I Have watched my three children on the Ultra Sound before my wife given birth to them. They were born but have different medical illness which cause them to die!!!I missed my three children and I have one son from previous marriage and he is now 10 years old!!!

Hey, I've put this up on another discussion, but its relevant here too. I'm quoting myself here.

"The doctors almost forced my mother to abort me because they said that I was underdeveloped and that I would have physical problems all my life. These doctors who want to play God aren't always right because they PRACTICE medicine. I was born over 11 lbs, now I'm 6'5" and healthy as can be. Just because some doctors say that a baby isn't alive in the womb doesn't make it so. Murder is still murder, whether its because a mother doesn't want her baby in the womb or outside of the womb. If a pregnant woman plans on keeping her baby she is murdered, it is considered a double homicide. There is the recent case of the pregnant woman being murdered, and her baby cut out of her and stolen. If the baby wasn't alive, then how could it have survived? I'm a live-and-let-the-babies-live kinda guy."

Something else to add about the problems that abortion has caused which is off the moral level. How many baby-boomers are out there? How many of Generation X are out there? I refer to my generation as the Aborted Generation. This country is missing millions that should be around my age (30 or less). In the work place, someone needs to step up and take the place of the baby-boomers who are going to be retiring soon. The problem is that a lot of the need will be filled by foreign sources. As a result of aborting Generation X, we are going to see either a larger influx of foreign labor, or we will be weakened and indebted by our lack of workforce in the future.

Abortion and people who do it disgust me! How can somebody take the life of an innocent, unborn child? Murder is murder and thats all there is to it!

A study should be done on the Long-term health of women who choose to murder their children in the womb. I would guess it would not be pretty, either physically or mentally.

Whether it's right or wrong it's is always going to be a 50/50 arguement. Arguing and strongly voicing an opinion doesn't get anywhere...advocating a solution...now that's a progressive movement! Avoid abortion...use a condom. Condom broke? There's a plan B...also known as the "morning-after pill." Don't want kids? Don't have sex.

Unfortunatly, there's a lot of idiots out there that just don't have a clue...so I guess the question you gotta ask yourself is, "Should these people really be reproducing!?" :-)

Thought I'd throw a little humor in on this one...I hope it wasn't taken the wrong way :-)

In order to be alive, one must be born. Life consists of being born, living then dying. The "preborn" are not alive, as they have not been born yet, just as the "post dead" are not alive either. Now there is lots of evidence for spiritual existence both before and after death, but the only right the dead have is to be left alone to decompose (or not).
Of course all the fundie types who would deny a woman the right to choose what to do with Her Body seem to be men here. I have gone off before about simplisticly minded individuals attempting to foist their twisted religious preferences on the uninterested before and I will say it again. It is not a man's choice. period. All a man can do with regard to a woman's choice to abort is to support her or punish her for doing it. Women have always had the choice to abort, with herbs or instruments (or simple starvation). Men who would regard women as broodstock for producing more boy babies (so they can grow up and die as soldiers) have always deluded themselves that might have some handle on a woman's fertility, but the woman with the womb in question has all the cards until that day when eggs can be hatched In Vitro instead of In Vivo. When Men do go off on these delusionary tangents, somehow they never think to assist women with aid that promotes fertility, good food, rest, love, emotional stability. No it is all about punishment. Men like to punish that which will not submit. When Men get preggers then they can choose to have an abortion.
No woman wants an abortion. Even the simplest D&C is painful on numerous levels. Anyone who thinks a woman would get one blythly doesn't have any idea what is involved. Sure it would be nice to live in a world where nobody ever needed an abortion and every child came into the world loved, but we don't have such a world, so it is better that unwanted children and children born too deformed to function be aborted.
A Previous poster noted that he felt an entire generation (his) was aborted, Yup, that might just be so and you know what? The crime rate was way down a decade later. The same decline in crime was claimed by the Bradyites to be the result of handgun control but was actually result of Roe vs. Wade. When poor women finally had access to abortion they chose not to have unwanted children and an entire generation of unwanted children did not grow up to become criminals. It's in Freakanomics, dudes. So actually if one was to actually do the math, abortion and the 2nd amendment go together like ice cream and apple pie!
This coupling of conservative issues with 2nd amendment issues drives more potential supporters away that the average con might think. I know lots of "liberals" who think guns are really cool but they are put off by the religious fundamentalism and antisecularism of those who would be allies in preserving our 2nd amendment rights.
At any rate a child who hasn't been born has not suffered and being free from sin (except for catholics)goes to heaven. Isn't that what you want? Why is it better for that son of a bad seed and an uncaring mother to grow up a psychopath and maliciously bring hurt and suffering to the world till the Law catches up and sticks a needle in his arm.
If one really cared for the welfare of the "preborn" one should then support the finest in prenatal care and nutrition. Every effort should be made to make mothers to be happy, comfortable and well nourished, because that is what brings happy fat little babies. But the same people who scream bloody murder about the "preborn" always refuse to fund proper prenatal care, let alone things like "Headstart" for the babies after they been born. As far as I am concerned anybody who is anti abortion and wouln't support decent prenatal care for ALL women capable of becoming pregnant are hyppocrites and should shut the hell up about it. Care for the living children first, all of them, then we'll talk.

