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Fishing ethics- Where have they gone?

Uploaded on March 23, 2009

Does anybody else notice that fishing ethics have gone down the tubes a bit in lately. I know for one that I am beginning to get fed up with it. When I was fishing a very popular stretch of the upper Current River here in the Missouri Ozarks this weekend, it really came to light for me. The area that I was fishing is stocked once every evening from March to October with somewhere between a few hundred and 1000 trout at each stocking. Of course, the crowds are horrendous, and there are usually people every hundred yards or so. The area is only open to fishing during daylight, and it is popular to stake your spot about 30 minutes before legal fishing begins. So I had a great spot picked out, an nice run of boulders where trout were rising like crazy. Five minutes before legal fishing, someone waded right through the hole I was going to fish. Right through, which scared every fish in there. Then I moved to another area about 1/4 of a mile upstream. It was a beautiful pool, and I saw a nice rainbow finning about in it. Then someone walked up right beside me, and low and behold, walked right out in the middle of the pool. People! This was the start of what was to happen to me all day. I was chased out of at least 5 different spots. Yes, I caught a few rainbows, and had a good time, but I these people really need to get a clue. And I could tell that a lot of these people weren't beginners without a clue. The knew what they were doing, but just didn't care. This was evidenced by the fact that they had several nice fish on there stringer, a sure sign they weren't exactly first timers. This isn't the only example, just the worst. Does anyone else notice the trend, or is it just me.

Sorry about the rant guys.

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from CRAWLIFE wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The trout fishing is even more rediculous in KS.I usually get mad and head somewhere else to chase walleye oe something.There is always a fish to catch that no one else wants it just might not be dinner.

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from AlaskanPride wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

That sounds nothing like what I experience up here in Alaska. Ever hear of combat fishing? And I mind you, I'm restraining with all my might to put it as nicely as possible. But I had a guy take a few steps toward in front of me ever cast he made. Before I knew it I was casting over his head and he knew it. I must say, I wasn't going to care if my hook "accidently" snagged him. I had only hip boots, and he had chest waders which is why he was able to go out further then he needed to. But I almost laughed in his face when I caught a king salmon about 10 feet from where he was standing, I was still standing behind him.

Another thing that makes me mad, is at a local fishing hole for coho salmon. The people stand way way far out in the river. It was so bad one time the silvers (cohos) were swimming behind everyone. So I started fishing behind them and once they noticed I was fishing behind them, they looked at me like I was an idiot. All I know is, I was the idiot who caught his limit behind everyone. But don't get me started on this stuff, then I can't stop with all the stories of buttholes who don't give a darn about who's fishing where, and whatnot. I think I need to go to a gun range and relieve some stress on some clays, lol. Ok....*takes deep breath*

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I have not had any experiences like the ones above but one thing that makes me madder than a hornet is when I am fishing down a row of docks and another boat cuts right in front of you and starts fishing the dock right in front of you.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm with rabbitpolice (cool name, by the way). We've been fishing docks before and another boat will pull up to one not 50 ft. away. Times like that make me realize why I'm out there though. I'm out there for a good time, and things like that are going to happen. If you let those things bother you, you'll never have any fun. It's taken me a while to figure that out.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I realize you can't let the little things bother you, but when you are entirely forced out of five different holes in one day, two me that is not a little thing. These people are very selfish, and they either need to get some manners or quit fishing.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I realize that, too. Actually, I wasn't referring to getting forced out of 5 fishing holes in one day. I would be flamin mad too. I was actually referring to the comment rabbitpolice made about being cut off when fishing a row of docks. Sorry for the confusion.

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from benjismokin wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

DEFENITLY!!!
I was just talking about this the other day with some buddies of mine. I have always been the type of person to release anything that I am not going to eat that within a day or two. Some people seem to think that keeping 40-50 panfish every other day is okay. Who do you know that can eat that much!

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Thats alright. My mistake.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

By the way, I agree that keeping 40, or 50 panfish in one day isn't right. I know one guy that once kept 200 Bluegill in a trip. I had invited him to the lake community I live in to do a little fishing, but I won't ever make that mistake again.

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from Wally Beevers wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I myself am getting tired of picking garbage up along the stream.

Here in Mn. we have winter fishing in designated areas only (usually state parks). Anyway, I was fishing last week in one of these parks and picked up no less than 7 bait cups, 5 cans, an old flip flop and a wad of mono that any eagle would be proud to nest in. Stuffed my pockets and tackle bag so full that I had to stack some of the stuff along the stream to pick up on the return trip. And this was just on one side of the crick!

