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Hoski, having trouble facing the truth that you are backing the worst president in history?
Here's a video with additional comments about President Obama's economic results:
No-Spin State of the Union:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1412429186001/no-spin-state-of-the-union/?pla...
Pig...hoski signed a contract a long time ago when he first began paying union dues....through thin, and thinner, he is a lifetime committed liberal.
Hoski has learned to shove facts out of the way like they weren't even there.
PigHunter,
You preferenced our current and future discussions of most all things where figures are concerned as being cooked, you say your numbers are fact, and I say mine are...kinda pointless to go much further.
You have chosen to accept everything Fox broadcasts as gospel, I have chosen to accept the fact that Fox has openly declared themselves to be a GOP broadcasting entity.
BTW, I watched your ORiely link for about 20 seconds...I noticed that his commentary occurred 1 hour before the President's SOTU.
Pretty convenient.
It is obvious you are having trouble in our dialog when you start trying to define me with words such as 'most' and 'everything'. It shows that you have trouble accepting information that doesn't fit with your world view. That's ok, I've dealt with an ex-wife that was like that and understand somewhat where you are coming from. Truth is sometimes hard to face and perhaps you need to ease into it.
In other posts I referenced figures from government sites such as the Bureau Of Labor Statistics (for employment data), the Congressional Budget Office (for last year's accounting of the House Budget), and the White House (for accounting of the President's budget and for historic budget data). Looking at my past posts would clearly show that Fox News is not my only source of data.
The real numbers for the state of the union
http://www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/state-of-the-union-enhanced-graphic...
The unemployment rate in the United States fell to 8.5 percent in December of 2011, the lowest since February 2009. That was after a seasonally adjusted high of 10% in October of 2009. The rate was 7.8% when Pres. Obama was inaugurated, so between then and now the rate has changed 0.7 percentage points. Pres G W Bush was 1st inaugurated with an unemployment rate of 4.2% and left with the rate at 7.8% and the economy was spiralling out of control. Obama's 0.7 point change looks pretty good when compared to W's 3.6 percentage point change to the negative. Give Obama credit for turning this thing around.
Most of the Rise in Employment in Nov-Dec, is already melting away in Lay offs by the Retail industries, we are back where we were before.
"...we are back where we were before." Moishe says, gleefully hoping unempl. negative numbers will continue for another 10 months or longer. "Who cares" he said "As long as I can keep buying gold."
Here's more proof that Obama is the worst president ever...
New-home purchases fall, 2011 worst ever for sales (From the Associated Press)
http://news.yahoo.com/home-purchases-fall-2011-worst-ever-sales-15251587...
"Fewer Americans bought new homes in December. The decline made 2011 the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back nearly half a century.
"The Commerce Department said Thursday new-home sales fell 2.2 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual pace of 307,000. The pace is less than half the 700,000 that economists say must be sold in a healthy economy.
"About 302,000 new homes were sold last year. That's less than the 323,000 sold in 2010, making last year's sales the worst on records dating back to 1963. And it coincides with a report last week that said 2011 was the weakest year for single-family home construction on record.
PigHunter,
I am constantly amazed by your label as the worst President ever and then trotting out some statistic as proof.
You have yet to dispute the fact that this nation's economy was on the lip of the crapper when Obama was handed the keys.
You clearly acknowledge a highly dysfunctional Congress and yet it magically morphs into Obama's fault.
You and I are well aware that Presidents don't/can't "order" things better. We are both likewise aware of the Senate minority leader's oft repeated mantra concerning his priorities, and our current Squeaker of the House's declaration on national television that compromise isn't a part of his character.
Now if you'd care to discuss the housing issue I'd be glad to oblige. Does it interest you to know that all 50 State Attorneys General have put aside their political affiliation to band together to investigate and prosecute the parties involved with the housing debacle? Would it interest you to know that Bank of America (along with others) have recently offered to settle a minute portion of the ongoing investigation in return for immunity. Does it interest you that also recently officials have rejected BoA's puny offer? I'd say stay tuned...we may yet see some perp walks.
Now, concerning housing sales, does it surprize you that with nearly 1 in 4 mortgages under water that they may be a little difficult to move?
How in the world can you blame Obama for the housing market?
