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Latest Senate Hearing on Gun Control

Uploaded on January 30, 2013

I am an NRA member and Wayne did an outstanding job today along with Congresswomen Gabby and her husband defending our constitutional right to own and use firearms. Gabby's husband said they would never give up their guns. He said their guns were for target practice, hunting, protecting themselves, and their family . He said the problem was mental illness. They had another lady, who represented women against gun violence who did an outatanding job defending women owning AR type rifles for home defense. The only thing that I don't understand is why the NRA is so against making "Jo Blow" do a background check when he sells a firearm at a gun show. If I was a convicted felon that is where I would go to buy a firearm and I am sure everyone of them in the country knows this. My firearm dealer, who does probably 25 gun shows a year, says he is mad too because he buys his license, calls in all background checks and the guy next to him at the gun show sells guns all day long and does nothing but put the cash in his pocket. Am I missing something ?

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from ableskeever wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Say that the congress passes a law so that nobody can legally transfer ownership of any firearm except through a FFL dealer. Every inheritance, gift, and private transaction now requires a background check.

Would criminals still be able to obtain guns on the black market? Of course.

There are some gun owners who have committed no crime nor do they intend on it who fear their name on a list that includes the guns that they own. Of course, I don't think that the government will be able to track where firearms go unless they have homing beacons on them. We know this from Fast and Furious.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I know from personal experience that unless someone tells the government, you tell the government, or the government sees it they have no idea where, when or how firearms are exchanged. My father owns several firearms that he bought that no background check was done or even any papers were filed, now he is a police officer but he still has to file the same paper work that everyone else does, and the thing about those firearms- they were all bought LEGALLY. But I ask how is the average Joe supposed to do a background check before selling a gun to someone at a gun show? I have no problem with having a background check before buying (since I have nothing to hide) but unless those confidential records become public files Joe has no way to preform a check.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

It's interesting to note that the media makes it seem like she is advocating for and a big supporter of gun control. I wasn't able to watch the live testimony. The media (I watched CNN and NBC) is framing her as making a heroically tragic appeal for more gun control. Anyone see anything different anywhere else?

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I'm speaking about Gabby Giffords. What is her group, Americans for Sensible Solutions, advocating for? The media says its a gun control group.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Well the media isn't distorting anything. If you go to Gifford's website, Americans for Responsible Solutiions, she soliciting support to battle the NRA and the gun lobby so that Congress will implement more gun control.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I listened to all of the hearing after I posted my first post. Gabby's husband sounded good at first but it came out later that he wanted magazine bans and universal background checks. What I am asking is why can't we as regular citizens have some 800 numbers that anyone, you and me can call and give the information there and find out if someone is legal to own a firearm. If you are a convicted felon or if you are a mental case then I will find out and I won't sell you a gun. I'm not saying that I have to go through a FFL dealer I would just be able to find out if you are legal to own a firearm. It wouldn't cost me anything, it dosen't cost the dealer anything now to run a check. A lot of the hearing got side tracked by the anti-gun crowd wanting to talk 100 round drum magazines. It was obvious that the anti-gun crowd knew very little about firearms and how they work.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Sarge,
Where do you suppose an 800 number would get their information from?
As I understand it, a universal background check would draw their info from a database collected listing all felons, those with diagnosed mental issues, Domestic violence issues, etc.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Sarge you are indeed calling for a data base. I agree with you. A data base that only holds the names/ID of those not allowed to make the purchase not of those who currently own.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

It would be like the no fly list.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Hoski, that kind of list. When I stopped someone I ran them on NCIC to check if they were wanted, had a crimnal record, or had any outstanding warrants out for them. If you were legal to own a firearm you wouldn't be on the list. Don't we send people to Washington that have enough common sense to see that something like this would work and still wouldn't infringe on anyone's rights. We are already have this list for bad people , all we have to do is add the mentally deranged to the list. I think when our repersentitives get to Washington they can't see the forest for the trees and that is on both sides of the isle.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Bingo Sarge.
It really comes down to a question of organization.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

You two figure out how "patient/doctor" confidentiality begins to fall through the cracks yet?
Ever think about a person with a distinct trait of a "psychosis" and actually is not "incapable" of handling a firearm?
I actually know one! He runs a "Gun Shop"/"Pawn Shop" and has for years! Even the local cops consider him "looney"! But he has a FFL, and buys, sells and trades guns everyday!
We (the US!) don't need no stinking database!
Oh! You don't suppose they're already building one with the current background checks they do?
Nah! Not OUR Gummit! LOL!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

The Clash were an English punk rock band that formed in 1976 as part of the original wave of British punk...one of their hits was; "Paranoia may destroy ya".

