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Listening on the radio today as of this April, 91% of the trails in Ouachita National Forest will be shut down!
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Clay Cooper-
I am reliably informed that this is only a temporary measure, and will be lifted as soon as the Sasquatch mating season is over. This will be determined as soon as the Guvernment Study On Sasquatch Mating Habits is completed. This will be completed as soon as the Guvernment money is granted. This will be granted as soon as the obummer administration determines whether or not to include Sasquatch and Bigfoot in the Health Care plan. This will be determined as soon as it is determined if Sasquatch and Bigfoot are, indeed, the same species. This will be ascertained as soon as the Guvernment money is granted for an independent study...............In other word, may be a while yet!
How can a National Forest be shut down? Are they closing all roads in and out? Stopping all timber and other comercial operations? Removing all rangers? Removing the forest?
If the problem is trail maintenance, perhaps users can get involved to help maintain the trails.
They are mostly restricting off road, utilitie and 4 wheelers off most trails. yea some bozo's have been rutting up the forest and soon no one can ride in the forest unless you are on horseback. Most of the damage I see in the center of Quachita Forest is forest service vehicles, trucks and dozers. Deer season the idiots will be all over the forest and the forest sevice as well as the game officers will be setting in their homes or trucks.
It's mostly a funding and litigation issue. The govt is getting sued because people are running into each other on dusty roads or falling off the trails with ATVs etc. In the good old days you couldn't sue the govt without its permission - literally an Act of Congress. For twenty years the USFS has been getting the short end of the stick for funding (real short!). If the roads or trails can't be maintained, then the goveernment is liable if people are allowed to use them. Could even be construed as gross negligence. Allowing users to do the maintenance is no less risky. If some trail user sticks an axe in his leg trying to clear a trail he's going to be looking for an ambulance chasing lawyer. And they will have a good case. It sucks!
here's a couple of links to Ouachita Forest trails and other forest recreation.
Over 700 miles of trails await you on the Ouachita National Forest. The trails system includes trails and related facilities for hiking, mountain biking, all-terrain vehicles (ATV's), and equestrian. Hiking and interpretive trails range in lengths of less than 1 mile up to the 192-mile Ouachita National Recreation Trail, which traverses the entire forest from west to east.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/ouachita/maps/documents/Forest_Map.pdf
http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/ouachita/recreation/trails.shtml
Is this to keep the redneck road hunters out or what?
We can't afford to maintain what we current have so we are still in the process of purchasing more land for a national park?
Honker raises an interesting point that I didn't thing was an issue. I've always believed that you couldn't sue the government for recreating on public property. Do I have the wrong information?
Cgull
Thanks for the links!
Liberty, if it's your negligence, then you can't sue. But if some lawyer can make a case that the service wasn't provided that is implied that should be, i.e. the road or trail is open for traffic, then they have a case that the government was negligent. It's called fiduciary obligation. If you stick an axe in your leg at your campsite, tough luck. No chance of sueing the govt.
The US Forest Service is under the Department of Agriculture. National Park Service falls under Dept of Interior. Funding is quite different for the two different agencies.
That was about as clear as mud. Try this: "If some lawyer can make a case that a service wasn't provided that is implied that should be (i.e. a road or trail is open for traffic when it is in an unsafe condition, then the injured party may have a good case that the government was negligent."
Honker - Thank you for the good information.
I simply can't fathom a man who has the chance to enjoy the great outdoors in the manner he chooses and then have the balls to sue if he doesn't like the result. The government isn't responsible to make our lives safe and free from any type of mishap, that is the responsibility of the individual. Assess the situation and if you see danger lurking take appropriate action. Don't cross the bridge if it's unsafe, don't drive your atv 50 if the condition only warrant 20. Keep your head screwed on and be responsible for your self. We have a pretty good law about private land here in Maine. If you are recreating in any manner on someone land, permission or no, and you have any type of accident you have no recourse to sue.
That is to bad.
Liberty, the rising cost of liability insurance is driving the outfitters in Ontario out of business left and right. And it's making a guided trip unaffordable for most folks. Result is they come up here not knowing what to do or where they are going and wind up getting in trouble or at least having a bad time and not coming back. Too bad we don't have that kind of law here. Doubt it could ever make it through the legislature. Too many lawyers sitting in there.
I wish everyone that knew about it would fight for it to stay open. "the sqeaky wheel gets the oil" kinda thing. I have lived in Montgomery County all my life and love the access I have to so many places. Please contact your congressmen about it.
