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So obviously hog hunting is getting more and more popular with the uncontrolable population rate of these guys. And the fact that they are also migrating north. I mean ten years ago you didnt see anyone hunting hogs on tv, but now Tred Barta is out there killing them with knives he made from a bears ribcage that he killed last year with his bare hands! (made that last part up) So do you think the obvious comming of the feral hog is a good thing for us as hunters? Or do you think it is a bad thing, do to how destructive and indestructable they are as a species?
It's a good thing if you are a hard core hunter, on the other hand, if you're smart and know that the damage they cost long term is more that getting on a plane to go hog hunt in Texas, then it's a bad thing.
Nate
It is a good opportunity to showcase the effects of environmental imbalance and what happens when you put predators back in the picture. Since we have generally wiped out all predator species in the US feral hogs are out of control, by allowing unlimited hunting of them we can show that hunters are part of the solution to habitat destruction. Shows us in a good light.
Any reports of hogs getting into towns and cities?
I havent really heard about hogs getting into community's. But I think at some point or another.... if it gets bad enough that you will here about this. But we have had them come up within abot 50 yards of our camp while we were outside by the fire. It was eating on a fresh hog kill. This is why i believe that they will at some point be seen more often around towns. Problem them being nocturnal not many people will see them. Except for tracks and maybe some knocked over garbage cans. But a hog print and a deer print look very similar if you dont know what your looking for.
It wasn't a problem in Ohio until a few years back some hogs got loose from the game preserve they were on and started to spread like wild fire. Now there is no closed season on them and you can use whatever weapon you want to hunt them. People are now starting to see how they negatively affect the habitat that the rest of the animals use for cover.
Call me stupid. But aren't hogs not native to North America. I probably don't know this because I'm from Alaska...obviously. Closest thing I've seen related to a hog is bacon I see sitting in my fridge waiting to be cooked.
Alaska, no hogs are not native to North America, they came here with Desoto in the early 1500's. Feral hogs have been a scourge ever since.
I despise them and take great pleasure in eliminating every one I can. As a biologist friend of mine says, "kill'um before they breed." Their endless rooting causes erosion and destroys habitat. What they don't eat they bury. They will eat anything including ground nesting birds and thier eggs. They wreck farm crops and pastureland. I always laugh when I hear a hunter say I wish we had hogs...
One more rant. Don't confuse feral swine with the Javelina which is native to the American Southwest. Javalina are members of the family Tayassuidae and feral swine the family Suidae.
Hogs are a bad thing, they reproduce like nuts, destroy native plants and human crops. Hogs will also destroy turkey and waterfowl nests. They are a menace when it comes to the natural environment. But with all that being said i wouldn't welcome them in but i would do my part hunting them if they did come in.
Yeah, so I guess there's really no regulations on feral hogs down states I take it, since they aren't native? I'd imagine they are like pike. I know there's a few lakes around here where there's no limit and no regulation towards pike since they are considered invasive and attack the trout population.
That being said, to the original question, feral hogs themselves are a bad thing of course, but hog HUNTING I see as being a good thing. Get to enjoy hunting something invasive while putting meat on the table. I believe this subject was covered in a back issue of F&S or OL some time ago, I don't remember which mag covered it, I read both each month.
I would agree that hogs are not going to do native species any good. Question, would a .243 with 100gr or larger bullets be good for taking down a hog?
I brought down many hogs with my 243. I use the win ballistic silver tip, i think 95 gr. Put the cross hairs right on his ear and they will drop everytime.
when I lived in South Carolina The ranch I worked for kinda sorta had a hog problem, then the nieghbor had about 30 potbellies get out, then we had a full blown hog epidemic, made worse when they started to get rabid couldn't go outside unless you were armed, I agree with the sentiment that controlling feral hogs could be really good for our image, just wish there wasn't going to be all the damage caused by these creatues before people realize that there really is a problem.
Sihunter,
An ear hole shot with a light bullet will work on most any hog. I've killed many wild shoats (20-30 lbs) with a .22 rifle and CCI mini mags, head shots of course.
For larger pork I would recommend something a little bigger. I once put 5 Barnes 150 grain X-bullets out of an '06 into a boar that was well over 400 lbs. All shots through the ribs from various angles, 4 bullets exited. He went over a mile spitting blood and bits bone before he went down. I also put down another 400 pounder in his tracks with a single 165 grain Nosler Ballistic tip through the lungs from the same gun. When it comes to a large hog one never knows how it will turn out.
