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Okay fellow archers, where they are legal, what are the pros and cons of using lighted nocks? What brands have you tried? What brands would you recommend? I've pretty much made my mind up on buying the Easton Tracer RLi's this year (unless someone here convinces me otherwise).
Now, aside from brands and features, are they an ethical tool to use in general? I feel they would certainly help in determining the lethality of a less-than-perfect shot. They will also help in fine tuning arrow flight. But would they cause a hunter to shoot a deer at dusk when he may not have otherwise?
Please discuss...
I have tried tracers brand, easton, lumnock, etc. I do not like them for one reason it adds twenty grams roughly to the back of the arrow which starts to counter my arrows which I like as weight forward as I can get them. As far as working they all seem to work fine I just hate what it takes away from my arrow. I am sure some people would take those later shots but than that is where we ask are they really sportsman or killers? I have my own standards for light and bow hunting as should every person. Regardless of lights those standards should never be broken. I honestly film all my hunts so I can go back and see how good they are. But I can see how it may help people see there shots better. It is one of those things there is no right or wrong rather personal preference.
I have used both lumi-nocks and the eastons. I like the the way the easton knock seats a little better as i doesn't have those two little wires like the lumis. I also like that it goes to strobe shortly after the shot allowing longer life. The magnet thing can be a pain and often i'd find every arrow in my quiver blinking after tryig to turn one off. They are great for tuning arrowflight as you mentioned. I don't think you'll take a shot any later as it doesn't help you see the target before the shot. I have no ethical problem using them where legal. They do give you a better feedback on the shot and may case you to wait a few hours instead of pushing a mortally but not perfectly hit deer, hence recovering instead of maybe loosing it. No ethical bebate there. Use'm if you gott'em.
Illegal in Colorado. Every so often, someone tries to change that, but it keeps getting killed. I suspect by people who don't really understand how they work. I wish they would let people use them, simply for shot tracking so you know whether or not you need to wait a while before pursuing your game, as mentioned above. They don't do anything until after the release anyway.
The way to go is nocturnals. They are $15 for 2 of them so they are pretty cheap. You just pull out your old nock and push these in and shoot them. They light up everytime and just take the tip from another arrow and push the tiny lever like plate on it till it shuts off. Great to use always lights up and very very bright. I Perfer red the best. There are also no magnets and the only way to turn them on is to shoot them and turning them off is a snap.
I would highly recommend the nocturnal lighted arrow nocks, they are really bright and very reliable. In the past I have tried lumenocks and had nothing but problems with them. Same with my brother and dad. My dad uses the carbon express lighted nocks and he likes them a lot and is happy with their performance.
Looks like it'll be Nockturnals. Thanks all.
One more thing... what color is best?
Red, green for me hasnt always lit up when shot and we havent had a problem with red yet.
Good... I ordered a 3 pack of red Nockturnal X's today. We'll give em a whirl thru the Bowtech next week.
I bought some lumenok tracer, and i think they are great. I guess it all comes down to your prefence. It is definately cool to watch them fly through the air!
I just shot a doe with my goldtip/ lumenok and it worked. Saw my arrow flight, impact and deer running off with nok in tow. After waiting a while , started tracking deer and found arrow with nok lit(that is a big plus of lit noks to me), the only problem I found after shooting that deer was the lumenok seemed to not work.? I removed nock to find blood etc around the wire/contact, cleaned it up a bit and it seems to work. I worry about the contacts and if this will happen everytime? Not familiar with evry brand.
I've taken two does so far this year with my Nockturnal backed Easton Axis. The first was a 34 yard shot, and the nock told me everything I needed to know. The shot was just about perfect and she went 30 yards and laid down. I couldnt find the arrow at first as she was on the horizon, but after changing my angle I could see the bright red gleam. The second doe was a very close shot, maybe 10 yards and quartering away pretty hard. I aimed at about the 5th rib back and watched that lazer hit its mark, then saw it stuck in the ground below where she stood. She only went 70 yards and fell too. I'll never hunt without lighted nocks again (unless they're not legal).
I think there is a fine line to walk concerning their use. If it's early in the season and you're just starting your time in the timber, then you ought to be a sportsman and leave the lighted nocks at home. However, if it's down to the last few days of the season and you've got a left over tag to fill then I can see where one would want to make the most of every final minute.
