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Poachers! What do you do?

Uploaded on June 15, 2009

I have been seeing a lot of poachers lately fishing the local streams, lakes, and rivers. Some of them are using bait in places where it is illegal, some of them are snagging, and some of them walk around with twice their limit of trout or smallmouth.

It seems the typical answer when I tell these folks they are breaking the law is "Its none of your business unless your a conservation agent".

Then they generally walk, or drive off.

What do you do?

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Tell them you will call the DEC if you see them breaking the law.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I will usually politely point out the rules if it is just some kids who may not know better.

Otherwise, I just call Fish & Game and get a vehicle description and tag number. I'm not particulary scared of those kind of folks, but it is not my job to risk an armed confrontation. Which will always be the kind of confrontation you might have with me since I am always armed.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunters right. Get the tag # and description and call the law. Some places have "rewards" for turning in these "thiefs".

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Don't tell them anything.
Observe them without you being observed, and place your local conservation officer on speed-dial.

It would help if you called him first, and describe to him what you just told us, and ask him if he would respond?

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from catchmorefish wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I would call TIP line. The number is on the back of fishing license. And if they catch the poachers, you get a cash reward for your help and tips.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Take their tag number and just call the cons. agent. Like WA Mtnhunter said, it might turn into a dangerous situation so be careful. If you have your protection permit and a pistol you should always keep it with you. You never know when you might need it!

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah, I consider myself a fairly easy going guy. I would never dream of reporting someone without telling them they did something wrong..... If they seem to just be ignorant of the regs, then I would be very tempted to let it go, if I felt they wouldn't continue the practice. But when someone is blatant about it, it pisses me off like no other. I feel like they are stealing my fish, and frankly don't give a &%!&. I don't take kindly to that at all.

But if I spent my time reporting every violator I saw, I would never be fishing. I would be spending 90% of my time calling the poacher hotline. There is one very popular trout stream I know of (those of you from the Ozarks will know which one), where it literally seems the preferred way to catch trout is to stand on an old bridge, spot fish, and snag them with a treble hook. I have since just quit fishing in that stream because it makes me sick. The conservation department never busts them, even though they have an office 1/2 mile away, with several agents.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah, I consider myself a fairly easy going guy. I would never dream of reporting someone without telling them they did something wrong..... If they seem to just be ignorant of the regs, then I would be very tempted to let it go, if I felt they wouldn't continue the practice. But when someone is blatant about it, it pisses me off like no other. I feel like they are stealing my fish, and frankly don't give a &%!&. I don't take kindly to that at all.

But if I spent my time reporting every violator I saw, I would never be fishing. I would be spending 90% of my time calling the poacher hotline. There is one very popular trout stream I know of (those of you from the Ozarks will know which one), where it literally seems the preferred way to catch trout is to stand on an old bridge, spot fish, and snag them with a treble hook. I have since just quit fishing in that stream because it makes me sick. The conservation department never busts them, even though they have an office 1/2 mile away, with several agents.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

First, you stake them out, then try to hide along their path of travel, and when you get a chance, you put an NFL tackle on them and take away their stringer of poached trout and beat them senseless with it!

Actually, as I have a limited role in law enforcement duties within my park system (I am not permitted to be armed on duty either), and I work a lot with the local sherrif, the best thing to do is get a description of the person, and especially tag#'s and vehicle description, and document the behavior- treat it like you are filling out a detailed police report, date, time, location, and narrative- if you can get some pictures without being noticed that is even better... as civilian citizens certainly do not put yourself in harm's way- a few fish are not worth being attacked over. Turn in your statement to the authorities adn hopefully they will follow through.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Went to another trout stream yesterday here in Missouri. Not really a lot of poaching in this stream usually, but low and behold I saw a guy walking around with seven trout on his stringer, with a limit of four. Problem was, I didn't have cell reception, and was quite a ways from the nearest place that did. I was left basically in the situation where there was nothing I could do.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

snap a picture if you can, get their plate number and call the d. e. c .

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

It's makes me sad when I see people that don't seem to care what they do is wrong and they would sove it in your face if they could.
You'll just end up stressed out tring to solve this one. Trust me I know. Chances are, the law will let it go in one ear and out the other, if you report it. And you'll just get more frustrated with the situtation. Try not to let it ruin your fishing trips. Take care and Hope you catch a big one.

I'll probubly get downed on that one, but It's the truth try it and see.

