The parents are the ones to blame, they are/were responsible for raising and training their children. This boy obviously never had an education session with his dad behind the barn. In the house I grew up in there were three things you absolutely did not do, disrespect my mom, lie or disobey. If you did any of the above it was a bad day all around. You got to wishing real quick that you hadn't messed up. Following closely behind that was being lazy and doing the best you could in all that you did.

PS = I have 6 great kids, aged 28 to 12 who were raised with lots of Love and were disciplined as needed (some needed more than others...). Today, they all command the respect of their peers, teachers and employers because they are sensible and of solid character.

I suggest everyone go back to the "owner's manual" to discover how to raise kids and have a family!

Reddragonccc15,

I will only make 2 points:

1) While it is true that under The Law, punishment was swift and in many cases severe, as long as Israel kept their covenant arrangement with God (by obeying His Law) there were no children telling their mothers, "SHUT YOUR F******* MOUTH, BEFORE I KNOCK YOU TEETH DOWN YOUR THROAT!" (I will not address the fact that you know nothing of the importance of "context" when studying liturature of any sort -- especially the Bible.)

2) "seems that bashing babies on rocks was also a favored past-time of early christians...lol" The Psalm you quoted was written 500-700 years before the first Christians.

Your ignorance is evidenced to all. Nevertheless, I gave you a +1 because you didn't know any better.

Good old "generation me" is driving me up an ever loving wall. Even basic trining has had to be softened for them and I am extremely limited on "correctve training" so even the Army is suffering....as far as the walmart kid I bet "daddy" (when around) is a tough guy that keeps his women in check...beligerent punk had to hear it somewhere...I for one have no use for someone that always themselves to be talked to this way

Not to split too many hairs here... We use the word "discipline" as if it were synonymous with the word "punishment". I don't think that is correct. If we say "that is a disciplined person" we mean that they are orderly and self controlled. So my perspective is that "Discipline" in relation to our children is really "child training". Now their training may include punishment at times, but their training also includes work, relationalskill development, spiritual direction, etc....

Proverbs 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of discipline will remove it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you beat him with the rod, he will not die. 14 You shall beat him with the rod, And deliver his soul from Sheol.

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.

Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.

Aren't you glad we got all of that out of our schools, off the TV and out of our culture?

I have been raised better than that and even if I thought about that there would be a world of hurt coming down and fast. My parents from day one have always taught me respect for them and others. If I ever did this I don't even want to imagine what would happen to me cause it would be pretty bad but if you ask me I brought it on myself and deserved it.

Carney,
Thank you for your above posts.

These days some folks have LOVE confused with buying children things, or appeasing them, or giving into wants that are nowhere near needs, or gaining acceptance by being their cool friend/buddy instead of being a real PARENT. My Dad and I didn't have the smoothest relationship growing up, but I respected him. He was used to having orders carried out and not questioned. During my teen years that was hard to swallow. Now I appreciate it SO much. I am a better man for it all.

In my place of business I have witnessed things akin to what JHawes described, both from kids to parents, and more often parents to kids. It turns my stomach. Our society has been pussified and PC'd to the point of near-uselessness IMO.

One such episode involved a parent saying some similar unmentionable things to his son(actually pseudo-stepson as I later found out- his girlfriend's son) in my place of business. I informed the 'gentleman' that if he was that weak a parent he needed to turn some of that anger and rage towards me. He went into his 'you don't tell me how to raise my kids - I'll sue your a**' rant, and I politely told him that all folks here get treated with just deserved respect. I also told him all his comments were recorded on the surveillance system and I would be more than happy to stand before a jury of my peers to be judged on my actions, whatever they needed to be. He backed down, exited, and slithered off like the worm he was/is. I have the fear that boy is due for a very hard coming up. Hopefully there is someone in his life that is a good role model he can turn to.

I can only imagine what the youngster JHawes witnessed will turn out like. Another future upstanding member of our society.....

i have had more spankings than i care to count. i was always the strong willed child. it was always belts, switches, and hands every day. but im thankful for it, it got the point across and i learned my lesson. my children will get spankings just the way i did. no big brother government is going to tell me how i can raise my kids. that is up to me, my wife, and the good Lord.

Somebody in the above mentioned account needs a good rear-end-kicking and it's not the mother.

I know I am always looked at as just another brat kid when I am not. I actually respect my elders, maybe its just a country thing. But Thankfully where I live most kids respect their parents enough to at least talk bad about them when they leave the room, not right to their faces.

Well if I said anything like that or even yelled at my mother I'd be in ALOT of trouble. I see this alot as well... Usaully just a bunch of spoiled bratz. Its all in how your raised and obviously that kid in Walmart dosn't have alot of disiplin.

Not to give props to the Marine Corps. but I think every child should go through some military training. Honor Courage Commitment
These three things are staples of a Marines life.

I would have never imagined saying anything like that to my mother, or really to any human being that was not threatening my life.

My dad never beat me, but I realized at a young age not to give him an excuse. AND NO, I am not talking about abuse. There is a difference between spanking a child and beating the life out of them.

Even though I'm retired I still love to teach Hunter Education courses. I have some outstanding young people in my classes that I am pretty sure will turn out to be responsible hunters. I also have young people in my class with their parents and from the comments the parents make I know that they do not have a positive example to follow. From some of the remarks by the parents which they think are cute it is all I can do to restrain myself from backhanding them across the mouth. With an example like that what chance does a kid have ? I guess the only positive thing is that the majority of the class gives the smarta## parent a dirty look when they make the smart remark. One time one of my buddys told a guy Sarge let you say that once but I wouldn't try it again and the best thing you can do is wipe the grin off your face or someone will wipe it off for you.
Most people here in WV still have a high respect for the law, right 007 ?

You're fortunate, mathews_wvhunter. My mother didn't wait "...'til your dad gets home!..." SHE tanned my hide. THEN, when "daddy" got home, she told him and I got my butt torn up AGAIN! Now, I might skip a chore or maybe do something I shouldn't, but disrespect? Thank goodness I never crossed THAT line!
My dad wasn't a "big" man. Probably 5'10" and 170 pounds, but he shod horses in his spare time for extra money! Not a man to trifle with.

Bubba

I see kids act like that and they are little brats. If i did that i would get my a** kicked by my dad.

Good behavior is taught, I think this individual missed a few lessons. The parent is responsible for this lapse in training. When my daughter was a young teen the subject of being a strict parent came up and she replied “We (her brother and her) are glad that you have rules, it shows that you love us and care about us". I never worried, they understood that any time their behavior was inappropriate they would be corrected. I guess the point is that the children are a reflection of the parents; no good parent would tolerate that kind of behavior even for a second. If they do it is another kind of neglect and a disservice to the child and to society in general.

Those are bigone days. It takes a skilled couple of parents to be good ones. Most are not. You can make a lot of excuses why not...mom can't stay at home anymore because Hoski has made the govt so big, and sucks so much of our financial resources through Hoski's big govt to disperse funds, and steal funds that mom has to work to pay the bills. That is a big one. but kids know their rights, and will push them on adults challenging them. My dad was president of the school board, and I got the board if a call came home for something I did wrong at school that deserved a call home. That was my biggest fear.

Oh my LQQK...biblical jargan...well here is a few Biblical punishments for children that God ordered the parents to follow.. ....
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice..And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it. -- Proverbs 30:17

And children today think getting a spanking is bad...HAHA.... God says to KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -- Psalm 137:9
seems that bashing babies on rocks was also a favored past-time of early christians...lol