If they are not alive then why is some one who kills a pregnant mother charged with a double murder? I will now await the next installment of liberal talking points that you are so fond of. if you don't value human life you are nothing more than an animal.

I agree andy. People like this dont deserve kids.

I can see why conservatives who support the notion of private for profit prisons might also support antiabortion movements. Unwanted neglected children usually grow up poor and disadvantaged and inevitable get in trouble with the law, providing fresh population for the private prisons to be paid to incarcerate. Besides that, you also get to imprison the women who try to get abortions and the doctors who provided them. More money to be funneled from taxpayers into private pockets! Eventually the conservatives would get what they want, nice nonunion (but well paid and secure for life) jobs as screws guarding the concentration camps that contain everyone else. Then you'll have your Amerika, (the one you really want) but it wouln't be America, not the one the rest of us love...

Sometimes , I am in favor of RETROACTIVE abortion, especially on Child Molester;s and certain Politicians. Unfortunately there is no such thing. (Other than a .45 ACP lobotomy.)

Murder is killing people in a context other than self defense or war. Fetuses aren't people until they are viable and can live on their own. If abortion is murder then miscarrage would be manslaughter and it happens for many reasons beyond a mothers control. Would you punish a woman who had a miscarrage?
At any rate if you would punish a woman for ridding herself of a growth she doesn't want and cannot support you should also make onanism illegal. Just consider the millions of potential human beings damned to be unborn every time some teenage boy stimulates himself. To the wall with the murderer! Makes the hundreds of fetuses flushed at the clinic seem like a drop in the bucket!
But it is really about double standards, one for us girls and another for you boys. It's murder for us and amusement for you wankers. As I said before, if you gave a hoot about the preborn you'd be helping pregnant women to keep and provide for potential babies, but no, all you fascists want to do is punish people. Actually helping anybody is faar too "socialist" for you "cons".
You "cons" live in the prison of your own tiny minds and you want to turn the rest of the planet to be a prison too, so you'll have company in your self assumed misery. For some of us however, "freedom" isn't about trying to find new ways to punish our fellow men. Freedom isn't about legislating morality, and the people who seem to most want morality legislated are usually the least moral of the population. No you can't impose your heretical religion on me, whether you think you are the sole repository of spiritual truth or not. Besides I talked to God, and She said you were all full of poop. So There.

There is religious law and secular law and the two should never be mixed, lest the obscure practices of one minority be imposed on everybody. Consider circumcism, a religious practice observed by some and deemed child abuse by others. If one were to legislate circumcism how far does one go! Are the uncircumsised not to be considered adult men? Or would it be circumsism itself that be banned, would you then go arrest the Moyle? Would "panty checks" on men be considered valid? Do you then have parents arrested for doing or not doing it? Circumcism is the law in some countries, would there be any point to such here?
Take note I would tend to be agin legislating the Bris, it is religious law and not secular (thankfully) and I will make no statement of any superiority of one style of appendage over another.
Of course I guess that any number of dudes are having fits right now at the equating their units with a ladies secret parts but that is where the double standard lives. If we are going to incorporate religious law into the structure of secular law it is a slippery slope to the imposition of something identical to Shariah law.
I live in Massachusetts, where in the early days of the colony there was a state ordained religion with manditory attendance for all under the iron hand of Puritan law. They used to hang Quakers in Boston you know...Anybody who wants to back to any such thing is truely out of their minds or extremely ignorant of history. We have secular government for a reason and we mess with it at our peril.