When it come to feral swine, "Kill them all and let God sort them out!"
Good for hunters, bad for land owners!
Hunting the hogs is not a bad thing, what is bad is the spread of the animals and because of the interest they are attracting, outfitters are starting to offer hunts, this wouldn't be so bad if they were out to kill them all but it seems they actually make enough money off of them that having them around is worth the problems they cause. The more sportsmen get interested in hunting them, the more the market (outfitters) its going to market them.
There is the problem the marketing of them. Rooting hogs cause a terrible amount of damage. It's like the marketing of bow fishing for Asian Carp. They are horrible in the state of Illinois and are getting into every river. I don't care to see all the "whooo hooo's and nice shot dude" when you can't motor a boat down a river without fish flying out of the water. I'm sure farmers and landowners don't care to see crops rooted up by evasive species.
meat is good and numbers need to be culled out
hog hunting is good the hog itself is bad for the environment and as far as weapons go to take them down it all depends on your shot if you try and shoot em in the shoulder you going to need something bigger than a 243 as their skin is really thick and tough due to the briars they commonly run through
Smoke'em if you got'em. We killed over 20 this year at camp and trust me there are plenty more. I just recently retrevied a trail cam with 25 different hog pictures in one night at one feeder! Its a ritual at our camp to shoot a sow every Saturday morning around 150lbs. Then when we meat back at camp she gets skinned quartered and thrown on the smoker. There is nothing better to look forward to after the evening hunt than fresh smoked piggy! Well alomost nothing...?
Feral hogs have resently been added to the list of huntable game here in Michigan. Only need a big, or small, game license during normal hunting seasons.
I had e-mailed out DNR dept a few years back about this issue,a nd until farmers made a stand against the hogs, they were considered federally protected! We have our fair share of game ranches here, and hog has escaped into the wild, but the law required them to "off limits" to hunters until 10 days after being reported as lost by the owning game ranch; then they could be killed as general game animal(this law still applies today with exotic deer, buffolo, or any other non-native game as it relates to game ranch species)I think the largest hog killed in MI to date( I should say reported!) was taken by a farmer on his land in the lower pennisula weighting in at alittle over 400lbs.
Hogs are a funny animal years of domestication is thrwn out the window once they go wild; teeth(tusks), and thick body hair begins to grow again.They also grow to enormous size!
ps...I would kill them with wreckless abandon; My #1 big game rifle is the 45/70, so I think I am armed properly for HOG taking!
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It's a good thing if you are a hard core hunter, on the other hand, if you're smart and know that the damage they cost long term is more that getting on a plane to go hog hunt in Texas, then it's a bad thing.
Nate
It is a good opportunity to showcase the effects of environmental imbalance and what happens when you put predators back in the picture. Since we have generally wiped out all predator species in the US feral hogs are out of control, by allowing unlimited hunting of them we can show that hunters are part of the solution to habitat destruction. Shows us in a good light.
Any reports of hogs getting into towns and cities?
I havent really heard about hogs getting into community's. But I think at some point or another.... if it gets bad enough that you will here about this. But we have had them come up within abot 50 yards of our camp while we were outside by the fire. It was eating on a fresh hog kill. This is why i believe that they will at some point be seen more often around towns. Problem them being nocturnal not many people will see them. Except for tracks and maybe some knocked over garbage cans. But a hog print and a deer print look very similar if you dont know what your looking for.
It wasn't a problem in Ohio until a few years back some hogs got loose from the game preserve they were on and started to spread like wild fire. Now there is no closed season on them and you can use whatever weapon you want to hunt them. People are now starting to see how they negatively affect the habitat that the rest of the animals use for cover.
Call me stupid. But aren't hogs not native to North America. I probably don't know this because I'm from Alaska...obviously. Closest thing I've seen related to a hog is bacon I see sitting in my fridge waiting to be cooked.
Alaska, no hogs are not native to North America, they came here with Desoto in the early 1500's. Feral hogs have been a scourge ever since.
I despise them and take great pleasure in eliminating every one I can. As a biologist friend of mine says, "kill'um before they breed." Their endless rooting causes erosion and destroys habitat. What they don't eat they bury. They will eat anything including ground nesting birds and thier eggs. They wreck farm crops and pastureland. I always laugh when I hear a hunter say I wish we had hogs...
One more rant. Don't confuse feral swine with the Javelina which is native to the American Southwest. Javalina are members of the family Tayassuidae and feral swine the family Suidae.