As far as stream side ethics go, well, there's a reason I haven't fished an opener in 4 yrs. Fishing's supposed to be fun, not frustrating.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I agree with that. The opening day at Missouri's trout parks, (March 1), attracts several thousand people two each parks, each which have about two miles of stream. Needless to say, lines are crossed more casts than they aren't, and fistfights are commonplace. I'm done fishing those trout parks, (such as the section of the Current I was talking about) because there is about 100 miles of other trout streams in Missouri that aren't crowded at all, as a matter of fact on my favorite trout creek here in Missouri, the fish are all wild, and I rarely see another fisherman. So I don't think I need to go back to places like the area I complained about. I plain can't stand rude fisherman.

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from t_holinka wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

yeah, we have one stocked pond in our county and by the end of the day all of the trout are gone, and the DNR still say you can take 7 trout out of the pond a day.

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from bassgittinart@b... wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

I know a man who keeps every crappie he can catch. He had a freezer full and went out of town for a week. When he returned, his power had been out and he lost all his fish. What a waste! All I keep is enough for a meal or two, the rest I release to catch again some day.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

People in general are just rude nowadays. I am not that old so I will stay away from a rant but society hits the fishing hole, lacking respect and common courtesy it peeves me to no end. I know how mad I can get so I just take the high road and find another area when folks get to close besides my name is not Lowrance so don't use me as a fish finder. That is what people do when they crowd they think you found the fish. My answer, I learned to read a stream and will leave to find another spot. I do take some sick joy out of leaving and letting them see me catch fish in a new area when they still arn't catching in the area they took over. Can you see how sensitive I am to this lol!

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from peter wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

i know what your talkin about, huge motor boats drivin right next to your canoe in rivers, small boats and people parkin themselves 5 feet away from you, but people are idipts and jerks

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from Taylor3535 wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

P.A. fishing is absolutely no better. People pile up at holes for the first day of trout and the days following and they could care less if they're standing within 2 feet of you. A lot of nice holes that I fish for trout are underneath small bridges. Just last week I was fishing for nice 5 pounder underneath this one bridge. A guy pulls up in his car, gets out and stands right on the bridge looking down over. He then proceeds to tie a spinner on and drop it straight down into the hole, constantly hitting the fish on the back. Needless to say, this guy didn't stay long cause I ended up having it out with him. But that whole situation was just ridiculous. It's like c'mon guys... really?

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Things have definitely gone downhill. My favorite is when a guy casts to within 5 ft of your boat. Another classic is driving the boat across your line when you are dock fishing with the kids. The "ME" generation certainly has a different outlook on how to share public space.

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from dwilliams1 wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

On a recent outing, another father at the municipal pond we were fishing proceeded to chase down and kill a snake swimming close to the shoreline. After swatting the snake on the water with his fishing rod, he pulled it ashore and beat it with a stick while his young children cheered him on.

Watching this display proved to me why it is so important to pass on good values, ethics and manners to the next generation. Therefore, when I take my seven year old out to wet a line; I work on teaching him the same lessons my father taught me.

1. Respect another persons space. Chances are there is plenty of shoreline to go around. If not, go somewhere else. Also, keep in mind that a lot fisherman don't care for someone tossing rocks in the water or yelling across a lake at the top of their lungs.

2. Look before you cast. People don't usually care for a hook in any part of their anatomy. Crossing and hooking someone's line is equally annoying. Check you neighbor's line before you cast.

3. Learn the fine art of delivering smiles, salutations and apologies. It makes you more forgivable.

For anyone who has (or had) young children, you can guess that these lessons must be repeated. Often, many times in one trip, but, I believe if we pass these lessons on to the next generation it will make a difference. As if to prove my point, my son reacted to the snake beating by asking me what the snake had done to that guy. I told him that some people don't respect wildlife like we do or, perhaps, the man was just scared of the snake. After a few moments of thought he said, "Well that's just crazy." So take a kid fishing and teach 'em right and they could turn this selfish and ugly trend around.

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from Ryan Dufner wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

some people don't relize the impact they have. Fishermen work hard to give themselves a good reputation and when a few nuckleheads leave trash or disrespect the land, it throws all that work out the window. I fished the FLW tournements and like some of you i had people cutting me off at docks or fishing way too close. I used to keep a big zara spook tied on for just that reason, seems people get the hint when they see those trebble hooks coming at em. People need to stand up to those idiot who disrespect our sport. I'm not affraid to meet someone back at the dock and have a little chat.
I'm not condoning picking a fight or making a scene, thats no example to show. Be adults and edgucate the ignorrant.

