What's It Worth?
just for what its worth...
if you give someone a -1...then you should explain why and for your reasoning..
I care less about points so I will take hits all day long, but just to disagree with no reason, and you did not like what they wrote..with no explanation of why you disagree.. I don't know..seems.. well, weak.
Idiotic posts deserve plus's or minus's as an indicator of whether they are good or bad. I usually refrain from giving minus 1's except to the really bad ones. Just takes the page longer to reload and not worth my time. I agree with what you are saying.
Some responses are so arcane that no explanation is required. I have never given minuses solely because I did not agree with someone's opinion.
Agreed, I always state what I believe and why I believe it, I never give someone a minus without an explenation. If only the liberals on this site would do that!
The times I will give a -1 are if:
a)the poster of said remark is exhibiting extreme dumbazz behavior
b)the post was beyond stupid and completely missed the point of the question
c)the post had some sort of plug for a commercial website or business - my philosophy is BUY AN AD or leave it off. This reduces your credibility.
d)the poster advocates something illegal or immoral
There have been lots of posts I strongly disagreed with, but did NOT dock them because I want to see discourse. Good honest debate with give & take is good. There have even been times where somebody put something down and they already had red ink - and I +1'd them on the principle that they were standing tough for what they believed - even when it was something I was not 100% with.
principle...(s) I thought those went by the way side????????
There are certain "third rails" that will earn you a -1 for just posting a comment. Some that come to mind are; disagreeing with one of F&S's writers on the Blogs, handguns for personal defense, suggesting that baiting isn't really hunting, dislike of Obama. The -1's will be a drive-by. Just another reason to not give a hoot about points.
Speaking of principles, I wonder who is the common denominator in dumbaxe posts on the blog than inevitably end up with a peeing contest? Could it be our busy body self-proclaimed expert at everything Alpha to Omega?
thats a good one dave.. a drive by of -1 due to how I made you feel about what your doing wrong when you present it to the class.. like baiting.. thats funny and the principle.. of explaining.. maybe we should send them to the principal get it 2 differing princ pal/ple haha
There are some that i can peafully agree to diagree with on this site but they is 1 and i atate 1 that is in a parrell universe with me.Maybe not you but some of his stuff is coming from another personality,I feel that it detracts from the well being of this site,I have at tie said hell with it I don't have to deal with such an anal individual.But why should everybody else have to leave because of one ,I can deal with juvienile questions all day just not insulted by anal physcopath who know everything under the moon.
this is going the wrong way...I too see a pattern( per post from wam/outlaw), but hey it is, what it is... ya know alabama/wam
I just see -1 on stuff and think..well why? or a neg vote on a picture?? again why?? I know the cbyer world protects its user to a degree, but as sportsmen/women shoudl we not stand for what we do? a validation of sorts...
oh I can p## really far! I drink cranberry juice!
The whole point system makes too many people compete for points when they need to be sharing intelligent conversation and tips. Honestly, I will actually take more time to read what a - rating had to say just to see what the hubub was all about. If there is something that is really wrong or off color with a comment, then a click on "REPORT" may be a better choice. Just my $0.02 worth.
matt w.
i agree on the vote / point deal. Why bother? Outlaw is right. There are some idiotic posts that deserve a good speed slapping, not a -1. F&S will do nothing unless a remark is racist or worse. Report is a useless tab.
no report is good, when I first joined I got outraged at the swearing and extreme offensive remarks... the site needs some work, but that is neither here nor there.. I see your points WAM, I do, really.. I guess I want more people to validate their reasoning, ya know? have a great day EVERYbody.
I give +1 to the post's I agree with and -1 only if someone is using a lot of bad language, I mean swearing. I hardly ever "thumbs down" anyone. I've think some poster's give -1 to people they don't like even if they made a great post. I think F&S should get rid of the points, that would stop alot of bad posting and immature people from coming on here.
If anyone is advising to do somehting agaisnt the law they will get a -1 from me. If someone is making fun of another person (for poor spelling or being misinformed) I will give them a -1. On one forum I am a part of for my motorcycle you have to type in a reason for giving "good gas" and "bad gas". This way people know why they are getting positive feedback and negative feedback. Personally I really enjoy that system.