I don't think Bella is referring to men she associates with in particular. I can look around and see plenty of scum bag sperm donors who are not fathers to the children that they have sired. Look at the NBA and NFL, not to mention trailer parks and the hood.

im with bamaoutdorrsman93, but i do belive that in some cases this does have a strong hold. lets say that you have a teenage girl, or any girl for that matter, and she gets mugged and raped for no reason. you don't belive that she should have an abortion and birth her rapists child?

I completly agree, andyh. You said it all. People who are demented enough to deny an unborn child a life sicken me. This is outdoorsman website. Any true outdoorsman has a respect for life, unlike bella. People always playing the victim disgust me. Thats the problem nowadays. Nobody wants to take account of their own mistakes, just pin em on someone else. You hit the nail on the head.

I just dont understand how someone can see something like that and be for abortion. Thanks for posting that clay. Thats one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

If the parents wanted the baby with spina bifeta fine, good for them.
I am saying a lot of traditional boundaries have been stretched really beyond all reason these days. Birth is and always was the start of life, just as death is the end. But now the Anti choice people want to push the definition of "being alive" back to conception and if you are unfortunate enough to eat fugu fish or get brain damage you can find yourself a zombie in a coma, half dead till your families money runs out and somebody turns you off.
Whenever boundaries get pushed somebody gets crushed. I realize many of you out there reading this are not intelligent enough to make that connection or perhaps you do see it and you want traditional social order upturned to suit you.
You cannot succeed in convincing people of your point of view, so you demands a law to force others to see things as you do. So much for liberty, so much for justice, as long as You get Your way, with regards to a procedure that you will never undergo and a situation you will never find yourself in. All because of your dogmatic agenda and that subconscious feeling of loss because you cannot consider women to be property anymore.
I am gonna say it again, if you claim to be pro life, care for the living, help living breathing crying , laughing children, there is no shortage of 'em. But focussing on legislation to restrict thew choices of others who don't share your dogma doesn't help living children, it only messes with the lives of women who likely have enough problems with life already.
Should schizophrenic women confined to locked wards bear children, no. Should Alcoholic or Heroin addicted women bear children while actively abusing? No. Should the profoundly retarded bear children? Is it possible to prevent any of these groups from having sexual intercourse during periods of fertility when any progeny devolved is going to be a burden on society during it's entire painful short period of existance. You guys talk dogma, I talk realpolitic. Love and care for the Living if you are pro life. You guys don't walk your talk. On the day you guys get pregnant, then you can decide about having an abortion. Remember the procedure hurts, a lot. No woman ever wants an abortion, the concept is ludicrous. Abortions are only done as the lesser of two evils, and birthing a child who will not be loved is more evil than abortion.

This isnt about getting our way, being dogmatic dictators, or anything your accusing us of!!!!This about right and wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!Ask any biologist or scientist, unborn babies ARE ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They are made up of LIVING cells!!!!!!!!!How can you feel them kick or see them move on the ultrasound if they arent alive!!!!!You have resulted to name calling when your the one who has warped this topic into some womens right protest!!!!!!!!!!!!You dont belong on this website. Your just another anti. I cant stand the thought of people like you and you disgust me. Im sure everyone else on this forum will agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So go on, baby killer. Bash on me.Insult me. Call me a dogmatic anti women control freak who just wants to force my opinion on sombody. I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry lousy people like yous opinions dont matter to me.

I meant to say risk having a child when not ready for one

Sorry, just a 15 year old's input...

If a living thing has to be smart enough to take care of itself, then does that justify my want to stick your head in a blender?

All joking aside, Being in the womb is a big part of life, just like life outside of the womb. Life begins when the little heart begins to beat. Maybe even before in other people's books, but that is what it takes for me to consider something living. Saying something is only living when it is independent is just dumb. I mean, just like a baby can't survive without mommy's bodily fluids, people like you couldn't take care of yourselves without your bottles of soy mush.. Does that make you just a piece of liberal meat?
I mean, you are too stupid to hunt, and have such a boring life that you sign up on a hunting site and bullsh*t around instead of taking "liberal action". I mean, good God, even your friends, the dumbass ALF get their message across instead of posting on outdoor sites! What, did they leave you at base cause you couldn't strike a match? You are just as needy as some fetus, yet you call them unliving pieces of meat...