It's the banks' and other financial institutions' fault for issuing sub-prime mortgages. They would issue these loans knowing full well that they wouldn't be able to make payments. With everyone being able to get loans a few years ago, everyone bought houses with the hope of selling them a year or two later to make $50K when they sell the place.
Of course the number of homes being sold would fall when the banks were forced to comply to stricter guidelines making it harder for people to get mortgages, and given the fact that so many people bought houses a few years ago.
Looks like I touched a nerve with someone (I suspect Moishie) but whoever it was couldn't dispute it. lol
A growing economy is the result of good leadership. Seems we have a lack of both.
Another one of Obama's energy cabinet loans to a green company goes belly up. The electric battery company ENER1 announced it is going bankrupt. That is okay we have plenty of money to give away.
Dan, I have bought gold for more than 50 years one ounce a month, I have spent very little of it. If all you whiners had don the same
you would be pretty well off.
And, you prove my point.
Geez Jere,
An ounce per month for 50 years!?!
You must be a gazillionaire.
See? I'm not envious, Congratulations, now pay your taxes.
Not quite and I am not selling so it's tax neutral, my son is drooling over his expectation of getting some of it , but he won't get much I have a plan to leave most of it to someone else.
PB nothing you said bothered me if it had you would have heard from me.
Dow jones when Obama took over 7949
Dow Jones today 12,660
Yep, Most here just can't/won't accept the fact the economy is indeed improving, as in stark contrast to when Obama took the helm.
I think I read where the market had gained 60% since his inauguration.
Jere, you impress as being pretty much on the ball most of the time, I suspect you've looked into estate planning...as in avoiding probate?
Rat, you know full well that the Dow dropped throughout 2008 and has just now recovered to the May 2008 level. It's still short of the 2007 high which was above 14k.
Real GDP increased 1.7 percent in 2011 (that is, from the 2010 annual level to the 2011 annual level), compared with an increase of 3.0 percent in 2010.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm
Disposable Personal Income has remained flat since Obama became President. However, Personal Savings as a percentage of disposal income has dropped from 5.7% to 3.7%
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1
"A good economy is a result of good leadership" That helps to direct congress in the right direction, but it is all about policy. Good policy that allows the market to compete, expand, create wealth in this country is they big key. Right now we are being crushed with socialist regulation, and taxation. You prevent the Keystone pipeline, and what that would create, but instead you create Solyndra that is tax payer funded rather than private funded, and now ENER 1 ? You force GM to create the Chevy Volt? You believe Obama when he makes the trite statement to cover up the wrong direction he, and the left have taken by saying, "all businesses don't succeed, some fail."
http://rpc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PolicyPapers&ContentRecord_id=8...
He's making it worse. Since his inauguration:
- The number of Unemployed Americans is up by 1.1 million
- The unemployment rate is up 9%
- Gas prices are up 83%
- The Federal debt is up 43%
- The debt per person is up $13,963
- The Misery Index is up 47%
- College tuition is up 25%
- Worker Health Insurance Costs is up 23%
- Food Stamp recipients are up 45%
- The number of Americans in Poverty is up 6.4 million
- Home values have dropped 13%
I don't know how to put this Pig Hunter but I'm just not 100% sure that the Republican Policy Committee is the most unbiased source. Without going to the specifics of the numbers I'd say there are more believable places to look. I mean they did spend a trillion on a fake war right? Remember tax breaks would make jobs and balance the books?
I'm reluctant to say this but the Republicans just don't have the best track record with thing economic (and don't trot out Sayfu's 101 please) Two great depressions, do we really have to wait for strike #3?
Rat..
Start with a lie, then build on it? lol! No fake war. Libs voted for it, and DEMANDED it in their speeches. And yes, hindsight tells us tax breaks do create robust economies, and lots of jobs...called expansion. Want the books balanced cutback on SPENDING not spend the additional revenue you receive from the cuts! End Bush tax cuts, and this economy tanks further. And if Obama is lucky enough to have the Supreme Court repeal ObamaCare...a huuuuuuge tax on business, then the economy might recover enough for him to get re-elected. But it will have to happen very soon.
Don't know why someone would ding ol' Moishe for his views on where to leave his shiny stuff upon his departure, (not too soon I hope) but I negated at least one of em.
I'm quite sure in this country one is permitted to bequeath to whomever one wishes.