It don't bother me anymore. If they want to give me a -1 for shareing pictures with others on what I am interested in fine by me. I rarely rarely give -1s. The only time I do is for the questions and answers that are so out of whack, well you know which ones Im talking about. If it was a honest answer and I don't agree with it 100%, I don't put -1 down but I always try to see it from their point of view. I know antis do get on and you know what happens. But, on pictures, I really think its uncall for to put -1s. I mean they just pictures.
Repectfully kyle
When I get a -1 I take a careful look at my post. Almost always it has been for some point of view differences not offensive content, etc. It doesn't bother me when that happens but it sure sends a message about the maturity of person(s) who do that sort of thing. A very few times I have noted that my post was probably not as appropriate as it could have been. But never anything sexist, racist, or abusive. That's not me. Anyway, I do look at the minuses and pluses, mostly to judge my own behavior. Unlike some individuals (who will remain nameless, but probably shouldn't), what others think of me means a lot.
ohh
I see your points.
I too do not want to see/read anything that would be illegal/unsafe or un educated (rascist..etc..)
I do like what your saying as use of your own judge of behaviors.
As with the lines of "maturity" I wonder if "fake names" have logged on to create havioc? And as that info from the question side, i.e. online editors posting... and with the WAM saying adios' I wonder will this be the nail in the coffin for many others...points, no points, I enjoy the time I get online, but it too is wearing on me... but as you know with history, it does repeat itself.
A difference of opinion doesn't upset, or draw bad marks, from me.
I do have a habit of giving +s to opinions that match mine.
I most often give out -s for those responses that either didn't read, or ignore the real question... i.e.:
Q: I'm getting either a Ruger or a Winchester. Which one?
A: Buy a Norinco!
That's a minus in my book. And no, I don't think someone should explain every mark they give. That would clutter up everything even more.
I've noticed that I will get minuses when my post may be similar to others that get plussed. Also, I will regularly get minused if my post runs against the conservative grain. I don't have a problem with that. I just see it as a way certain participants express their disagreement with my position. If anything getting a minus is great in that you know you have stirred a reaction and a response, thus an interaction. And, that is what a forum is for.
nice response Dakatah Dan.
matt wasson
The 'adios' I implied was "Adios MF" to the bickering and BS from our WAR hero! If I unass the blog it will certainly not be announced! Ha Ha!
L8R
O.H.- the only -1 I know of that I have received is because I thought something was not done ethically. So I feel that was a bogus reason. However, I have also received +1 for saying nothing of value. In the end it all cancels out and I could care less about my points. Just because I have x#of stars does not mean I know anything or am more helpful than the next person.
Agreed ...We have some snipers out there that just hit and run no explanation.
I disagree with people and even if I respond to it I only minus if they are just full of it.
However I've taken hits many a time without justification
again the refernce of drive by/sniper I love it. Ya know, I never plus myself, but I love giving the message board a nice plus vote, it makes me feel, well good, not like bobcats tampon thing though..that made me feel,,well kinda weird, even though I been using them as scent dispenser since 1987. Oh and ya know what else.. I kinda like getting the neg 1's now, it makes me feel good, that someone else didnt get it... see like the ... does anyone know what the ... means and no its not DOT DOT DOT... peace!
I like spartan88's other site that has the theme with it. We should have either a "hit" or a "miss" button instead of "Yes" or "No". Also, if you see how many of each are given, then you can see if a lot of people agree with you and disagree with you or if only one or two people have any opinion at all. I could see that as more helpful.
Matt, the "..." is an elipse. Typically, an elipse is used when quoting someone. It means the writer is leaving something out that was in the original quote. An elipse can also be used to effect a pause in a dialogue.
OHH your Awesome.
ableskeever, I too thought that bad/good gas was a great idea. Hit or miss, that can be related to many a fish/hunt episode or adventure, GREAT idea.
right on!
Just got another one for no reason.
spartan88
Don't sweat it. There are some childish characters on here that do it just to irritate you or get a rise out of you.