Here are my last words of wisdom. If stupid Liberals would keep your zippers zipped every once in a while, maybe we wouldn't have so many abortions, because people wouldn't be so afraid of having even more big mouthed, dumbass soy suckers running their mouths and clearing the woods for Starbucks centers and Peta buildings!

All this is the reason that the issue is about a 51/49 split!

I agree andy. 2 timothy 3:1-5.
Bella, so know your advocating the hurling of unwanted children of of cliffs and saying doing so will help the nation make progress?You are sick and twisted for your murderous and cruel opinions. I think greatwhitebuffolo said it all about you.

Here's the deal Bella Just because a girl/woman spreads her legs and gets pregnant doesn't make her a mother... and if she doesn't want the child she should atleast give the child a chance with a family that wants a child but can't have one.
There are many people that want children but can't have them.
This country has made it hard as hell to adopt an american child due to foster homes, orphanages, over priced paperwork, Social Services and CPS BS. That doesn't mean that a chgild isn't wanted or will go unloved!

Instead they choose the easy way out they choose to murder a child and justify it by the fact they never see it or hold it or hear it cry.

Some do it for vanity, shame & some do it for even more selfish reasons.

I can understand a woman taking the morning after pill .. but not waiting weeks, months after they know they're pregnant to commit murder.

They knew the risk the minute they dropped their panties and spread em they should take responsibility for their actions not the easy /heinous way out. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.
I guess if they wanted sex that bad they should've used protection (diaghram, condom, mornin after pill, birth control), abstinance or chose another method to satisfy that need. You know a plan of action as to prevent their situation.

Bamaoutdoorsman I agree with you especially about the extrememly rare and horrible cases. High risk pregnancies, diseases, rape, incest are all hrrible worst case scenerios.

did you know there is like a 75 percent chance that we killed a president or a govenor who knows maby another einstein how does that make you feel

You've gotta remember there is good in all of us somewhere. However in some cases we are all hypocrites. No one is perfect but it never justifies murder or as you stated giving a child or anyone to be normal and live their lives as best as they can.
We have so much technology out here that is proven to help people who have been crippled or bed ridden live somewhat normal lives. The blind, Deaf, Paralyzed and amputees can attest to that. No one euthenized or aborted them for the sake of greed.

Oh and a fetus Is just a lump of meat in a woman's body. In point of fact we are ALL meat. Just ask any bear or hyena, we're meat all right. In point of fact I have encountered and observed numerous individuals soo incredibly worthless as to make one wish a bear or hyena might happen by and make meat of them, quickly with maximum bloodspatter.
Somebody accused me of being "pro death", and I might actually agree with them, but at least I'm consistent. I am anti-suffering and pro happy! We all gonna die, deny it all you like so I intend to enjoy myself while I'm here. You fundies are all about denial anyway, you deny yourselves the joy in your own bodies and you actively work to make others miserable. You don't follow your own religion, but make up stuff and try to force it on people, but hey, you'll die soon anyway, then you'll find out whats what. You guys are plainly terrified to die, because in youre heart of hearts, you don't really want to be stuck on a cloud with a harp- Forever is a looong time dudes. You go ahead and do that, I'm reincarnating again. I remember at least 6 previous times in some detail and I only wish you dudes could remember your previous experiences as well. Then we wouldn't have these lame arguments, cause you'd know what I know. Of course all you fundies could be one-shots, doomed to fall like moths to the flame, but hey the Demiurge needs souls too, to fuel that fire...Gnosis man, Gnosis is what it is...

Bella, I am laughing my butt off right know. Your opinions have absolutley no value to me at this point. Youve put a gun to your own head and pulled the trigger. Reincartnation?seriousley? You think im gonna turn into some other life form when I die based on previous actions? wow. I think,to everyone on this post, your arguements are null void. You provide very weak arguements and obviously have a very low moral standard. We're teriffied to die? No, we believe in morals and ethics and follow basic rules of the bible(for those of us who are christians) we arent afraid and dont want to make anybody miserable. We just have a respect for life and God. And then you start with reincarnation.How does an animal move up in life? They dont have a code of right and wrong to follow to get in higher ranks.What would a worm have to do to move up?Make a perfect tunnel? Im crackin up. I dont care what you say, and all these 'fools' or teue sportsmen as I call em, will agree with me. Your just one of 'them' and nobody is concerned what you think of us. And you remember 'details of previous lifes'?You were getting stoned with your little peta buddies,werent you. I know what form you are now. Eeeeeh-ahhhhh.

