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What's It Worth?

Do you have issues with police officers?

Uploaded on February 22, 2010

I'm a true supporter of law enforcement. I believe that we are all better off with sound laws and good quality officers with sound judgment. Over the years I've spent many dollars to support local law efforts.

My son was stopped last night for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph. I read the citation and that is what it said, 5 mph over. The officer then told my son that he has a arrest warrant for an unpaid ticket. My son told him that the ticket had been paid for and that the receipt was in the glove box. The officer told my son that he wasn't interested in the receipt and to step out of the car with his hands raised. This is verified by the passenger in the car. My son was cuffed and put into the back of the cruiser. When I was notified of the incident, I took the receipts from my sons car and the release papers issued by the court from my wifes file and went to the jail. When I was allowed to go into the jail after a 40 minute wait, I presented the receipt and papers to the arresting office. He smiled at me and turned and walked away. Not a single word or comment. I took one step toward him and another young officer put his hand on my shoulder and asked me to leave the building. Trying not to make my son predicament worse I did as told. After approximately 25 minutes I was allowed back into the lock up. I was told that I had to have $300.00 cash to bail my son out. I had my check book and a credit card that I have never used but they would accept neither. I drove to a local ATM and withdrew $300.00 and proceeded back to the jail. I rang the entrance bell and a voice said to wait outside. One hour and 12 Minutes later I was again allowed into the lock up. A different officer than the fist two appeared and I again presented the receipts and release and this officer also refused to look or even listen to the story. He made me make out three forms and told me the court date. One the forms states that $150.00 can't be refunded regardless of the outcome of this day in court. The original court issuing the receipts and release have given me a document saying that the fine was paid with no grievance. The arresting officer and the jail manager will not talk to me on the phone.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Oh gosh. Where do I start. Maybe last summer when a police officer called and threatened to kill me because I was talking to his wife at a party or this fall when they refused to go to my son's home to make a report on a stolen vehicle. They made him walk to the police station to fill out a report and of course walk home. Or maybe a few years ago when they took a 1/2 hour to respond to an accident in front of my home while a dead woman was laying in my yard.

With that said we do have good officers in the area but a few bad apples and our Highway Patrol is all top notch.

OH, The guys wife is ugly as sin. I was just being nice talking to her.

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from Jerry A. wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As a police officer, I try not to second guess the actions of other officers, especially when I wasn't there. My advice would be to contact the court clerk in person with all your paperwork, and see if she will possibly rectify the money situation.

I hope this experrience doesn't ruin your opinion of all those in the law enforcement profession.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

O'brother!

Get you an Attorney and have at it!

They were in fact out of line big time!

First of all, the receipt for paying the fine is a legal document. And from there, they violated your Son's rights!

I'd call FOX News, they would have a field day on this one!

Let the Attorney handle this and make sure they are reputable and willing to fight!

Is a Law Suit at hand?

YOU BET!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Some COPS think they can do any damn thing they want!

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't know what to make of it. Was there any preexisting problem or "history" between your son and the officer? Is this the norm for this department? It would be interesting to hear the officer's side of this traffic stop. Have you had an opportunity to see the police report?

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from firehawk532 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like a bunch of cops with badge syndrome the power went to their head and they shouldn't being wearing those badge because with action like this they don't deserve them. You might try going to the police chief but don't know how much good it'll do he might be as bad as the others. You might also try going to the municipal authority who is charge of the police dept (mayor, township supervisor, ect). Last resort and I hate saying these things because I too am a supporter of law enforcement and work in conjunction with law enforcement but you seem to have very good grounds for a civil law suit against the dept.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

buckhunter

dead woman was laying in my yard?

OMG!

The surviving Spouse can have a field day on this one!

As far as the Police Officer called and threatened to kill you, it's going to be your word against his. To bad you don't have a recording!

