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Ethical behavior seems to be diminishing in todays world. Is it due to the lack of parental guidance or is it due to desensitization from TV, Popular Press, etc. To what level should we as hunters and sportsmen and women hold ourselves to?
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It is a combination of all of the above. I myself am a kid and my parents have told me multiple times that if i was a kid back in the 60's i'd be dead. That's where i told her that i would also gain more respect quicker and at a young age. I assure that at places like school it is very difficult to stay within the boundaries that me an my parents have indirectly set up without my arguing. I consider myself a lot better than most kids, and i can say that through my observation of the slobs at my school. I personally despise everything popular among the younger population where i live. (i live in a suburb of a big city, so hunting is not much around here).
I think that we have to hold ourselves to as high of standards as we dare to go. There is alot of anti-gun and anti-hunting organizations whose main aim is to get rid of people like us, and we have to show that we are more responsible and capable of holding whatever torch of leadership there is than them. It will give them no logical reason to attack us.
On the other hand, the good deeds that we do get no attention at all, it's all the stupid things that inconsiderate people that have no respect for other people's land do. It's our job to try to rid ourselves of that negative image.
Nate
Nate you ar eincredibly insightful for a self proclaimed "Kid" it's hard to go further than you have already. Having said that I agree that it is a combination af the above suggested people work longer hours more days a week now than ever before and we really need to remind ourselves to have the good old fashioned talks with our kids any more but really the responsibility lies with parents telling our kids what is ethical and responsible and what is not. I feel that the overwhelming reason is the majority of this generation of parents sit the kids in front of the tv they'll be ok I'm sorry but thats CRAP! I am partially guilty I work in agriculture and work 6 10's and one day my oldest did some moarally questionable and it hit me like the proverbial ton of bricks. My solution was to spend as much time with her as possible to try and be a good role model. That was 2 years ago now My oldsest I feel has found her own path which seems to be the right one and not to sound sappy but Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors saved my family I really believe this My little girl(not so little now) has replaced my buddies as hunting and fishing companion but in the end it's a shared interest deal the onjly way to save our kids is to spend time with them. Tv and and and cannot replace the value and influence of being there to lead the way.
Insightful commentary from both of you gentlemen. Nate, stick to your principals and don't fall prey to peer pressure. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. Find a way to get out in the field, don't just live vicariously on the web.
16GA... it is good to hear of a parent really making a connection with thier child now days, especially a daughter! Keep up the good work and continue to be an example for your daughter and other parents in your town.
I see questions "planted" on this site which have ethical tones all the time. I am amazed at how only a few folks seem to read through the true meaning of the question. I am also saddened by the answers some of the ones that don't lay out there.
As hunters we definitely do need to do a better job in maintaining and ethical base in our sport.
Nate, well said. I want to tell a little story that relates to what you said. When I was a freshman in high school we had a county wide traveling trapshooting league. Every Saturday morning we shot our rounds and the following Monday, scores were read over the pa system with the rest of the morning announcements. Our trophies were displayed in the trophy cases along with the other sports trophies. Then some kid went nuts and killed a bunch of his classmates in some little town in Colorado. Our scores were no longer read, our trophies were removed from the case and our club was no longer recognized in the year book. This was a tragedy, instead of standing up and saying "These are a bunch of good responsible kids, firing thousands of rounds from hundreds of guns every week, and there has never been an accident, an injury, or an incident of any kind." They pushed us out of the school and pretended like we never existed. It's too bad a few bad apples can ruin things for everybody else.
Thanks Beekeeper, little confession I was a Kid when I had my first kid (I was 16) and really sometimes I used to feel more like a Big Brother than a Father which made it easier to overlook the moral thing ] because we were just goofing off when I was home. I learned the hard way to grow up and be a responsible role model. I really am kind of freightened when I look around at the average kid these days. I now have four kids of my own and it would be the easy way out to say I have my hands full, but you know what? there are so many of our young people out there that are worth saving from our society(all of them inner-city, to the single parents kids in the small towns)thats why I volunteer myself and my dog for youth upland hunts, and try to mentor kids through the conservation groups we are members of and if it's ok with their parents my kids friends are welcome to burn some powder at my house, I built a mini trap field and a backstop in our back pasture (the high house trap is a hand trap in the barn hay loft)I am looking into becomming a certified Hunters Ed. instructor Bottom line is WE HAVE TO STEP UP!! as sportsmen and women and parents and as responsible members of our communities! this trend in society is terrifying and daunting, but together we can change the world one mind, person, kid at a time.