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from coosabass2012 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Criminals will still find a way no matter what the system. Let's just leave it alone and work harder on the mental illness side.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I don't think leaving it alone will suffice, too many folks have this issue on their minds.
Along with greater efforts at keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally unstable people, I think closing the so called gun show loophole is beneficial.
Voluntarily accepting more in depth back ground checks would go along way at gaining the non gun owner's respect and acceptance.
We as firearm owners need to be projecting the reasonable persona, we need John Q. Public on our side.

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Why not have a gun show promoter have a NCIC terminal available for any person to check the background of a casual sale individual?
Check the persons background and not record the firearm details. I would be in favor of that. Problem solved.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
I don't think that'd work. How would anybodt discover if a certain firearm has been resold and resold and yet sold again until it finally ends up in the hands of a felon?
How would a law abiding gun owner report a stolen firearm?
"officer, it was a Colt Commander in .45 ACP".

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hoski, as a responsible gun owner I have a list of all firearms I own. I have written a detailed description of each firearm including; make, model, caliber, serial number, as well as a brief physical description. I keep one locked in my safe, as well as a copy in my safety deposit box. If one of my firearms happens to be stolen I will immediately turn it in to the local sheriffs department. I like jhjimbo's idea of the NCIC terminal available for use at gun shows.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Montana,
I like the idea too.
I too have recorded the serial numbers of all my firearms.
I also suspect that when a firearm turns up at a crime scene the rightful owner of said firearm had better have gotten it reported stolen long before any crime was committed with it.
I refuse to fall for the conspiracy theory that the big bad govt. wants to know where every specific firearm is across this nation as a prelude to confiscation...it simply will never happen.
Let me ask you this, if you're suspicious of the govt. knowing you have a firearm...just what do you suppose the big bad govt thinks when you buy a hunting license?

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

That is a good question Hoski, especially since every state I have bought a license in for the last decade has done it over a computer. If they hadn't figured it out they know I'm a gun owner now, just received my CCW. I'm not a fan of how they are picking on "assault weapons" as the big bad wolf of our world. You and I know that there is a huge difference between ARs and really any other semi-auto and their military counterparts, unfortunately the majority of the public does not. I also find it interesting that Chicago has such a high gun crime rate as they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. We, as stewards of our sport, need to work harder to show ourselves as gun owners, hunters, and outdoorsmen in a positive light.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Montana,
Bless you for your intelligence.
This is precisely the point I've been making over and over.
We have to educate those who don't understand the difference between look alikes and the real thing.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

There are alot of people that buy hunting license that hunt with bows and never pick up a firearm.

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge, that is true, however in my state you must have both a general license for the game you are going to hunt and an archery permit which in many instances is special draw.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Good point Sarge, hang your hat on that little factoid.
Next you'll think the big bad govt wants to track bows and arrows by archery permits sold.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hoski, I make a statement that there are people that buy a hunting license that bow hunt only and you take off to left field.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge,
I appreciate your statement that there are some who buy a hunting license that never intend to use a firearm.
I also think a majority of license purchasers do intend to use a firearm, and that simple fact would identify the purchaser of being a firearm owner.
It highlights how silly it is to think big brother would need a list to identify just who owns a firearm and who doesn't as a prelude to universal confiscation.
We really need to get away from this paranoid view of govt as some all powerful entity that rules over us peons.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge, P.S., Have you seen LaPierre's latest?
He reverts to the old standby of fear mongering saying all citizens need to arm themselves for protection from the coming apocalypse. Floods, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Marauding Latino gangs attacking America, and all manner of chaos. Reminds me of our recent fascination with TV shows like "Doomsday Preppers".
Almost sounds like he's hoping for America to fail so he can be proved right.
We as firearm owners don't need his grandstanding, he's making us all look like a bunch of paranoid crazies.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I watched him on the news this morning and he didn't say anything about that he said in the President's speech he didn't say anything about keeping kids safe he justs wants a vote on gun control , which was what I heard also. He just kept saying that gun control had to come up for a vote or I believe he actually said " so and so deserves a vote", and "so and so deserves a vote", and "so and so deserves and vote". I have heard that part of the speech several times and that is what I believe he said. I'm not into the of hording of everything like the "Doomsday Preppers" I have the usual fiearms around my house for home protection like I feel that most people on this site do .

