you can. they are nothing but a pest to farmers ranchers and hunters
I think it is a good way to manage the population. Just think of what would happen if the population wasn't managed. If the wolves were relocated they would just keep having more pups anyway, plus if they are put in a place where they have never been before the population of other game would go down.(Rabbits, deer....)
I look at the wolf population like the local coyote population. I am in Northern IN so no we do not have wolves but a ton of coyotes. Coyotes and wolves are needed either way you look at it. They both keep the local population of small and larger game in check. I do not think that either 1 will completely wipe out rabbits or deer of elk population. It is survival of the fitest they are not going to eat the big bucks/elk they are going to eat the weak and the old and the sick. I have no problem hunting either their population needs to be kept in check also. If they were unhunted the coyotes would be in the farmers livestock more than what they are now. And I figure that the wolves are the same.
a recent publication by the University of Minnesota that states that wolves after age 3 are on the decline in there hunting abilities and that many of the kills are being made by younger wolves ages 2 and 3. areas with older wolves had more elk and deer. so is the hunting of the oldest wolves really controlling the heard and limiting predators or making the wolf packs stronger by thinning the old and the sick... just as the wolves do for the deer and elk herds. The question is killing the old wolves is it making more room for the younger more strong animals to populate areas and make the problem worse.
i think wolf hunting is a good idea because there one of the reasons the deer pop. is going down and why there isnt as good of hunting as there used to be 5-10 years ago
YES! i think that wolf hunting is good becuause the deer population will go up and then there will be more deer to hunt!
Its the best way to manage the population and the local governments won't be taking tax money to do it. Instead they collect from the hunters who manage the population for the government.
When you go tracking wolves through the woods, look behind you....they may be tracking you! They are one smart animal. And of course they should be hunted if there numbers exceed the quota.
Interested in opinions and thoughts on this novel idea.
Lots of money spent and scientific knowledge has been gained in the process of reintroducing wolves. Yet simple, cheap over the counter hunting tags are a crude form of management. What if there was a "mission oriented" lethal management tag one could purchase or enter a lottery for which allowed you to hunt multiple wolves (with a trained, local guide)under science based guidelines to insure that the numbers of wolves are reduced, without disrupting and splitting packs. And what if there were few of the normal "handicaps" associated with hunting (seasons, times of day to hunt, types of weapon, etc.)? What if these management hunts were available all year round, allowed hunting at night with any and all weapons, night vision, laser sites, no limits on calibre.. well, maybe SOME limits on calibre, and allowed use of existing telemetry on wolf packs).
And part of the hunt was HD video documenting of the entire experience; the stalk, the selection of the appropriate wolves to take out, etc.
Would anyone out there pay for that experience? It would be pricey, like guided elk hunt.
All areas with huntable populations ought to have a kill season. As license buyers, we know that we're giving plenty of funds to support population research... among other things.
They have no natural enemies so the only logical solutiion to keep the population in check is to have a season. I have been in the wildlife business all my life, over a 35 year career, and the cost to relocate is out of sight. We found that relocation is not the answer it is too expensive. If you don't keep their numbers in check our other wildlife,( elk, mule deer, whitetail) will suffer greatly. You have already seen this in some areas where the wolves have a stronghold. Forget emotions think biological.
Sarge, now don't you laugh at me, but have you heard anything about sightings of a large canine in the areas of Dolly Sods/Canaan Valley/Mt. Storm?
No I haven't heard anything.
007,
I forgot, I a little mixed up this morning, my Day passes away yesterday. You can go to www.kimblefuneralhome.com and see his obit.
I can't even spell this morning, please look over me. After 92 years its just seems like he was going to be with me forever.
Sarge, I am sorry for your loss, please be assured of our thoughts and prayers, and remember, no more suffering and a much better place than we can ever imagine. If there's anything I can do, you know how to find me. God bless.
I haven't been in the forum for over a week now, and I am sorry for your loss Sarge. I truly am, and I will pray that you may be able to better cope with the loss of your father.
As far as wolf hunting goes, there shouldn't even be a question. Hunters are the ultimate conservationists and would help keep their numbers in check.
Again, listen to the experts, not the tear in the eye liberal. If strong evidence exists that their numbers are too high, and effecting populations of deer, and elk, and ranch animals, kill them until their numbers reach projected levels. Just make sure when you are tip- toeing through the woods hunting them that YOU are not the one being hunted.
Fliphunter - not a bad idea but not quite right either. First off A 2 year old wolf is just as desirable and animal as a 3-5 year old and the adults will get shot regardless of age. If anything people will try for the big ones, the ones that really help the pack in taking large game - elk, moose, muleys - the species getting hit hardest now, and the most valuable to us and to tourists.