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from huntfishchris wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

I do alot of wading arond bridges and what fires me up is when a boat just does misses you going about 50mph it makes me want to tie on a weight and throw right at them

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from goldylocks wrote 2 years 36 weeks ago

Ozarktroutfisher, I have seen the lines of people you speak of at Bennett Springs. At the time (many years ago) I was on vacation (in my favorite state (so far)) and we entered Bennett Springs not to fish, but just checking out the scenery. I saw thousand of people standing in the creek side by side (I couldn't believe it). They all had #'s on there backs. I have never trout fished (don't have to many of them around here Indiana) and so it was quite a site to see everyone standing so close.

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from DanCS wrote 2 years 35 weeks ago

Taylor3535, I hear ya man. Im in northern PA and all of the stocked areas are a circus! I am now staying away from any "stockie" waters and finding small ponds or quiet lakes where I wont be snaged or run over.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Where i trout fish, when you are trying to cast people walk right to your casting area, man i want a canoe to just float away from these people!!!

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from troutslayer wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

i'm out in montana and we don't have that problem as much, people are pretty respectful of fishin spots. but in my home state of PA that's not the case. i can still remember the first day of trout when i was 10 years old. my dad took me out to our usual spot and we got there bout 45mins. early. as soon as it came time to fish some guy moved right in beside us and cut my dad's line! after that we started avoiding the areas that were stocked. the last couple years that i fishd there before i moved west i would walk for miles up or down stream to where only the true fisherman were willing to walk. the fishing is slower but more rewarding, and alot more peaceful.

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from DEA wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Years ago when salmon were introduced to Michigan, it didn't take long for fishermen to realize their dreams of catching 20 and 30 pounds plus fish simply by seeing them swimming up the rivers, sometimes at their very feet. These fishermen, and I use the term loosly, flung out all sorts of snagging equipment. When these fish were so numerous you could walk across them, it was no chore to snag one in. I'll be the first to admit that the sight of a fish this size so close you could touch it brought a pounding heart and a shortness of breath. The circus that ensued over the years until snagging was done away with was something to behold. It wasn't just shoulder to shoulder people but overlaped people to people Not only fish but logs, rocks, boats, and people got snagged. A weighted treble hook could do serious damage to you!

Come late summer and early fall, using more conventional gear, the frenzy continues. Maybe only shoulder to shoulder but none the less a circus.

What's sad is we are paying to this day in not only snagging those same old rocks and logs but miles and miles of line still tied to broken off weights and hooks.

A sad commentary indeed!

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah, that sounds just like the Missouri trout parks. It seems these days more snagging goes on than legal fishing. It seems he favorite lure is the "Treble hooked wire jig" you can guess what that is.Then, when the people get their limit, they go back to their truck, put their fish in a cooler, and go collect another limit.

It is sad.

Now granted, at least in Missouri, once you get out on one of the wild trout or trophy trout streams where bait isn't allowed, and there is a somewhat restrictive length limit, it cuts down on the number of snaggers, poachers etc. But even in these places, I see my fair share of folks just using worms where it is illegal.

Not much respect for the law or the fishery anymore.

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from CRAWLIFE wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The trout fishing is even more rediculous in KS.I usually get mad and head somewhere else to chase walleye oe something.There is always a fish to catch that no one else wants it just might not be dinner.

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from AlaskanPride wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

That sounds nothing like what I experience up here in Alaska. Ever hear of combat fishing? And I mind you, I'm restraining with all my might to put it as nicely as possible. But I had a guy take a few steps toward in front of me ever cast he made. Before I knew it I was casting over his head and he knew it. I must say, I wasn't going to care if my hook "accidently" snagged him. I had only hip boots, and he had chest waders which is why he was able to go out further then he needed to. But I almost laughed in his face when I caught a king salmon about 10 feet from where he was standing, I was still standing behind him.

Another thing that makes me mad, is at a local fishing hole for coho salmon. The people stand way way far out in the river. It was so bad one time the silvers (cohos) were swimming behind everyone. So I started fishing behind them and once they noticed I was fishing behind them, they looked at me like I was an idiot. All I know is, I was the idiot who caught his limit behind everyone. But don't get me started on this stuff, then I can't stop with all the stories of buttholes who don't give a darn about who's fishing where, and whatnot. I think I need to go to a gun range and relieve some stress on some clays, lol. Ok....*takes deep breath*

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

By the way, I agree that keeping 40, or 50 panfish in one day isn't right. I know one guy that once kept 200 Bluegill in a trip. I had invited him to the lake community I live in to do a little fishing, but I won't ever make that mistake again.