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from kyle wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I do repect police on what they do. I was a volunteer fire fighter for 10 years plan on joining again. Anyways I worked with them years, but there is a few bad apples that can spoil a bunch just like anything else. I agree with Clay, round up as much media you can and tell your story. I surely think the public will be on your side. You have the evidence so take it to court.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It is unfortunate to be sure, you get a few real jerks and it ruins the reputation for everybody. The highway patrol is most always squared away and much more proffesional than local leos. I have several friends that are cops and they share the same frustration when some "know it all" cop runs rough shod all over you.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

There's good cops and bad cops. Unfortunately, you've got yourself some bad ones. Personally, I'd raise holy hell w/the Mayor. I'd do everything in my power to get the media involved, and I would call an attorney. The bad thing with bad cops is that usually they can get away with bad behavior. In this instance, I think you can put a stop to these cops' bad behavior, or at least prove it in a court of law. It's a pain in the ass, and a headache, but if you don't do it, they'll keep their sh*t up. Good luck, I hope you decide to raise hell.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

libertyfirst-
Unfortunately, much more egregious examples of police behaving badly abound in the real world. I would hope you would follow the advice of most of the posters above, and sue them unto the full extent of the law. Unfortunately, in a lot of small municipalities, fear of reprisal will keep your legitimate suit from ever getting to court.

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from jwallen wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The vast majority of Law Enforcement Officers are great people. That said they are human and there will be bad ones. Take it to their supervisors and if you don't get a satisfactory result take it up the chain. It all depends upon how important it is to you. Sometimes it turns into literally thousands of dollars to get satisfaction. The young officer that put his hand on your shoulder probably did you a favor. If you would have followed it could have gone south very quickly. I hope it works out to your satisfaction. When we quit trusting our police we have a problem, when we start fearing our police then we have a huge problem. This may end up before a Judge by the time it is all through. Good luck and give us a post later to let us know how it turned out.

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from matt wasson wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I agree with "jerry a" above... if I could not get the "refund" I would also seek legal advice.

I would not run to the paper, I would not over-react, I also "wonder" did your son have any prior's with this person of uniform?

do you live in a small town? or large? this does have an impact, as they may bring "retaleation(sp) to you...

something does not jive...

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from country road wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As has been said, there are good cops and bad cops and there are more good than bad, but they all tend to present a unified front to us civilians which lets the bad ones get away with a lot of stuff they shouldn't. In your case, if you try to take action, the story from the cop shop will not in any way resemble what you experienced. There will be a lot of mumbo-jumbo about correct procedure and "We have no record of any such----blah, blah, blah." It will be your word against a whole bunch of cops. Cops have a bad job, but it is their chosen profession and there is no reason for them to do a bad job of a bad job.

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As stated before by many, get yourself a GOOD atty. It'll cost you, but in the long run its well worth the money. Around here, the cops that are tough to deal with are young ones trying to get a reputation or the Barney Fife type from small towns trying to flex the badge muscles.

As a side note, last summer there were 2 off duty cops, one a state patrolmen, the other a cop from a Columbus suburb, that were picked up for doing 140 mph on I70 on motorcycles. The suburb cop was finally fired but the statie still has his job. The patrolman that pulled them over didnt report it or issue tickets until several days after the initial stop. The TV news got word of this and that when the one was fired....

Its not what you know.... its who you know...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Edward J. Palumbo has a valid point here and I give him a +1!!!

You have some homework to do my Friend!

Start with you State Department of Transportation commonly known as DOT.

This is what you’re seeking and what your defense is!

Federal Law "DOT" for the operation of Commercial Vehicles, the speedometer accuracy must be within plus or minus 5 mph at 50 mph. In other words, must have the accuracy of plus or minus ten percent

Take a picture of the location of the alleged offense. Keep in mind of any potential hazards or events a vehicle going over 5 mph would cause.

The next two the Judge doesn’t care about and you don’t want to bring up!

1: Accuracy/tolerance of Radar Units moving and stationary.

2: Accuracy of the Speedometer of the Law Enforcement unit.

Bottom Line
All the Officers I know and have worked with only ticket those who are over 10 mph. In other words, the violation would be obvious. 5 mph over such as 30 in a 25 if anything the offender would receive a warning only. Driving in a careless manner would result not in a speeding ticket, but a careless driving citation instead!