-1 or +1, Who really cares? No real skin off your nose, for sure no money out of your pocket! There are a couple of posters on here that will hit the Neg 1 on me just as soon as they see my name, and I have learned that they are mental midgets and usually dead wrong in their opinions. They do not agree with me, QED, they must be wrong. The only time I even bothered to look at Neg/Pos ratings was when Holly A. Heyser got her panties in a wad over the Boothe Babes. I'm sure several posters logged on under several different names just to mark me down. People were flocking to the blog like flies on a gut pile, never seen before or since. Don't sweat it guys, -1s are easily recovered from with a dash of Campho Phenique and a band aid!
crm3006, no band aids for me, I like my medicine from a 12oz can or bottle hahahahhahahahh thats a joke son, a joke, not really its friday so momma says I can hve no more then 4-6 but has to be at home. Even better I say, but no tonight, I'm going out for the dogs! take care all, and what a great meassage board, Thanks! Peace to you all, even you WAM! you old timer!
You too, matt! Have a good 'un!
"PEACE; a state which is otained through superior firepower or liberal application of HE."
WA Mtnhunter-
Superior firepower or liberal application of HE? What's the difference? 105's, 155's, 81's, 4.2's, etc.....
Woops, fat fingered it s/b "attained" LOL
Difference? Effectively none!
Let's all just visualize a "plus one" world!
True confessions:
I always plus one my own post.
Sometimes I mean to "minus one" a post, but I am so used to "plus one-ing" that I hit the "yes" button instead of the "no" button. I question the significance of my life in those moments...
Carney, you crack me up! LOL
I suppose if you didn't think yours was a good post in the first place, you wouldn't have posted it. Given that, a plus 1 is in order!
There are a couple of guys on this site that I'm sure are fine fellows, but by their own estimation are superior in intellect to the rest of us and some of us find their posts just a little dismissive and condescending. Therefore, they draw their fair share of -1's. There are a few whose politics are in opposition to their, and our, preferred recreational activities, yet they seem compelled to express those conflicting points of view as is their right. It should then come as no surprise that those views that are in opposition to our outdoor lifestyle get hit with -1's. Everyone has the freedom of speech regardless of the popularity of the topic. And -1's are in themselves a form of protected speech, just as is a cat-call or boo and hiss during an unpopular address.
Sourdough, look at your own post. That seems dismissive, condescending and condemming. You may or may not be pointing your pen at me, but you write as if there is an 'us vs them' dynamic operating here at the F&S site. What politics are in opposition to our preferred recreational activities? You've gone from stating earlier on this thread that you "don't give a hoot about points" to now implying that you use '-1s' as a way to boo or hiss opinions you disagree with. So, I guess '-1s' and trying to limit points is a way to punish unpopular opinions. I am surprised that you are now making that argument. The majority of the opinions on this thread seemed to support your previous stand, that '-1s' are better used to point out off the wall and dumbazz remarks and behaviors (thanks squaredneck), rather than slapping at opinions you disagree with. I'm glad we share many outdoor interests and that we have this forum, a place where we can discuss and debate and laugh about anything under the sun. We are diverse, and if we weren't this would be one boring web site.
As in any theater of public discourse the audience will express their emotional response to that which plays out before them. Consider a +1 as clapping and a -1 as a boo and hiss. And yes, I will play my role without regard for points because as stated above I just don't give a hoot about points. Opinions, we all have them, some are popular around the campfire and others aren't.
Hey! Who minus oned me? Darn it! I need those points!
Hey! I'll give you one if you don't stop bellyaching about those points! LMAO :-)
here's more. heheheh
The negatives don't bother me because I lose points they bother me becase that negative red number makes it look like your post is worse than it is. I feel some people wot take it seriously with a negative, yes this is ridiculous but it may hold some validity. Because I feel this way when I see people with negative by their post I give a plus 1 unless it truely is deserving a negtive. I would be more okay with the plus minus if no one could see what you have next to your post because some people will just jump on a flame bandwagon. Just my $0.02 from what I have been seeing the past day or two.
I don't have a problem with -1's as long as somebody has a reason, however bogus that reason may be. But I don't understand thumbs down on pictures. I have a handful of pictures with thumbs down I don't know why. If you say it is a 30" fish and it is 15" I can somewhat understand but blanket the thumbs down is retarded.
I don't have a problem with people giving out -1's without an explanation - usually it's not too difficult to figure out why.
