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Early Bow Seasons, Are They Fair To Rifle Hunters?

Uploaded on June 26, 2009

In my state (Montana) in most of the hunting districts archery seasons open well before the rifle season allowing them the first jump on harvesting animals. With archery hunters having so many more methods of taking already at their disposal (such as baits) are we stacking the odds to heavily in their favor? Should rifle hunters be given the same advantages?

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from 175rltw wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Well archery hunting doesn't allow baiting everywhere for one thing. Also is it fair to the Archery Hunters? I mean with the summer foliage still in full swing, all the bugs etc, and no rut Its very difficult. For instance when the leaves are so thick it can be almost impossible to find a shooting lane. I'm not that serous when I say that- I'm only trying to point out that people will always look at the grass on the other side of the fence. Archery guys (I hunt bow and rifle) could just as easily say, look at our reduced range and percieved killing ability of our platform, the rut should only be open to archery. I don't think its about unfair or other advantages. I think its about the personal reward of our favored methods, and the personal challenges we undertake with the style of hunting we adopt. LOng range hunters get a lot of flack about "that's not even hunting, it's just shooting" Archery guys are often divided ridiculously, as to whether a compound bow should even constitute archery, and God forbid you mention crossbows. I think that we as sportsmen should adopt styles, methods and platforms that we can accept as ethical, and provide the level of personal satisfaction and challenge that we are looking for. Be it rifle, muzzleloader, archery, guided, or unguided.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Absolutely not. The advantage a rifle hunter has is RANGE, and it is considerable. Besides archery numbers (both participation and harvest) are minute compared to gun seasons in most states. Hey, if you can't beat'm...join'm. You'll enjoy it!

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from Big O wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Both 175rltw/steve182 both have the "answer" to this one.
Your compairing "apples" to "oranges" here and it comes down to one thing RANGE. You tell us is 40yds. against 400+ yds "stacking the odds in favor" of one or the other.

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from labrador12 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I love the season in Ak. Aug 1 to Dec 31. As far as I know, you can choose to hunt in whatever way you want. Special seasons are a boon to blackpowder and archery, and crossbow makers but really just complicate the issue. Tell us the parameters of the hunting season and get out of the way. To each his own.

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from huntcamp wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Bow hunting is much tougher to harvest a deer than firearm. Have to be much closer and a lot has to go right. Archery tends not to stir them up like firearms. I love both. It will not work the other way around especially in high hunted areas. After the opening day or 2 of firearm season here in WI deer tend to completely change their habits and almost exclusively turn nocturnal. Even after they settle, they are still highly jumpy and would make archery painfully hard. Which is in itself not all bad, but it is quite hard already.

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from huntcamp wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Bow hunting is much tougher to harvest a deer than firearm. Have to be much closer and a lot has to go right. Archery tends not to stir them up like firearms. I love both. It will not work the other way around especially in high hunted areas. After the opening day or 2 of firearm season here in WI deer tend to completely change their habits and almost exclusively turn nocturnal. Even after they settle, they are still highly jumpy and would make archery painfully hard. Which is in itself not all bad, but it is quite hard already.

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from smallmouthaddict wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I agree with huntcamp once the shooting(with guns)begin and they(the deer) feel all the pressure with all the hunters moving around the deer in michigan are in the thickest stuff they can find and they do not move very much during daylight hours,with bow hunters the deer aren't effected that much,you don't have as many hunters and most bowhunters don't move around when they hunt.As far as range no comparison

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Having done a fair amount of hunting with both venues, I can agree with the crowd, archery is just a different critter. Having the season first is the only reasonable way to have a good chance at a deer before the big pressure comes on during rifle season. As for rifle season, with the range not being an issue, I have never noticed a gun season adversly affected by archery seasons- and by the way, I hunt out west too, so I feel like I have a good comparison for you.