How is the use lighted nocks indicative of poor sportsmanship? If anything, it makes you a more responsible hunter. The nocks do nothing to help you hit your mark, that skill is independent of the peripheral equipment you use. Lighted nocks only serve to aid in your awareness of your arrow's point of impact.
As bow hunters, we strive to harvest our quarry in the quickest and most efficient means possible. If we were to make an errant shot, which even the best of us sometimes do, the lighted nock would help us know it and tell us to back out and give the animal time to lay down and expire. I find it incredible that they are frowned upon at all.
I've been bow hunting about 30 years, but just added lighted nocks this year. I bought a set of 3 carbon bolts from Cabela's that had the nocks in them already, so I'm not sure of the brand, but they are the type that uses a magnet to trigger them. They have worked well in the field so far, lighting on every shot. First kill was a doe on the edge of a hay field. It was great to clearly see the impact and when the arrow passed clean through I was able to easily find it blinking in the waist-high hay. I re-used the same bolt on a six point who went about 80 yards as I watched the nock glow on his side and knew I had made a good shot. When I got to him the arrow had broken just past the fletches but the nock end was still in his side and I was able to save the nock and put it in another bolt. I like them for what they are and will continue to use them. They by no means affect my thoughts on whether to take a shot or not. That simply comes down to good judgement.
I used one for the first time this weekend. It worked well in flight but did not stay lit after the impact. I was using a Lumenok in an Easton crossbow bolt. I had to use a shim to get it to fit right so I am not surprised it did not work after hitting the deer. I will still use them but will definitely try some other brands to see if the fit is better.
I don't see any ethical issues with their use. I base my shot choice on how well I can see my sights and the deer not if I can see the arrow. Just like with all technology, it should help you do the right thing better, not replace good decision making and ethical hunting practices.
Chuckles, try the Nockturnals. I've put three of them through deer this year and all three lit up like Christmas! I couldn't give them a higher rating.
the one i used this year had a dead battery by the time i needed it which is unfortunate since it was fairly new. It did light for a split second and i could tell it was headed where it was intended.
Thanks Chris, I have 40.00 into Lumenoks right now and the others I bought fit the shafts much better. That one arrow must have been a little out of spec. I will try the Nocturnals as the Lumenoks wear out. I am not sold on Lumenoks by any means but so far they work.
I was sitting here at the computer and Uncle Ted was on the TV badmouthing the states that do not allow Lumenoks, of course he was badmouthing states that had laws that he didn't agree with. If he didn't agree with the law then it was a bad law. His arrogance really gets next to me. Just because he thinks a law is bad dosen't make it a bad law. He has had a chip on his shoulder ever since he got busted. He needs to get it off.
I agree Sarge. While he can be entertaining at times, he largely does more to harm our cause than further it. We don't need guys out there starting fights and making waves just because they can. We need well informed, educated, civil minded representatives to sell the cause of conservation to the rest of the nation. Badmouthing everyone and calling them stupid such as the Nuge does is sophomoric and outright unacceptable.
That said, laws against the use of lighted nocks are stupid. ;)
Never personally shot w/ a lit knock - what you could do instead is setup a GOPRO or two on the edge of your stand facing your shooting lanes. For the average hunter self filmed hunts are just a little too much to handle, this can capture some of the fun w/o adding a challenge to your hunt. They just came out with a new one that is $199 and still high quality - I use mine and have found that you can see where the arrow goes well enough to know whether to go our back out.
I just started using Nockturnals, so far so good
Grant, While I'll agree that filming a hunt with a GoPro or something similar would be cool, it may or may not help in retrieval. How often do your deer stop exactly where you would have a camera pointed to? With the lighted nock, you'll always SEE the arrow fly and know exactly where you hit. Watching it on TV later would just be an added bonus.
Chris, Depending on the light, you can see the arrow fly and enter a deers body fairly well. I've seen a few videos online of people who take a few cameras out and strap them facing their shooting lanes - the amount of viewing area without moving the cameras allows for you to see a pretty good area, but no doubt, if you have your cameras in a fixed position there is a good chance you won't get the shot on tape. I actually use a Swann action cam that has a headstra - not quite the quality of a gopro. More than anything, it allows you to get a second look of the deers body language as it runs off. A good way to add some extra expense to a an already expensive hobby.
Fair enough, but I'm tellin ya, all three deer I shot this year I knew exactly where I hit. It was like a laser entering their chest and there was no mistaking the lethality of each hit (it also helped that I watched all three fall within 50 yards of shot).
