There is Hinduism,Buddhism,Judaism,Islam and Christianity.In Chritianty there are many churches of differing views that all claim to be the voice of Christianty and in so doing offends other christians.So within Christianity how would you define yourself,are you the one with the big voice or the soft voice?

If only we could,
Some folks are getting baptized at the boat launch,the newlyweds are fornicating on the point and some politicians have photo op at the fishing pier dedication.

Key words here are "religious organization"

Religion is nothing more than laws, bylaws, rituals, rights of passage to just to name a few.

True Christianity isn't about religion at all, it's about a relationship!

spartan88, you almost said it, your on the right track!

There is a lot of difference in a true Christian and those who claim to be Christians. Faith is not bound to a particular sect, or denomination, an salvation is not ordained through membership to an organization. Some of the finest examples of true Christianity I know have no affiliation with any Church, as such, and if you asked what kind of Christian they are, would only answer,"One who believes in the Bible."

How many of you feel that Christianity is the only religion in the United States that doesn’t get a fair shake? Everywhere I go today I see people having issues with the religion that I grew up with and feel comfortable with.......
Well I can think of a couple other religions that havent been given a fair shake in America or by christianity either...LOL
But anyway The biggest issue is that the majority of christians today do not respect other people in the first place..Respect must be earned not given just because one choses to follow a certin religion...for years and years in this country it was almost unheard of that anyone would out right publicly defy and question the validity of christianity...and or question the self proclaimed authority of the christian church...People are getting smarter and in the last 30 years they are not falling for the myths and fables anymore..and they dont want christians or any other religous people telling them that they have to live their lives according to some set form of religous morality...The basic idea of respect that todays christians is that they want everyone to remain silent and accept their beliefs,they dont want people questioning them and asking for proof of their claims,they dont want people to resist the oppression that christians would and have placed on people in the last 500 years..they want everyone to conform to their views of how life should be lived.....Christianity has been on the decline for decades,as more and more becomes know and people get smarter they begin to drift away from fairtales...just as the Gods of olympus faded into the past when people became smarter and began to question those beliefs and actually realized that there wasnt a bearded old man in the sky throwing lighting bolts down on them....Christianity is headed in the same direction as more and more of its self proclaimed truths are revealed as mear imagination and myths created by primitive minds to account for things they had no knowledge of at the time........and the only reason you feel comfortable with it is because you were taught to be as a child,taught not to question the book of law,taught not to question the church pastor or its elders,this is called indoctrination by the church,,in simple form its brainwashing..
just as parents teach their children about some fat guy in a red suit that brings them toys if they are good...eventually the child grows up enough to realize that ole santa clause is a lie,and that his parents actually lied to him when they always said lying was a sin and it was wrong to ever lie...this in some point throws respect right out the window..how can you have respect for someone that would lie to you......the same is happening with christianity they lied,,always have,,always will..
there is no god in the sky looking down on you,,there is no devil living at the center of the earth that wants for soul,there is no heaven no hell never was never will be...there was no jesus no resuraction and he wont be coming back to take you on a ride in the clouds..,,when you die you are dead its the end.....once you realize that you wont need the religous crutch to get through life......

Point well taken Bella, But I (for one) do not refer to the United States as a Christian nation due to the names of the days of our calendar. I look to the Declaration of Independence.

“…, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,…”

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,”

“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions,”

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

[The last one is not as out-spoken as the rest, but Christian none the less. In theology, Divine Providence, or simply Providence, is God's activity in the world. By implication, it is also a title of God. A distinction is usually made between "general providence" which refers to God's continuous upholding the existence and natural order of the universe, and "special providence" which refers to God's extraordinary intervention in the life of people.]

This document clearly points to a singular God and a monotheistic religion.

“Monotheism is a belief in one personal god. In practice, monotheistic religion tends to stress the existence of one personal god that unifies the universe. The term is applied particularly to Judaism Christianity and Islam, as well as Zoroastrianism. Some eastern religions, notably Vaishava, Saiva, Sikhism, and some Hindu sects, tend to promote the omnipotence of one particular god within the pantheon, and thus display some monotheistic characteristics. Monotheism arose in opposition to polytheism, the belief in many gods. Monism, or nondualism between the physical and the spiritual, presupposes unity but deemphasizes personal monotheism.”