Hogs are a bad thing, they reproduce like nuts, destroy native plants and human crops. Hogs will also destroy turkey and waterfowl nests. They are a menace when it comes to the natural environment. But with all that being said i wouldn't welcome them in but i would do my part hunting them if they did come in.
Yeah, so I guess there's really no regulations on feral hogs down states I take it, since they aren't native? I'd imagine they are like pike. I know there's a few lakes around here where there's no limit and no regulation towards pike since they are considered invasive and attack the trout population.
That being said, to the original question, feral hogs themselves are a bad thing of course, but hog HUNTING I see as being a good thing. Get to enjoy hunting something invasive while putting meat on the table. I believe this subject was covered in a back issue of F&S or OL some time ago, I don't remember which mag covered it, I read both each month.
I would agree that hogs are not going to do native species any good. Question, would a .243 with 100gr or larger bullets be good for taking down a hog?
I brought down many hogs with my 243. I use the win ballistic silver tip, i think 95 gr. Put the cross hairs right on his ear and they will drop everytime.
when I lived in South Carolina The ranch I worked for kinda sorta had a hog problem, then the nieghbor had about 30 potbellies get out, then we had a full blown hog epidemic, made worse when they started to get rabid couldn't go outside unless you were armed, I agree with the sentiment that controlling feral hogs could be really good for our image, just wish there wasn't going to be all the damage caused by these creatues before people realize that there really is a problem.
Sihunter,
An ear hole shot with a light bullet will work on most any hog. I've killed many wild shoats (20-30 lbs) with a .22 rifle and CCI mini mags, head shots of course.
For larger pork I would recommend something a little bigger. I once put 5 Barnes 150 grain X-bullets out of an '06 into a boar that was well over 400 lbs. All shots through the ribs from various angles, 4 bullets exited. He went over a mile spitting blood and bits bone before he went down. I also put down another 400 pounder in his tracks with a single 165 grain Nosler Ballistic tip through the lungs from the same gun. When it comes to a large hog one never knows how it will turn out.
When it come to feral swine, "Kill them all and let God sort them out!"
Good for hunters, bad for land owners!
Hunting the hogs is not a bad thing, what is bad is the spread of the animals and because of the interest they are attracting, outfitters are starting to offer hunts, this wouldn't be so bad if they were out to kill them all but it seems they actually make enough money off of them that having them around is worth the problems they cause. The more sportsmen get interested in hunting them, the more the market (outfitters) its going to market them.
There is the problem the marketing of them. Rooting hogs cause a terrible amount of damage. It's like the marketing of bow fishing for Asian Carp. They are horrible in the state of Illinois and are getting into every river. I don't care to see all the "whooo hooo's and nice shot dude" when you can't motor a boat down a river without fish flying out of the water. I'm sure farmers and landowners don't care to see crops rooted up by evasive species.
meat is good and numbers need to be culled out
hog hunting is good the hog itself is bad for the environment and as far as weapons go to take them down it all depends on your shot if you try and shoot em in the shoulder you going to need something bigger than a 243 as their skin is really thick and tough due to the briars they commonly run through
Smoke'em if you got'em. We killed over 20 this year at camp and trust me there are plenty more. I just recently retrevied a trail cam with 25 different hog pictures in one night at one feeder! Its a ritual at our camp to shoot a sow every Saturday morning around 150lbs. Then when we meat back at camp she gets skinned quartered and thrown on the smoker. There is nothing better to look forward to after the evening hunt than fresh smoked piggy! Well alomost nothing...?
Feral hogs have resently been added to the list of huntable game here in Michigan. Only need a big, or small, game license during normal hunting seasons.
I had e-mailed out DNR dept a few years back about this issue,a nd until farmers made a stand against the hogs, they were considered federally protected! We have our fair share of game ranches here, and hog has escaped into the wild, but the law required them to "off limits" to hunters until 10 days after being reported as lost by the owning game ranch; then they could be killed as general game animal(this law still applies today with exotic deer, buffolo, or any other non-native game as it relates to game ranch species)I think the largest hog killed in MI to date( I should say reported!) was taken by a farmer on his land in the lower pennisula weighting in at alittle over 400lbs.
Hogs are a funny animal years of domestication is thrwn out the window once they go wild; teeth(tusks), and thick body hair begins to grow again.They also grow to enormous size!
ps...I would kill them with wreckless abandon; My #1 big game rifle is the 45/70, so I think I am armed properly for HOG taking!
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