As for the camera, I do have a Wildview Action Cam that I can strap to my stabilizer. I just haven't done so yet... I also have a tree mount arm for my HD mini camcorder. Next year I'm filming one, and having the lighted nock will make that footage all the better. I can't wait!
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I have tried tracers brand, easton, lumnock, etc. I do not like them for one reason it adds twenty grams roughly to the back of the arrow which starts to counter my arrows which I like as weight forward as I can get them. As far as working they all seem to work fine I just hate what it takes away from my arrow. I am sure some people would take those later shots but than that is where we ask are they really sportsman or killers? I have my own standards for light and bow hunting as should every person. Regardless of lights those standards should never be broken. I honestly film all my hunts so I can go back and see how good they are. But I can see how it may help people see there shots better. It is one of those things there is no right or wrong rather personal preference.
Illegal in Colorado. Every so often, someone tries to change that, but it keeps getting killed. I suspect by people who don't really understand how they work. I wish they would let people use them, simply for shot tracking so you know whether or not you need to wait a while before pursuing your game, as mentioned above. They don't do anything until after the release anyway.
The way to go is nocturnals. They are $15 for 2 of them so they are pretty cheap. You just pull out your old nock and push these in and shoot them. They light up everytime and just take the tip from another arrow and push the tiny lever like plate on it till it shuts off. Great to use always lights up and very very bright. I Perfer red the best. There are also no magnets and the only way to turn them on is to shoot them and turning them off is a snap.
I would highly recommend the nocturnal lighted arrow nocks, they are really bright and very reliable. In the past I have tried lumenocks and had nothing but problems with them. Same with my brother and dad. My dad uses the carbon express lighted nocks and he likes them a lot and is happy with their performance.
I just shot a doe with my goldtip/ lumenok and it worked. Saw my arrow flight, impact and deer running off with nok in tow. After waiting a while , started tracking deer and found arrow with nok lit(that is a big plus of lit noks to me), the only problem I found after shooting that deer was the lumenok seemed to not work.? I removed nock to find blood etc around the wire/contact, cleaned it up a bit and it seems to work. I worry about the contacts and if this will happen everytime? Not familiar with evry brand.
I've been bow hunting about 30 years, but just added lighted nocks this year. I bought a set of 3 carbon bolts from Cabela's that had the nocks in them already, so I'm not sure of the brand, but they are the type that uses a magnet to trigger them. They have worked well in the field so far, lighting on every shot. First kill was a doe on the edge of a hay field. It was great to clearly see the impact and when the arrow passed clean through I was able to easily find it blinking in the waist-high hay. I re-used the same bolt on a six point who went about 80 yards as I watched the nock glow on his side and knew I had made a good shot. When I got to him the arrow had broken just past the fletches but the nock end was still in his side and I was able to save the nock and put it in another bolt. I like them for what they are and will continue to use them. They by no means affect my thoughts on whether to take a shot or not. That simply comes down to good judgement.
I used one for the first time this weekend. It worked well in flight but did not stay lit after the impact. I was using a Lumenok in an Easton crossbow bolt. I had to use a shim to get it to fit right so I am not surprised it did not work after hitting the deer. I will still use them but will definitely try some other brands to see if the fit is better.
I don't see any ethical issues with their use. I base my shot choice on how well I can see my sights and the deer not if I can see the arrow. Just like with all technology, it should help you do the right thing better, not replace good decision making and ethical hunting practices.
Thanks Chris, I have 40.00 into Lumenoks right now and the others I bought fit the shafts much better. That one arrow must have been a little out of spec. I will try the Nocturnals as the Lumenoks wear out. I am not sold on Lumenoks by any means but so far they work.
I was sitting here at the computer and Uncle Ted was on the TV badmouthing the states that do not allow Lumenoks, of course he was badmouthing states that had laws that he didn't agree with. If he didn't agree with the law then it was a bad law. His arrogance really gets next to me. Just because he thinks a law is bad dosen't make it a bad law. He has had a chip on his shoulder ever since he got busted. He needs to get it off.
I just started using Nockturnals, so far so good
Chris, Depending on the light, you can see the arrow fly and enter a deers body fairly well. I've seen a few videos online of people who take a few cameras out and strap them facing their shooting lanes - the amount of viewing area without moving the cameras allows for you to see a pretty good area, but no doubt, if you have your cameras in a fixed position there is a good chance you won't get the shot on tape. I actually use a Swann action cam that has a headstra - not quite the quality of a gopro. More than anything, it allows you to get a second look of the deers body language as it runs off. A good way to add some extra expense to a an already expensive hobby.