Second, it's not necessarily about which individuals in the pack you kill. The ones that make the majority of the kills are not only feeding themselves, they are feeding the older wolves, the pups, the younger wolves, the alphas, or if they are an alpha, their subordinates. When wolf packs have a lot of mouths to feed they go for big hunting parties and big kills - like elk and moose, and a lot of them often. You'd be surprised what pairs, singles, and even small packs eat - rodents, rabbits, etc. They make big kills together but they don't need to as often as large packs.
The goal was 300 reintroduced wolves. They now number 1700+ and the number is growing. Wolves have expanded their range into other states not part of the original reintroduction program. Soon Colorado, Nevada and California will have wolves migrating across state lines. What will wolves eat when there are no more elk, deer and family pets? Think about it.
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My opinion on this subject is that the wolf population should be managed, by doing exactly what Fish & Game of Montana and Idaho are doing. Which is giving a quota that is about 25% of the states wolf population, which in the end turns out good because the next years pups will re-fill the spots of the ones harvested in the prior year. If the management is done right it should keep the wolf population around the same number for years.
I say hunting is a good way to manage the population. Most hunters become protective of the game they hunt, so they will become more eyes and ears out in the field. think about deer hunters and how most would react to a poacher or destruction of habitat.
Sure, I would like to have a woff-woff rug.
Why Should Wolf hunting be any different then coyote hunting? If the population is abundant enough to hunt they should be managed or it will start effecting other animal populations
Hunting the wolf before they become a problem is a great idea, keeping the numbers in check is a win win situation.
I look at the wolf population like the local coyote population. I am in Northern IN so no we do not have wolves but a ton of coyotes. Coyotes and wolves are needed either way you look at it. They both keep the local population of small and larger game in check. I do not think that either 1 will completely wipe out rabbits or deer of elk population. It is survival of the fitest they are not going to eat the big bucks/elk they are going to eat the weak and the old and the sick. I have no problem hunting either their population needs to be kept in check also. If they were unhunted the coyotes would be in the farmers livestock more than what they are now. And I figure that the wolves are the same.
GET ADDICTED_ SMOKE A PACK A DAY!! Yeah seriously, If they don't get hunted legitimately then they will become a huge problem in rural residential areas (this is already happening) and paoching and other irresponsiblee and unregulated forms of reprisal against them will dramatically threaten the populations and all the "goos" done with this restoration will be jeopardized
Its about time
theve got to do it. wolves have been recovered for a long time
EXCELLENT!! question swilmot1.We bought our tags tuesday .
pawner, do u know the cost it would be to capture them woles, and besides half would die when being transported
I'm with everyone else. If the population warrants it, there should be a controlled season. I remember the outcry where the Wardens service wanted to open the Moose season here in Maine. Kids were crying with pictures of Bullwinkle and the anti's were running around with fake blood all over them. The season took place and was a great success and the rest is history. We now have a tremendous healthy herd and the state generates lots of money and the hunters have a great time with a bunch of good meat. Total win win situation! Bring on the wolf hunt.
you have to keep the #'s under control. So Shoot um up
They offer more of a challenge than coyotes. Let the hunters harvest them up, most practical and cheapest solution.
I believe the states of Idaho and Montana know quite well what the states can successfully sustain in wolf populations in relation to other wildlife population balances. It's better to begin that balance now than to wait till it's out of control and then crisis management is required. I , personally , have no need to hunt wolves, but to those who do, go forward with the hunt. They need to be managed!
This topic is such an emotionally loaded issue. The biologist in me knows that wolves are a very charasmatic and intelligent species that are often misunderstood and have been given the "Big Bad Wolf" reputation over the years. However, the biologist and hunter in me knows that nearly all wildlife populations need to be managed to strike a balance between the needs of people and wildlife, in which case, some wolves will need to be killed from time to time.
To all: I would suggest reading the short essay "Thinking Like a Mountain" in the book A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold.
I think it is a good way to manage the population. Just think of what would happen if the population wasn't managed. If the wolves were relocated they would just keep having more pups anyway, plus if they are put in a place where they have never been before the population of other game would go down.(Rabbits, deer....)
Its the best way to manage the population and the local governments won't be taking tax money to do it. Instead they collect from the hunters who manage the population for the government.