What information you have said, makes me believe the Officers were overzealous in their actions!

BUT MOST OF ALL, YOUR SON IS NOW TARGETED AND YOU MUST TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT HIM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

PS

When you take a picture of the location of the alleged offense, go to other areas were the "Speed Limit" is greater for the same conditions!

What you proving is the inconsistency of application of Speed Limits! I can show you areas where it's 45 mph through a business district and just around the corner no buildings or other intersections zero population it's 30 mph!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Jerry A. is right!

When pulled over, only lower your window about a third of the way down. If the Officer ask you to get out, do so. But before you do, roll up the window and lock the vehicle and place the keys in your pocket. If they ask to search your car, the answer is NO! The bad COPS are going to do what they do best and defending yourself under your rights of a private citizen is now paramount. Even if your not guilty, what you say can and will be twisted around in the court, I guarantee it.

Food for thought!
If you went out of town and during that time something happened. During your trip, you used cash instead of your card showing your location. All the prosecuting Attorney needs is for your schoolfriend or somebody else say, they witness seeing someone who looked like you in the same type of vehicle. Telling the truth cuts both ways! Do not give information without the presence of a Lawyer!

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from 4trx300 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

seems pretty cut and dry guys.the only info the officer had to go by was a pickup or arrest on site command that had been filed. its not their job to sort these things out thats what courts are for.its unfortunate that he wouldnt look at the paperwork but it wouldnt have released him from having to arrest him.instead of arguing with someone about a subject he has no control over i think walking away was a wise choice for the officer.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I purchased a rental home in town a few years back and quickly learned there was a guy dealing drugs off his front porch a few houses down. I as well as several of the neighbors called the police several times.

At the same time my daughter who was in high school was at a party with other high school kids that was busted by a gang (yes, I'll call them gangs) of police officers who responded to a complaint over loud music.

Three years later the guy is still dealing drugs.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I wore a badge for about 33 years and served with some real losers. Usually the dedicated good cops help to weed out the bozos and inspire them to seek another line of work, but the bigger the department the easier it is too hide. The best thing to do in a situation like this one is to enlist the clout of the media to shine the light on them. Chiefs of police are politicians and with the light comes heat and they and the mayor don't like heat. Now, I am in no way trying to justify what I consider unjustifiable, but having found an outstanding arrest warrant, if dispatch confirmed it with an abstract, the officer was required to execute the warrant. From your account I do not know if he had dispatch confirm with an abstract, but it would be inexcusable not to especially after being shown the receipt for the paid fine. I am so sorry for what you and your son had to endure and ashamed for the conduct of a fraternity that I was proud to have been a member of.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&NR=1

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Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related

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4th Amendment Ignored By Indiana Sheriff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQAJgxMIuM&NR=1

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like the root cause may have been the court clerk not clearing the warrant from NCIC when the case was closed with payment. Get an attorney and go to court or just talk to the court and get it dropped and talk to the mayor and council about the cops behavior. Two sides to every story with kids and cops. Lots of he said, she said.....

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Contact the D.A. and the Mayor how they want their butt handed to them.They will settle it.Been there done that with my daughter.Slimy horndog cop after a lot of the young girls in our area.I think he picks up trash at the beach in the mornings.
The best of luck with your son .

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

First get a lawyer, let him contact the other officials and the media they will pay mor attention to HIM.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

the continuing paramilitarization of local police and their "zero tolerance" policies do nothing for the cause of justice and everything for all departments of governments to justify their existence. more arrests,warranted or not, mean more dollars poured into the system and more statistics to show cause for increasing government payrolls. anyone can be caught up in these nightmares. if we all scream bloody murder about the injustice of it all,maybe sonething will change. see you in jail.

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like you need a lawyer and to contact the DA as welland possibly the media and City Mayor.

Have you tried to contact the Chief or Sheriff if that's the case?

