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Uploaded on March 06, 2010More zero tolerance from the land of Oz. Get a load of this: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/03/ionia_kindergar...
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This doesn't sound like a case of zero tolerance. The article reports that the child "had displayed this kind of behavior for several months, despite numerous warnings," and that the parent "was previously warned that if Mason continued the practice he would be suspended." There really is not sufficent information here to conclude that the school acted rashly and had not taken appropriate preventative action. There is enough information here to see that the behavior goes beyond playful cops and robbers kids' games and enters into bully type behavior.
and his parents were warned that if this behavior continued he would be suspended because he was making others uncomfortable, which is not conducive to a learning environment. I applaud the school district for sticking to it's guns (lol) and removing the disruptive element from the equation. Perhaps you yourself made a "knee-jerk" reaction without fully reading and comprehending the article?
This is a case of wishing I could edit what I just accidentally posted. The second paragraph should not have been included. If editors read this please either edit or erase the previous post so I can edit it. I tried to 'REPORT' the post, but I guess you can't report your own post.
Actually I do not think I made a knee jerk reaction and BTW thank you for your well thought comments.
I associate the school's reaction to zero tolerance because the child made his hand in the shape of a pistol (to be specific). Of course it could be argued that I am speculating the school's motives and there is always that remote possibility. Would the child have been suspended for flashing a peace (or victory) sign at the other children or any other hand gesture (other than the social finger) for that matter.
It is my opinion that this was an incident because the child made the dreaded gun sign with his hand. If that is the case, then it could conceiveably fall under the broad definition most schools use for their respective zero tolerance policies.
What it simply amount to IMHO is political correctness run rampant which is the basis of zero tolerance.
It's a point by some school systems in the US to train children at an early age that firearms are bad.
If the child is disruptive and has been repeatedly warned about his/her behavior then punish him for being disruptive and leave it at that. We do agree on that point.
Dakota Dan, you can probably surmise I am a great opponent of zero tolerance policy and please know my comments and/or response are not directed at you or your opinion.
I thank you again for causing me to pause and think a little more about that particular situation.
JohnR - I had meant to erase the 2nd paragraph of that initial post prior to posting it, but my thumb had a knee jerk reaction. In no way did I mean to imply your initial post was in any way like my thumb. How ever, in your second post you do make a lot of assumptions to reach the zero tolerance conclusion.
You are correct in that I did make a few assumptions. It is a great disadvantage not having all the facts and not being on scene. I based my assumptions on similar cases I have read which reveal a growing trend in public schools to carry zero tolerance policies to the extreme.
Not all schools do this. Quite a bit has to do with geography as particular parts of the country interpret zero tolerance in different ways.
You make a good case that I may have been stretching it a bit and it is possible given all the facts that I did. I will still maintain however that the zero tolerance mindset played a part however minute in the school's actions.
I will add a further irony in that I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance. Therefore I suppose I cancel myself out :-).
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This doesn't sound like a case of zero tolerance. The article reports that the child "had displayed this kind of behavior for several months, despite numerous warnings," and that the parent "was previously warned that if Mason continued the practice he would be suspended." There really is not sufficent information here to conclude that the school acted rashly and had not taken appropriate preventative action. There is enough information here to see that the behavior goes beyond playful cops and robbers kids' games and enters into bully type behavior.
and his parents were warned that if this behavior continued he would be suspended because he was making others uncomfortable, which is not conducive to a learning environment. I applaud the school district for sticking to it's guns (lol) and removing the disruptive element from the equation. Perhaps you yourself made a "knee-jerk" reaction without fully reading and comprehending the article?
This is a case of wishing I could edit what I just accidentally posted. The second paragraph should not have been included. If editors read this please either edit or erase the previous post so I can edit it. I tried to 'REPORT' the post, but I guess you can't report your own post.
Actually I do not think I made a knee jerk reaction and BTW thank you for your well thought comments.
I associate the school's reaction to zero tolerance because the child made his hand in the shape of a pistol (to be specific). Of course it could be argued that I am speculating the school's motives and there is always that remote possibility. Would the child have been suspended for flashing a peace (or victory) sign at the other children or any other hand gesture (other than the social finger) for that matter.
It is my opinion that this was an incident because the child made the dreaded gun sign with his hand. If that is the case, then it could conceiveably fall under the broad definition most schools use for their respective zero tolerance policies.
What it simply amount to IMHO is political correctness run rampant which is the basis of zero tolerance.
It's a point by some school systems in the US to train children at an early age that firearms are bad.
If the child is disruptive and has been repeatedly warned about his/her behavior then punish him for being disruptive and leave it at that. We do agree on that point.
Dakota Dan, you can probably surmise I am a great opponent of zero tolerance policy and please know my comments and/or response are not directed at you or your opinion.
I thank you again for causing me to pause and think a little more about that particular situation.
JohnR - I had meant to erase the 2nd paragraph of that initial post prior to posting it, but my thumb had a knee jerk reaction. In no way did I mean to imply your initial post was in any way like my thumb. How ever, in your second post you do make a lot of assumptions to reach the zero tolerance conclusion.
You are correct in that I did make a few assumptions. It is a great disadvantage not having all the facts and not being on scene. I based my assumptions on similar cases I have read which reveal a growing trend in public schools to carry zero tolerance policies to the extreme.
Not all schools do this. Quite a bit has to do with geography as particular parts of the country interpret zero tolerance in different ways.
You make a good case that I may have been stretching it a bit and it is possible given all the facts that I did. I will still maintain however that the zero tolerance mindset played a part however minute in the school's actions.
I will add a further irony in that I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance. Therefore I suppose I cancel myself out :-).
Oops! Try this link to the story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588183,00.html?test=latestnews
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