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And, you prove my point.
Not quite and I am not selling so it's tax neutral, my son is drooling over his expectation of getting some of it , but he won't get much I have a plan to leave most of it to someone else.
Dow jones when Obama took over 7949
Dow Jones today 12,660
Looks like I touched a nerve with someone (I suspect Moishie) but whoever it was couldn't dispute it. lol
Yep, Most here just can't/won't accept the fact the economy is indeed improving, as in stark contrast to when Obama took the helm.
I think I read where the market had gained 60% since his inauguration.
Don't know why someone would ding ol' Moishe for his views on where to leave his shiny stuff upon his departure, (not too soon I hope) but I negated at least one of em.
I'm quite sure in this country one is permitted to bequeath to whomever one wishes.
The unemployment rate in the United States fell to 8.5 percent in December of 2011, the lowest since February 2009. That was after a seasonally adjusted high of 10% in October of 2009. The rate was 7.8% when Pres. Obama was inaugurated, so between then and now the rate has changed 0.7 percentage points. Pres G W Bush was 1st inaugurated with an unemployment rate of 4.2% and left with the rate at 7.8% and the economy was spiralling out of control. Obama's 0.7 point change looks pretty good when compared to W's 3.6 percentage point change to the negative. Give Obama credit for turning this thing around.
"...we are back where we were before." Moishe says, gleefully hoping unempl. negative numbers will continue for another 10 months or longer. "Who cares" he said "As long as I can keep buying gold."
I don't know how to put this Pig Hunter but I'm just not 100% sure that the Republican Policy Committee is the most unbiased source. Without going to the specifics of the numbers I'd say there are more believable places to look. I mean they did spend a trillion on a fake war right? Remember tax breaks would make jobs and balance the books?
I'm reluctant to say this but the Republicans just don't have the best track record with thing economic (and don't trot out Sayfu's 101 please) Two great depressions, do we really have to wait for strike #3?
How in the world can you blame Obama for the housing market?
It's the banks' and other financial institutions' fault for issuing sub-prime mortgages. They would issue these loans knowing full well that they wouldn't be able to make payments. With everyone being able to get loans a few years ago, everyone bought houses with the hope of selling them a year or two later to make $50K when they sell the place.
Of course the number of homes being sold would fall when the banks were forced to comply to stricter guidelines making it harder for people to get mortgages, and given the fact that so many people bought houses a few years ago.
Here's a video with additional comments about President Obama's economic results:
No-Spin State of the Union:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1412429186001/no-spin-state-of-the-union/?pla...
Here's more proof that Obama is the worst president ever...
New-home purchases fall, 2011 worst ever for sales (From the Associated Press)
http://news.yahoo.com/home-purchases-fall-2011-worst-ever-sales-15251587...
"Fewer Americans bought new homes in December. The decline made 2011 the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back nearly half a century.
"The Commerce Department said Thursday new-home sales fell 2.2 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual pace of 307,000. The pace is less than half the 700,000 that economists say must be sold in a healthy economy.
"About 302,000 new homes were sold last year. That's less than the 323,000 sold in 2010, making last year's sales the worst on records dating back to 1963. And it coincides with a report last week that said 2011 was the weakest year for single-family home construction on record.
Most of the Rise in Employment in Nov-Dec, is already melting away in Lay offs by the Retail industries, we are back where we were before.
Dan, I have bought gold for more than 50 years one ounce a month, I have spent very little of it. If all you whiners had don the same
you would be pretty well off.
PB nothing you said bothered me if it had you would have heard from me.
PigHunter,
You preferenced our current and future discussions of most all things where figures are concerned as being cooked, you say your numbers are fact, and I say mine are...kinda pointless to go much further.
You have chosen to accept everything Fox broadcasts as gospel, I have chosen to accept the fact that Fox has openly declared themselves to be a GOP broadcasting entity.
BTW, I watched your ORiely link for about 20 seconds...I noticed that his commentary occurred 1 hour before the President's SOTU.
Pretty convenient.
Geez Jere,
An ounce per month for 50 years!?!
You must be a gazillionaire.
See? I'm not envious, Congratulations, now pay your taxes.
Jere, you impress as being pretty much on the ball most of the time, I suspect you've looked into estate planning...as in avoiding probate?
