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Big Game Hunting

What's your ethic?

Uploaded on November 22, 2009

Elk season just ended. I was in an "either sex" game management unit last Monday. Walking the trail and scanning the steep mountainsides below and above us, I caught a glimpse of hind quarter 1oo yards up the mountain. I snapped my rifle up to my cheek and found it in the scope. All that was visible was from the stomach back with the vitals and head obscured by brush at various intervals up the hill. In a moment it stepped away -- but only about 10 yards. I found it once again in the scope but as before, it was only visible from the stomach back.

So, what would you do? Aim for where the vitals ought to be and hope the bullet busts through the brush to find its mark? Or hope for a clear shot with the risk of losing the opportunity?

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from Big O wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

As a "hunter" it is your RESPONSABILITY to make a quick and clean killing shot. Nuf' said ?

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

The ethics of hunting should be adhered to. Ensuring a clean kill shot, with regards to backstop and safety should be followed. Allowing the game to move into a better vantage point for your shot will not only demonstrate your patience, but will give you the experience of having stalked and waited out the game.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Agreed Gentlemen. It was a heartbreak to lose the opportunity (which we did) but I turned to my son and quoted, "Always know your target and what lies beyond."

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

What I go with is if I can't see what I'm shooting at, or if there's a chance of the bullet hitting brush or anything like that, I pass up the shot.

Nate

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Wait for a shot at the vitals. Getting skunked is better than wounding one.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

This is what I like about the F&S blog -- seldom do we have a hunting slob / poacher type in our discussions! Thanks for your comments!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Well, 25 years ago I made a mistake that turned out okay. I was headed up the mountain on opening day just at daybreak. A kid I passed in the dark was headed up the same mountain about a quarter mile away. This hill jumps vertically out of a flat valley. It had been logged off part way up several years earlier. Just as it got light I spotted a mule deer on the face of the slope in front of me. I scoped her and noted how odd it was to see a muley so low that early in the year. Then a couple of big bright things moved on the hill right above her. Elk. They stepped out of sight and I waited for them to reappear. They really had no place to go that I couldn't see them. Or so I thought. After several minutes I elected to shoot into the jackpot where I last saw them to get them moving and wake up the kid across the hill from me. I never saw them again but the kid opened fire with five or six rounds. Didn't sound like anything connected. He was slightly above me and we could exchange words while getting up to the spot. Said he saw five or six cows (they were legal) but felt he had missed them all. They had stepped to the back of an old logging skid trail on the side of the hill and he could see them but I couldn't. As he reached the skid trail, he turned and hollered down, "Well, here's your bull." Huh? I said no it had to be his. I couldn't even see anything when I shot. Just wanted to sound the alarm and move the elk (both of which were accomplished). He must have shot that elk. No, the kid was absolutely sure he didn't see a bull. Apparently, I broke that bull's neck and that's why the cows just stood around. In this case taking the shot wasn't really unsafe but it was a pretty dang stupid thing to do. I could have just as easily hit him in the butt, blown off a front leg, etc. Ironically, the bull had survived a shattered front upper leg from the year before. His leg healed up crooked and one hoof was worn right off. But there wasn't a mark on him anywhere. Probably hit by a car. I had a nice piece of meat to fill the freezer for the winter but it was nothing to be proud of. By the way, the kid wouldn't even take a steak. His dad and grandad shot a beautiful whitetail buck just over the hill from my bull (and sent their bullets zinging over my head as I was gutting it - they couldn't see me from where they were shooting).

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Moral of the story is, you're a better man than I was, Carney. You set a great example for your kid.

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

One of the top 10 rules of firearm safety is: Be 100% sure of your target and what's beyond it.

In that situation, not only could you not see your target (the vitals), but you could not see what was beyond it. No, I would not have taken the shot.

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I don't care what I shoot, I have to see my animal from head to tail, rack to toe, or I won't shoot. What if there is someone in the forest behind it, who is also hunting it? My hunter education teacher told me he was hunting mulies, and had a good shot at a buck in front of a cactus group. Being a safe guy, he didn't shoot it, and after a while, a man came out of the cacti with a roll of toilet paper on his arm. No animal is worth facing charges or killing a man.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

OH = That was a kind thing to say; thanks for the compliment!

And thanks for everyone's posts = I think it's good for us to review "the rules" to keep us sharp and from succombing to temptation!!!!

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I have passed up on at least two deer that I just couldn't quite get a clear shot on. One was a nice 8 pointer. Letting him walk almost killed me but I have more self control today because of it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Carney

Sorry you didn't get your elk, but I would have done the same thing. Last year down in Colorado, I spotted a decent 3x4 deer feeding up a meadow surrounded by does at about 250 yards. I kept trying to get a better look at his rack and worked my way closer. I got inside 150 yards, which is a MOP chip shot with a .30-06, and decided that he was not the buck I was after. As the does got nervous, I looked behind the buck in the brush and 10 yards back there stood a buck whose slab-sided body made the 3x4 look like a yearling! Due to the cover and the doe herd, I had made it about as close as I was going to get and never could get a look at his rack. Either his head/rack was down in the grass and shrubs or up in the oak brush. I had an either sex tag in my pocket, so he was a legal shooter since there are no point restrictions in that unit. I could not bring myself to shoot at a deer without positive antler I.D. I moved a few feet to my right and then he was gone. The body size was a monster. I still second guess if I should have shot him.