Now, how many of the founding Fathers were Hindu? How many were Islamic? How many were Zoroastrian? How many were Jewish? How many were Christian? I believe the evidence would clearly point to an over-whelming majority (if not 100%) were Christian and our country was founded by Christian with Christian beliefs. No, they were not perfect and screwed it up. Like saying “all men are created equal..’ and then allowing slavery. The action was wrong but the principle was right. And the principle is Christian.

Now the Constitution is not as prolific with the references to one God but if you look closely there is at least one.

“Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven…”
Yeah, I know it’s grasping at straws, but it has some substantial weight when viewed in conjunction with everything else. Plus it is well argued thought academia that the underlying theme of the Constitution, as well as the Bill of Rights, is much more Judeo-Christian than any other religion.

While I am thankful to my Anglo decent for giving us those things that have influenced our lives today (such as the days of the week) I am more thankful for My Jewish descended Lord and Savior. I would also like to add that I have several friends that are Lawyers and they say that it is historically documented that trial by jury originated in ancient Greece.

The Hindus have their sacred cow. The wild mustang horse enjoys the same status in this country. Maybe we ARE crazy.

"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Matthew 7:16

I would like to see less questions about .
1. Religion
2. Politics
3. Sex

All of them should not be a public whipping post.

How can you say that Bella, you and Mike Diehl have been some of the biggest anti christian voices on this website and not just recently, it has been a trend from the beginning.

see a medicine man for a Vision quest?
Why not just visit an herbal shop and pick-up any one of the dozens of north american plants that have been used for centuries as Psychoactive drugs? it would be far cheaper....lol

I never have understood religions that incorporate mind altering narcotics into their practice,many of which always state that no one can understand their religion unless they get doped up with some Psychoactive drug so they can see god and be given divine wisdom and guidence.
I would think that a divine entity who had the power to create an entire universe and all life with in it would atleast have the power to make him/her or its self known to a person without that person having to be stoned out of their mind on drugs..

It May be that those gods who can only be seen in a drug induced vision are not as powerful as people think they are,may be they are not even gods,just figments of a wild imagination set free by mind altering narcotics..

Early Jews,Egyptians,Muslims,Christians,Indians,Hindu's,Buddhist and numerous other religions all used Psychoactive drugs in their practices/rutuals...seems to have been the norm in ancient times,Makes one wonder how accurate their divine writtings, scriptures,written history's,oral history's, miracles, saviors, legends ect. really were if they just happen to set down and begin writting,teaching or passing on oral history while they were stoned out of their minds on drugs...

Today I would think that would be the equivilant of sitting down and listening to the teachings of Benny hinns divine given wisdom just after ole Benny dropped 5 hits of Acid...

Just a couple of comments and/or opinions. Take them for what they are worth..

First, a believer would not watch, support, and find humor in any mockery like 'South Park'. That is one thing wrong with our post modern culture.

While a Christian would not accept the theology of Mohammed and Islam, that believer should not mock them. That is akin to mocking the Devil and the Bible warns against that. Criticizing the so-called Islamic States that threaten our nation and the rest ofthe free world is another matter.

Allowing Americans to tear down our own country in the name of freedom of religion is another insane idea of the liberal left.
JMO

99explorer to get the proper mindset of Christianity, you must first strip away religion and know what religion itself is.

What separates Hinduism,Buddhism,Judaism and Islam from Christianity is simple. You must follow Laws and rituals of Hinduism,Buddhism,Judaism and Islam to get to heaven or the next life. Christianity? Jesus said follow me!

The comedian, Bill Maher, was recently interviewed by Vanity Fair magazine, and he was asked who his favorite fictional character was. He replied, "Jesus of Nazareth."

Wow, Bella, reading your posts about LDS folks reminded me of many of the stereotypes I had heard about them growing up. Its totally different hearing a person formerly "on the inside" speak their minds like you did, and its refreshing.

If there was one cult that I'd really like to see get the same amount of criticism as Christianity,it has got to be a close between race Islam, and Scientology. I say that its close because I think most rational minded people would agree that Islam has become a cause celeb and many influential folks still try to float the lie about Islam being a religion of peace. I'll give them that they have a million different interpretations of their faith, but on the same token, who's telling the truth? The mainstream islamofacists that can't live peacefully with anyother religion or the non-vocal minority that claims to be a victim of radicals who have hijacked their religion. I'd like to see scientology get their tax exempt status revoked only because of a story I read a few years back about a woman who was a scientologist that wanted out, basically being held against her will and when she wanted to talk and tell all, she mysteriously died of meningitis in a Dallas hospital after Scientology lawyers pursuaded the doctors to release her to the church as per her signed power of attorney.