A hunter that talks like a soy sucker. Yuck.

first of all abortion has never been "legalized" the only reason it is allowed is because the supreme court allowed abortion i the case roe v wade. but lets not forget the supreme court is not the one that makes laws, they just allowed one person to get an abortion so now everyone thinks they can get one too, it is not legal, show me the bill that was passed legalizing it. secondly bella you said if it can not live on its own it is not a human, there are some full grown adult who can not live on their own (some severely mentally handicapped people) does that mean we should kill them because they are not humans or have no benefit to society? Lastly if a woman does not want a child then that woman should not have sex, sex is supposed to be saved till marriage anyways right? then when a woman is married and has sex if she gets pregnant the father will at least stay around if he loves the woman enough to marry her.

Getting back to the main article... Planned Parenthood is a good and necessary resource in our communities. Planned Parenthood does far more than provide abortions. The focus of their education efforts is on pregnancy and STD prevention. The following is their response to Abby Johnson's initial statements:

A former employee has recently made public statements about a “spiritual conversion” as a part of her publicity efforts in opposition to abortion and Planned Parenthood. As a trusted provider of reproductive health care for more than 90 years, Planned Parenthood knows that patients and health care providers experience complex thoughts and emotions about abortion, and that personal views may evolve over time. Planned Parenthood respects everyone’s beliefs and feelings on this most personal of medical issues.

The allegation made by former health center manager Abby Johnson that Planned Parenthood is not focused on prevention, however, is completely false.

Planned Parenthood’s primary focus has always been prevention and that continues to be our focus today. Nationwide and locally, more than 90 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provides are preventive in nature, including life-saving screenings for breast and cervical cancer, wellness exams, contraception, and STD testing and treatment. Planned Parenthood health care helps women stay healthy, plan pregnancy, and avoid an unintended pregnancy. Planned Parenthood values patient confidentiality and takes every measure to ensure that patients at any health care facility can trust that their private medical information remains protected. For this reason, Planned Parenthood of Houston and Southeast Texas has taken steps to ensure that confidentiality is not broken by former employees.

Of the christians you have talkede to, you have obviousley had a very poor sample. Im not trying to control anybody. Im all for womens rights. Women should be able to do whatever they want. Im against ABORTION. If its all about a woman and her responsibiloity, then why dont you get pregnant yourself. Women do a lot of the work in pregnecy(the majority of it)But if a relationship is how it should be, then the man works for the money that feeds that woman and their child. The father also helps care and for the child and raise it. But if its some horny teenager who gets pregnant before marriage and aborts so itll be easier on her, that is completly wrong no matter how you put it. She shouldve gotten married to a nice,respectable man who had a job. That wouldve solved it. All the people I know who have had abortions are teenage girls who did it out of convienience. Quit trying to blame the men and calling us dogmatic control freaks.Its not all the guys fault. The girl(not all cases are rape/incest) chose to have sex with no protection. Your a murdering soy sucking hippie with no respect for life. And if I turn into a goat, then you can say 'I told you so.' plus if we are reincarnated, when you hunt, arent you killing other people? your just a killer all around, arent you? Still laughing, by the way.

thanks 86ram. Who cares what hippies like her think.

She shoulda gotten married to a nice respectable guy with a job? HA! there is where you put your foot in it! Find one! There's a million girls out there lookin' and the Good Men are few or taken. (That's why I'm married sillies). Anyway I have often noticed that anti choice men are usually singularly unattractive or self centered. Just to read some of the posts here makes it abundantly clear. And that is why the Metrosexuals get laid far more often than you fundie dudes. Why any girl would want to marry someone as controlling as any of you fundie dudes is beyond me anyway, you all have your minds locked in the 17th century as far as social evolution goes. I would think the only way you dudes might ever get some is by lying yer faces off or by seeking out the pre brainwashed women from some Xtian Purdah.
After all, for you poor deluded individuals sex is evil anyway, so it is likely appropriate for you to have such unattractive attitudes. You guys likely have to resort to Georgia Homeboy with your dates anyway...
Get yer heads out of the Maddonna/whore complex. If it is good for a man to be virile, then it is also good for a woman to look hot.
Pretty women are pretty for a reason, for enticing the opposite sex. If you believe sex is evil then go be a Muslim. If you think humans are or should be a sexual then you just don't understand biology. I'm certain most of the men out there would if polled agree that sex is good, and they would happily get some anytime if it were only possible. But if sex is good, and handsome men and pretty women are good too, then you can't criminalize abortion. You can not like it, but making it illegal is a travesty against human nature (especially as women have always been able to abort, one way or another- some just don't know how).
So you close minded whackjobs can just go look at a dirty magazines and do what you do. Have some nice fantasies boys...