There have been occasions, however, where I've seen posts, or photos, that have been given -1's and it's not obvious why - in those situations I think it does make sense to include a comment that explains your thinking.
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Idiotic posts deserve plus's or minus's as an indicator of whether they are good or bad. I usually refrain from giving minus 1's except to the really bad ones. Just takes the page longer to reload and not worth my time. I agree with what you are saying.
Some responses are so arcane that no explanation is required. I have never given minuses solely because I did not agree with someone's opinion.
The times I will give a -1 are if:
a)the poster of said remark is exhibiting extreme dumbazz behavior
b)the post was beyond stupid and completely missed the point of the question
c)the post had some sort of plug for a commercial website or business - my philosophy is BUY AN AD or leave it off. This reduces your credibility.
d)the poster advocates something illegal or immoral
There have been lots of posts I strongly disagreed with, but did NOT dock them because I want to see discourse. Good honest debate with give & take is good. There have even been times where somebody put something down and they already had red ink - and I +1'd them on the principle that they were standing tough for what they believed - even when it was something I was not 100% with.
A difference of opinion doesn't upset, or draw bad marks, from me.
I do have a habit of giving +s to opinions that match mine.
I most often give out -s for those responses that either didn't read, or ignore the real question... i.e.:
Q: I'm getting either a Ruger or a Winchester. Which one?
A: Buy a Norinco!
That's a minus in my book. And no, I don't think someone should explain every mark they give. That would clutter up everything even more.
Agreed, I always state what I believe and why I believe it, I never give someone a minus without an explenation. If only the liberals on this site would do that!
Sourdough, look at your own post. That seems dismissive, condescending and condemming. You may or may not be pointing your pen at me, but you write as if there is an 'us vs them' dynamic operating here at the F&S site. What politics are in opposition to our preferred recreational activities? You've gone from stating earlier on this thread that you "don't give a hoot about points" to now implying that you use '-1s' as a way to boo or hiss opinions you disagree with. So, I guess '-1s' and trying to limit points is a way to punish unpopular opinions. I am surprised that you are now making that argument. The majority of the opinions on this thread seemed to support your previous stand, that '-1s' are better used to point out off the wall and dumbazz remarks and behaviors (thanks squaredneck), rather than slapping at opinions you disagree with. I'm glad we share many outdoor interests and that we have this forum, a place where we can discuss and debate and laugh about anything under the sun. We are diverse, and if we weren't this would be one boring web site.
Agreed ...We have some snipers out there that just hit and run no explanation.
I disagree with people and even if I respond to it I only minus if they are just full of it.
However I've taken hits many a time without justification
-1 or +1, Who really cares? No real skin off your nose, for sure no money out of your pocket! There are a couple of posters on here that will hit the Neg 1 on me just as soon as they see my name, and I have learned that they are mental midgets and usually dead wrong in their opinions. They do not agree with me, QED, they must be wrong. The only time I even bothered to look at Neg/Pos ratings was when Holly A. Heyser got her panties in a wad over the Boothe Babes. I'm sure several posters logged on under several different names just to mark me down. People were flocking to the blog like flies on a gut pile, never seen before or since. Don't sweat it guys, -1s are easily recovered from with a dash of Campho Phenique and a band aid!
Hey! Who minus oned me? Darn it! I need those points!
The negatives don't bother me because I lose points they bother me becase that negative red number makes it look like your post is worse than it is. I feel some people wot take it seriously with a negative, yes this is ridiculous but it may hold some validity. Because I feel this way when I see people with negative by their post I give a plus 1 unless it truely is deserving a negtive. I would be more okay with the plus minus if no one could see what you have next to your post because some people will just jump on a flame bandwagon. Just my $0.02 from what I have been seeing the past day or two.
There are certain "third rails" that will earn you a -1 for just posting a comment. Some that come to mind are; disagreeing with one of F&S's writers on the Blogs, handguns for personal defense, suggesting that baiting isn't really hunting, dislike of Obama. The -1's will be a drive-by. Just another reason to not give a hoot about points.