Another one of Obama's energy cabinet loans to a green company goes belly up. The electric battery company ENER1 announced it is going bankrupt. That is okay we have plenty of money to give away.
Pig...hoski signed a contract a long time ago when he first began paying union dues....through thin, and thinner, he is a lifetime committed liberal.
Hoski has learned to shove facts out of the way like they weren't even there.
Rat..
Start with a lie, then build on it? lol! No fake war. Libs voted for it, and DEMANDED it in their speeches. And yes, hindsight tells us tax breaks do create robust economies, and lots of jobs...called expansion. Want the books balanced cutback on SPENDING not spend the additional revenue you receive from the cuts! End Bush tax cuts, and this economy tanks further. And if Obama is lucky enough to have the Supreme Court repeal ObamaCare...a huuuuuuge tax on business, then the economy might recover enough for him to get re-elected. But it will have to happen very soon.
The real numbers for the state of the union
http://www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/state-of-the-union-enhanced-graphic...
Hoski, having trouble facing the truth that you are backing the worst president in history?
It is obvious you are having trouble in our dialog when you start trying to define me with words such as 'most' and 'everything'. It shows that you have trouble accepting information that doesn't fit with your world view. That's ok, I've dealt with an ex-wife that was like that and understand somewhat where you are coming from. Truth is sometimes hard to face and perhaps you need to ease into it.
In other posts I referenced figures from government sites such as the Bureau Of Labor Statistics (for employment data), the Congressional Budget Office (for last year's accounting of the House Budget), and the White House (for accounting of the President's budget and for historic budget data). Looking at my past posts would clearly show that Fox News is not my only source of data.
A growing economy is the result of good leadership. Seems we have a lack of both.
Rat, you know full well that the Dow dropped throughout 2008 and has just now recovered to the May 2008 level. It's still short of the 2007 high which was above 14k.
Real GDP increased 1.7 percent in 2011 (that is, from the 2010 annual level to the 2011 annual level), compared with an increase of 3.0 percent in 2010.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm
Disposable Personal Income has remained flat since Obama became President. However, Personal Savings as a percentage of disposal income has dropped from 5.7% to 3.7%
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1
Cooked
http://rpc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PolicyPapers&ContentRecord_id=8...
He's making it worse. Since his inauguration:
- The number of Unemployed Americans is up by 1.1 million
- The unemployment rate is up 9%
- Gas prices are up 83%
- The Federal debt is up 43%
- The debt per person is up $13,963
- The Misery Index is up 47%
- College tuition is up 25%
- Worker Health Insurance Costs is up 23%
- Food Stamp recipients are up 45%
- The number of Americans in Poverty is up 6.4 million
- Home values have dropped 13%
PigHunter,
I am constantly amazed by your label as the worst President ever and then trotting out some statistic as proof.
You have yet to dispute the fact that this nation's economy was on the lip of the crapper when Obama was handed the keys.
You clearly acknowledge a highly dysfunctional Congress and yet it magically morphs into Obama's fault.
You and I are well aware that Presidents don't/can't "order" things better. We are both likewise aware of the Senate minority leader's oft repeated mantra concerning his priorities, and our current Squeaker of the House's declaration on national television that compromise isn't a part of his character.
Now if you'd care to discuss the housing issue I'd be glad to oblige. Does it interest you to know that all 50 State Attorneys General have put aside their political affiliation to band together to investigate and prosecute the parties involved with the housing debacle? Would it interest you to know that Bank of America (along with others) have recently offered to settle a minute portion of the ongoing investigation in return for immunity. Does it interest you that also recently officials have rejected BoA's puny offer? I'd say stay tuned...we may yet see some perp walks.
Now, concerning housing sales, does it surprize you that with nearly 1 in 4 mortgages under water that they may be a little difficult to move?
"A good economy is a result of good leadership" That helps to direct congress in the right direction, but it is all about policy. Good policy that allows the market to compete, expand, create wealth in this country is they big key. Right now we are being crushed with socialist regulation, and taxation. You prevent the Keystone pipeline, and what that would create, but instead you create Solyndra that is tax payer funded rather than private funded, and now ENER 1 ? You force GM to create the Chevy Volt? You believe Obama when he makes the trite statement to cover up the wrong direction he, and the left have taken by saying, "all businesses don't succeed, some fail."
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