Y'al please lay off the personal attacks. And, unless I'm mistaken, I don't believe F&S is a religious rag, so please keep your religion to yourselves. Stay on topic. Reading these comments is like hunting with a bird dog that takes off after every deer and rabbit scent he crosses.

Bella More than Christians have views on abortion and here is a link to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_abortion#Buddhism

I think this speaks for itself to disprove your obvious dilussions and rhettoric. BTW just cause it says Budhism doesn't mean that Hindu, Islamic and other cultures views are not expressed

Obviously you didnot open the link to see the other Religious beliefs on Abortion! Because it was more than about Budhism and I see you only keyed in on Budhism.

I haven't twisted anything you've said I have not even attempted to regurgitate the erradic spewing of your man and religion hating... murderous comments.

We know you are not religious... We know you are pro abortion Go hug Obama and his pro chronies because they will sympathize with your plight and indignity and hey they'll include it in an unwanted unneeded health care reform bill so tax payer like myself can have my money taken out of my pay to fund abortions.

I think you like controversey and don't like it when a man stands up to you. I'm done I've proven my points you however have NOT

I am extremely religious, just not your brand of religious. I don't think yo have proven anything with you ad hominum attacks and links I ain't interested in opening. Who knows what sort of malware you might be trying to fob off on people. And where do you get the notion that I might dislike men? That is extremely silly. However my point about men who are anti abortion being physically unattractive is easy to support, Rush Limbaugh is about as physically attractive as Jaaba the Hut. "Reverend" Hagee? another Jaaba, Cheney? Gag me with a spoon! Frankly I tend to think you anti choice dudes just mostly need to get laid more often, that would cure you (but I ain't volunteering). Unfortunately you all tend to think sex is evil anyway (while oogling the scantily clad cheerleaders on football tv!). You want your pie and to eat it too! You have created this "good girl-bad girl" delusion in your heads, where "good girls" are chaste things waiting to get married and become nice little brood mares as opposed to the "bad girls" who put out and party down (those fun loving cheerleaders perhaps? Oh but they are "good"? but why then all the cleavage and leg?).
So Ms Elisha Cuthbert (was that her name?) loverly young thing that she be, is she "good" or is she "bad"? Me, I'm baaad, definately baad. Goody good girls don't tend to wave huge six guns around, don't train in martial arts and don't sass the men, which I will definately do from time to time. But the good die young and I ain't no longer young. They say that men start radical and get conservative as they age, while women start out conservative in outlook and radicalize with age. Go Raging Grannies!

oh WOW you know Bella you're so write I can tell you're very religious by you intolerant rhettoric and choice of commentary towards your fellow posters and pro abortion views... How could I have missed the religion in that? I'm so ashamed of myself that I missed.

As far as mauware I don't send out mauware.. You can look up the links on wikipedia or google them and guess what no link to me so feel free to look up the religions and their views after your sebaticle.

I never claimed to be of any particular religion I said I beleive in GOD!

I've never once said sex was evil... I did say that the woman should've used protection of some sort or chose an alternative way to indulge themselves or abstain.

There you go putting words in my mouth.
I could care less whether or not you carry a gun, chew tobacco, wear the pants in your house etc.. I don't know you from Adam and personnally with your views and ideals I would rather not.

Good day to you and + 1 bamaoutdoorsman93

Blah ... yes just turn your intolerance on me why don't you... let's further your man hate and rhettoric... Hmm pervertedcomment nope don't think so. not interrested in a womans private affairs just merely stated in an open minded fashion that a woman and man being mature enough to do their deeds have alternate means to achieve same goal... mutually or otherwise... You're so closed minded and key in on one word and put words in my mouth wow ... hmmm sounding mighty boring at this point and much like useless banter.... so do us all a favor and take your man hate and anti religion and pro abortion comments else where...