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from Elliott Balthazor wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

You can warn them and if they don't listen call the police to foreward you to a game warden and then give them the car's i.d.

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from the hunter wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

I have never seen one but I have found stuff they have left behind on my property.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

ID GET THERE PLATE NUMBER IF POSSIBLE,AND TURN IT IN TO FISH AN GAME.I WOULDNT PUT YOURSELF IN HARMS WAY EITHER.THINK OF ALL THE GAME GETTING TOOK WHEN THERES NO ONE SEEING THERE COWERDLY ACTS.HAPPY FISHING!

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Get any piece of information that you can, vehicle, physical description, etc. anything that you can come up with and call your local warden and turn them in! There is no shame in reporting a poacher! They can and will destroy our pastime if we don't care enough to do the right thing.

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from ggmack wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

we have that problem with a certain ethnincity and tautog. We just call DNREC. If none are around they will tell us to tell the park attendant and they will stop the poachers from leaving the park.

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from dannieburk46 wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Video tape it from a safe distance and turn the tape over to the proper authorities

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from tom donohue wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

here in Wash. St. I will turn you in for a wildlife violation so
fast you'll think a predator drone nailed you. my motivation-you
and your crime are worth 10 Bonus Points for my next wished for
hunt of a lifetime. So please please poach.

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from ggmack wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

i point out the rules and regs. if they listen then no issue.
if they do not listen then i let the ranger handle it.

i work as one for three summers. All the rangers fish and hunt with the locals all anyone of us has to do is give location description and violation. they are quick to respond to any and all reports.

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

report report report, both my neighbors shoot deer year round. Both are employeed and have no need for extra protein. I've reported and reported, I hae no Idea if a game officer has ever responded. I never recieved a follow up call or visit. I did my part how came the state cant do theirs? ONe neighbor shoots bucks weeks before any legal season, his home and barnes are adorned with deer horns. I hear a rifle shot point my attention in the direction of fire and hear "tony" congratulating "earl" on a such a huge buck 4 weeks ahead of legal gun season. SOME PEOPLE.

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from bamaoutdoorsman93 wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

I agree with WA mtnhunter. Good job on the always armed part. You never know nowadays.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

I always told people to get me as much info as possible. Description of person, clothes, hair color, car color, make , tag no. and call me as soon as possible. Don't confront the people. Even here in WV citizen's arrests are legal, almost all citizens haven't been trained to do this type work. Just being armed isn't being trained to arrest people. People know the law. There are very few people that are ignorant of the law. It does no good to point the law out to them because they don't care anyway. We had limited Conservation Officers and we valued the input from the sportsman about the illegal activity taking place in the woods and along the streams and lakes. Without the responsible and ethical sportsman our wildlife would soon disapear. I had a large group of contacts that regularly contacted me with reports of illegal activity and I made many arrests from the information they provided me. The people are stealing the wildlife from law abiding sportsman and they can be described as common thieves. Some of them didn't like me calling them that but that is what they are. We need to protect our natural resources for our future generations. I have grandsons and I'm sure some of you do too and I hope they will have the wildlife around to hunt when they get older. The bottom line- REPORT THEM.

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from GERG wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

We have an 800 poaching line available 24/7. I will report gross violators. If its just a kid I might have a chat with him or her and see how their attitude is. You can get a little overzealous and very excited if your catchin the heck out of them. I think we have all been there.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

As above, get all the appropriate information you can and don't try to take the law into your own hands. Some years back some idjits decided to poach a deer out of one of our hayfields. I was very close at the time and during the course of explaining the error of their ways to them, happened to empty a deer rifle in the general vicinity, not in their direction but close enough to make a lasting impression. I also got the license # and turned them in, resulting in charges, fines, etc. Afterwards the local conservation officer and friends in law enforcement told me that in the future, leave it to them and quit playing John Wayne, what I did wasn't overly bright, and they were right. I know, Sarge, not among my better ideas, with age comes wisdom.

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

Before I go to rattling at someone for "breaking" the law, I need to be absolutely certain that I'm not guilty either.
Since I'm certainly not perfect, (just forgiven!) I'm not saying anything to anybody else!
I have a theory called, "The Man In The Mirror!"
HOW TO BE HAPPY WITH THE MAN IN THE MIRROR
1. Be honest
2. Have integrity
3. Be right with God
4. Live everyday with God
5. Enrich body and mind
6. Allow God to direct thoughts and desires
7. Stay active. Not only in body and mind, but in Christ!

