Elephants in the room are "natural" so that's OK. When John Muir saw melting glaciers in SE Ak that was "natural". When they melt today that's man made, so unnatural. Past climate change and co2 levels were natural as they rose and fell but today its a catastrophe caused by Algore's carbon footprint. When a "scientist" disappears past weather data, as Mann has, that's "natural" too. Distorting data to prove a point is "natural", if not honest or scientifically valid. Climate science still has a long way to go before it is enough to be making literally earth changing decisions on.

I'm with Dakotah Dan on this one - yeah, I know 90 percent of the posters on this site think global warming is a hoax, but the recent scandal involving some of the data and Al Gore's hyperbole doesn't negate the rest of the science demonstrating a link between the rise in greenhouse gas emissions and global temperatures.

While I'm at it, I might as well burn another bridge and say that I think evolution is real too.

Carney-
Naturally the lame-stream media cannot report on the rev-uh-noo-ers buying shotguns. There is nothing negative to report. The rev-uh-noo-ers probably need guns to deal with all those radical, right wing military veterans.

Does a hot summer day and/or a national heat wave prove global warming if a lot of snow disproves it? If it isn't real now then it definitely will be in a few months and over the next few years. Extremes in weather are inevitable, and also have little bearing on global climate change. Will this be the summer of Al Gore?

I agree that much of the global warming info was trumped up and a lot of it is no good. On the other hand, I just can't get past the worldwide glacier melting rates. Yes, glaciers melt every year, but so many have receded very rapidly in the past few decades. Also, what's the deal with the grizzlies heading north more than ever? This is something that was predicted by the scientists before Al Gore ever got his name involved. Yes, this was around way before Al Gore.

Say climate change/global warming is 100% disproven (not proven to be real does not imply that it is proven to be false, by the way). Should we just say "screw it" and deforest twice as much, burn even more fuel, develop more, and just pollute away because we know that we won't cause global warming? Whether you agree with any of this or not, I think it should be pretty obvious that the better we take care of things, the more it will benefit us, not to mention the rest of the residents of this rock.

I posted on the glacier melting issue a few months back, I posted the stats and sources and brother they are not melting away to nothing like the left would have you believe. I will see if I can find the source again.

You said it Carney, it is the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS, or the IRS police. The CID arrests and, I suppose, the IRS prosecutes. Nobody likes to have the IRS coms knocking at their door, and some people get dangerous when they have uninvited guests. Remember, Al Capone went to jail for income tax evasion.

At least the IRS bought American 870's. Soon we won't be able to make firearms in the US. Too big a carbon footprint, naturally.

Global warming is real, but not like Al Gore is ranting about. Global warming and cooling are natural part of earths cycle that has been occurring since our earth was created billions of years ago, so no one needs to get their panties in a bunch, your not going to going to change the weather and future climate no matter how hard you try, ONLY MOTHER NATURE decides that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about the current environmental conditions though. I think everyone would feel better and benefit from living in cleaner communities.

I suggest EVERYONE report the ad by sen456 it is on EVERY one of the sites in Message Boards.

Global warming, its become an extreamly political subject. The fact is average global temperatures have risen in recent years. Did we have anything to do with it? Well, we have been taking carbon that has been locked in oil for millions of years and releasing it into the atmosphere at an increasing rate for the past 50 years. Global carbon dioxide readings have risen.

The problem is still finding a causal relationship between all the data. As well as some data being corrupted and other data sampleing procedures being seriously flawed. On the one hand I applaud everyone for remaining skeptical but on the other hand bow many of you were on the band wagon then bailed at the first sign of trouble.

Science is not perfect. I think the result of the whole fiasco far outweighs all of our complaints. We now strive to live more in harmony with out environment (as a society). As outdoorsmen, we have seen how people can litter and mess up our favorite fishing holes. We are working harder than ever to find CHEAP, renewable energy sources as well as conserve the energy that we have. We, as sportsmen, know better than most what comes from conservation.

Wether global warming is real or not, does it really hurt us to try to be better stewards of our planet?