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Am I a "dooms day prepper"? Hmmmm....yes and no. Yes, I have some things stuck back that I don't think will be available. No, I don't have a year's worth of foods stored in airtight barrels. I do have "some" grains stored and a grain mill.
An "apocalypse"? I'm quite certain there's one in the future!
Here's some oft repeated "history".
In recorded history, no "democratic" type society has survived over 200 years. America is now into year 234. History itself dictates the U.S. is in a downward spiral.
To foolishly sit back and pretend everything is just peachy is just stupid.
Too much of the Biblical "prophecy" has been fulfilled ti totally ignore the remainder
Forewarned is fore armed.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

BTW! One of the many factors leading to the fall of the Roman empire is said to have been the "effeminazation" of the male population!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge,
I asked if you had seen LaPierre’s piece…I didn’t ask for a re-hash of President Obama’s SOTU speech. A simple no would’ve sufficed. Here’s the highlights, (if you wish to call them that) I think it’s pure old fashioned fearmongering.

So anyway, LaPierre wrote an op-ed for the Daily Caller in which he says; “Latin American drug gangs have invaded every city of significant size in the United States”. “The president flagrantly defies the 2006 federal law ordering the construction of a secure border fence along the entire Mexican border. So the border today remains porous not only to people seeking jobs in the U.S., but to criminals whose jobs are murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping.” (even though border security has increased and illegal crossing is down)
“Ominously, the border also remains open to agents of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Numerous intelligence sources have confirmed that foreign terrorists have identified the southern U.S. border as their path of entry into the country.” (while conveniently neglecting to mention the intel sources by name)
“After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.”
“Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.” (even though President Obama has called for the hiring of more police…and the GOP is the party who says we need more austerity)
“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. “We, the American people, clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, and the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster.”

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Fear mongering? How about God's honest truth.

Again, think "realism", not "idealism"!

Again, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see!"

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from armedliberal wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sounds like as description of a Tea Party robot.

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from armedliberal wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sounds like someone up there is in the Roman closet.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

" think "realism", not "idealism"!
Says the guy who regularly predicts the fast approaching apocalypse.
Black helicopters are warming up...might be here tonight.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

With all this talk about "gun control" I haven't heard a politican yet say how they plan to take guns away from criminals, just from law abidng citizens.

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from Gary Devine wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hey Guys,
Not every gun owner hunts and buys a hunting license. Some people have guns for target shooting, some people have guns for protection, some people have guns for investment to sell later, when prices skyrocket, and some people have firearms because their gun collectors. The hunting license only exposes one group of gun owners who are hunters.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

For the first time, I heard some pundits talking about the real problem...that being treating mental illness.
Maybe there's hope yet.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Whyu does the Muslim Brogtherhood get free F-16's if the American citizens can't be trusted with modern sporting rifles ? Wake up America .

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I've got an idea Sarge!
Let's ask Mr. "I'll post what I want, when I want" Homaski!
Seems he feels he's got ALL the CORRECT answers!
Did he not post at one time he was here to educate us?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
Always with the half truths and innuendo...are you incapable of complete thought or do you just enjoy being made fool of?

As I'm pretty sure you're aware of, we have a long history of assisting the Egyptian military. Most of their higher commanders were trained here and are favorably influenced by more western secular thinking.
You should also think about why the Egyptian military hasn't stepped in to quell the civil unrest with Egypt's recently elected President. There's a reason for that.
Also, you're probably aware, (or should be by reason of common sense) that nobody we assist with military hardware get anything close to our best.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Perhaps it's time someone ask my stalker why he never seems capable of commenting on anything other than me.

Can anyone spell obsessed?

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Can anybody here spell, "I'm a genius, everybody else here is an idiot. I post what I want, when I want! I'm grown up and dry (?) behind the ears, but I whine like a two year old when you post what you want, when you want!"

