Dakotah
The frightening thing to me is people like you. You seem to be well educated, you write well and I enjoy reading what you write but it truly frighten me that there are obviously people like you that simply want to blow off the weight of this horrible proposal. We can't pay for this. We're broke as we speak. Where does the money come from. Maybe we can sell off some more of our country? You want us to add more social programs but the ones we are suffering with now are all disasters and lead to nothing but more of the same. Everyone that actually has a job and works for a living will be placed under such new burdens that many will throw up their hands and give up. I belong to a small business association and if the information that we receive is correct 30% of us will no longer be able to provide what is required under proposed federal guidelines. The economy is already so bad here that I may have to let 4 of my employees go, two with large families to feed. How does placing additional financial burden on me with this health care plan help the economy?

The real problem with this administration is that they have never had jobs. They only know what looks good on paper. The human suffering is never a consideration. They say I can help that poor family if I only do this one thing--but that one thing will affect the lives of four hard working people that may lose their jobs as a result.

Hey hengst, Democrats thinks it to be pocket change!

The health care bill recently passed is a bad bad idea. It will be another bomb run by the goverment that is already broke.It can not be a positve experiance for most americans already struggling financialy. Small bissiness is the back bone of our country and it is the wish of the Obama administration to break
there backs. To have all americans dependant on the goverment
for every thing. Once this is in place the present administration will declare amnesty for all illeagle imigrants
to garner more votes in the next election. From there they will go after all the guns as armed citizens cannot fight back.
Its just all a plan for a one world socialist goverment and then declare martial law. We are all doomed unless we fight back by voting theses thugs out of office. We must restore a new order to the white house and it starts whith each and every true blooded american patriot. What are you going to do to- day?

If so many people, and states, are against this, I still am a bit fuzzy on how it even passed.

Democrat or Republican, are not our elected senators supposed to vote the wishes of the state that elected them? There should be no lobbying or "deals" with the party.

That's not democracy when you elect a senator, and he ignores his own state.

Actually, a Senator or Representative votes according to what in their best judgement will be in the best interests of their district, state, and nation. I really don't want my elected officials to be voting only according to what the polls indicate, nor according to what the strict party party line is. I expect who ever is representing me to be using their brain, their best judgement in deciding how they will vote. If I don't agree with the majority of their votes and if I don't trust their judgement then I'll work to get someone else elected next time around. If we really don't want a thinking person representing us, then we ought to get rid of this system, and once a day we could go to our computers and vote on each specific issue, kind of like the rediculous video polls that the networks do daily on the issues, but really have no validity.

Dakotah Dan-
Didn't give you any negative 1s, but I will attempt to explain why you received them.
1. You credit a Senator or Representative with having "best judgment." Their "judgment" seems to be based on the opinions of lobby pests, and what kind of a sweetheart deal they can cut for themselves. This has gone on for far too long.
2. You credit said representatives with having a brain, when the existence of Harry Reid, Barney Frank, John Kerry, Dennis Kuchinich, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Chris Dodd, Sheila Jackson Lee, ad nauseum, contradicts this.
As a group, the U.S. Congress is the most corrupt, venal and low life bunch of pond scum ever collected in any one location. If anyone with any common sense was passing laws, they would put a bounty on Congress!

It is not that your view of democracy is wrong it is just that I am sure many people would like to think what they want matters and with your view we only have a say in who runs things not what they do (which is what has been happening for years).

Dan misses one important point, which is the big base of all the anger right now.

Yes, the system that elected someone can remove them. However, there is a time during which they are in power, and can destroy everything in that time.

If a person says "If you elect me, I will vote against Bill-X.", and you vote for them, and they vote for it, because the party says to, that is both a lie, and a slap in the face for the (possibly millions) of people who voted for them. They have a blank check as long as he can stay in office.

It's the "answering to no one" of their own electorate that is making people mad.

Actually Spartan, I am questioning how much influence any of us individually have. I want to believe that we do have a say at the ballot box. And, I’m a big believer in ongoing political action calling attention to specific issues, and sustained respectful dialogue with our Reps’ and Sens’ offices on those issues. But, do our representatives really have their ears to the ground listening to our needs, or instead to the demands of their corporate sponsors. So, I’ll correct what I said above. I really don't want my elected officials to be voting only according to the polls, nor according to what the strict party line is (whether that is republican, democrat, tea party, or any other wing nut group). I expect whoever is representing me to be responsive to the views and needs of us, the electorate, and to be using their brain, their best judgment, in deciding how they will vote.

Jeff, you are painting with a very broad brush. Is the anger against every congress person, because they all are slapping the faces of the millions who voted for them? Or, is the anger directed at those who vote contrary to yours or my preferences? Suggesting that an elected official “can destroy everything” during their elected term is hyperbole. So, Jeff, who specifically is not being responsive that has gotten your ire up?

And 3006, we are in agreement about lobbyists having too much influence. I don’t think you are hearing that part of my argument. Unlike Jeff, you specified people in congress you have no respect for, i.e. Harry Reid, Barney Frank, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Chris Dodd, Sheila Jackson Lee. But, you go on to include all members as being (and I love this description) “the most corrupt, venal and low life bunch of pond scum ever collected in any one location.” Then you suggest that there should be a payment or reward given for the killing or trapping of these unwanted animals, in other words a 'bounty'. I did not misunderstand what you said, nor did I take it out of context. You were explicit in your desire for a bounty, and you named the worst offenders, in your opinion. Personally, I don’t believe this F&S web site should allow statements advocating murder or assassination, character assassination - why not, but not the more violent kind.

You forgot John Kerry! Two faced anti-gun liar. Pretends to be a hunter just to get votes!

Moishe is dead right, we are a Constitutional Republic and those in Government has manipulated the truth to further their own agenda.

For example, Clinton was gave everything on a silver platter with the excepti0on of trigger locks and despite this one item on his agenda, he turned down lock stock and barrel.

Obama and the oil spill, don't need to got there!

Bottom line,

The Democratic Party has adopted the solution to further there agenda is to allow a level of death and carnage!

In other words, retrain the people to not be able to maintain, fix and to prosper left with the only option of failure so they have control!!!

Obama and the rest of you liberals, don't worry about me, worry about this Nation. The Spirit of 1776 is gaining momentum and it will rise soon, very soon!!!

This Manning Fella does have a valid point in not what he says actually but the intent is true, very true!

http://la-gun.com/videos/manning/

The absolute truth is ObamaCare will be a massive, and I mean massive, debt ridden, corruption ridden policy that will drive us over the top, into BK...we may end up there anyway. Fraud is incredible in the far smaller, Medicare portion, and they will not do anything about it! Democrats do not want this bill debated as they just nixed the open debate, and financial numbers that have come out from the budget office. It would be further doom for them in November.