I have used both lumi-nocks and the eastons. I like the the way the easton knock seats a little better as i doesn't have those two little wires like the lumis. I also like that it goes to strobe shortly after the shot allowing longer life. The magnet thing can be a pain and often i'd find every arrow in my quiver blinking after tryig to turn one off. They are great for tuning arrowflight as you mentioned. I don't think you'll take a shot any later as it doesn't help you see the target before the shot. I have no ethical problem using them where legal. They do give you a better feedback on the shot and may case you to wait a few hours instead of pushing a mortally but not perfectly hit deer, hence recovering instead of maybe loosing it. No ethical bebate there. Use'm if you gott'em.
Red, green for me hasnt always lit up when shot and we havent had a problem with red yet.
I bought some lumenok tracer, and i think they are great. I guess it all comes down to your prefence. It is definately cool to watch them fly through the air!
How is the use lighted nocks indicative of poor sportsmanship? If anything, it makes you a more responsible hunter. The nocks do nothing to help you hit your mark, that skill is independent of the peripheral equipment you use. Lighted nocks only serve to aid in your awareness of your arrow's point of impact.
As bow hunters, we strive to harvest our quarry in the quickest and most efficient means possible. If we were to make an errant shot, which even the best of us sometimes do, the lighted nock would help us know it and tell us to back out and give the animal time to lay down and expire. I find it incredible that they are frowned upon at all.
Chuckles, try the Nockturnals. I've put three of them through deer this year and all three lit up like Christmas! I couldn't give them a higher rating.
the one i used this year had a dead battery by the time i needed it which is unfortunate since it was fairly new. It did light for a split second and i could tell it was headed where it was intended.
I agree Sarge. While he can be entertaining at times, he largely does more to harm our cause than further it. We don't need guys out there starting fights and making waves just because they can. We need well informed, educated, civil minded representatives to sell the cause of conservation to the rest of the nation. Badmouthing everyone and calling them stupid such as the Nuge does is sophomoric and outright unacceptable.
That said, laws against the use of lighted nocks are stupid. ;)
Never personally shot w/ a lit knock - what you could do instead is setup a GOPRO or two on the edge of your stand facing your shooting lanes. For the average hunter self filmed hunts are just a little too much to handle, this can capture some of the fun w/o adding a challenge to your hunt. They just came out with a new one that is $199 and still high quality - I use mine and have found that you can see where the arrow goes well enough to know whether to go our back out.
Grant, While I'll agree that filming a hunt with a GoPro or something similar would be cool, it may or may not help in retrieval. How often do your deer stop exactly where you would have a camera pointed to? With the lighted nock, you'll always SEE the arrow fly and know exactly where you hit. Watching it on TV later would just be an added bonus.
Looks like it'll be Nockturnals. Thanks all.
One more thing... what color is best?
Good... I ordered a 3 pack of red Nockturnal X's today. We'll give em a whirl thru the Bowtech next week.
I've taken two does so far this year with my Nockturnal backed Easton Axis. The first was a 34 yard shot, and the nock told me everything I needed to know. The shot was just about perfect and she went 30 yards and laid down. I couldnt find the arrow at first as she was on the horizon, but after changing my angle I could see the bright red gleam. The second doe was a very close shot, maybe 10 yards and quartering away pretty hard. I aimed at about the 5th rib back and watched that lazer hit its mark, then saw it stuck in the ground below where she stood. She only went 70 yards and fell too. I'll never hunt without lighted nocks again (unless they're not legal).
Fair enough, but I'm tellin ya, all three deer I shot this year I knew exactly where I hit. It was like a laser entering their chest and there was no mistaking the lethality of each hit (it also helped that I watched all three fall within 50 yards of shot).
As for the camera, I do have a Wildview Action Cam that I can strap to my stabilizer. I just haven't done so yet... I also have a tree mount arm for my HD mini camcorder. Next year I'm filming one, and having the lighted nock will make that footage all the better. I can't wait!
I think there is a fine line to walk concerning their use. If it's early in the season and you're just starting your time in the timber, then you ought to be a sportsman and leave the lighted nocks at home. However, if it's down to the last few days of the season and you've got a left over tag to fill then I can see where one would want to make the most of every final minute.
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