Follow these rules and when you rise each morning and greet the "man in the mirror", you can look at him and smile!

For the people who break the rules? If they are breaking them now, they aren't going to stop. IT WILL catch up with them!

Bubba

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I will usually politely point out the rules if it is just some kids who may not know better.

Otherwise, I just call Fish & Game and get a vehicle description and tag number. I'm not particulary scared of those kind of folks, but it is not my job to risk an armed confrontation. Which will always be the kind of confrontation you might have with me since I am always armed.

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Don't tell them anything.
Observe them without you being observed, and place your local conservation officer on speed-dial.

It would help if you called him first, and describe to him what you just told us, and ask him if he would respond?

+5 Good Comment? | | Report
from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Take their tag number and just call the cons. agent. Like WA Mtnhunter said, it might turn into a dangerous situation so be careful. If you have your protection permit and a pistol you should always keep it with you. You never know when you might need it!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah, I consider myself a fairly easy going guy. I would never dream of reporting someone without telling them they did something wrong..... If they seem to just be ignorant of the regs, then I would be very tempted to let it go, if I felt they wouldn't continue the practice. But when someone is blatant about it, it pisses me off like no other. I feel like they are stealing my fish, and frankly don't give a &%!&. I don't take kindly to that at all.

But if I spent my time reporting every violator I saw, I would never be fishing. I would be spending 90% of my time calling the poacher hotline. There is one very popular trout stream I know of (those of you from the Ozarks will know which one), where it literally seems the preferred way to catch trout is to stand on an old bridge, spot fish, and snag them with a treble hook. I have since just quit fishing in that stream because it makes me sick. The conservation department never busts them, even though they have an office 1/2 mile away, with several agents.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

First, you stake them out, then try to hide along their path of travel, and when you get a chance, you put an NFL tackle on them and take away their stringer of poached trout and beat them senseless with it!

Actually, as I have a limited role in law enforcement duties within my park system (I am not permitted to be armed on duty either), and I work a lot with the local sherrif, the best thing to do is get a description of the person, and especially tag#'s and vehicle description, and document the behavior- treat it like you are filling out a detailed police report, date, time, location, and narrative- if you can get some pictures without being noticed that is even better... as civilian citizens certainly do not put yourself in harm's way- a few fish are not worth being attacked over. Turn in your statement to the authorities adn hopefully they will follow through.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunters right. Get the tag # and description and call the law. Some places have "rewards" for turning in these "thiefs".

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from catchmorefish wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I would call TIP line. The number is on the back of fishing license. And if they catch the poachers, you get a cash reward for your help and tips.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Elliott Balthazor wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

You can warn them and if they don't listen call the police to foreward you to a game warden and then give them the car's i.d.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Tell them you will call the DEC if you see them breaking the law.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah, I consider myself a fairly easy going guy. I would never dream of reporting someone without telling them they did something wrong..... If they seem to just be ignorant of the regs, then I would be very tempted to let it go, if I felt they wouldn't continue the practice. But when someone is blatant about it, it pisses me off like no other. I feel like they are stealing my fish, and frankly don't give a &%!&. I don't take kindly to that at all.

But if I spent my time reporting every violator I saw, I would never be fishing. I would be spending 90% of my time calling the poacher hotline. There is one very popular trout stream I know of (those of you from the Ozarks will know which one), where it literally seems the preferred way to catch trout is to stand on an old bridge, spot fish, and snag them with a treble hook. I have since just quit fishing in that stream because it makes me sick. The conservation department never busts them, even though they have an office 1/2 mile away, with several agents.

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Went to another trout stream yesterday here in Missouri. Not really a lot of poaching in this stream usually, but low and behold I saw a guy walking around with seven trout on his stringer, with a limit of four. Problem was, I didn't have cell reception, and was quite a ways from the nearest place that did. I was left basically in the situation where there was nothing I could do.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

snap a picture if you can, get their plate number and call the d. e. c .

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from AndyH wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

It's makes me sad when I see people that don't seem to care what they do is wrong and they would sove it in your face if they could.
You'll just end up stressed out tring to solve this one. Trust me I know. Chances are, the law will let it go in one ear and out the other, if you report it. And you'll just get more frustrated with the situtation. Try not to let it ruin your fishing trips. Take care and Hope you catch a big one.