This is a little off the subject, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a website where people talked about and discussed hunting, fishing and the outdoors in general?....LOL just kidding around.

Does Christianity get a bum rap? Yes.

Why? Because it is the largest religion making it the biggest and easiest associated target. This is of course considering you group all denominations. Most all religions have sub-sects such as the Sunni and Shiite Muslims (just to name a couple which we have heard so much about as of late) or the Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana of Buddhism. Plus every group has it’s own numb-nuts (like the Kansas church that protested the funeral) who have screwed it up and pushed people away.

As a Christian it disgusts me to see the so-called church from Kansas do what they do. It is over-the-top, in-your-face, crude, and wrong when they hold up signs that read “God hates Gays” (as well as the other stuff they do). But it is just as over-the-top, in-your-face, crude and wrong to hold a “Gay Pride” parade that flaunts hedonistic men in leather thongs and bondage equipment in the town square for my children and I to see. Like I said, EVERY groups has it’s own A-holes that do the wrong things.

But I would like to sum up Christianity as best I can in this little post. If you disagree that is fine. I’m not judging you, so please don’t judge me. Take it for what it is worth and good luck.

1: We are all equally unrighteous and in desperate need of the redeemer. Me. You, everyone.

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one” Romans 3:10

2: Being a “good person” won’t cut it. I must accept the grace of Jesus’ sacrifice. There is nothing I can possibly DO to gain forgiveness.

“Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

3: It is not meant to be private. But this is the one that gets really messed up. I am to share my faith but in a kind, loving and non-forceful way. I was given the opportunity to accept or reject Christ and I should respect the decision of others as well. But that doesn’t mean I should be hateful or disrespectful. But remaining silent is also a rejection of my beliefs.

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” Matthew 28:19-20

This thread has created quite an issue with me. I can understand that some of you want to discuss Christianity, I prefer fishing and hunting but I see no problem discussing religion. The problem that I have is singling out a religion and attacking someone else’s faith. I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and believe in the Bible and try to follow it’s teachings. I am a Mormon, and I am not alone. I know of at least 4 members of this group that are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints (the formal name of my church). I have been a member of this forum for quite some time, but because of the multiple attacks against my faith I am getting so frustrated that I wonder it if is worth the benefits. I understand that Bella hates my faith, I can deal with that, but most the “facts” she spews are myths or plain lies. I would like to clear the air on a few points that have been mentioned. HeidelbergJaeger, the best way to learn about a faith is to talk to someone that doesn’t loath that group. Ernest Goes Fishing7, there is no Mormon today that has more than one wife. Has not happened for over 100 years, there are people that still practice polygamy but it is strictly forbidden in the church and they are excommunicated for practicing it (I am 100% NOT interested in the practice anyways). I believe in being respectful to every religion, I feel that every human has the right to decide where to place their faith. I believe that I have given all of you the respect that you deserve and would ask you to respect my faith and the faith of every other person on this site. Please leave the criticism of people’s individual faith that they hold dear out of the discussion. I would specifically ask Bella to not bring up her apparent strong feelings about my faith, you hate me and my family and what I believe in, my faith makes me stronger and makes my family better, I am sorry that you feel that you have been wronged. If this nonsense towards Mormons continues, I enjoyed being a part of this forum for the most part and would like to thank everyone for the good information that I have learned and I will participate no longer.