Here's an idea "Hoski"!

How about treating other posters with some respect....or is that outside your "give as good as you get" realm?
Why can't you admit that the "crap" YOU post of the internet is no more reliable than anything anybody else posts?
FOX is as "reliable" a news source as ANY of the "alphabet" stations.

You lording it over everybody just how "high and mighty" your "union" is that's destroying some (had a Twinkie lately?) business and industry.

Nobody doubts you're not an idiot, but you're damn sure not the wealth of information you profess to be!

Other than a decent conver

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sation with 'freek about dogs, everything you post you're grinding on somebody about they haven't done "enough, haven't read what "you" posted or must listen to "FAUX"!

....and don't tell me you aren't smart enough to figure out the 1ojolsen/armedliberal "thing"!

I could really care less if F&S boots me, so feel free to whine, "Hoski"!

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

To all other posters.

If I've offended you inadvertently in the past, my sincerest apologies.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

shorts must be a little snug today.
get a life.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski in case you haven't checked lately the Muslim Brotherhood is in charge in Egypt. Maybe not the group you want to be in charge but the facts. And that is the truth and not a half truth. An F-16 with missles and bombs and guns is a formible weapon, maybe not as good as ours but still a very formible weapon and as good as there is in the middle East. You are trying to make it out like we gave them P-51's or something.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Let me ask you this Hoski, if I told you that you neighbor (Joe) was highly unstable and has been known to explode in fits of anger randomly, putting everyone in a 5 mile radius in danger would you want me to even give him a pencil much less highly capable weapons, the F-16 may have been retired several years ago but I can guarantee you that it is still one of the most capable warplanes around.
We also have had a long history of massacring American-Indians but you don't see us doing it anymore, for a reason...some practices just have to stop.
But to keep this from getting redundant, my statement had NOTHING about gun control in it, so to everyone don't even try to bring it up in relation to my post. Thank you.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uh-Oh, make that "Your" neighbor. :-)

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
I am very clear on who was recently elected in Egypt.
See, that's the problem, we go around the globe preaching about the rights of citizens to freely elect whomever they want...and as soon as they do and you don't care for who got elected folks like you get the bright idea to start meddling.
I noticed you didn't bother to address my point about how Egypt's professional Military are trained here and very receptive to western secular systems of governing. Also noticed you didn't bother to dispute my acknowledgement about how Egypt's military is doing next to nothing to control the continuing civil unrest against that very same Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President you're so quick to condemn.
Here's a thought, how about we butt our noses the hell out of their business? And if you're so worried about Egypt's F-16's going against Israel, you are free to donate to Israel who I'm sure will be more than happy to get some more of our military hardware.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Country Boy,
Please see above post in response to Sarge.

Here's another little tid bit I've touched on before but applies here as well.
We seem to have an inherent problem with our foreign policy as a whole. Every 4 or 8 years our Administrations change and so to our foreign policy. Time after time we get involved in some country trying to influence it towards our way of governance, we make promises of aid, buildings, military hardware, education, etc. Then 4 years later we elect somebody else who scraps all those promises...and you know what? Folks tend to remember these things.
We've been providing aid to Egypt for over 40 years. We've been exchanging hardware and training their military professionals in exchange for their neutrality towards Israel. We've been influencing their professional military for a couple generations now. So how do you think they'd react to a sudden cold shoulder?

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Didn't we train Iraqui troops when they were fighting Iran and train and assist Afgan troops when they were fighting the Soviet Union ? That didn't get us much of anywhere did it ? We thought we had bought their allegience, we got fooled.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

wrong sarge, we did help with the Afghani mujahadeen, the northern alliance. We made lots of promises and provided weaponry so they could shoot down Soviet helicopters, and when the soviets left so did we.
Is it surprising they don't trust us now?

Same thing with Iraq-Iran. We pretty much "allowed" Saddam the run of the place because he was a good buffer against Iran.
Like I said, we have short term foreign policies.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

You have to have short term foreign policies when it comes to Rogue Nations. You often decide between the lesser of two evils. But what you should not do is show American weakness, and not even have the guts to call out who we are at war against. Not even have the guts to be transparent and tell the folks why the 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi. We are still seeing memos surface in regards to the facts.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

hey sayfu,
How come you're not fulfilling your earlier promise that if Obama won re-election you'd finish every single post of your with:

Barak Obama is the light of sayfu's life and the giver of truth?