I agree with Moishe

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

You could also contact the local radio and television stations and let them go to town with the story.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It seems that all of the cops in this story were going by the book, and each could say he was only doing his job. The late Skeeter Skelton once wrote an article in Shooting Times about this kind of situation.
As a law enforcement officer, he had very little regard for "book men", as he called them, who were afraid of using their judgment in unusual circumstances, and always hid behind the regulations to cover their butts.
At the very least, I hope they pay for this in public embarrassment.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The cops have enough going on, so don't come down too hard on all of them. They are doing a thankless job for a lot of folks who could care less if they live or die. The officer who investigated my truck burglary a week ago in the pouring rain was efficient, understanding, and very courteous to me.

No doubt the are a few bad apples with poor leadership out there that need a little accountability.

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from jay wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

From what I have seen, the guys that were bullies in high school went into law enforcement so they could continue their bully ways. They all love confrontation and enjoy getting into fights. Many of these police officers are getting into fights at the local bars and because of the "brotherhood" never have to take responsibility for their actions.

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Well here a positive cop story.

Last week my wife and I went to town and the weather was not bad. While we were away the snow started and worse yet, the wind. Unfortunately, our county roads dont get plowed from 6pm to 6am due to budget problems. We hit a patch up ice under a drift that eventually put the vehicle on its side in the ditch. I called 911 asking for assistance and in 5 minutes we had cops, fire, EMTs and a wrecker. By the way no one was hurt. Everyone was extremely courteous and helpful. We had the back of the SUV full of grociers and they were everywhere. The crews helped us gather up all our things even though it was extremely cold and windy. The deputies gave us a ride home as our vehicle wasnt driveable. I was quite impressed, even sent and email to the sheriff recognizing how thankful we were.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Kenton,

Did you hear the story out of Columbus last week where an elderly man was missing from his home. A search started immediately with two helicoptors, at least 4 dog search teams and scores of police officers joining in on the search.

A neighbor found the body 16 hours later 3 doors down in the open.

Knowing what the cost is for 2 helicoptors, dog search teams and gosh knows how much overtime pay, the results are very unacceptable.

I know part of my problem is that I hold the local police force to the same standards as I had in the military. Am I being unfair?

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from shane wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Buckhunter, I'm in full agreement with your posts and sentiments. Especially the bit about the drug dealer going free while the cops bust teenagers. That is a typical and universal theme in seemingly every town.

I think yours should be a fair comparison, but unfortunately it's not. I don't think many cops will live up to military standards at all. Not in physical fitness, in mental fitness, in strength of character, in discipline, bravery, or in the handling of weapons/fire situations. Sure some could and even have, but I think if that was the test, we would have at least 65% of cops fired.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

That $300 would have gotten an attorney started and would have been better spent than losing 50% of it to the city. Look in the yellow pages, pick the biggest add and sic 'em on the bad guys.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I guess this post could use a little levity.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Junior Brown and Highway Patrol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

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from sgaredneck wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Carney - big +1 for that!!!
Here's a great B-side for that one - the Twangbangers doing the most awesome version of "Hot Rod Lincoln" ever LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSp3SREUOw

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

There are cops who are out there doing their job for the right reason, and then there are cops who do their job because after they graduated high school they needed somebody else to bully, being a cop was the only way to do it without getting their asses handed to them. I've been stopped by both types of cops over the past few years. The only time I actually broke the law was when I was speeding, and the cop was an honest, good natured cop who let me off with a warning. Other times I've been stopped was were from hot headed young cops, who pulled me over the first time for having a light out on one side of my license plate, and the other time for apparently driving over the center line. I don't know how that officer could tell because he was driving so close he probably couldn't see over my tailgate. That being said I have respect for the cop who's out there to protect the community, not so much for the imbecile who thinks he owns the world because he has a badge and a gun!

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I wore a badge as a state law enforcement officer for almost 36 years. I have always been proud of the common sense and compassion that I showed the people that I came into contact with. My coffee table at the resturant had 9 guys around it every morning. I had issued 4 of them citations over the years, but we still had our coffee every morning before work. The only time that my disposition turned bad was when the person decided that is how they wanted to play the game and left me no other choice. I have been a part of getting rid of the bad apples in the barrel. I'm not pround of it but it was something that had to be done. Don't judge everyone by a few bad apples every profession has them.