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from bassgittinart@b... wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

I know a man who keeps every crappie he can catch. He had a freezer full and went out of town for a week. When he returned, his power had been out and he lost all his fish. What a waste! All I keep is enough for a meal or two, the rest I release to catch again some day.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I have not had any experiences like the ones above but one thing that makes me madder than a hornet is when I am fishing down a row of docks and another boat cuts right in front of you and starts fishing the dock right in front of you.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm with rabbitpolice (cool name, by the way). We've been fishing docks before and another boat will pull up to one not 50 ft. away. Times like that make me realize why I'm out there though. I'm out there for a good time, and things like that are going to happen. If you let those things bother you, you'll never have any fun. It's taken me a while to figure that out.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I realize you can't let the little things bother you, but when you are entirely forced out of five different holes in one day, two me that is not a little thing. These people are very selfish, and they either need to get some manners or quit fishing.

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from benjismokin wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

DEFENITLY!!!
I was just talking about this the other day with some buddies of mine. I have always been the type of person to release anything that I am not going to eat that within a day or two. Some people seem to think that keeping 40-50 panfish every other day is okay. Who do you know that can eat that much!

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from Wally Beevers wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I myself am getting tired of picking garbage up along the stream.

Here in Mn. we have winter fishing in designated areas only (usually state parks). Anyway, I was fishing last week in one of these parks and picked up no less than 7 bait cups, 5 cans, an old flip flop and a wad of mono that any eagle would be proud to nest in. Stuffed my pockets and tackle bag so full that I had to stack some of the stuff along the stream to pick up on the return trip. And this was just on one side of the crick!

As far as stream side ethics go, well, there's a reason I haven't fished an opener in 4 yrs. Fishing's supposed to be fun, not frustrating.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I agree with that. The opening day at Missouri's trout parks, (March 1), attracts several thousand people two each parks, each which have about two miles of stream. Needless to say, lines are crossed more casts than they aren't, and fistfights are commonplace. I'm done fishing those trout parks, (such as the section of the Current I was talking about) because there is about 100 miles of other trout streams in Missouri that aren't crowded at all, as a matter of fact on my favorite trout creek here in Missouri, the fish are all wild, and I rarely see another fisherman. So I don't think I need to go back to places like the area I complained about. I plain can't stand rude fisherman.

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from t_holinka wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

yeah, we have one stocked pond in our county and by the end of the day all of the trout are gone, and the DNR still say you can take 7 trout out of the pond a day.

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from Taylor3535 wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

P.A. fishing is absolutely no better. People pile up at holes for the first day of trout and the days following and they could care less if they're standing within 2 feet of you. A lot of nice holes that I fish for trout are underneath small bridges. Just last week I was fishing for nice 5 pounder underneath this one bridge. A guy pulls up in his car, gets out and stands right on the bridge looking down over. He then proceeds to tie a spinner on and drop it straight down into the hole, constantly hitting the fish on the back. Needless to say, this guy didn't stay long cause I ended up having it out with him. But that whole situation was just ridiculous. It's like c'mon guys... really?

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from dwilliams1 wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

On a recent outing, another father at the municipal pond we were fishing proceeded to chase down and kill a snake swimming close to the shoreline. After swatting the snake on the water with his fishing rod, he pulled it ashore and beat it with a stick while his young children cheered him on.

Watching this display proved to me why it is so important to pass on good values, ethics and manners to the next generation. Therefore, when I take my seven year old out to wet a line; I work on teaching him the same lessons my father taught me.

1. Respect another persons space. Chances are there is plenty of shoreline to go around. If not, go somewhere else. Also, keep in mind that a lot fisherman don't care for someone tossing rocks in the water or yelling across a lake at the top of their lungs.

2. Look before you cast. People don't usually care for a hook in any part of their anatomy. Crossing and hooking someone's line is equally annoying. Check you neighbor's line before you cast.

3. Learn the fine art of delivering smiles, salutations and apologies. It makes you more forgivable.

For anyone who has (or had) young children, you can guess that these lessons must be repeated. Often, many times in one trip, but, I believe if we pass these lessons on to the next generation it will make a difference. As if to prove my point, my son reacted to the snake beating by asking me what the snake had done to that guy. I told him that some people don't respect wildlife like we do or, perhaps, the man was just scared of the snake. After a few moments of thought he said, "Well that's just crazy." So take a kid fishing and teach 'em right and they could turn this selfish and ugly trend around.