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from 6ptbones wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS identify your target regardless of "if it's brown it's down!"!!! That's very tempting but we need to hunt like an anti is watching over our shoulder at all times. You should never shoot at what you can't see, and always take the highest percentage shot, period. If it isn't there don't take it.

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

The ethics of hunting should be adhered to. Ensuring a clean kill shot, with regards to backstop and safety should be followed. Allowing the game to move into a better vantage point for your shot will not only demonstrate your patience, but will give you the experience of having stalked and waited out the game.

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from Big O wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

As a "hunter" it is your RESPONSABILITY to make a quick and clean killing shot. Nuf' said ?

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from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Agreed Gentlemen. It was a heartbreak to lose the opportunity (which we did) but I turned to my son and quoted, "Always know your target and what lies beyond."

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from 60256 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

What I go with is if I can't see what I'm shooting at, or if there's a chance of the bullet hitting brush or anything like that, I pass up the shot.

Nate

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Wait for a shot at the vitals. Getting skunked is better than wounding one.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

This is what I like about the F&S blog -- seldom do we have a hunting slob / poacher type in our discussions! Thanks for your comments!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Well, 25 years ago I made a mistake that turned out okay. I was headed up the mountain on opening day just at daybreak. A kid I passed in the dark was headed up the same mountain about a quarter mile away. This hill jumps vertically out of a flat valley. It had been logged off part way up several years earlier. Just as it got light I spotted a mule deer on the face of the slope in front of me. I scoped her and noted how odd it was to see a muley so low that early in the year. Then a couple of big bright things moved on the hill right above her. Elk. They stepped out of sight and I waited for them to reappear. They really had no place to go that I couldn't see them. Or so I thought. After several minutes I elected to shoot into the jackpot where I last saw them to get them moving and wake up the kid across the hill from me. I never saw them again but the kid opened fire with five or six rounds. Didn't sound like anything connected. He was slightly above me and we could exchange words while getting up to the spot. Said he saw five or six cows (they were legal) but felt he had missed them all. They had stepped to the back of an old logging skid trail on the side of the hill and he could see them but I couldn't. As he reached the skid trail, he turned and hollered down, "Well, here's your bull." Huh? I said no it had to be his. I couldn't even see anything when I shot. Just wanted to sound the alarm and move the elk (both of which were accomplished). He must have shot that elk. No, the kid was absolutely sure he didn't see a bull. Apparently, I broke that bull's neck and that's why the cows just stood around. In this case taking the shot wasn't really unsafe but it was a pretty dang stupid thing to do. I could have just as easily hit him in the butt, blown off a front leg, etc. Ironically, the bull had survived a shattered front upper leg from the year before. His leg healed up crooked and one hoof was worn right off. But there wasn't a mark on him anywhere. Probably hit by a car. I had a nice piece of meat to fill the freezer for the winter but it was nothing to be proud of. By the way, the kid wouldn't even take a steak. His dad and grandad shot a beautiful whitetail buck just over the hill from my bull (and sent their bullets zinging over my head as I was gutting it - they couldn't see me from where they were shooting).

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Moral of the story is, you're a better man than I was, Carney. You set a great example for your kid.

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

One of the top 10 rules of firearm safety is: Be 100% sure of your target and what's beyond it.

In that situation, not only could you not see your target (the vitals), but you could not see what was beyond it. No, I would not have taken the shot.

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I don't care what I shoot, I have to see my animal from head to tail, rack to toe, or I won't shoot. What if there is someone in the forest behind it, who is also hunting it? My hunter education teacher told me he was hunting mulies, and had a good shot at a buck in front of a cactus group. Being a safe guy, he didn't shoot it, and after a while, a man came out of the cacti with a roll of toilet paper on his arm. No animal is worth facing charges or killing a man.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Carney wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

OH = That was a kind thing to say; thanks for the compliment!

And thanks for everyone's posts = I think it's good for us to review "the rules" to keep us sharp and from succombing to temptation!!!!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from 6ptbones wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS identify your target regardless of "if it's brown it's down!"!!! That's very tempting but we need to hunt like an anti is watching over our shoulder at all times. You should never shoot at what you can't see, and always take the highest percentage shot, period. If it isn't there don't take it.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

I have passed up on at least two deer that I just couldn't quite get a clear shot on. One was a nice 8 pointer. Letting him walk almost killed me but I have more self control today because of it.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Carney

Sorry you didn't get your elk, but I would have done the same thing. Last year down in Colorado, I spotted a decent 3x4 deer feeding up a meadow surrounded by does at about 250 yards. I kept trying to get a better look at his rack and worked my way closer. I got inside 150 yards, which is a MOP chip shot with a .30-06, and decided that he was not the buck I was after. As the does got nervous, I looked behind the buck in the brush and 10 yards back there stood a buck whose slab-sided body made the 3x4 look like a yearling! Due to the cover and the doe herd, I had made it about as close as I was going to get and never could get a look at his rack. Either his head/rack was down in the grass and shrubs or up in the oak brush. I had an either sex tag in my pocket, so he was a legal shooter since there are no point restrictions in that unit. I could not bring myself to shoot at a deer without positive antler I.D. I moved a few feet to my right and then he was gone. The body size was a monster. I still second guess if I should have shot him.

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