P.S. to Golfing I am genuinely sorry for both your personal and your communities loss due to the ignorance of a few people
Golfing,
When I went to HS, I took a firearm to school almost twice or three times a week every week day durng hunting season. It never entered my mind to take a firearm into the school. I used my firearm for hunting rabbits, quail or pheasants after school with several friends a few of their grand parents or parents and dogs on various farms. We also shot hand traps in back yard in those days too. Sorry to hear your school reacted the way it did about your shooting sport. Maybe the educators need a little outdoors education too. My spouse is a middle school teacher. I would like to take to take a couiple of the ones that give her a hard time on a 20 mile, three-four day trek in some back country. It would be enlightening to see how tough or soft they really are, and how well they could prepare for a few nightsand days.
I think a lot of the Ethical problems of today stem from lazyness. Lazy parents, lazy children. Technology and Marketing support such laziness. Lets face it, the liberal media ain't helping either, along with a total lack of ethics in Politics and Business. Where's a young person to learn Ethics these days? Hopefully in the field hunting, or maybe through other sports. Good coaches sometimes teach ethics, but more are interested only in W's. Golf is a game that teaches ethics, honesty and self goverence, but it's a pricey hobby that takes years to learn and is not overly tolerant of novices. Outdoors, hopefully with a good dose of old fashioned conservatism, is a wonderful place to teach youngsters ethics, discipline and good judgement. We have no choice but to be disciplined with loaded guns in our hands. It definetly teaches consequence, and responsibility. My youngsters are >1 and 3.5yrs of age, but already i get my boy in the woods (w/o guns) and he enjoys it. I hope this'll grow into a lifelong partnership afield. His sister too will have every oppurtunity to enjoy hunting and fishing with us in a couple years. This is where i can best teach them about life, ethics and responsibility, enjoying nature at the same time. I know of no such endeavor better suited for for these lessons. I'm greatful for those i who taught me.
To answer the question w/o being longwinded and nostalgic,...We should hold ourselves to the Highest standard ethically when afield. When we don't we perpetuate the argument for the abolition of the very lifestyle we enjoy. Smarten up people.
I agree with you totally.
16..., I applaud your leadership. We need more leadership in our communities where everyday folks like your self take the initiative to help develop our youth. Take the next step and become a hunter ed instructor. You will not regret it. Become a member of the International Hunter Ed Association too, there is also a lot of useful information and ideas on the site that can be accessed by members. There are some pretty good benefits to being a member of that association as well. Check out the link:
http://www.ihea.com/
Thanks Beekeeper will look at it. And thank you for starting this thread, got me and from the look of it several others thinking.
All of the above!
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It is a combination of all of the above. I myself am a kid and my parents have told me multiple times that if i was a kid back in the 60's i'd be dead. That's where i told her that i would also gain more respect quicker and at a young age. I assure that at places like school it is very difficult to stay within the boundaries that me an my parents have indirectly set up without my arguing. I consider myself a lot better than most kids, and i can say that through my observation of the slobs at my school. I personally despise everything popular among the younger population where i live. (i live in a suburb of a big city, so hunting is not much around here).
I think that we have to hold ourselves to as high of standards as we dare to go. There is alot of anti-gun and anti-hunting organizations whose main aim is to get rid of people like us, and we have to show that we are more responsible and capable of holding whatever torch of leadership there is than them. It will give them no logical reason to attack us.
On the other hand, the good deeds that we do get no attention at all, it's all the stupid things that inconsiderate people that have no respect for other people's land do. It's our job to try to rid ourselves of that negative image.
Nate
Nate, well said. I want to tell a little story that relates to what you said. When I was a freshman in high school we had a county wide traveling trapshooting league. Every Saturday morning we shot our rounds and the following Monday, scores were read over the pa system with the rest of the morning announcements. Our trophies were displayed in the trophy cases along with the other sports trophies. Then some kid went nuts and killed a bunch of his classmates in some little town in Colorado. Our scores were no longer read, our trophies were removed from the case and our club was no longer recognized in the year book. This was a tragedy, instead of standing up and saying "These are a bunch of good responsible kids, firing thousands of rounds from hundreds of guns every week, and there has never been an accident, an injury, or an incident of any kind." They pushed us out of the school and pretended like we never existed. It's too bad a few bad apples can ruin things for everybody else.
Nate you ar eincredibly insightful for a self proclaimed "Kid" it's hard to go further than you have already. Having said that I agree that it is a combination af the above suggested people work longer hours more days a week now than ever before and we really need to remind ourselves to have the good old fashioned talks with our kids any more but really the responsibility lies with parents telling our kids what is ethical and responsible and what is not. I feel that the overwhelming reason is the majority of this generation of parents sit the kids in front of the tv they'll be ok I'm sorry but thats CRAP! I am partially guilty I work in agriculture and work 6 10's and one day my oldest did some moarally questionable and it hit me like the proverbial ton of bricks. My solution was to spend as much time with her as possible to try and be a good role model. That was 2 years ago now My oldsest I feel has found her own path which seems to be the right one and not to sound sappy but Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors saved my family I really believe this My little girl(not so little now) has replaced my buddies as hunting and fishing companion but in the end it's a shared interest deal the onjly way to save our kids is to spend time with them. Tv and and and cannot replace the value and influence of being there to lead the way.