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

No! It is much harder to harvest a deer with a bow than with a rifle. In most states the rifle hunters have the rut taking place and that is obviously the easiest time to harvest a good buck. You don't have the insects to deal with in gun season as mentioned by 175rltw and of course the range restriction. I believe that the early season is a sound game management strategy and a good use of the limited hunting season.

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from rocky d bashaw wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

texas has opened the archery season up for crossbows this year. i dont like it,hunt with bow/arrow or hunt with rifle.

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from lawman328 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

I agree it wouldn't work the other way around, just the sheer number of hunters during gun changes everything. I don't even gun hunt anymore just when I take my kids. The Bow is the real deal, it's almost cheating with a gun. Just Kidding!!!
I haven't expearianced buckfeaver sence I was young, till I started Bowhunting again. I'm a fanatic.
As far as crossbows go I have thought on it for awhile and I would be happy if they could be used during muzzleloader, or by handicaped people during bow. But then again I have a buddy who's whole family uses crossbows and it don't seem to help them any more then using a bow.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

O’you pussy rifle hunters,

grab you a bow and go!!

I get 5 months of hunting that way

YA”BUDDY!!!!

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from NYhunter wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

With a bow you can't shoot out to 100yds with rifles you can shoot out to 1000yds, you can sit on a mountain and shoot deer that are on the other mountian! In bow hunting you have to get realy close , most guys don't shoot past 40yds.
If I were you ,like clay sead get a bow! Bow hunting is much more exciting tha gun hunt'in . Have a great season!!!!!

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from 007 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

I think early archery makes less of an impact than does the early muzzleloading seasons. Archery is usually much more low key.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

YOU SAID IT BROTHER NYhunter!!!

A bunch of crying wimps setting around the television watching things happen while those of us are outdoors making things happen and if you don’t like a bow, get’ya a Cross Bow no shame in that and stop your sniveling!!!!

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

i hunt archery and rifle. and once rifle season comes around i feel i like my gun more because its alot easier to kill something with a rifle. so i would say bow season is completly fair to gun season.

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Seems some people can't hang with us "gettin' close" guys and gals, and are a little jealous?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Stop stuffing your face with pizza and beer, get off the couch and grab a bow!

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

when i was a novice hunter, i was always suspect when the older(more experienced) guys said..."bowhunting is where it's at,..way better". I never believed them or knew what they meant. Now, i agree completely and echo that statement. As you become a more successful(competent?)hunter, it's only natural you'll gravitate toward the purist pursuits. Love it!

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Steve I agree with you, but I still love to shoot things with guns, always will, and won't condescend to non-bowhunters in general. I will only condescend to ones that say that we have some sort of advantage. How ridiculous.

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

OK, well I will condescend to the guys that never shoot anything close, everything is well over 150, 200, more even. If you can't ever get within 100 (or 20, or 10) yards of your prey, you have some considering to do.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Agreed! shooting a buck with a rifle at 30 yds is an indescribable rush. Love it. I get a little more personal fulfillment though when it's with my bow. Both are great fun.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

here in Mississippi, the bow season start Oct. 1, and it is still HOT. I've been bowhunting the past few years, but haven't taken anything with it yet. It is just hard to get out there as hot as it is and just sit there.

now, when rifle season opens up in mid-November, i do get out there more often. I hunt with a Marlin .30-30 most of the time, and shots of 100 yards are few and far between. Most of my kills come from 50 yards or less. Mainly because i know where the deer travel on the land i hunt, so i can set up close to their main avenues of travel. That doesn't necessarily mean i always get a good shot, but i do get a chance to take the shot.

as far as baiting goes, a new law was passed just two years ago. you can set up feeders, but cannot hunt within 100 yards of them, and cannot be within sight of them either.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

If you don't like it, grab a BOW or XB!

I enjoy Archery!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Hunting with Archery equipment makes you a better rifle hunter!