I'll probubly get downed on that one, but It's the truth try it and see.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from the hunter wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

I have never seen one but I have found stuff they have left behind on my property.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Get any piece of information that you can, vehicle, physical description, etc. anything that you can come up with and call your local warden and turn them in! There is no shame in reporting a poacher! They can and will destroy our pastime if we don't care enough to do the right thing.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ggmack wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

we have that problem with a certain ethnincity and tautog. We just call DNREC. If none are around they will tell us to tell the park attendant and they will stop the poachers from leaving the park.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from dannieburk46 wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Video tape it from a safe distance and turn the tape over to the proper authorities

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from tom donohue wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

here in Wash. St. I will turn you in for a wildlife violation so
fast you'll think a predator drone nailed you. my motivation-you
and your crime are worth 10 Bonus Points for my next wished for
hunt of a lifetime. So please please poach.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ggmack wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

i point out the rules and regs. if they listen then no issue.
if they do not listen then i let the ranger handle it.

i work as one for three summers. All the rangers fish and hunt with the locals all anyone of us has to do is give location description and violation. they are quick to respond to any and all reports.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Cgull wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

report report report, both my neighbors shoot deer year round. Both are employeed and have no need for extra protein. I've reported and reported, I hae no Idea if a game officer has ever responded. I never recieved a follow up call or visit. I did my part how came the state cant do theirs? ONe neighbor shoots bucks weeks before any legal season, his home and barnes are adorned with deer horns. I hear a rifle shot point my attention in the direction of fire and hear "tony" congratulating "earl" on a such a huge buck 4 weeks ahead of legal gun season. SOME PEOPLE.

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from bamaoutdoorsman93 wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

I agree with WA mtnhunter. Good job on the always armed part. You never know nowadays.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

I always told people to get me as much info as possible. Description of person, clothes, hair color, car color, make , tag no. and call me as soon as possible. Don't confront the people. Even here in WV citizen's arrests are legal, almost all citizens haven't been trained to do this type work. Just being armed isn't being trained to arrest people. People know the law. There are very few people that are ignorant of the law. It does no good to point the law out to them because they don't care anyway. We had limited Conservation Officers and we valued the input from the sportsman about the illegal activity taking place in the woods and along the streams and lakes. Without the responsible and ethical sportsman our wildlife would soon disapear. I had a large group of contacts that regularly contacted me with reports of illegal activity and I made many arrests from the information they provided me. The people are stealing the wildlife from law abiding sportsman and they can be described as common thieves. Some of them didn't like me calling them that but that is what they are. We need to protect our natural resources for our future generations. I have grandsons and I'm sure some of you do too and I hope they will have the wildlife around to hunt when they get older. The bottom line- REPORT THEM.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from GERG wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

We have an 800 poaching line available 24/7. I will report gross violators. If its just a kid I might have a chat with him or her and see how their attitude is. You can get a little overzealous and very excited if your catchin the heck out of them. I think we have all been there.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from 007 wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

As above, get all the appropriate information you can and don't try to take the law into your own hands. Some years back some idjits decided to poach a deer out of one of our hayfields. I was very close at the time and during the course of explaining the error of their ways to them, happened to empty a deer rifle in the general vicinity, not in their direction but close enough to make a lasting impression. I also got the license # and turned them in, resulting in charges, fines, etc. Afterwards the local conservation officer and friends in law enforcement told me that in the future, leave it to them and quit playing John Wayne, what I did wasn't overly bright, and they were right. I know, Sarge, not among my better ideas, with age comes wisdom.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

Before I go to rattling at someone for "breaking" the law, I need to be absolutely certain that I'm not guilty either.
Since I'm certainly not perfect, (just forgiven!) I'm not saying anything to anybody else!
I have a theory called, "The Man In The Mirror!"
HOW TO BE HAPPY WITH THE MAN IN THE MIRROR
1. Be honest
2. Have integrity
3. Be right with God
4. Live everyday with God
5. Enrich body and mind
6. Allow God to direct thoughts and desires
7. Stay active. Not only in body and mind, but in Christ!

Follow these rules and when you rise each morning and greet the "man in the mirror", you can look at him and smile!

For the people who break the rules? If they are breaking them now, they aren't going to stop. IT WILL catch up with them!

Bubba

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

ID GET THERE PLATE NUMBER IF POSSIBLE,AND TURN IT IN TO FISH AN GAME.I WOULDNT PUT YOURSELF IN HARMS WAY EITHER.THINK OF ALL THE GAME GETTING TOOK WHEN THERES NO ONE SEEING THERE COWERDLY ACTS.HAPPY FISHING!

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