Insightful commentary from both of you gentlemen. Nate, stick to your principals and don't fall prey to peer pressure. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. Find a way to get out in the field, don't just live vicariously on the web.
16GA... it is good to hear of a parent really making a connection with thier child now days, especially a daughter! Keep up the good work and continue to be an example for your daughter and other parents in your town.
I see questions "planted" on this site which have ethical tones all the time. I am amazed at how only a few folks seem to read through the true meaning of the question. I am also saddened by the answers some of the ones that don't lay out there.
As hunters we definitely do need to do a better job in maintaining and ethical base in our sport.
Thanks Beekeeper, little confession I was a Kid when I had my first kid (I was 16) and really sometimes I used to feel more like a Big Brother than a Father which made it easier to overlook the moral thing ] because we were just goofing off when I was home. I learned the hard way to grow up and be a responsible role model. I really am kind of freightened when I look around at the average kid these days. I now have four kids of my own and it would be the easy way out to say I have my hands full, but you know what? there are so many of our young people out there that are worth saving from our society(all of them inner-city, to the single parents kids in the small towns)thats why I volunteer myself and my dog for youth upland hunts, and try to mentor kids through the conservation groups we are members of and if it's ok with their parents my kids friends are welcome to burn some powder at my house, I built a mini trap field and a backstop in our back pasture (the high house trap is a hand trap in the barn hay loft)I am looking into becomming a certified Hunters Ed. instructor Bottom line is WE HAVE TO STEP UP!! as sportsmen and women and parents and as responsible members of our communities! this trend in society is terrifying and daunting, but together we can change the world one mind, person, kid at a time.
P.S. to Golfing I am genuinely sorry for both your personal and your communities loss due to the ignorance of a few people
I think a lot of the Ethical problems of today stem from lazyness. Lazy parents, lazy children. Technology and Marketing support such laziness. Lets face it, the liberal media ain't helping either, along with a total lack of ethics in Politics and Business. Where's a young person to learn Ethics these days? Hopefully in the field hunting, or maybe through other sports. Good coaches sometimes teach ethics, but more are interested only in W's. Golf is a game that teaches ethics, honesty and self goverence, but it's a pricey hobby that takes years to learn and is not overly tolerant of novices. Outdoors, hopefully with a good dose of old fashioned conservatism, is a wonderful place to teach youngsters ethics, discipline and good judgement. We have no choice but to be disciplined with loaded guns in our hands. It definetly teaches consequence, and responsibility. My youngsters are >1 and 3.5yrs of age, but already i get my boy in the woods (w/o guns) and he enjoys it. I hope this'll grow into a lifelong partnership afield. His sister too will have every oppurtunity to enjoy hunting and fishing with us in a couple years. This is where i can best teach them about life, ethics and responsibility, enjoying nature at the same time. I know of no such endeavor better suited for for these lessons. I'm greatful for those i who taught me.
To answer the question w/o being longwinded and nostalgic,...We should hold ourselves to the Highest standard ethically when afield. When we don't we perpetuate the argument for the abolition of the very lifestyle we enjoy. Smarten up people.
Golfing,
When I went to HS, I took a firearm to school almost twice or three times a week every week day durng hunting season. It never entered my mind to take a firearm into the school. I used my firearm for hunting rabbits, quail or pheasants after school with several friends a few of their grand parents or parents and dogs on various farms. We also shot hand traps in back yard in those days too. Sorry to hear your school reacted the way it did about your shooting sport. Maybe the educators need a little outdoors education too. My spouse is a middle school teacher. I would like to take to take a couiple of the ones that give her a hard time on a 20 mile, three-four day trek in some back country. It would be enlightening to see how tough or soft they really are, and how well they could prepare for a few nightsand days.
I agree with you totally.
16..., I applaud your leadership. We need more leadership in our communities where everyday folks like your self take the initiative to help develop our youth. Take the next step and become a hunter ed instructor. You will not regret it. Become a member of the International Hunter Ed Association too, there is also a lot of useful information and ideas on the site that can be accessed by members. There are some pretty good benefits to being a member of that association as well. Check out the link:
http://www.ihea.com/
Thanks Beekeeper will look at it. And thank you for starting this thread, got me and from the look of it several others thinking.
All of the above!
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