Speaking of principles, I wonder who is the common denominator in dumbaxe posts on the blog than inevitably end up with a peeing contest? Could it be our busy body self-proclaimed expert at everything Alpha to Omega?
thats a good one dave.. a drive by of -1 due to how I made you feel about what your doing wrong when you present it to the class.. like baiting.. thats funny and the principle.. of explaining.. maybe we should send them to the principal get it 2 differing princ pal/ple haha
The whole point system makes too many people compete for points when they need to be sharing intelligent conversation and tips. Honestly, I will actually take more time to read what a - rating had to say just to see what the hubub was all about. If there is something that is really wrong or off color with a comment, then a click on "REPORT" may be a better choice. Just my $0.02 worth.
I give +1 to the post's I agree with and -1 only if someone is using a lot of bad language, I mean swearing. I hardly ever "thumbs down" anyone. I've think some poster's give -1 to people they don't like even if they made a great post. I think F&S should get rid of the points, that would stop alot of bad posting and immature people from coming on here.
I've noticed that I will get minuses when my post may be similar to others that get plussed. Also, I will regularly get minused if my post runs against the conservative grain. I don't have a problem with that. I just see it as a way certain participants express their disagreement with my position. If anything getting a minus is great in that you know you have stirred a reaction and a response, thus an interaction. And, that is what a forum is for.
There are a couple of guys on this site that I'm sure are fine fellows, but by their own estimation are superior in intellect to the rest of us and some of us find their posts just a little dismissive and condescending. Therefore, they draw their fair share of -1's. There are a few whose politics are in opposition to their, and our, preferred recreational activities, yet they seem compelled to express those conflicting points of view as is their right. It should then come as no surprise that those views that are in opposition to our outdoor lifestyle get hit with -1's. Everyone has the freedom of speech regardless of the popularity of the topic. And -1's are in themselves a form of protected speech, just as is a cat-call or boo and hiss during an unpopular address.
principle...(s) I thought those went by the way side????????
There are some that i can peafully agree to diagree with on this site but they is 1 and i atate 1 that is in a parrell universe with me.Maybe not you but some of his stuff is coming from another personality,I feel that it detracts from the well being of this site,I have at tie said hell with it I don't have to deal with such an anal individual.But why should everybody else have to leave because of one ,I can deal with juvienile questions all day just not insulted by anal physcopath who know everything under the moon.
this is going the wrong way...I too see a pattern( per post from wam/outlaw), but hey it is, what it is... ya know alabama/wam
I just see -1 on stuff and think..well why? or a neg vote on a picture?? again why?? I know the cbyer world protects its user to a degree, but as sportsmen/women shoudl we not stand for what we do? a validation of sorts...
oh I can p## really far! I drink cranberry juice!
matt w.
i agree on the vote / point deal. Why bother? Outlaw is right. There are some idiotic posts that deserve a good speed slapping, not a -1. F&S will do nothing unless a remark is racist or worse. Report is a useless tab.
If anyone is advising to do somehting agaisnt the law they will get a -1 from me. If someone is making fun of another person (for poor spelling or being misinformed) I will give them a -1. On one forum I am a part of for my motorcycle you have to type in a reason for giving "good gas" and "bad gas". This way people know why they are getting positive feedback and negative feedback. Personally I really enjoy that system.
It don't bother me anymore. If they want to give me a -1 for shareing pictures with others on what I am interested in fine by me. I rarely rarely give -1s. The only time I do is for the questions and answers that are so out of whack, well you know which ones Im talking about. If it was a honest answer and I don't agree with it 100%, I don't put -1 down but I always try to see it from their point of view. I know antis do get on and you know what happens. But, on pictures, I really think its uncall for to put -1s. I mean they just pictures.
Repectfully kyle
When I get a -1 I take a careful look at my post. Almost always it has been for some point of view differences not offensive content, etc. It doesn't bother me when that happens but it sure sends a message about the maturity of person(s) who do that sort of thing. A very few times I have noted that my post was probably not as appropriate as it could have been. But never anything sexist, racist, or abusive. That's not me. Anyway, I do look at the minuses and pluses, mostly to judge my own behavior. Unlike some individuals (who will remain nameless, but probably shouldn't), what others think of me means a lot.