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

I hate to be the contrarian here, but if the archery season were to run concurrently with the general gun season, I doubt there would be many bowhunters in the woods. Their entire reason for being is to get the jump on the gun hunters. A contrary opinion does not warrant a bad comment rap. This is a valid comment.

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from 175rltw wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Well archery hunting doesn't allow baiting everywhere for one thing. Also is it fair to the Archery Hunters? I mean with the summer foliage still in full swing, all the bugs etc, and no rut Its very difficult. For instance when the leaves are so thick it can be almost impossible to find a shooting lane. I'm not that serous when I say that- I'm only trying to point out that people will always look at the grass on the other side of the fence. Archery guys (I hunt bow and rifle) could just as easily say, look at our reduced range and percieved killing ability of our platform, the rut should only be open to archery. I don't think its about unfair or other advantages. I think its about the personal reward of our favored methods, and the personal challenges we undertake with the style of hunting we adopt. LOng range hunters get a lot of flack about "that's not even hunting, it's just shooting" Archery guys are often divided ridiculously, as to whether a compound bow should even constitute archery, and God forbid you mention crossbows. I think that we as sportsmen should adopt styles, methods and platforms that we can accept as ethical, and provide the level of personal satisfaction and challenge that we are looking for. Be it rifle, muzzleloader, archery, guided, or unguided.

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from Big O wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Both 175rltw/steve182 both have the "answer" to this one.
Your compairing "apples" to "oranges" here and it comes down to one thing RANGE. You tell us is 40yds. against 400+ yds "stacking the odds in favor" of one or the other.

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from huntcamp wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Bow hunting is much tougher to harvest a deer than firearm. Have to be much closer and a lot has to go right. Archery tends not to stir them up like firearms. I love both. It will not work the other way around especially in high hunted areas. After the opening day or 2 of firearm season here in WI deer tend to completely change their habits and almost exclusively turn nocturnal. Even after they settle, they are still highly jumpy and would make archery painfully hard. Which is in itself not all bad, but it is quite hard already.

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from labrador12 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I love the season in Ak. Aug 1 to Dec 31. As far as I know, you can choose to hunt in whatever way you want. Special seasons are a boon to blackpowder and archery, and crossbow makers but really just complicate the issue. Tell us the parameters of the hunting season and get out of the way. To each his own.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Absolutely not. The advantage a rifle hunter has is RANGE, and it is considerable. Besides archery numbers (both participation and harvest) are minute compared to gun seasons in most states. Hey, if you can't beat'm...join'm. You'll enjoy it!

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

No! It is much harder to harvest a deer with a bow than with a rifle. In most states the rifle hunters have the rut taking place and that is obviously the easiest time to harvest a good buck. You don't have the insects to deal with in gun season as mentioned by 175rltw and of course the range restriction. I believe that the early season is a sound game management strategy and a good use of the limited hunting season.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

O’you pussy rifle hunters,

grab you a bow and go!!

I get 5 months of hunting that way

YA”BUDDY!!!!

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from NYhunter wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

With a bow you can't shoot out to 100yds with rifles you can shoot out to 1000yds, you can sit on a mountain and shoot deer that are on the other mountian! In bow hunting you have to get realy close , most guys don't shoot past 40yds.
If I were you ,like clay sead get a bow! Bow hunting is much more exciting tha gun hunt'in . Have a great season!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Stop stuffing your face with pizza and beer, get off the couch and grab a bow!

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from huntcamp wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Bow hunting is much tougher to harvest a deer than firearm. Have to be much closer and a lot has to go right. Archery tends not to stir them up like firearms. I love both. It will not work the other way around especially in high hunted areas. After the opening day or 2 of firearm season here in WI deer tend to completely change their habits and almost exclusively turn nocturnal. Even after they settle, they are still highly jumpy and would make archery painfully hard. Which is in itself not all bad, but it is quite hard already.