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from Reddragonccc15 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Here in Mississippi I have encountered many police officers over the years and all of them have been polite and well behaved..even when I got a ticket for seatbelt or speeding...the biggest reason they are so well behaved is because any law abiding citizen can legally be carring a loaded handgun in their vehicle or on their person at any given time,and most of us do!!!
Down here a resident can apply for and get a conceal and carry permit as easily as getting your drivers license and most of us older people always carry a gun anywhere we go...otherwise you risk getting killed or robbed by the bad eliment that premiates this state so badly....

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from kent wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Them smokeys can be crazy sometimes. They call my town a speed trap and it is. These young guns in dodge chargers go tearin around pullin people over for no good reason. Now sometimes they need pulled over but that is rediculis.

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from Steve Marlin wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

Man - that is a crazy story. Makes me want to thank the cops in my town for being easy to work with.

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from Jerry A. wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As a police officer, I try not to second guess the actions of other officers, especially when I wasn't there. My advice would be to contact the court clerk in person with all your paperwork, and see if she will possibly rectify the money situation.

I hope this experrience doesn't ruin your opinion of all those in the law enforcement profession.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Oh gosh. Where do I start. Maybe last summer when a police officer called and threatened to kill me because I was talking to his wife at a party or this fall when they refused to go to my son's home to make a report on a stolen vehicle. They made him walk to the police station to fill out a report and of course walk home. Or maybe a few years ago when they took a 1/2 hour to respond to an accident in front of my home while a dead woman was laying in my yard.

With that said we do have good officers in the area but a few bad apples and our Highway Patrol is all top notch.

OH, The guys wife is ugly as sin. I was just being nice talking to her.

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from jay wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

From what I have seen, the guys that were bullies in high school went into law enforcement so they could continue their bully ways. They all love confrontation and enjoy getting into fights. Many of these police officers are getting into fights at the local bars and because of the "brotherhood" never have to take responsibility for their actions.

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I wore a badge as a state law enforcement officer for almost 36 years. I have always been proud of the common sense and compassion that I showed the people that I came into contact with. My coffee table at the resturant had 9 guys around it every morning. I had issued 4 of them citations over the years, but we still had our coffee every morning before work. The only time that my disposition turned bad was when the person decided that is how they wanted to play the game and left me no other choice. I have been a part of getting rid of the bad apples in the barrel. I'm not pround of it but it was something that had to be done. Don't judge everyone by a few bad apples every profession has them.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I purchased a rental home in town a few years back and quickly learned there was a guy dealing drugs off his front porch a few houses down. I as well as several of the neighbors called the police several times.

At the same time my daughter who was in high school was at a party with other high school kids that was busted by a gang (yes, I'll call them gangs) of police officers who responded to a complaint over loud music.

Three years later the guy is still dealing drugs.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I guess this post could use a little levity.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Junior Brown and Highway Patrol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

There are cops who are out there doing their job for the right reason, and then there are cops who do their job because after they graduated high school they needed somebody else to bully, being a cop was the only way to do it without getting their asses handed to them. I've been stopped by both types of cops over the past few years. The only time I actually broke the law was when I was speeding, and the cop was an honest, good natured cop who let me off with a warning. Other times I've been stopped was were from hot headed young cops, who pulled me over the first time for having a light out on one side of my license plate, and the other time for apparently driving over the center line. I don't know how that officer could tell because he was driving so close he probably couldn't see over my tailgate. That being said I have respect for the cop who's out there to protect the community, not so much for the imbecile who thinks he owns the world because he has a badge and a gun!

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from firehawk532 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like a bunch of cops with badge syndrome the power went to their head and they shouldn't being wearing those badge because with action like this they don't deserve them. You might try going to the police chief but don't know how much good it'll do he might be as bad as the others. You might also try going to the municipal authority who is charge of the police dept (mayor, township supervisor, ect). Last resort and I hate saying these things because I too am a supporter of law enforcement and work in conjunction with law enforcement but you seem to have very good grounds for a civil law suit against the dept.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

buckhunter

dead woman was laying in my yard?