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I'm for background checks, Mr. President let's start with yours.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

Sarge, I wonder if my friends on the police force around here would be willing to do an NCIC/GCIC on him, worth a shot!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

The Clash were an English punk rock band that formed in 1976 as part of the original wave of British punk...one of their hits was; "Paranoia may destroy ya".

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hoski, as a responsible gun owner I have a list of all firearms I own. I have written a detailed description of each firearm including; make, model, caliber, serial number, as well as a brief physical description. I keep one locked in my safe, as well as a copy in my safety deposit box. If one of my firearms happens to be stolen I will immediately turn it in to the local sheriffs department. I like jhjimbo's idea of the NCIC terminal available for use at gun shows.

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

That is a good question Hoski, especially since every state I have bought a license in for the last decade has done it over a computer. If they hadn't figured it out they know I'm a gun owner now, just received my CCW. I'm not a fan of how they are picking on "assault weapons" as the big bad wolf of our world. You and I know that there is a huge difference between ARs and really any other semi-auto and their military counterparts, unfortunately the majority of the public does not. I also find it interesting that Chicago has such a high gun crime rate as they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. We, as stewards of our sport, need to work harder to show ourselves as gun owners, hunters, and outdoorsmen in a positive light.

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from armedliberal wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sounds like as description of a Tea Party robot.

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from armedliberal wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sounds like someone up there is in the Roman closet.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

You two figure out how "patient/doctor" confidentiality begins to fall through the cracks yet?
Ever think about a person with a distinct trait of a "psychosis" and actually is not "incapable" of handling a firearm?
I actually know one! He runs a "Gun Shop"/"Pawn Shop" and has for years! Even the local cops consider him "looney"! But he has a FFL, and buys, sells and trades guns everyday!
We (the US!) don't need no stinking database!
Oh! You don't suppose they're already building one with the current background checks they do?
Nah! Not OUR Gummit! LOL!

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Am I a "dooms day prepper"? Hmmmm....yes and no. Yes, I have some things stuck back that I don't think will be available. No, I don't have a year's worth of foods stored in airtight barrels. I do have "some" grains stored and a grain mill.
An "apocalypse"? I'm quite certain there's one in the future!
Here's some oft repeated "history".
In recorded history, no "democratic" type society has survived over 200 years. America is now into year 234. History itself dictates the U.S. is in a downward spiral.
To foolishly sit back and pretend everything is just peachy is just stupid.
Too much of the Biblical "prophecy" has been fulfilled ti totally ignore the remainder
Forewarned is fore armed.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

BTW! One of the many factors leading to the fall of the Roman empire is said to have been the "effeminazation" of the male population!

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Fear mongering? How about God's honest truth.

Again, think "realism", not "idealism"!

Again, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see!"

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I've got an idea Sarge!
Let's ask Mr. "I'll post what I want, when I want" Homaski!
Seems he feels he's got ALL the CORRECT answers!
Did he not post at one time he was here to educate us?

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Can anybody here spell, "I'm a genius, everybody else here is an idiot. I post what I want, when I want! I'm grown up and dry (?) behind the ears, but I whine like a two year old when you post what you want, when you want!"

Here's an idea "Hoski"!

How about treating other posters with some respect....or is that outside your "give as good as you get" realm?
Why can't you admit that the "crap" YOU post of the internet is no more reliable than anything anybody else posts?
FOX is as "reliable" a news source as ANY of the "alphabet" stations.

You lording it over everybody just how "high and mighty" your "union" is that's destroying some (had a Twinkie lately?) business and industry.

Nobody doubts you're not an idiot, but you're damn sure not the wealth of information you profess to be!

Other than a decent conver

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sation with 'freek about dogs, everything you post you're grinding on somebody about they haven't done "enough, haven't read what "you" posted or must listen to "FAUX"!

....and don't tell me you aren't smart enough to figure out the 1ojolsen/armedliberal "thing"!

I could really care less if F&S boots me, so feel free to whine, "Hoski"!

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

To all other posters.