The social issues that "fundamentalists" go on about (whether they are Christian, Muslim, or Jew) are primarily based on sources other than the direct words of Yeshua. Proscriptions on Abortion (or for that matter, prostitution) are Old Testament based or are cited from the writings of mysogynistic men, like Saul/Paul or others, Yeshua's own words cover a wide range of subjects, but not abortion. He told the prostitute to "Go and sin no more". He said nothing about homosexuality at all, although when asked about eunichs He said (Mathew 9:11+12) "There are some who are made Eunichs by man and some who were made eunichs by Nature. Then there are those who make themselves eunichs for the love of God, he that will, let him."
I object to persons claiming their prejudices against women and gays are supported by the words and teachings of Yeshua, when the Great Rabbi says not one word to suggest such prejudices.
Yes such proscriptions are in Leviticus, which is in the Old Testament as commandments to the "children of Israel", but moderns who claim such rules apply to people not of semitic descent forget that there is a whole compendium of law they are ignoring there, just so they can pick and choose the rules they want, this includes the proscription on wearing mixed fibers, eating pork, shellfish or most seafood, as well as the requirement that Widows have to marry their brother-in-laws. If you are going to impose a few choice Levitical rules on me, you had better be willing to obey every last codicil yourself! That means no bacon cheeseburgers for you!
As I have posted I have known and loved some wonderful people who were christians, although I am inclinded to think they would have been every bit as nice had they been Bahai or Parsee (and I do know some very nice Bahai folks and some decent Parsees too).
Yeshua taught people to "love one another" and "turn the other cheek" and to "judge not lest ye be judged" but the strident social critics who call themselves "fundamentalists" seem to forget what Yeshua said. They would rather go out and smite people rather than turn the cheek. I understand the desire to smite what you don't like, but you can't call it "Christianity" unless you are driving the bankers out of the temple, like Yeshua did. I could respect that.
But as I have written before, I am descended of the peoples of the North, not the Levant. Levitical rules are not directed at me, my ancestors had their own rule and laws, which form our system of jurisprudence today. Do you think Yeshua got a jury trial? Hela no! that is a Norse tradition, like democracy itself! And if You, oh Rabbity one spent more time studying the actual words of the guy you claim to follow (and less time reading about genocidal old testament types), you wouldn't post some of the things you do!
My faith prizes Honor and Truth, Courage and Steadfastness. Whenever I find manipulative people who seek to dominate other weaker folk for personal gain I am filled with rightious umbrage. When I see double standards imposed for the benefit of the few I am angered. When I hear of supposed "christians" like Glenn Beck claiming social justice is a code for naziism I get outraged. I try to be honest in all my dealings, because an honest person can see through lies. As I have said, I do try to know what the Divine Will wants me to do and how to act, for myself and my own personal relationship with the Divine. I don't need a book written by anybody else centuries ago to do this, nor do I feel I should need to obey special rules put on persons in another society centuries ago either. If you wanna do so, go ahead (you might even be Jewish like Moishe), But no, your ancestors weren't the boss of mine, so you can't put their laws on me and not have me object strenuously. I LIKE bacon cheeseburgers and oysters too!

Don't get me goin' friend, I already got told to watch what I say about them family wreckin' cultists. Still yer brain can make dopamine even in the cult barn, I did grow up in that friekin' cult and I can tell you all about 'em, including how they play both sides against the middle by having leading senators on both sides of the isle, so they can warp either party to get their way. To my lights, If Father Dreinan had to leave office because of "conflict of interest" than anybody who calls themselves "Reverend" or "priest" or "bishop" or "guru" should stick with spiritual matters and stay the heck out of temporal politics. The Mormons routinely dump boodles of cash into any issue they want their way on (like buying twit Romney's way into the Mass gubenatorial office, at least he had the same sense Sarah Palin did and didn't finish his term).
Ever thought it was funny how Las Vegas is surrounded by Mormon cult barns in Mormon planned suburban developments full of non-gamblin mormon folks who work as dealers, croupiers and pit bosses in those casinos they ain't suppose to fraternize with? Mormonism in a nutshell, right there. Biggest hypocrites on the planet and always ready to screw the "gentiles" for the "prophet". I look forward to the eventual return of Lake Bonneville, it will be the God's own justice to drown SLC so the freikin church police will need aqualungs to patrol Temple Square. I don't care how anybody finds God, or which God they find when they get there, but the lessons the Mormons taught me (in my misspent youth) were bitter, bitter, bitter.
I am just glad that I managed to regain faith in the Divine Will and it's ultimate goodness despite them and what they did to me and my dear family. Nuff said, I still am digestin' my supper.