OMG!

The surviving Spouse can have a field day on this one!

As far as the Police Officer called and threatened to kill you, it's going to be your word against his. To bad you don't have a recording!

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I wore a badge for about 33 years and served with some real losers. Usually the dedicated good cops help to weed out the bozos and inspire them to seek another line of work, but the bigger the department the easier it is too hide. The best thing to do in a situation like this one is to enlist the clout of the media to shine the light on them. Chiefs of police are politicians and with the light comes heat and they and the mayor don't like heat. Now, I am in no way trying to justify what I consider unjustifiable, but having found an outstanding arrest warrant, if dispatch confirmed it with an abstract, the officer was required to execute the warrant. From your account I do not know if he had dispatch confirm with an abstract, but it would be inexcusable not to especially after being shown the receipt for the paid fine. I am so sorry for what you and your son had to endure and ashamed for the conduct of a fraternity that I was proud to have been a member of.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It seems that all of the cops in this story were going by the book, and each could say he was only doing his job. The late Skeeter Skelton once wrote an article in Shooting Times about this kind of situation.
As a law enforcement officer, he had very little regard for "book men", as he called them, who were afraid of using their judgment in unusual circumstances, and always hid behind the regulations to cover their butts.
At the very least, I hope they pay for this in public embarrassment.

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Well here a positive cop story.

Last week my wife and I went to town and the weather was not bad. While we were away the snow started and worse yet, the wind. Unfortunately, our county roads dont get plowed from 6pm to 6am due to budget problems. We hit a patch up ice under a drift that eventually put the vehicle on its side in the ditch. I called 911 asking for assistance and in 5 minutes we had cops, fire, EMTs and a wrecker. By the way no one was hurt. Everyone was extremely courteous and helpful. We had the back of the SUV full of grociers and they were everywhere. The crews helped us gather up all our things even though it was extremely cold and windy. The deputies gave us a ride home as our vehicle wasnt driveable. I was quite impressed, even sent and email to the sheriff recognizing how thankful we were.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Kenton,

Did you hear the story out of Columbus last week where an elderly man was missing from his home. A search started immediately with two helicoptors, at least 4 dog search teams and scores of police officers joining in on the search.

A neighbor found the body 16 hours later 3 doors down in the open.

Knowing what the cost is for 2 helicoptors, dog search teams and gosh knows how much overtime pay, the results are very unacceptable.

I know part of my problem is that I hold the local police force to the same standards as I had in the military. Am I being unfair?

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from shane wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Buckhunter, I'm in full agreement with your posts and sentiments. Especially the bit about the drug dealer going free while the cops bust teenagers. That is a typical and universal theme in seemingly every town.

I think yours should be a fair comparison, but unfortunately it's not. I don't think many cops will live up to military standards at all. Not in physical fitness, in mental fitness, in strength of character, in discipline, bravery, or in the handling of weapons/fire situations. Sure some could and even have, but I think if that was the test, we would have at least 65% of cops fired.

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from sgaredneck wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Carney - big +1 for that!!!
Here's a great B-side for that one - the Twangbangers doing the most awesome version of "Hot Rod Lincoln" ever LIVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSp3SREUOw

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't know what to make of it. Was there any preexisting problem or "history" between your son and the officer? Is this the norm for this department? It would be interesting to hear the officer's side of this traffic stop. Have you had an opportunity to see the police report?

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from kyle wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I do repect police on what they do. I was a volunteer fire fighter for 10 years plan on joining again. Anyways I worked with them years, but there is a few bad apples that can spoil a bunch just like anything else. I agree with Clay, round up as much media you can and tell your story. I surely think the public will be on your side. You have the evidence so take it to court.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It is unfortunate to be sure, you get a few real jerks and it ruins the reputation for everybody. The highway patrol is most always squared away and much more proffesional than local leos. I have several friends that are cops and they share the same frustration when some "know it all" cop runs rough shod all over you.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

There's good cops and bad cops. Unfortunately, you've got yourself some bad ones. Personally, I'd raise holy hell w/the Mayor. I'd do everything in my power to get the media involved, and I would call an attorney. The bad thing with bad cops is that usually they can get away with bad behavior. In this instance, I think you can put a stop to these cops' bad behavior, or at least prove it in a court of law. It's a pain in the ass, and a headache, but if you don't do it, they'll keep their sh*t up. Good luck, I hope you decide to raise hell.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

libertyfirst-
Unfortunately, much more egregious examples of police behaving badly abound in the real world. I would hope you would follow the advice of most of the posters above, and sue them unto the full extent of the law. Unfortunately, in a lot of small municipalities, fear of reprisal will keep your legitimate suit from ever getting to court.