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from smallmouthaddict wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I agree with huntcamp once the shooting(with guns)begin and they(the deer) feel all the pressure with all the hunters moving around the deer in michigan are in the thickest stuff they can find and they do not move very much during daylight hours,with bow hunters the deer aren't effected that much,you don't have as many hunters and most bowhunters don't move around when they hunt.As far as range no comparison

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

Having done a fair amount of hunting with both venues, I can agree with the crowd, archery is just a different critter. Having the season first is the only reasonable way to have a good chance at a deer before the big pressure comes on during rifle season. As for rifle season, with the range not being an issue, I have never noticed a gun season adversly affected by archery seasons- and by the way, I hunt out west too, so I feel like I have a good comparison for you.

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from lawman328 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

I agree it wouldn't work the other way around, just the sheer number of hunters during gun changes everything. I don't even gun hunt anymore just when I take my kids. The Bow is the real deal, it's almost cheating with a gun. Just Kidding!!!
I haven't expearianced buckfeaver sence I was young, till I started Bowhunting again. I'm a fanatic.
As far as crossbows go I have thought on it for awhile and I would be happy if they could be used during muzzleloader, or by handicaped people during bow. But then again I have a buddy who's whole family uses crossbows and it don't seem to help them any more then using a bow.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

I think early archery makes less of an impact than does the early muzzleloading seasons. Archery is usually much more low key.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

YOU SAID IT BROTHER NYhunter!!!

A bunch of crying wimps setting around the television watching things happen while those of us are outdoors making things happen and if you don’t like a bow, get’ya a Cross Bow no shame in that and stop your sniveling!!!!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from GiantWhitetails wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

i hunt archery and rifle. and once rifle season comes around i feel i like my gun more because its alot easier to kill something with a rifle. so i would say bow season is completly fair to gun season.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

when i was a novice hunter, i was always suspect when the older(more experienced) guys said..."bowhunting is where it's at,..way better". I never believed them or knew what they meant. Now, i agree completely and echo that statement. As you become a more successful(competent?)hunter, it's only natural you'll gravitate toward the purist pursuits. Love it!

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Steve I agree with you, but I still love to shoot things with guns, always will, and won't condescend to non-bowhunters in general. I will only condescend to ones that say that we have some sort of advantage. How ridiculous.

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

OK, well I will condescend to the guys that never shoot anything close, everything is well over 150, 200, more even. If you can't ever get within 100 (or 20, or 10) yards of your prey, you have some considering to do.

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from shane wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Seems some people can't hang with us "gettin' close" guys and gals, and are a little jealous?

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

Agreed! shooting a buck with a rifle at 30 yds is an indescribable rush. Love it. I get a little more personal fulfillment though when it's with my bow. Both are great fun.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

here in Mississippi, the bow season start Oct. 1, and it is still HOT. I've been bowhunting the past few years, but haven't taken anything with it yet. It is just hard to get out there as hot as it is and just sit there.

now, when rifle season opens up in mid-November, i do get out there more often. I hunt with a Marlin .30-30 most of the time, and shots of 100 yards are few and far between. Most of my kills come from 50 yards or less. Mainly because i know where the deer travel on the land i hunt, so i can set up close to their main avenues of travel. That doesn't necessarily mean i always get a good shot, but i do get a chance to take the shot.

as far as baiting goes, a new law was passed just two years ago. you can set up feeders, but cannot hunt within 100 yards of them, and cannot be within sight of them either.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

If you don't like it, grab a BOW or XB!

I enjoy Archery!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

Hunting with Archery equipment makes you a better rifle hunter!

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

I hate to be the contrarian here, but if the archery season were to run concurrently with the general gun season, I doubt there would be many bowhunters in the woods. Their entire reason for being is to get the jump on the gun hunters. A contrary opinion does not warrant a bad comment rap. This is a valid comment.

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from rocky d bashaw wrote 2 years 28 weeks ago

texas has opened the archery season up for crossbows this year. i dont like it,hunt with bow/arrow or hunt with rifle.

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