If I've offended you inadvertently in the past, my sincerest apologies.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Sarge,
Where do you suppose an 800 number would get their information from?
As I understand it, a universal background check would draw their info from a database collected listing all felons, those with diagnosed mental issues, Domestic violence issues, etc.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Bingo Sarge.
It really comes down to a question of organization.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I don't think leaving it alone will suffice, too many folks have this issue on their minds.
Along with greater efforts at keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally unstable people, I think closing the so called gun show loophole is beneficial.
Voluntarily accepting more in depth back ground checks would go along way at gaining the non gun owner's respect and acceptance.
We as firearm owners need to be projecting the reasonable persona, we need John Q. Public on our side.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
I don't think that'd work. How would anybodt discover if a certain firearm has been resold and resold and yet sold again until it finally ends up in the hands of a felon?
How would a law abiding gun owner report a stolen firearm?
"officer, it was a Colt Commander in .45 ACP".

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Montana,
I like the idea too.
I too have recorded the serial numbers of all my firearms.
I also suspect that when a firearm turns up at a crime scene the rightful owner of said firearm had better have gotten it reported stolen long before any crime was committed with it.
I refuse to fall for the conspiracy theory that the big bad govt. wants to know where every specific firearm is across this nation as a prelude to confiscation...it simply will never happen.
Let me ask you this, if you're suspicious of the govt. knowing you have a firearm...just what do you suppose the big bad govt thinks when you buy a hunting license?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Montana,
Bless you for your intelligence.
This is precisely the point I've been making over and over.
We have to educate those who don't understand the difference between look alikes and the real thing.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Good point Sarge, hang your hat on that little factoid.
Next you'll think the big bad govt wants to track bows and arrows by archery permits sold.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge,
I appreciate your statement that there are some who buy a hunting license that never intend to use a firearm.
I also think a majority of license purchasers do intend to use a firearm, and that simple fact would identify the purchaser of being a firearm owner.
It highlights how silly it is to think big brother would need a list to identify just who owns a firearm and who doesn't as a prelude to universal confiscation.
We really need to get away from this paranoid view of govt as some all powerful entity that rules over us peons.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge, P.S., Have you seen LaPierre's latest?
He reverts to the old standby of fear mongering saying all citizens need to arm themselves for protection from the coming apocalypse. Floods, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Marauding Latino gangs attacking America, and all manner of chaos. Reminds me of our recent fascination with TV shows like "Doomsday Preppers".
Almost sounds like he's hoping for America to fail so he can be proved right.
We as firearm owners don't need his grandstanding, he's making us all look like a bunch of paranoid crazies.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge,
I asked if you had seen LaPierre’s piece…I didn’t ask for a re-hash of President Obama’s SOTU speech. A simple no would’ve sufficed. Here’s the highlights, (if you wish to call them that) I think it’s pure old fashioned fearmongering.

So anyway, LaPierre wrote an op-ed for the Daily Caller in which he says; “Latin American drug gangs have invaded every city of significant size in the United States”. “The president flagrantly defies the 2006 federal law ordering the construction of a secure border fence along the entire Mexican border. So the border today remains porous not only to people seeking jobs in the U.S., but to criminals whose jobs are murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping.” (even though border security has increased and illegal crossing is down)
“Ominously, the border also remains open to agents of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Numerous intelligence sources have confirmed that foreign terrorists have identified the southern U.S. border as their path of entry into the country.” (while conveniently neglecting to mention the intel sources by name)
“After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.”
“Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.” (even though President Obama has called for the hiring of more police…and the GOP is the party who says we need more austerity)
“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. “We, the American people, clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, and the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster.”

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

" think "realism", not "idealism"!
Says the guy who regularly predicts the fast approaching apocalypse.
Black helicopters are warming up...might be here tonight.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

For the first time, I heard some pundits talking about the real problem...that being treating mental illness.
Maybe there's hope yet.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
Always with the half truths and innuendo...are you incapable of complete thought or do you just enjoy being made fool of?

As I'm pretty sure you're aware of, we have a long history of assisting the Egyptian military. Most of their higher commanders were trained here and are favorably influenced by more western secular thinking.
You should also think about why the Egyptian military hasn't stepped in to quell the civil unrest with Egypt's recently elected President. There's a reason for that.
Also, you're probably aware, (or should be by reason of common sense) that nobody we assist with military hardware get anything close to our best.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Perhaps it's time someone ask my stalker why he never seems capable of commenting on anything other than me.