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from country road wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As has been said, there are good cops and bad cops and there are more good than bad, but they all tend to present a unified front to us civilians which lets the bad ones get away with a lot of stuff they shouldn't. In your case, if you try to take action, the story from the cop shop will not in any way resemble what you experienced. There will be a lot of mumbo-jumbo about correct procedure and "We have no record of any such----blah, blah, blah." It will be your word against a whole bunch of cops. Cops have a bad job, but it is their chosen profession and there is no reason for them to do a bad job of a bad job.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

the continuing paramilitarization of local police and their "zero tolerance" policies do nothing for the cause of justice and everything for all departments of governments to justify their existence. more arrests,warranted or not, mean more dollars poured into the system and more statistics to show cause for increasing government payrolls. anyone can be caught up in these nightmares. if we all scream bloody murder about the injustice of it all,maybe sonething will change. see you in jail.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The cops have enough going on, so don't come down too hard on all of them. They are doing a thankless job for a lot of folks who could care less if they live or die. The officer who investigated my truck burglary a week ago in the pouring rain was efficient, understanding, and very courteous to me.

No doubt the are a few bad apples with poor leadership out there that need a little accountability.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

That $300 would have gotten an attorney started and would have been better spent than losing 50% of it to the city. Look in the yellow pages, pick the biggest add and sic 'em on the bad guys.

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from Reddragonccc15 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Here in Mississippi I have encountered many police officers over the years and all of them have been polite and well behaved..even when I got a ticket for seatbelt or speeding...the biggest reason they are so well behaved is because any law abiding citizen can legally be carring a loaded handgun in their vehicle or on their person at any given time,and most of us do!!!
Down here a resident can apply for and get a conceal and carry permit as easily as getting your drivers license and most of us older people always carry a gun anywhere we go...otherwise you risk getting killed or robbed by the bad eliment that premiates this state so badly....

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from kent wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Them smokeys can be crazy sometimes. They call my town a speed trap and it is. These young guns in dodge chargers go tearin around pullin people over for no good reason. Now sometimes they need pulled over but that is rediculis.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

O'brother!

Get you an Attorney and have at it!

They were in fact out of line big time!

First of all, the receipt for paying the fine is a legal document. And from there, they violated your Son's rights!

I'd call FOX News, they would have a field day on this one!

Let the Attorney handle this and make sure they are reputable and willing to fight!

Is a Law Suit at hand?

YOU BET!

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from matt wasson wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I agree with "jerry a" above... if I could not get the "refund" I would also seek legal advice.

I would not run to the paper, I would not over-react, I also "wonder" did your son have any prior's with this person of uniform?

do you live in a small town? or large? this does have an impact, as they may bring "retaleation(sp) to you...

something does not jive...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Edward J. Palumbo has a valid point here and I give him a +1!!!

You have some homework to do my Friend!

Start with you State Department of Transportation commonly known as DOT.

This is what you’re seeking and what your defense is!

Federal Law "DOT" for the operation of Commercial Vehicles, the speedometer accuracy must be within plus or minus 5 mph at 50 mph. In other words, must have the accuracy of plus or minus ten percent

Take a picture of the location of the alleged offense. Keep in mind of any potential hazards or events a vehicle going over 5 mph would cause.

The next two the Judge doesn’t care about and you don’t want to bring up!

1: Accuracy/tolerance of Radar Units moving and stationary.

2: Accuracy of the Speedometer of the Law Enforcement unit.