I like to try to respect everybody who acts respectful to me, because the Law of the Universe is what comes around, goes around.
Ernest everything you wrote in that brief gem of a post is certain to come true!
Is it to be considered "dissing" to relate one's own personal experience, if that experience reflects badly on such an institution as the LDS "church"? I'm certain there are Mormons who would rather I not every mention anything at all about their precious con man inspired cult, lest the neccesary process of the suspension of disbelief be interrupted and they begin to question perhaps this unquestioned devotion they might possess. But I shook off my indoctrination, and hey out there, You can too.
As far as violent Islam goes, I see little difference between Islamic Fundimentalist suicide bombers and the Huttaree. It is offensive to both Allah and YHWH (who are essentially the same Divine Evolution of the Ancient God Yah or El, with a few millenia of cultural overlay-)to pervert scripture to achieve violent ends. Both Islam and Christianity both revere Yeshua (Jesus), just in slightly different viewpoints and with different emphasis. Most monotheistic faiths seem to have a built in intolerance for alternate viewpoints anyway.
WAMThunter, I understand your issue with elements of "the left" imposing "political correctness" and a de-emphasization of Protestantism as a dominant cultural influence. Similarly I object to efforts from the religious Right to impose by Law that with which they cannot obtain compliance with on the grounds of love and respect alone. If a young woman is churchgoing and has social connection to a mainstream Protestant church, she will likely be disposed to comply with the edicts and rules of that institution. Why then should force of Law be applied to force compliance? I think too many personal matters have been become foddor for legislation, when nobody was getting hurt in the first place. But then is the Court system being used to avenge the State or modify behavior.
I tend to be a moderate in most matters, with a few outrigger opinions on either side to keep the metaphorical ship from tipping either side. I tend to believe in moderation, and think moderates should be encouraged, a radical belief itself after the polarization of politics in the last couple decades. There has to be a balance in all things, and that usually means compromise and respecting other peoples opinions.
However I also have difficulty with people ignoring some blatent facts so that they can put across their agenda's on the unwilling. For instance some may maintain that that our Nation was founded on a Christian Model, ignoring the Nordic Viking custom that actually gives us the model for our legislative assembly (the Thing) and our very nordic court system of trial by Jury. Jesus didn't get no jury trial, That comes right out of the Heathan past. After all the names of the Days of the week include Woden's Day, Thor's Day and Freya's Day. Not Markday, Lukeday and Johnday. But people with an agenda will ignore any inconvenient facts to further their notions. Does it Diss Christianity If I merely point out that all you devout christians invoke the names of the Ancient Ones, every time you schedule anything? Remember changing the names of the days of the week has been tried! It never took! Is it a "liberal left thing" to advocate for anything other than muscular evangelical fundimentalism? Wouldn't that tend to suggest that a "religious" organization solely focussed on conveying souls to God might have a temporal agenda? Is it such a liberal thing to distrust such a politically motivated "religious" organization, especially considering my unfortunate experiences with that other Right Wing Cult, the Mormons?
I say hands to work, hearts to God, whatever suits you. But too many church socials and the hay don't get baled.

Whay would we need a King? We have the Potentate and a council of czar's! LOL

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Their is nothing in the 1st Amendment saying the "Separation of Church and State PERIOD!!!"

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all Liberty. I'm a practicing Christian. It's just that I'm not easily offended and I don't really care what anyone else has to say about my faith.

But I do have a bad habit of accidentally posting things twice :)

In the book of Nephi (in the book of Mormon), Nephi is sent back to Jerusalem to obtain a copy of "the holy book" (his older brothers having failed in this task). Nephi finds the High Priest drunk and is instructed to kill the priest with his own sword and steal the "holy book". God supposedly tells Nephi to commit this crime, the excuse being that "it is better for one man to die than a nation perish in disbelief". This is the problem in Mormon "theology". The end is considered to justify the means.
Actually this story only illustrates how ignorant Joseph was about Judaism, he'd obviously never even heard the word "Torah" and the suggestion that a Levite High Priest would even consider parting with the temples Torah is absurd. Then, if the Levite was drunk, then why did he have to be killed? God doesn't usually condone the breaking of His own commandments, why would God do so here? Of course, Dear Babs, you likely never considered this, Mormonism wants you obedient and probably pregnant as well. Questioning the actions of the heros and founders isn't usually done in Mormon Sunday school, one is expected to accept it all without question as "Divinely Inspired". But as the unexamined life is not truly lived, then dogma that cannot stand scrutiny is worthless. God, however you experience Him, is consistent rather than expedient.
So believing in a faith that holds that if God tells you to kill somebody, you should obey without question; Will you kill when "God" tells you? What authority would insure your compliance? If an "Apostle" told you to kill another, would you? How about a member of the "Council of Seventy" or would it take the word of "The Prophet" himself. How would you know that these men aren't schizophrenic? The "Prophet" Brigham ordered the deaths of men, and good Mormons obeyed. The monument at Mountain Meadows stands witness.

The Wednesday-night church service coincided with the last day of hunting season. The pastor asked who had bagged a deer. No one raised a hand. Puzzled, the pastor said, "I don't get it. Last Sunday many of you said you were were unable to make service because of hunting season. I had the whole congregation pray for your deer." One hunter groaned, "Well, it worked. They're all safe."