Can anyone spell obsessed?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

shorts must be a little snug today.
get a life.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
I am very clear on who was recently elected in Egypt.
See, that's the problem, we go around the globe preaching about the rights of citizens to freely elect whomever they want...and as soon as they do and you don't care for who got elected folks like you get the bright idea to start meddling.
I noticed you didn't bother to address my point about how Egypt's professional Military are trained here and very receptive to western secular systems of governing. Also noticed you didn't bother to dispute my acknowledgement about how Egypt's military is doing next to nothing to control the continuing civil unrest against that very same Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President you're so quick to condemn.
Here's a thought, how about we butt our noses the hell out of their business? And if you're so worried about Egypt's F-16's going against Israel, you are free to donate to Israel who I'm sure will be more than happy to get some more of our military hardware.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Country Boy,
Please see above post in response to Sarge.

Here's another little tid bit I've touched on before but applies here as well.
We seem to have an inherent problem with our foreign policy as a whole. Every 4 or 8 years our Administrations change and so to our foreign policy. Time after time we get involved in some country trying to influence it towards our way of governance, we make promises of aid, buildings, military hardware, education, etc. Then 4 years later we elect somebody else who scraps all those promises...and you know what? Folks tend to remember these things.
We've been providing aid to Egypt for over 40 years. We've been exchanging hardware and training their military professionals in exchange for their neutrality towards Israel. We've been influencing their professional military for a couple generations now. So how do you think they'd react to a sudden cold shoulder?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

wrong sarge, we did help with the Afghani mujahadeen, the northern alliance. We made lots of promises and provided weaponry so they could shoot down Soviet helicopters, and when the soviets left so did we.
Is it surprising they don't trust us now?

Same thing with Iraq-Iran. We pretty much "allowed" Saddam the run of the place because he was a good buffer against Iran.
Like I said, we have short term foreign policies.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

hey sayfu,
How come you're not fulfilling your earlier promise that if Obama won re-election you'd finish every single post of your with:

Barak Obama is the light of sayfu's life and the giver of truth?

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from ableskeever wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Say that the congress passes a law so that nobody can legally transfer ownership of any firearm except through a FFL dealer. Every inheritance, gift, and private transaction now requires a background check.

Would criminals still be able to obtain guns on the black market? Of course.

There are some gun owners who have committed no crime nor do they intend on it who fear their name on a list that includes the guns that they own. Of course, I don't think that the government will be able to track where firearms go unless they have homing beacons on them. We know this from Fast and Furious.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I listened to all of the hearing after I posted my first post. Gabby's husband sounded good at first but it came out later that he wanted magazine bans and universal background checks. What I am asking is why can't we as regular citizens have some 800 numbers that anyone, you and me can call and give the information there and find out if someone is legal to own a firearm. If you are a convicted felon or if you are a mental case then I will find out and I won't sell you a gun. I'm not saying that I have to go through a FFL dealer I would just be able to find out if you are legal to own a firearm. It wouldn't cost me anything, it dosen't cost the dealer anything now to run a check. A lot of the hearing got side tracked by the anti-gun crowd wanting to talk 100 round drum magazines. It was obvious that the anti-gun crowd knew very little about firearms and how they work.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Hoski, that kind of list. When I stopped someone I ran them on NCIC to check if they were wanted, had a crimnal record, or had any outstanding warrants out for them. If you were legal to own a firearm you wouldn't be on the list. Don't we send people to Washington that have enough common sense to see that something like this would work and still wouldn't infringe on anyone's rights. We are already have this list for bad people , all we have to do is add the mentally deranged to the list. I think when our repersentitives get to Washington they can't see the forest for the trees and that is on both sides of the isle.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

There are alot of people that buy hunting license that hunt with bows and never pick up a firearm.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hoski, I make a statement that there are people that buy a hunting license that bow hunt only and you take off to left field.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I watched him on the news this morning and he didn't say anything about that he said in the President's speech he didn't say anything about keeping kids safe he justs wants a vote on gun control , which was what I heard also. He just kept saying that gun control had to come up for a vote or I believe he actually said " so and so deserves a vote", and "so and so deserves a vote", and "so and so deserves and vote". I have heard that part of the speech several times and that is what I believe he said. I'm not into the of hording of everything like the "Doomsday Preppers" I have the usual fiearms around my house for home protection like I feel that most people on this site do .