Bottom Line
All the Officers I know and have worked with only ticket those who are over 10 mph. In other words, the violation would be obvious. 5 mph over such as 30 in a 25 if anything the offender would receive a warning only. Driving in a careless manner would result not in a speeding ticket, but a careless driving citation instead!

What information you have said, makes me believe the Officers were overzealous in their actions!

BUT MOST OF ALL, YOUR SON IS NOW TARGETED AND YOU MUST TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT HIM!

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from 4trx300 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

seems pretty cut and dry guys.the only info the officer had to go by was a pickup or arrest on site command that had been filed. its not their job to sort these things out thats what courts are for.its unfortunate that he wouldnt look at the paperwork but it wouldnt have released him from having to arrest him.instead of arguing with someone about a subject he has no control over i think walking away was a wise choice for the officer.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like the root cause may have been the court clerk not clearing the warrant from NCIC when the case was closed with payment. Get an attorney and go to court or just talk to the court and get it dropped and talk to the mayor and council about the cops behavior. Two sides to every story with kids and cops. Lots of he said, she said.....

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Contact the D.A. and the Mayor how they want their butt handed to them.They will settle it.Been there done that with my daughter.Slimy horndog cop after a lot of the young girls in our area.I think he picks up trash at the beach in the mornings.
The best of luck with your son .

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Sounds like you need a lawyer and to contact the DA as welland possibly the media and City Mayor.

Have you tried to contact the Chief or Sheriff if that's the case?

I agree with Moishe

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

You could also contact the local radio and television stations and let them go to town with the story.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Some COPS think they can do any damn thing they want!

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from jwallen wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The vast majority of Law Enforcement Officers are great people. That said they are human and there will be bad ones. Take it to their supervisors and if you don't get a satisfactory result take it up the chain. It all depends upon how important it is to you. Sometimes it turns into literally thousands of dollars to get satisfaction. The young officer that put his hand on your shoulder probably did you a favor. If you would have followed it could have gone south very quickly. I hope it works out to your satisfaction. When we quit trusting our police we have a problem, when we start fearing our police then we have a huge problem. This may end up before a Judge by the time it is all through. Good luck and give us a post later to let us know how it turned out.

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As stated before by many, get yourself a GOOD atty. It'll cost you, but in the long run its well worth the money. Around here, the cops that are tough to deal with are young ones trying to get a reputation or the Barney Fife type from small towns trying to flex the badge muscles.

As a side note, last summer there were 2 off duty cops, one a state patrolmen, the other a cop from a Columbus suburb, that were picked up for doing 140 mph on I70 on motorcycles. The suburb cop was finally fired but the statie still has his job. The patrolman that pulled them over didnt report it or issue tickets until several days after the initial stop. The TV news got word of this and that when the one was fired....

Its not what you know.... its who you know...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

PS

When you take a picture of the location of the alleged offense, go to other areas were the "Speed Limit" is greater for the same conditions!

What you proving is the inconsistency of application of Speed Limits! I can show you areas where it's 45 mph through a business district and just around the corner no buildings or other intersections zero population it's 30 mph!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Jerry A. is right!

When pulled over, only lower your window about a third of the way down. If the Officer ask you to get out, do so. But before you do, roll up the window and lock the vehicle and place the keys in your pocket. If they ask to search your car, the answer is NO! The bad COPS are going to do what they do best and defending yourself under your rights of a private citizen is now paramount. Even if your not guilty, what you say can and will be twisted around in the court, I guarantee it.

Food for thought!
If you went out of town and during that time something happened. During your trip, you used cash instead of your card showing your location. All the prosecuting Attorney needs is for your schoolfriend or somebody else say, they witness seeing someone who looked like you in the same type of vehicle. Telling the truth cuts both ways! Do not give information without the presence of a Lawyer!

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

First get a lawyer, let him contact the other officials and the media they will pay mor attention to HIM.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&NR=1

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Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related

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4th Amendment Ignored By Indiana Sheriff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQAJgxMIuM&NR=1

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from Steve Marlin wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

Man - that is a crazy story. Makes me want to thank the cops in my town for being easy to work with.

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