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from Ryan Dufner wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

some people don't relize the impact they have. Fishermen work hard to give themselves a good reputation and when a few nuckleheads leave trash or disrespect the land, it throws all that work out the window. I fished the FLW tournements and like some of you i had people cutting me off at docks or fishing way too close. I used to keep a big zara spook tied on for just that reason, seems people get the hint when they see those trebble hooks coming at em. People need to stand up to those idiot who disrespect our sport. I'm not affraid to meet someone back at the dock and have a little chat.
I'm not condoning picking a fight or making a scene, thats no example to show. Be adults and edgucate the ignorrant.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I realize that, too. Actually, I wasn't referring to getting forced out of 5 fishing holes in one day. I would be flamin mad too. I was actually referring to the comment rabbitpolice made about being cut off when fishing a row of docks. Sorry for the confusion.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Thats alright. My mistake.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

People in general are just rude nowadays. I am not that old so I will stay away from a rant but society hits the fishing hole, lacking respect and common courtesy it peeves me to no end. I know how mad I can get so I just take the high road and find another area when folks get to close besides my name is not Lowrance so don't use me as a fish finder. That is what people do when they crowd they think you found the fish. My answer, I learned to read a stream and will leave to find another spot. I do take some sick joy out of leaving and letting them see me catch fish in a new area when they still arn't catching in the area they took over. Can you see how sensitive I am to this lol!

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from peter wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

i know what your talkin about, huge motor boats drivin right next to your canoe in rivers, small boats and people parkin themselves 5 feet away from you, but people are idipts and jerks

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Things have definitely gone downhill. My favorite is when a guy casts to within 5 ft of your boat. Another classic is driving the boat across your line when you are dock fishing with the kids. The "ME" generation certainly has a different outlook on how to share public space.

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from huntfishchris wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

I do alot of wading arond bridges and what fires me up is when a boat just does misses you going about 50mph it makes me want to tie on a weight and throw right at them

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from goldylocks wrote 2 years 36 weeks ago

Ozarktroutfisher, I have seen the lines of people you speak of at Bennett Springs. At the time (many years ago) I was on vacation (in my favorite state (so far)) and we entered Bennett Springs not to fish, but just checking out the scenery. I saw thousand of people standing in the creek side by side (I couldn't believe it). They all had #'s on there backs. I have never trout fished (don't have to many of them around here Indiana) and so it was quite a site to see everyone standing so close.

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from DanCS wrote 2 years 35 weeks ago

Taylor3535, I hear ya man. Im in northern PA and all of the stocked areas are a circus! I am now staying away from any "stockie" waters and finding small ponds or quiet lakes where I wont be snaged or run over.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Where i trout fish, when you are trying to cast people walk right to your casting area, man i want a canoe to just float away from these people!!!

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from troutslayer wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

i'm out in montana and we don't have that problem as much, people are pretty respectful of fishin spots. but in my home state of PA that's not the case. i can still remember the first day of trout when i was 10 years old. my dad took me out to our usual spot and we got there bout 45mins. early. as soon as it came time to fish some guy moved right in beside us and cut my dad's line! after that we started avoiding the areas that were stocked. the last couple years that i fishd there before i moved west i would walk for miles up or down stream to where only the true fisherman were willing to walk. the fishing is slower but more rewarding, and alot more peaceful.

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from DEA wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Years ago when salmon were introduced to Michigan, it didn't take long for fishermen to realize their dreams of catching 20 and 30 pounds plus fish simply by seeing them swimming up the rivers, sometimes at their very feet. These fishermen, and I use the term loosly, flung out all sorts of snagging equipment. When these fish were so numerous you could walk across them, it was no chore to snag one in. I'll be the first to admit that the sight of a fish this size so close you could touch it brought a pounding heart and a shortness of breath. The circus that ensued over the years until snagging was done away with was something to behold. It wasn't just shoulder to shoulder people but overlaped people to people Not only fish but logs, rocks, boats, and people got snagged. A weighted treble hook could do serious damage to you!

Come late summer and early fall, using more conventional gear, the frenzy continues. Maybe only shoulder to shoulder but none the less a circus.

What's sad is we are paying to this day in not only snagging those same old rocks and logs but miles and miles of line still tied to broken off weights and hooks.

A sad commentary indeed!

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 2 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah, that sounds just like the Missouri trout parks. It seems these days more snagging goes on than legal fishing. It seems he favorite lure is the "Treble hooked wire jig" you can guess what that is.Then, when the people get their limit, they go back to their truck, put their fish in a cooler, and go collect another limit.

It is sad.

Now granted, at least in Missouri, once you get out on one of the wild trout or trophy trout streams where bait isn't allowed, and there is a somewhat restrictive length limit, it cuts down on the number of snaggers, poachers etc. But even in these places, I see my fair share of folks just using worms where it is illegal.

Not much respect for the law or the fishery anymore.

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