You know i just read your statement from the beginning its repetative and a reminder of a previups comment by you... what can't come up with any thing original so you cut and paste your old posts... wow So very original ... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH..

you're nothin more than a heathan and an intolerant one at that .. oh i forgot you're intolerant of fanatics and fanaticism how many times have you mentioned that... too many ...

You are required to visit any sites I recommend you wouldn't any ways you like thinking you're right about everything so if a truism were to show up and knock you sdown a peg then oh my you' would be wrong and we can't have the great gun toting almighty intolerrant one be wrong could we .. OH NO,... Who knows what would happen if you shut your trap and opened your mind....

Aww there I go I stood up to the intolerrant one ... and now she's angered and I will be chastised as a mean over beearing stereotypical, egotistical, cave man that only believes that women are to subjegated and controlled by men...

And yet at no time or post have I even meantioned, stated anything to the fact or given any reason for anyone to think that except the intollerant one

All fear the intollerant one she has guns, is pro abortion and a closed mind and cannot be told she is wrong or her perceptions are wrong

Now who has the closed mind here? Judge not lest ye be judged!
You guys are always soo willing to demonstrate what devout christians you are, and always with the silly second grade tactic of transferrence, but that is too big a word for you isn't it.
Again with the cretinous notion that I somehow don't like men...Mysogynists, I am happily married and been so for more than a decade. And yes I am a Heathen among other labels. Heathen is only an insult according to you guys, who don't practice the faith you espouse anyway! I can count and there is perhaps 4 or 5 of you fundie ninnies claiming to have some kind of authorization to set a moral agenda for F&S. It would be one thing if you actually practiced the precepts of the faith you claim but nothing any of you hateful wretches ever post ever follows the teachings of Jesus. You judge others, you are self rightious, you don't do unto others as you would be done unto. You don't love your neighbors and you are all about casting the first stone. You damn yourselves again and again, yet you are soo full of yourselves, you don't see it. You want to impose Old Testament commandments on people you don't even know, but you wouln't follow them yourselves. Yeah I'm a heathen, why would I ever want to follow a path as immoral as the one you guys walk, because whatever you do, it has nothing to so with Jesus at all.

I never claimed to be of any particular religion I said I beleive in GOD!
Wtf part of that do you not get?

and now you preach of what the bible and Jesus teaches miss PRO abortion, miss anti Christian, STFUP you lost all credibility when you became repititious and especially now with your last post ... Whatever you like the antis just like to be an antogonist and have the last word because no man or other non likewise thinking person can say you're wrong or even disagree with you.
In Religious terms: Abortion goes against many religious(Christian, Hindu, Buddhist etc) beliefs and the not harming of children, the love for your neighbor and fellow man and woman, Go forth and multiply, Though Shalt Not Kill! How bout that one refute these statements.... These are core teachings and in the 10th Commandments.

It also goes against one of the cores in nature: Reproduction. You ensure suvival and life by reproduction.

So claim what you will you show your true colors in your previous posts and dialogues.

I didn't judge you I rebuked and identified your judgemnet of others in your rhettoric and man hating pro abortion spews and anti religious comments.
In other words I called you on your intollerance... and now like a pouting little child that cannot be wrong you try to spin this around on those who disagree with you. ..
Have the last word if you want it will be the same cut and paste repetitios meandering that you've already posted ...

And repealing Roe vs. Wade to make abortion illegal again would criminalize hundreds of thousands of women and caregivers. This isn't forcing anything on anyone? As I said before if you don't like abortion, don't get one. It is the "right to lifers" who ironically have killed many innocents by bombing clinics and assassinating caregivers. How wonderfully christian, it reminds me of the Taliban but with less competence (thankfully). I have yet to hear of even one pro choice bombing or assassination, yet I have been labeled a "murderer" for supporting the law as it stands by these supposed "christians" and told I "have no credibility" for calling people out for their double standards and self rightious attitudes. But hey, You all judge yourselves in the end. It is fascinating to try to follow some of the twisted reasoning (or lack of it) and I will always admit to liking to get off a good rant now and again. Thank you all for being such fine targets, I need excuses to write more often anyway (polish the craft and all, you know, gettin' used to the new laptop keyboard)- hey many of my friends do "world of Warcraft", but I figure I waste enough time on line anyway...
I have never expected to convince anybody of anything, but I will self advocate for the rights of my gender. You mind yer own gonads, and I'll mind mine!