Hunt'm if you got'm
a recent publication by the University of Minnesota that states that wolves after age 3 are on the decline in there hunting abilities and that many of the kills are being made by younger wolves ages 2 and 3. areas with older wolves had more elk and deer. so is the hunting of the oldest wolves really controlling the heard and limiting predators or making the wolf packs stronger by thinning the old and the sick... just as the wolves do for the deer and elk herds. The question is killing the old wolves is it making more room for the younger more strong animals to populate areas and make the problem worse.
i think wolf hunting is a good idea because there one of the reasons the deer pop. is going down and why there isnt as good of hunting as there used to be 5-10 years ago
YES! i think that wolf hunting is good becuause the deer population will go up and then there will be more deer to hunt!
They have no natural enemies so the only logical solutiion to keep the population in check is to have a season. I have been in the wildlife business all my life, over a 35 year career, and the cost to relocate is out of sight. We found that relocation is not the answer it is too expensive. If you don't keep their numbers in check our other wildlife,( elk, mule deer, whitetail) will suffer greatly. You have already seen this in some areas where the wolves have a stronghold. Forget emotions think biological.
The goal was 300 reintroduced wolves. They now number 1700+ and the number is growing. Wolves have expanded their range into other states not part of the original reintroduction program. Soon Colorado, Nevada and California will have wolves migrating across state lines. What will wolves eat when there are no more elk, deer and family pets? Think about it.
shoot one for me please we killed all the red wolves around my parts eons ago
Shoot as many as you can. they are nothing but a pest to farmers ranchers and hunters
When you go tracking wolves through the woods, look behind you....they may be tracking you! They are one smart animal. And of course they should be hunted if there numbers exceed the quota.
All areas with huntable populations ought to have a kill season. As license buyers, we know that we're giving plenty of funds to support population research... among other things.
Sarge, now don't you laugh at me, but have you heard anything about sightings of a large canine in the areas of Dolly Sods/Canaan Valley/Mt. Storm?
No I haven't heard anything.
007,
I forgot, I a little mixed up this morning, my Day passes away yesterday. You can go to www.kimblefuneralhome.com and see his obit.
I can't even spell this morning, please look over me. After 92 years its just seems like he was going to be with me forever.
Sarge, I am sorry for your loss, please be assured of our thoughts and prayers, and remember, no more suffering and a much better place than we can ever imagine. If there's anything I can do, you know how to find me. God bless.
I haven't been in the forum for over a week now, and I am sorry for your loss Sarge. I truly am, and I will pray that you may be able to better cope with the loss of your father.
As far as wolf hunting goes, there shouldn't even be a question. Hunters are the ultimate conservationists and would help keep their numbers in check.
Again, listen to the experts, not the tear in the eye liberal. If strong evidence exists that their numbers are too high, and effecting populations of deer, and elk, and ranch animals, kill them until their numbers reach projected levels. Just make sure when you are tip- toeing through the woods hunting them that YOU are not the one being hunted.
Fliphunter - not a bad idea but not quite right either. First off A 2 year old wolf is just as desirable and animal as a 3-5 year old and the adults will get shot regardless of age. If anything people will try for the big ones, the ones that really help the pack in taking large game - elk, moose, muleys - the species getting hit hardest now, and the most valuable to us and to tourists.
Second, it's not necessarily about which individuals in the pack you kill. The ones that make the majority of the kills are not only feeding themselves, they are feeding the older wolves, the pups, the younger wolves, the alphas, or if they are an alpha, their subordinates. When wolf packs have a lot of mouths to feed they go for big hunting parties and big kills - like elk and moose, and a lot of them often. You'd be surprised what pairs, singles, and even small packs eat - rodents, rabbits, etc. They make big kills together but they don't need to as often as large packs.
Interested in opinions and thoughts on this novel idea.
Lots of money spent and scientific knowledge has been gained in the process of reintroducing wolves. Yet simple, cheap over the counter hunting tags are a crude form of management. What if there was a "mission oriented" lethal management tag one could purchase or enter a lottery for which allowed you to hunt multiple wolves (with a trained, local guide)under science based guidelines to insure that the numbers of wolves are reduced, without disrupting and splitting packs. And what if there were few of the normal "handicaps" associated with hunting (seasons, times of day to hunt, types of weapon, etc.)? What if these management hunts were available all year round, allowed hunting at night with any and all weapons, night vision, laser sites, no limits on calibre.. well, maybe SOME limits on calibre, and allowed use of existing telemetry on wolf packs).
And part of the hunt was HD video documenting of the entire experience; the stalk, the selection of the appropriate wolves to take out, etc.
Would anyone out there pay for that experience? It would be pricey, like guided elk hunt.
badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I AM BY NO MEANS A TREE HUGGER BUT I AM AGAINST WOLF HUNTING.
I think they should be captured and relocated. Definitely not killed!
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