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Clay Cooper-
I am reliably informed that this is only a temporary measure, and will be lifted as soon as the Sasquatch mating season is over. This will be determined as soon as the Guvernment Study On Sasquatch Mating Habits is completed. This will be completed as soon as the Guvernment money is granted. This will be granted as soon as the obummer administration determines whether or not to include Sasquatch and Bigfoot in the Health Care plan. This will be determined as soon as it is determined if Sasquatch and Bigfoot are, indeed, the same species. This will be ascertained as soon as the Guvernment money is granted for an independent study...............In other word, may be a while yet!
Honker - Thank you for the good information.
I simply can't fathom a man who has the chance to enjoy the great outdoors in the manner he chooses and then have the balls to sue if he doesn't like the result. The government isn't responsible to make our lives safe and free from any type of mishap, that is the responsibility of the individual. Assess the situation and if you see danger lurking take appropriate action. Don't cross the bridge if it's unsafe, don't drive your atv 50 if the condition only warrant 20. Keep your head screwed on and be responsible for your self. We have a pretty good law about private land here in Maine. If you are recreating in any manner on someone land, permission or no, and you have any type of accident you have no recourse to sue.
How can a National Forest be shut down? Are they closing all roads in and out? Stopping all timber and other comercial operations? Removing all rangers? Removing the forest?
If the problem is trail maintenance, perhaps users can get involved to help maintain the trails.
They are mostly restricting off road, utilitie and 4 wheelers off most trails. yea some bozo's have been rutting up the forest and soon no one can ride in the forest unless you are on horseback. Most of the damage I see in the center of Quachita Forest is forest service vehicles, trucks and dozers. Deer season the idiots will be all over the forest and the forest sevice as well as the game officers will be setting in their homes or trucks.
It's mostly a funding and litigation issue. The govt is getting sued because people are running into each other on dusty roads or falling off the trails with ATVs etc. In the good old days you couldn't sue the govt without its permission - literally an Act of Congress. For twenty years the USFS has been getting the short end of the stick for funding (real short!). If the roads or trails can't be maintained, then the goveernment is liable if people are allowed to use them. Could even be construed as gross negligence. Allowing users to do the maintenance is no less risky. If some trail user sticks an axe in his leg trying to clear a trail he's going to be looking for an ambulance chasing lawyer. And they will have a good case. It sucks!
here's a couple of links to Ouachita Forest trails and other forest recreation.
Over 700 miles of trails await you on the Ouachita National Forest. The trails system includes trails and related facilities for hiking, mountain biking, all-terrain vehicles (ATV's), and equestrian. Hiking and interpretive trails range in lengths of less than 1 mile up to the 192-mile Ouachita National Recreation Trail, which traverses the entire forest from west to east.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/ouachita/maps/documents/Forest_Map.pdf
http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/ouachita/recreation/trails.shtml
We can't afford to maintain what we current have so we are still in the process of purchasing more land for a national park?
Honker raises an interesting point that I didn't thing was an issue. I've always believed that you couldn't sue the government for recreating on public property. Do I have the wrong information?
Cgull
Thanks for the links!
Liberty, if it's your negligence, then you can't sue. But if some lawyer can make a case that the service wasn't provided that is implied that should be, i.e. the road or trail is open for traffic, then they have a case that the government was negligent. It's called fiduciary obligation. If you stick an axe in your leg at your campsite, tough luck. No chance of sueing the govt.
The US Forest Service is under the Department of Agriculture. National Park Service falls under Dept of Interior. Funding is quite different for the two different agencies.
Liberty, the rising cost of liability insurance is driving the outfitters in Ontario out of business left and right. And it's making a guided trip unaffordable for most folks. Result is they come up here not knowing what to do or where they are going and wind up getting in trouble or at least having a bad time and not coming back. Too bad we don't have that kind of law here. Doubt it could ever make it through the legislature. Too many lawyers sitting in there.
Is this to keep the redneck road hunters out or what?
That was about as clear as mud. Try this: "If some lawyer can make a case that a service wasn't provided that is implied that should be (i.e. a road or trail is open for traffic when it is in an unsafe condition, then the injured party may have a good case that the government was negligent."
That is to bad.
I wish everyone that knew about it would fight for it to stay open. "the sqeaky wheel gets the oil" kinda thing. I have lived in Montgomery County all my life and love the access I have to so many places. Please contact your congressmen about it.
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