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

With all this talk about "gun control" I haven't heard a politican yet say how they plan to take guns away from criminals, just from law abidng citizens.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Whyu does the Muslim Brogtherhood get free F-16's if the American citizens can't be trusted with modern sporting rifles ? Wake up America .

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski in case you haven't checked lately the Muslim Brotherhood is in charge in Egypt. Maybe not the group you want to be in charge but the facts. And that is the truth and not a half truth. An F-16 with missles and bombs and guns is a formible weapon, maybe not as good as ours but still a very formible weapon and as good as there is in the middle East. You are trying to make it out like we gave them P-51's or something.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Didn't we train Iraqui troops when they were fighting Iran and train and assist Afgan troops when they were fighting the Soviet Union ? That didn't get us much of anywhere did it ? We thought we had bought their allegience, we got fooled.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I'm for background checks, Mr. President let's start with yours.

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Why not have a gun show promoter have a NCIC terminal available for any person to check the background of a casual sale individual?
Check the persons background and not record the firearm details. I would be in favor of that. Problem solved.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

It's interesting to note that the media makes it seem like she is advocating for and a big supporter of gun control. I wasn't able to watch the live testimony. The media (I watched CNN and NBC) is framing her as making a heroically tragic appeal for more gun control. Anyone see anything different anywhere else?

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I'm speaking about Gabby Giffords. What is her group, Americans for Sensible Solutions, advocating for? The media says its a gun control group.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Well the media isn't distorting anything. If you go to Gifford's website, Americans for Responsible Solutiions, she soliciting support to battle the NRA and the gun lobby so that Congress will implement more gun control.

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from Montana wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarge, that is true, however in my state you must have both a general license for the game you are going to hunt and an archery permit which in many instances is special draw.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

I know from personal experience that unless someone tells the government, you tell the government, or the government sees it they have no idea where, when or how firearms are exchanged. My father owns several firearms that he bought that no background check was done or even any papers were filed, now he is a police officer but he still has to file the same paper work that everyone else does, and the thing about those firearms- they were all bought LEGALLY. But I ask how is the average Joe supposed to do a background check before selling a gun to someone at a gun show? I have no problem with having a background check before buying (since I have nothing to hide) but unless those confidential records become public files Joe has no way to preform a check.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Let me ask you this Hoski, if I told you that you neighbor (Joe) was highly unstable and has been known to explode in fits of anger randomly, putting everyone in a 5 mile radius in danger would you want me to even give him a pencil much less highly capable weapons, the F-16 may have been retired several years ago but I can guarantee you that it is still one of the most capable warplanes around.
We also have had a long history of massacring American-Indians but you don't see us doing it anymore, for a reason...some practices just have to stop.
But to keep this from getting redundant, my statement had NOTHING about gun control in it, so to everyone don't even try to bring it up in relation to my post. Thank you.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uh-Oh, make that "Your" neighbor. :-)

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

Sarge, I wonder if my friends on the police force around here would be willing to do an NCIC/GCIC on him, worth a shot!

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

You have to have short term foreign policies when it comes to Rogue Nations. You often decide between the lesser of two evils. But what you should not do is show American weakness, and not even have the guts to call out who we are at war against. Not even have the guts to be transparent and tell the folks why the 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi. We are still seeing memos surface in regards to the facts.

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from Gary Devine wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hey Guys,
Not every gun owner hunts and buys a hunting license. Some people have guns for target shooting, some people have guns for protection, some people have guns for investment to sell later, when prices skyrocket, and some people have firearms because their gun collectors. The hunting license only exposes one group of gun owners who are hunters.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

Sarge you are indeed calling for a data base. I agree with you. A data base that only holds the names/ID of those not allowed to make the purchase not of those who currently own.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 11 weeks ago

It would be like the no fly list.

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from coosabass2012 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Criminals will still find a way no matter what the system. Let's just leave it alone and work harder on the mental illness side.

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