O.H.- the only -1 I know of that I have received is because I thought something was not done ethically. So I feel that was a bogus reason. However, I have also received +1 for saying nothing of value. In the end it all cancels out and I could care less about my points. Just because I have x#of stars does not mean I know anything or am more helpful than the next person.
again the refernce of drive by/sniper I love it. Ya know, I never plus myself, but I love giving the message board a nice plus vote, it makes me feel, well good, not like bobcats tampon thing though..that made me feel,,well kinda weird, even though I been using them as scent dispenser since 1987. Oh and ya know what else.. I kinda like getting the neg 1's now, it makes me feel good, that someone else didnt get it... see like the ... does anyone know what the ... means and no its not DOT DOT DOT... peace!
I like spartan88's other site that has the theme with it. We should have either a "hit" or a "miss" button instead of "Yes" or "No". Also, if you see how many of each are given, then you can see if a lot of people agree with you and disagree with you or if only one or two people have any opinion at all. I could see that as more helpful.
Matt, the "..." is an elipse. Typically, an elipse is used when quoting someone. It means the writer is leaving something out that was in the original quote. An elipse can also be used to effect a pause in a dialogue.
spartan88
Don't sweat it. There are some childish characters on here that do it just to irritate you or get a rise out of you.
crm3006, no band aids for me, I like my medicine from a 12oz can or bottle hahahahhahahahh thats a joke son, a joke, not really its friday so momma says I can hve no more then 4-6 but has to be at home. Even better I say, but no tonight, I'm going out for the dogs! take care all, and what a great meassage board, Thanks! Peace to you all, even you WAM! you old timer!
You too, matt! Have a good 'un!
"PEACE; a state which is otained through superior firepower or liberal application of HE."
WA Mtnhunter-
Superior firepower or liberal application of HE? What's the difference? 105's, 155's, 81's, 4.2's, etc.....
Woops, fat fingered it s/b "attained" LOL
Difference? Effectively none!
Let's all just visualize a "plus one" world!
Carney, you crack me up! LOL
I suppose if you didn't think yours was a good post in the first place, you wouldn't have posted it. Given that, a plus 1 is in order!
As in any theater of public discourse the audience will express their emotional response to that which plays out before them. Consider a +1 as clapping and a -1 as a boo and hiss. And yes, I will play my role without regard for points because as stated above I just don't give a hoot about points. Opinions, we all have them, some are popular around the campfire and others aren't.
Hey! I'll give you one if you don't stop bellyaching about those points! LMAO :-)
here's more. heheheh
no report is good, when I first joined I got outraged at the swearing and extreme offensive remarks... the site needs some work, but that is neither here nor there.. I see your points WAM, I do, really.. I guess I want more people to validate their reasoning, ya know? have a great day EVERYbody.
ohh
I see your points.
I too do not want to see/read anything that would be illegal/unsafe or un educated (rascist..etc..)
I do like what your saying as use of your own judge of behaviors.
As with the lines of "maturity" I wonder if "fake names" have logged on to create havioc? And as that info from the question side, i.e. online editors posting... and with the WAM saying adios' I wonder will this be the nail in the coffin for many others...points, no points, I enjoy the time I get online, but it too is wearing on me... but as you know with history, it does repeat itself.
nice response Dakatah Dan.
matt wasson
The 'adios' I implied was "Adios MF" to the bickering and BS from our WAR hero! If I unass the blog it will certainly not be announced! Ha Ha!
L8R
OHH your Awesome.
ableskeever, I too thought that bad/good gas was a great idea. Hit or miss, that can be related to many a fish/hunt episode or adventure, GREAT idea.
right on!
Just got another one for no reason.
True confessions:
I always plus one my own post.
Sometimes I mean to "minus one" a post, but I am so used to "plus one-ing" that I hit the "yes" button instead of the "no" button. I question the significance of my life in those moments...
I don't have a problem with -1's as long as somebody has a reason, however bogus that reason may be. But I don't understand thumbs down on pictures. I have a handful of pictures with thumbs down I don't know why. If you say it is a 30" fish and it is 15" I can somewhat understand but blanket the thumbs down is retarded.
I don't have a problem with people giving out -1's without an explanation - usually it's not too difficult to figure out why.
There have been occasions, however, where I've seen posts, or photos, that have been given -1's and it's not obvious why - in those situations I think it does make sense to include a comment that explains your thinking.
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