I'm here to tell everyone, you should check out the crazy dude at deerfear.com. All of these issues are up, and it's just getting started. I'm sure it's going to take on a life of its own.

Hi Bella

One quip to your post a couple up the page. Glen Beck is not a Christian...he is a member of the Cult of Joseph Smith, also refered to as Mormons and / or as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Theye are neither of Christ nor are they saints..... JMHO

A +1 for you Bella!

“Our faith is down. Our churches are emptying. Do you know why? Because our churches don’t stand for anything anymore.”
-Glenn Beck

Notice how Liberals work and how clever they think they are but the interesting fact about Liberals, when it comes to facts and telling the truth they "SIN"! Not the kind of "SIN" everyone knows about but it’s an acronym for what they do when confronted!
“S” is for Shift, they Shift the subject to avoid the truth!
“I” is for Ignore the facts!
and
“N” is for Name Call when they are unable to “S”hift the subject and “I”gnore the facts they automatically default into “N”ame calling!

And the Christians don't have the backbone to standup against them!

Say, where have rabbitpolice88 and Robert Ewing been? Haven't seen them in a while.

Like others have said i believe its bashed on alot cause of other Christians. Were constantly making fun of other types of religions or denominations and i think that has alot to do with it. I believe Jesus lived as a man died on the cross and is coming again someday and is also Gods son. But just cause other people dont believe that doesnt mean i should make fun of them or tear them down. God loves everyone equally and wants us to treat others with respect.

STRANDED ON A DESERT ISLAND

There was a man who was stranded on a desert island for many, many years. One day, while strolling along the beach, he spotted a ship in the distance. This had never happened in all the time he was on the island, so he was very excited about the chance of being rescued.

Immediately, he built a fire on the beach and generated as much smoke as possible. It worked! Soon, the ship was heading his way. When the ship was close enough to the island, a dinghy was dispatched to investigate the situation. The man on the island was overjoyed with the chance to be rescued and met his saviors as they landed.

After some preliminary conversation the man in charge asked the man on the island how he had survived for so many years.
The man replied by telling of his exploits for food and how he was able to make a fine house to live in. In fact, the man said, "You can see my home from here. It's up there on the ridge."

He pointed the men in the direction of his home. They looked up and saw three buildings. They inquired about the building next to the man's house and he proudly replied, "That's my church - I go there to worship on Sundays."

When asked about the third building, the man looked down, shuffled his feet, and quietly said, "That's where I used to go to church."

Yes ableskeever, apparently it was dead until you resurrected it.

Personally I'd rather just go back to talkin' about fishin', basketball, and beer. This religious stuff makes my head hurt.

Margaret Sanger
Founder of Planned Parenthood

In Her Own Words

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

AMEN! Ableskeever, amen!

Bubba

Sayfu, I'm conservative and completely non-religious. Where does that leave me? Please tell me. I need your direction in this matter.

PigHunter

That's good Brother! LOL!

"...the more diverse the leftist base becomes..."

Quite the opposite, Sayfu.
The left views diversity as unacceptable and strives to make all people the same, except themselves, dependant on Gov't for all their needs.

Bubba

Sayfu,
Unfortunately, I don't think liberalism is on its way out. I have friends who are Christians (one of which is a pastor recently out of seminary) who claim to be liberal Christians. They do keep with the family values, yet have been taught to believe that the liberal party is more in line with the teachings of Jesus than the conservatives who they consider hippocrites.

I personally think that the life of an unborn child is much more important that raising a rallying cry for those who are "poor" in this nation. In the U.S. "poor" people still own a car and a couple of color T.V. sets.

When Christians show that they actually understand and follow the teachings of Jesus, I respect that quite a bit, although I am not and have no desire to be christian myself, as I have my own faith. But self-rightious hateful people who use the Bible to excuse their petty prejudices and impose their double standards on others will never get any respect from me, none, NADA. That isn't what the Great Rabbi taught at all. Most of the so-called "christians " I encounter these days believe nothing like the Christ teaches in the Beatitudes, and would rather judge their neighbors than love them. How can anybody respect that. Then there is the fact that I have no respect for those who don't respect me, tit for tat. I know of quite a few self centered pseudochristians who think they are God's Gift to the World and I always chuckle with glee whenever such are humbled.